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Title: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: babylicketysplit on March 20, 2012, 05:02:58 PM
 :cry:   Im kind of starting to get jealous and frustrated that all the cool custom clothes and even the stuff at welovefine.com  thats licensed for womens clothes is pidly in comparison to the amount of mens stuff available.  i love a lot of the t shirt designs but DUH, im a freaking woman   i dont wanna wear dudes t shirts all the time, i like nice cami's, tanks and womens shape tees.  and there are NO tanks or cami tops.  just one generic womens crew tee style.  and the hoodies available are just generic.     


ugH!  starting to feel like a jerk, but im getting upset that i find a design i want to purchase only to realise its only available in mens style.   :huh:    whats the deal?!!!!   i love the bronies, but is there any reason why there are like 4 pages of womens shirts on the WLF site in comparison to the 40 some pages of guys choices...   :jealous: :throw:       


side question  anyone know of any custom mlp fim womens cami tank creators?   i would love to get some cause thats what i primarily wear  :lookround:
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Chi on March 20, 2012, 05:10:46 PM
I think individual sellers on sites like spreadshirt, zazzle or redbubble sometimes offer designs on tanktops.
But I agree, I'd love to see WLF make more shirts for women. Maybe some nice fitted v-neck shirts. Men's small shirts fit me okay, but they obviously fit a little funny looking at the same time since they're not designed to be worn by someone with the figure of a woman. :/
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Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: babylicketysplit on March 20, 2012, 05:18:08 PM
yes like those!!!  god anything but just the boxy mens shape tees.      and i love that v neck style.   come on wlf  get with the program here!!!!   lol




and man even on wlf"s site   people i guess can make comments on the t shirts. im really super irritated after coming across the comments. honestly   self entitled males need to stfu   becuase there were some rude comments on a lot of the womens shirts like "why even bother marketing these to women?"   and stupid stuff like that.  what the heck knuckle draggers, u know that ponys are usualy mainly marketed at girls right LMAO   :blink: :shocked:   
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: gabumon on March 20, 2012, 05:18:45 PM
my wife found a way to stitch up a mans t shirt along the side seams so it had a more "shapely" fit.  would that help?
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Chi on March 20, 2012, 05:20:53 PM
Stiching the sides of a shirt seems like a great idea, but I can't do something like that myself. I could probably ask my mom or aunt since they're both very good at sewing. Also I've ordered a lot of shirts made on the the American Apparel tees and they fit pretty awkwardly as well, even though they're meant for women. X____X Somewhat tight at the bottom and loose in the middle.. So there's a LOT of extra fabric on my stomach area. HNNGGG SHIRT COMPANIES.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: babylicketysplit on March 20, 2012, 05:22:13 PM
 :blush: im not very good at sewing.  heh.    and honestly if im going to pay 25$ plus, for a shirt, i sure as heck shouldnt have to modify it.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: gabumon on March 20, 2012, 05:23:20 PM
true.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: banditpony on March 20, 2012, 05:27:17 PM
Well, perhaps its because I don't like that company... but nope.

Have you looked at Zazzle?
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: babylicketysplit on March 20, 2012, 05:37:41 PM
 ^.^ oh!!!  that zazzle site is a great idea, thanks!   
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Pythia on March 20, 2012, 05:42:23 PM
Urgh, don't even get me started. So sick of guys completely taking over MLP.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: tulagirl on March 20, 2012, 05:54:37 PM
Well aside from what you are saying one of my biggest complaints is that if they do stuff they always put it in junior sizes which are really small and I am not skinny. I am not huge but just not skinny and a XL junior is all that fits me and I wish they would make misses sizes in these if they do make them for women.  I have this problem with Hello Kitty. All her stuff is for kids or juniors..hey us older women love her too...so I get your frustration.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Ginger on March 20, 2012, 07:00:08 PM
Yeah... I can't wear any of them at all. D: Large busts and high neck-lines just don't go well together.

It's a shame because I really wanted the Pinkie Moon one. XD
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Flickerswift on March 20, 2012, 07:02:24 PM
I actually really like the fact that everything comes in men's sizes before women's. I loath clothing that is clingy or revealing because I dress conservatively, and most women's tees have gigantic neck holes and are built for an hourglass figure I do not have. I can't count the number of times I've turned up my nose at a shirt that I enjoyed the graphics of because it was built for some size 0 girl with a flat stomach and huge breasts.

That said, the guys on welovefine should not be rude at all. It's wrong. And since welovefine says they print each tee to order, it shouldn't be that hard to just use a women's shirt as a base. The problem is that from what I've seen, men seem to be way more vocal than women when it comes to this stuff. They want something? They all go out and write ten emails about it. I think a lot of the old school fans are still used to being ignored by the corporations who never listened until G4, so they aren't as eager to complain. Then again, I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Tally Mark on March 20, 2012, 07:16:12 PM
Yes. I REALLY want more girls tees, some of the favorite designs I want are only in mens...the mens shirts really just fit weirdly on me. I didn't even realize that the guys selection was SO much larger until I went to a brony meetup, and a guy was wearing this awesome discord hoodie (it was metal themed, I love metal). I wanted to know where he got it, and when he told me it was welovefine I wondered how I could miss something like that...then I learned that if you select "girls" tees, you've nixed about 90% of the merchandise. =/


Some of these designs have been out for quite awhile, so it seems like they're just not planning on releasing them in women's...like someone above said, if they're made to order, it shouldn't be that hard.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: UnicornTamer on March 20, 2012, 07:20:39 PM
I don't buy any of the t-shirts or anything, but it still makes me mad. MLP was and is meant for girls. GIRLS, people!
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Koudoawaia on March 20, 2012, 08:27:25 PM
Personally, I don't mind wearing men's tshirts. I have one that I've worn since 2005 in fact. I'd prefer getting a men's shirt from welovefine over a women's shirt after what getting a women's welovefine shirt resulted in at Hot Topic. I'm worried I'll run into something silly like the sizes for women being so ridiculous that a XX Extra Large is still tight on me  which is what happened with my shirt from Hot Topic. Anyplace else, I'd be swimming in a XX Extra Large shirt.  Unfortunately, I do find that the designs for men's shirts in general are more appealing than designs on women's shirts too. =/
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: toralei on March 20, 2012, 08:35:01 PM
I honestly am not too bothered..... I think that each design should come in both the "male" cut and the "female" cut. But at the same time I think it is nice to see something that is traditionally considered "girly" be embraced by many cisgendered males.. A lot of times it's considered acceptable for a woman to accept something considered masculine, as society often sees it as her trying to 'better" herself, but, men adopting traditionally feminine things is considered shameful due to deeply ingrained misogyny in society...


...I'm rambling and going waaaaaaay off topic. Sorry about that 
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 on March 20, 2012, 08:37:30 PM
I actually really like the fact that everything comes in men's sizes before women's. I loath clothing that is clingy or revealing because I dress conservatively, and most women's tees have gigantic neck holes and are built for an hourglass figure I do not have. I can't count the number of times I've turned up my nose at a shirt that I enjoyed the graphics of because it was built for some size 0 girl with a flat stomach and huge breasts.
This.
I'm not really frustrerated since while I'm a girl, womens shirts tend to be to small for me, so I buy mens anyway. Though, they do need more.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: fingerpaints on March 20, 2012, 09:09:31 PM
I don't mind wearing mens shirts, it's much harder to pick the size off a rack for a womens top, I hate trying things on in a store, and you don't know what sizing is going to be like online, so I generally go with a men's where possible. It isn't always great either. I just purchased a 5XL mens shirt off ebay, and it has come in looking more like an 2XL, luckily, I do fit a 2XL, cause im a larger unicorn, but I deliberalely ordered a larger size so it would be baggy on me, I wanted something I could just laze around the house in comfort in - not something that fits nicely as such :/ I am not a 5XL, and it drives me nuts that something that actually *fits perfect* has a label with 5XL on it, makes me feel like a whale :(
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Sanadaookami on March 20, 2012, 09:22:09 PM
Yeah... I can't wear any of them at all. D: Large busts and high neck-lines just don't go well together.

It's a shame because I really wanted the Pinkie Moon one. XD

So much this. I can't ever get away with a mans shirt without looking silly. Luckily I sew so normally I just fix that issue if I really like the shirt- but not on one that expensive... I guess we could always just mail them and ask for more girl options?
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Tally Mark on March 20, 2012, 09:59:28 PM
I'll wear mens shirts sometimes, but I'm really just more comfortable in fitted shirts. I think its just so frustrating partly because this is what ALWAYS happens--they know a girl will wear a guys shirt but a guy won't wear a girls shirt, so they cater to just guys knowing the girls will make do with it. Ironically, this is the problem they had with cartoons for girls/boys, until MLP--before MLP, a girl would watch a show for boys but a boy wouldn't watch a show for girls, so most good shows were aimed at boys.


At least that has changed! ;)
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: babylicketysplit on March 20, 2012, 10:00:57 PM
 :blush:  i really cant fit in the mens.  im a petite girl who has to order small in womens.   and if i order a small in mens there is no room for chest area.  if i order bigger i look like a box LOL
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Lon-san on March 20, 2012, 10:25:32 PM
I, also, usually buy "men's" tee shirts. I need my space, man.

But if you find the shirts too boxy, e-mail and request a different fit. If they get a bunch of letters and they are nicely written inquires about a product people are looking for then I'm sure they would consider it. Heck, maybe a few guys would even go for a more fitted look. As long as it's not all "OMG WHY YOU HATE WOMEN??" it probably won't even register as a complaint.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Snapdragon on March 20, 2012, 10:50:09 PM
Urgh, don't even get me started. So sick of guys completely taking over MLP.

Yeah, this. I'm really not happy with the T-shirt companies throwing us a piddling few T-shirts (always in teeny-tiny juniors sizes, no less!) during the G3 heydey, but G4 hits, and it's like "OMG, MEN LIKE THIS SHOW NOW?! QUICK, FALL ALL OVER YOURSELVES TO CATER TO THEM!!"

I guess big companies forget that women make, what was it, 80% of purchase decisions in the US? ;) I read that in a survey somewhere - people are so eager to cater to the 18-34 male set, when in fact it's usually women spending most of the money on their products... lrn2smartness, guys!

Didn't Hasbro have an official Zazzle page or something? :) It sounds like a good thing to hunt down to me, they have a lot more sizing options, last time I checked.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: DoctorMowinckel on March 20, 2012, 11:18:40 PM
I don't buy any of the t-shirts or anything, but it still makes me mad. MLP was and is meant for girls. GIRLS, people!

Sure, it's marketed to girls, but if a guy wants to spend his days drowning in ponies, there's nothing wrong with that. Are action flicks for guys? Videogames? How 'bout engineering careers, scientific careers?

What's upsetting is when someone assumes one gender should close themselves off to something because society says so. The male MLP fanbase isn't saying it's not for girls, but they're trying to make it theirs, and therein lies the problem. The 'brony' movement is acting like they both own and invented ponies, the segregating of the fanbase is what's upsetting.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Snapdragon on March 21, 2012, 12:35:29 AM
I don't buy any of the t-shirts or anything, but it still makes me mad. MLP was and is meant for girls. GIRLS, people!

Sure, it's marketed to girls, but if a guy wants to spend his days drowning in ponies, there's nothing wrong with that. Are action flicks for guys? Videogames? How 'bout engineering careers, scientific careers?

... yes? You do realize that all of those things are almost exclusively marketed to/created for guys, right? Popular media (movies, video games), especially? Tell me the last time you saw an action movie that was marketed towards/starring women (in a non male-gazey way), pre-Hunger Games. Really, I'll wait. Ditto for video games - it's only very recently that 'big name action games' (such as ME3) are starting to even consider their female demographic, despite a decent number of female gamers. For the most part, they market/design their products towards the male audience, and any women who happen to like it are more of an afterthought.

Similarly, the 'popular theory' for many years held that women were good at social studies/language arts, and men were better at scientific/engineering careers - when in fact it's more of a social construct that tells men/women which jobs/majors are 'best' for them, not any kind of actual brain chemistry differences between the sexes. The social pressure is simply that women who like math are 'weird' and men who like social studies are too. It's not right, but it's what is passed around in the culture.

I can see your point, you're just making it a way I disagree with. Men 'own' a lot of popular media as it is - they don't need to be stealing shows from little girls and acting like they have the 'right' to own it, or to be the loudest voices in its fandom. But that said, men should absolutely feel welcome to the MLP fandom - just not in a way that becomes condescending ("FiM isn't like old pony shows, it's not GIRLY"), or tries to replace the other half of the fandom. It is what it is - a girly, cute little show that is entertaining for all ages and genders. It doesn't have to be 'for men' or 'manly' for it to be charming. People should just love MLP for what it is, not what they think it should be. :)
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Lon-san on March 21, 2012, 01:08:30 AM
The 'brony' movement is acting like they both own and invented ponies, the segregating of the fanbase is what's upsetting.

PART of it does. I don't think  that word could be emphasised enough. The "The ponies are ours now. Do what we say, Hasbro!" people are loud and anoying but the more normal bronies are rolling their eyes at that.

Men mostly wear men's shirts. A chunk of women ALSO wear men's tee shirts. It's not like the designs all actually say "I am a MAN and I like MLP", most of it is gender neutral. It's probably less falling over themselves to cater only to just men and more "Eh, more people will order this style anyway." But you can ASK them. If there's a big demand, they probably won't say "no" unless they hate money.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: DoctorMowinckel on March 21, 2012, 01:16:31 AM
I don't buy any of the t-shirts or anything, but it still makes me mad. MLP was and is meant for girls. GIRLS, people!

Sure, it's marketed to girls, but if a guy wants to spend his days drowning in ponies, there's nothing wrong with that. Are action flicks for guys? Videogames? How 'bout engineering careers, scientific careers?

... yes? You do realize that all of those things are almost exclusively marketed to/created for guys, right? Popular media (movies, video games), especially? Tell me the last time you saw an action movie that was marketed towards/starring women (in a non male-gazey way), pre-Hunger Games. Really, I'll wait. Ditto for video games - it's only very recently that 'big name action games' (such as ME3) are starting to even consider their female demographic, despite a decent number of female gamers. For the most part, they market/design their products towards the male audience, and any women who happen to like it are more of an afterthought.

Similarly, the 'popular theory' for many years held that women were good at social studies/language arts, and men were better at scientific/engineering careers - when in fact it's more of a social construct that tells men/women which jobs/majors are 'best' for them, not any kind of actual brain chemistry differences between the sexes. The social pressure is simply that women who like math are 'weird' and men who like social studies are too. It's not right, but it's what is passed around in the culture.

I can see your point, you're just making it a way I disagree with. Men 'own' a lot of popular media as it is - they don't need to be stealing shows from little girls and acting like they have the 'right' to own it, or to be the loudest voices in its fandom. But that said, men should absolutely feel welcome to the MLP fandom - just not in a way that becomes condescending ("FiM isn't like old pony shows, it's not GIRLY"), or tries to replace the other half of the fandom. It is what it is - a girly, cute little show that is entertaining for all ages and genders. It doesn't have to be 'for men' or 'manly' for it to be charming. People should just love MLP for what it is, not what they think it should be. :)

I'm aware of all of this, I regularly stomp around and huff and puff about gender equality. Society gives those with matching chromosomes the short end of the stick, and it's a load of horseapples. But the contrary applies too, don't put me in a box and tell me I can't like ponies 'cause I have a Y chromosome, 'cause I sure as Shire talk wouldn't tell a woman they should do something based on their gender. It's not okay to say 'this is for boys, not for girls', screw that attitude. I extend my middle finger to that viewpoint just as readily as I extend to the attitude 'this is for girls, not for boys'. It goes both ways.

And I totally agree with you. If people want to watch ponies, they should watch it regardless of their gender, and enjoy for what it is. It's a brightly coloured sugary sweet show about ponies whose goal is to be awesome to each other (not to mention it has incredibly awesome gender equality undertones). If you like it for that, embrace it, don't stand behind a label, just say you like ponies! Ain't nothin' wrong with that, ponies are awesome!

I honestly feel bad for both of us, for this conversation. 'Cause I feel like we're both arguing about the same thing, on the same side, on the same page, and we're somehow not seeing eye to eye. Part of that's 'cause while I am a proponent of gender equality, I can never see it from the other side, I can do my best to empathize, and I do, but it's not my plight, so I'll never fully understand it.

Basically it sucks. The culture that tries to put both of our genders in boxes sucks. Fortunately it's changing, slowly, but it's changing.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Dawn on March 21, 2012, 01:22:57 AM
Yeah... I can't wear any of them at all. D: Large busts and high neck-lines just don't go well together.
Small busts and high neck lines don't work either, it makes me look like a boy! x) This is an issue with a lot of band t-shirts too, they often make them in smaller sizes, but still the typical tshirt shape, it's annoying :-/
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: okapishomapi on March 21, 2012, 01:23:14 AM
...ugH!  starting to feel like a jerk... 

This is how I feel. Like, I don't want to complain about the new popularity, and I certainly don't want to deter anyone (including men!) away from MLP, but I want to be included to :/

Post Merge: March 21, 2012, 01:26:15 AM

DoctorMon and Snapdragon - I love you both right now. As a female engineer who loves video games, action movies, dolls, and ponies....you guys make me feel accepted here :lovey:
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: OctoberFlash on March 21, 2012, 04:45:06 AM
I love bronies (or at least the rational-minded ones, anyway)! I think it's pretty cool that they're willing to like something even though it was aimed for the opposite gender.

But that doesn't mean they should just ignore us girls. :/

I saw some really awesome shirts on WeLoveFine and couldn't get them because they only come in mens sizes... I was kind of upset. I mean, I don't care that much, it's just a T-shirt, but guys, pegasisters exist too. We might be the minority of the FiM fanbase, but that doesn't make us nonexistent. :(
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Sandi on March 21, 2012, 05:04:25 AM
I actually prefers the "men style" shirts as they're much more comfortable. So I don't mind.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: cyanide on March 21, 2012, 05:09:53 AM
Ive found this annoying aswell, there are so many shirts i want on that site, but i dont need more "manly" shirts :)

im a top-lover (tank-tops and the ones with thin bands aswell), and i would order loads if this came true.

I actually sent away a email to their customer service, letting them know how much you (and me would want this) .also hinting about the topic on here and how many ladies/girls would love this idea :) , hoping for a result


edit:
i tried to google mlp fim tank tops and i found this (not sure if its allowed to link to a online store, feel free to remove it if so):
http://www.cafepress.co.uk/+mlpfim+tank-tops

these are really boring, but the models of these tops would look awesome on the ones on welovefine!
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: MrPony on March 21, 2012, 05:51:53 AM
 Wow. I don`t really like this thread. I`m a guy and my first ponies were Blossom and Medley. My entire life I was made fun of for liking girls toys. And what I am reading here is not really a t-shirt selection complaint, but a whole bunch of nasty backhanded hate.
 Like it or not the pony world has changed and i`m glad it has.
Oh and BTW try finding a men`s pony shirt made before 2010. They did not exist.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Pythia on March 21, 2012, 06:07:38 AM
Wow. I don`t really like this thread. I`m a guy and my first ponies were Blossom and Medley. My entire life I was made fun of for liking girls toys. And what I am reading here is not really a t-shirt selection complaint, but a whole bunch of nasty backhanded hate.
 Like it or not the pony world has changed and i`m glad it has.
Oh and BTW try finding a men`s pony shirt made before 2010. They did not exist.


The problem isn't that they're making men's MLP shirts. That's awesome, and I doubt anyone would disagree. The problem is that they're catering to all the new male fans by making heaps of male MLP clothing...while just about completely ignoring the older 'main' fanbase of women.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Pinkie21 on March 21, 2012, 06:13:09 AM
I have to agree.  There are a ton of men's shirts, but it would be really nice to have the choice to have the same designs in women's shirts as well.  I've been losing a bit of weight, and it would be really nice to wear a cute, figure-framing shirt.  But I definitely understand there are plenty of women who feel more comfortable in a men's size.  Heck knows I've been one of those women for a very long time during my "bigger" days..er...years.  I just wish there was more of a choice :P
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: babylicketysplit on March 21, 2012, 06:16:43 AM
Wow. I don`t really like this thread. I`m a guy and my first ponies were Blossom and Medley. My entire life I was made fun of for liking girls toys. And what I am reading here is not really a t-shirt selection complaint, but a whole bunch of nasty backhanded hate.
 Like it or not the pony world has changed and i`m glad it has.
Oh and BTW try finding a men`s pony shirt made before 2010. They did not exist.


Hey now. i did NOT start this thread based on hate. thank you.  please actually read what i wrote. 

 i was simply expressing and wondering if i was the only female  that as frustrated about the lack of FIM womens clothing, not the fact that there is mens clothing LOL.  i think thats effing amazing!   i just want to be able to purchase and wear some too.    but i suppose i will have to go custom if i am to do that becuase i prefer not to wear guys shirts all the time.   if anything im hatin on t shirt shape haha.   ;) :P     
 i was also trying to get information to see if any others knew of a place that had more female clothing selections so i could find some.     so no this thread was not started as a backhanded attempt to bash men or bronies.   if you will be so kind as to read my first post, i said i love bronies.   half my guy friends are bronies!!  that be so weird for me to be considered a hater.   

this is NOT a debate on gender equality or the shows role in popular culture of male and female genders.  its about the marketing of clothing.

and doc and snap, love you both!!!! even though you both dont see it   your both on the same page ;) <3 *hug*   and i totally agree


*Edit* 
and also to counter your comment about finding a mens t shirt before 2010... um try finding an adult womens one while your at it.  :lol:   i sure as heck maybe saw like 4 or 5. MAYBE     that werent made for toddlers.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: amenoo on March 21, 2012, 07:19:48 AM
Fortunately for me I only would like to wear the cutiemark t-shirts because I don't want to bee TOO obvious with my pony love ^^ and they come in both men and women sizes. (they recently restocked the Rarity one <3)

But I neve rnoticed before that Male section had  4 more pages, that's like LOTS. I don't really know why they can't have them all in both since they are printing them after order anyway? They would make more money
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: hathorcat on March 21, 2012, 07:51:09 AM
I dont care if you are man, woman or child - if you like girly things, boyish things...ponies can be for anyone in any background so I thought I would get that point over first

However, second....YES I know exactly where you are coming from babylicketysplit...as an adult woman I currently feel uncatered for in the FiM world - merchandise is far and away currently focused on adult males or little girls....I guess HB and their licensees feel those are currently the correct markets for the brand....hopefully we ll see more womans merch in the future....
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Malicieuse on March 21, 2012, 08:12:45 AM
I have to agree, i really wish they had a couple of more options. In my case, i would love some female t-shirts that have some slightly longer sleeves. I hate how the only girly shirt has nearly no sleeves.

I could get a male sized shirt but frankly ,while comfortable, i think most of those look unflattering.
I also thought about the official zazzle store. But i mostly wear black and i heared their printing on black is pretty bad. So i rather not take that risk.

Maybe we should try mailing welovefine?
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: reanna-mator on March 21, 2012, 08:42:12 AM
Well... as far as I can see on Welovefine all the designs I want are available in women's sizes, and I'm really okay with the women's tee. Although, now that you mention it I wouldn't mind if there were some tanks and camis available... I've lost a lot of weight recently and have been increasingly okay with showing some bare arm and shoulder.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Tally Mark on March 21, 2012, 09:03:02 AM
I think mailing them may just be the way to go. I wonder if a collective email would be helpful? Not complainy, like a petition, but couched in a fun and friendly way, like,

"Dear Welovefine: We love you. We LOVE your awesome array of pony t-shirts...we just wish that more of our favorite designs were available in women's shirts. This would be at least 20% cooler!

We are a group of female My Little Pony fans who would SERIOUSLY consider purchasing your shirts if only the same designs for male tees were available in the girly tee cut (We would not be opposed to camis or tanks, either!). We want to give you our money, we just need clothing that fits. :) Thank you very much for your consideration, and for being all around awesome. We look forward to seeing what you put out next!"

Followed by a list of names (of serious potential buyers). Or, we could all just email individually with a nicely posed request. It may be that they've been hesitant to expand because girly tee sales are poor...which of course is stupid and self-fulfilling, because I expect they're poor because the selection is so bad. :p (well, not BAD...but the shirts I love best are male only. you get what I mean).
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: SummerSkye on March 21, 2012, 09:10:16 AM
[Post removed - please stay on topic. / pop-girl]
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: 4boyzmom on March 21, 2012, 09:25:12 AM
Hot topic has a bunch of both MALE AND FEMALE fim shirts right now I just checked their website and they have 23 different ones and if you have a store in your local mall you can save on shipping =)
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: tinrobo on March 21, 2012, 09:36:46 AM
I don't mind getting a men's t-shirt if there's no other option but I do think the fit is unflattering on my shape, I usually slash the collars so I can show off my shoulders and try to look a little feminine but I can understand not wanting to do that to a brand new shirt!


It seems silly that if the shirts are made to order why not have everything as an option, so people can choose what they like best? :/
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Snapdragon on March 21, 2012, 12:59:20 PM
[snipped out the previous comments for length!-Snap]
I'm aware of all of this, I regularly stomp around and huff and puff about gender equality. Society gives those with matching chromosomes the short end of the stick, and it's a load of horseapples. But the contrary applies too, don't put me in a box and tell me I can't like ponies 'cause I have a Y chromosome, 'cause I sure as Shire talk wouldn't tell a woman they should do something based on their gender. It's not okay to say 'this is for boys, not for girls', screw that attitude. I extend my middle finger to that viewpoint just as readily as I extend to the attitude 'this is for girls, not for boys'. It goes both ways.

And I totally agree with you. If people want to watch ponies, they should watch it regardless of their gender, and enjoy for what it is. It's a brightly coloured sugary sweet show about ponies whose goal is to be awesome to each other (not to mention it has incredibly awesome gender equality undertones). If you like it for that, embrace it, don't stand behind a label, just say you like ponies! Ain't nothin' wrong with that, ponies are awesome!

I honestly feel bad for both of us, for this conversation. 'Cause I feel like we're both arguing about the same thing, on the same side, on the same page, and we're somehow not seeing eye to eye. Part of that's 'cause while I am a proponent of gender equality, I can never see it from the other side, I can do my best to empathize, and I do, but it's not my plight, so I'll never fully understand it.

Basically it sucks. The culture that tries to put both of our genders in boxes sucks. Fortunately it's changing, slowly, but it's changing.

Yeah, I think we’re arguing the same side of the issue here, LOL! I’m just saying, it is definitely unfair to see someone saying “men can’t like ponies!”, until you realize that Bronies (the most vocal, annoying ones at least) are kind of trying to wipe out the existence of female fans, too. I can understand the frustration UnicornTamer is feeling, because although they’re saying ‘ponies are for girls!’, well, it feels like a lot of the ‘new’ fandom right now is saying, ‘women need to get out of ponies, ponies are MEN’S things now!’  So it’s not okay to say that men can’t like ponies, but it’s coming from a place of frustrated reaction, where the opposite sentiment is being voiced in a very hateful, public manner.

I don’t want anyone on the Arena to feel unwelcome just because they’re dudes – we have tons of awesome dude collectors/fans, such as yourself! I’d love to have more guys who could treat others with the respect they’d like to receive, even if they are a different gender/like different things/etc. We all like ponies, that should be the focus of the fandom, not how ‘manly’ it is.

DoctorMon and Snapdragon - I love you both right now. As a female engineer who loves video games, action movies, dolls, and ponies....you guys make me feel accepted here :lovey:

Aww, I’m so glad! :heart: I love that we have such a wide variety of collectors here!

I saw some really awesome shirts on WeLoveFine and couldn't get them because they only come in mens sizes... I was kind of upset. I mean, I don't care that much, it's just a T-shirt, but guys, pegasisters exist too. We might be the minority of the FiM fanbase, but that doesn't make us nonexistent. :(

Actually, female fans are the majority – the Hub did a viewing survey on who was watching the new FiM show, and the majority of viewers were women and female children. Men were present, but they definitely lagged behind. Most of the ‘Bronies are the majority’ facts are pulled from pseudo-scientific surveys that were posted on Brony-only sites. Surprisingly, the majority of pony-fans who view Brony sites are male Bronies, who could have predicted that? ;)

Wow. I don`t really like this thread. I`m a guy and my first ponies were Blossom and Medley. My entire life I was made fun of for liking girls toys. And what I am reading here is not really a t-shirt selection complaint, but a whole bunch of nasty backhanded hate.
 Like it or not the pony world has changed and i`m glad it has.
Oh and BTW try finding a men`s pony shirt made before 2010. They did not exist.


I’m sorry that you feel unwelcome, but I don’t think that’s what’s being said in this thread at all. Just about every post I’ve seen here has been prefaced with ‘I don’t have a problem with most Bronies, but” and then they complain about the lack of shirts for women, which is a valid complaint. A lot of women/girls were made fun of for liking ponies before it became ‘popular’ also, so you’re definitely not alone in your suffering there. And now a lot of us are facing that same hate, merely for being female/liking the older gens. No one wants to make you feel unwelcome – we’re just frustrated by the poor treatment we’ve been receiving, lately.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Elisto on March 21, 2012, 02:35:58 PM
To answer the question of the post, yes and no...on the one hand, I don't really buy t-shirts advertising cartoons anymore because whenever I wear them, people think I'm a teenager, and I'm definitely not, plus, I find the cut of women's t-shirts to be uncomfortable especially the almost non-existent sleeves, even though I'm small, and I do consider men's t-shirts to be kind of generic/gender neutral. On the other hand, I do think it's weird and frustrating that when I did buy t-shirts like these, I could rarely find them in women's sizes or small men's sizes, only juniors or men's medium and up, and it's especially weird that for ponies, which Hasbro has been so marketing towards females, to not have many women's shirts.

I think it's awesome that men can find shirts with ponies, both for guys and those of us girls who prefer that style, but I do wish they'd acknowledge the adult women pony fan's desire for merchandise too. It's just so bizarre that they seem to I guess not think there's a market for that? I'm not sure why else they wouldn't sell it.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: banditpony on March 21, 2012, 02:55:26 PM
Ok. As mentioned before WLF is not the only place making MLP shirts, There is also this : http://www.zazzle.com/mylittlepony

O_o; there are 6 pages of women's shirts on WLF (10 for men). So I dunno, the topic is that there is lack of female directed FiM stuff. Well, there is a basic tee-- so it is "lack of tank tops". So in reality, we have more choices then men, because we also have zazzle :3 

But I say make a ruckus to WLF. Cuz ya know, if there is a BIG ENOUGH want for it, they are gunna sell it, because they like to make money.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: CrystalCrown on March 21, 2012, 03:09:13 PM
i know! its kinda a disappointment for most, but for me, i dont mind wearing a shirt in a guys cut at all :P
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Skeen on March 21, 2012, 03:19:30 PM
I don't mind wearing men's shirts.  I'm curvy enough to make them look like women's anyway, and my husband and I wear the same size now so I can raid his drawer if I don't feel like doing laundry.  :)
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: BigBrotherPony on March 21, 2012, 03:28:55 PM
OMG!!!!
 
Now look what has happened , I was about to post a reply and then i was distracted by the zazzle website (which i had never visited before) and now i want to spend a gazzillion dollars on pony binders and envelopes and stuff that i will never use!
 
Anyway back on topic.
 
I think what 'welovefine' should really do is have a set up where they have a selection of T-shirts in all sizes, in several styles, for both genders in a range of colours, and a selection of transfer prints. You make an order saying I want Print A, on T-shirt B, Colour Blue, Size-medium and then they heat press it there and then and ship it out!
 
Then Boys, Girls, Women,Men,Grannies,Grandpa's and anyone in between could kit themselves out in a vast array of pony fashions and the whole world would be a much prettier, colourful place and we would all live happily ever after!
 
The End ;)
 
 
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Malicieuse on March 21, 2012, 04:00:01 PM
Ok. As mentioned before WLF is not the only place making MLP shirts, There is also this : http://www.zazzle.com/mylittlepony

O_o; there are 6 pages of women's shirts on WLF (10 for men). So I dunno, the topic is that there is lack of female directed FiM stuff. Well, there is a basic tee-- so it is "lack of tank tops". So in reality, we have more choices then men, because we also have zazzle :3 

But I say make a ruckus to WLF. Cuz ya know, if there is a BIG ENOUGH want for it, they are gunna sell it, because they like to make money.

From what i have heared the quality of zazzle is hit or miss. For example, their black t-shirt printing is not very good. (If the reviews are correct.)
If i pay that much for a shirt i want to be sure the quality is decent.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: banditpony on March 21, 2012, 04:40:20 PM
WLF is terrible too, if you are speaking of that. That is something I am extremely picky about. (Someone gifted me a WLF shirt).  I wouldn't buy shirts from either company.  :lol:



Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: TwistedWindSox on March 21, 2012, 05:46:59 PM
:blush:  i really cant fit in the mens.  im a petite girl who has to order small in womens.   and if i order a small in mens there is no room for chest area.  if i order bigger i look like a box LOL

Thisss. A small men's shirt on me squeezes my chest, and a medium is too big. D:
I wish they would make more girls' shirts on WLF. A lot of the best designs only come in men's. And if they are printed to order, it shouldn't be a big deal to grab a girl's shirt instead. :/
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: josiekat on March 21, 2012, 07:36:49 PM
Personally, I like wearing mens T's, so it's not an issue for me, but I can see your frustration.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: STLGusty on March 21, 2012, 07:56:11 PM
I think it's great that WLF is making men's wear, but I do see where it is aggrivating that it appears a lot of those tops are geared TOWARDS men (or at least those who are willing to wear men's tops).  As someone mentioned earlier, I think the company does bank on women who are willing to wear men's shirts vs. men willing to wear women's shirts.  They see a market (males) and they cater to it.  I don't see why they wouldn't try to capitalize on a seemingly equal (if not greater?) amount of female fans wanting shirts...but I'm sure they have reason.

In my opinion, many of the males in the fandom may eventually die out as the years progress, leaving the hardcore, true pony guys left.  I think after awhile this will happen, and when it does...the merchandise will turn more towards the remaining female fans (or it may vanish all together).
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Dragonflitter on March 22, 2012, 08:51:08 AM
Have you tried doing a search on cafepress.com?

A lot of items on cafepress.com are fan-made rather than 'official' (if you want to call Zazzle and WLF official). But you will get WAY more variety. Heck you can get stuff on coffee mugs, mouse pads, and baseball caps! And they have a lot of women's apparal as well as men's.

I've ordered T-shirts from cafepress before and I think the quality and price is comparable to other t-shirt websites.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Stormy31685 on March 22, 2012, 09:00:07 AM
Urgh, don't even get me started. So sick of guys completely taking over MLP.


LOL!!!!!  I *never* thought I would read that in a million years.  My how the times have changed!
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on March 22, 2012, 09:37:03 AM
I don't buy any of the t-shirts or anything, but it still makes me mad. MLP was and is meant for girls. GIRLS, people!

MLP was not "made and meant" for girls.  Please note that we have many male collectors here... 

MLP is a children's toy meant to enhance and enrich the imagination.  Any attempt to pigeon-hole a gender stereotype is just that, and not a true statement about MLP at all.

I think the amount of girls' merchandise is due to a few factors...

1) We don't complain/encourage the merchandisers - we've been ignored too many years to feel our voices are properly heard.  OR we complain TOO much and the licensers are tired of trying to please us.

2) We typically make our own merchandise if we get the inclination. 

3) We complain about the price/quality IF it is released, and then don't buy it.

4) Girls' clothing requires more labor to construct and sometimes more fabric.  They also generally make them in multiple sizes.  Guys' shirts and hoodies are lower labor-intensive and guys don't typically need as many sizes as girls do, so they are cheaper to make. 
 
Not to mention that since G1, nearly all the wearable merchandise has been for females.  Regardless if it was children's clothing or NOT.  So let's give the guys a chance to have a freakin' t-shirt for the first time in practically 30 years for goodness sakes without being all, "Where's my tank top!? RAWR Male Bronies hate us and the industry is AGAINST us, oh Noooooooo..."  It's a t-shirt.  Really.  Calm down.
 
Or... make your own!  ;)
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Elisto on March 22, 2012, 09:49:21 AM
I don't buy any of the t-shirts or anything, but it still makes me mad. MLP was and is meant for girls. GIRLS, people!

MLP was not "made and meant" for girls.  Please note that we have many male collectors here... 

MLP is a children's toy meant to enhance and enrich the imagination.  Any attempt to pigeon-hole a gender stereotype is just that, and not a true statement about MLP at all.

As much as I agree with your sentiment that of course it should be open to everyone, regardless of gender, and restricting it to just girls should in no way be the attitude here, I can't quite agree that MLP as a commercial product isn't intended for girls. I don't *like* that fact, but that is how the show/toys are marketed by Hasbro (after all, didn't they say the reason we had pink Celestia was because "little girls like pink"?). I don't really see why things can't be marketed for both guys and girls, but I don't think that's what Hasbro themselves are doing. Hopefully this is changing with the release of the newest toys. As for websites selling mostly men's shirts, maybe they have more male customers than female to begin with?

Also, I don't think women's shirts usually use more fabric...to me, they are always too short or don't have enough of a sleeve.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Flickerswift on March 22, 2012, 09:50:20 AM
I think mailing them may just be the way to go. I wonder if a collective email would be helpful? Not complainy, like a petition, but couched in a fun and friendly way, like,

"Dear Welovefine: We love you. We LOVE your awesome array of pony t-shirts...we just wish that more of our favorite designs were available in women's shirts. This would be at least 20% cooler!

We are a group of female My Little Pony fans who would SERIOUSLY consider purchasing your shirts if only the same designs for male tees were available in the girly tee cut (We would not be opposed to camis or tanks, either!). We want to give you our money, we just need clothing that fits. :) Thank you very much for your consideration, and for being all around awesome. We look forward to seeing what you put out next!"

Followed by a list of names (of serious potential buyers). Or, we could all just email individually with a nicely posed request. It may be that they've been hesitant to expand because girly tee sales are poor...which of course is stupid and self-fulfilling, because I expect they're poor because the selection is so bad. :p (well, not BAD...but the shirts I love best are male only. you get what I mean).

I think it would be more effective if everyone sent in their own e-mail instead of trying a group thing. It would get far more attention.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on March 22, 2012, 01:53:30 PM
Definitely complain individually!  If the same employees hear the same thing over and over, they will pass it on to their manager and maybe it will get passed up the chain.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Juri on March 22, 2012, 01:56:24 PM
YES! If anyone ever finds somewhere that sells decent printed tanks that is not zazzle I will be overjoyed!
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Snapdragon on March 22, 2012, 08:15:11 PM
I don't buy any of the t-shirts or anything, but it still makes me mad. MLP was and is meant for girls. GIRLS, people!

MLP was not "made and meant" for girls.  Please note that we have many male collectors here... 


:lmao: Thanks, I needed that laugh! :lmao:
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Taxel on March 22, 2012, 08:28:41 PM
I don't buy any of the t-shirts or anything, but it still makes me mad. MLP was and is meant for girls. GIRLS, people!

MLP was not "made and meant" for girls.  Please note that we have many male collectors here... 

What color aisle are the MLP toys on, pink or blue? :)

Just because a boy collects baby dolls doesn't mean he's their target audience.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Lon-san on March 22, 2012, 09:03:06 PM
The target audience is little girls. Not boys, not men but not grown women either. If they were only keeping to the target audience then there would be nothing directly specifically at ANY OF US.

What color aisle are the MLP toys on, pink or blue? :)

Just because a boy collects baby dolls doesn't mean he's their target audience.
What color is the aisle for Pokemon? Around here, they are in the blue aisle. Guess this is a little boys' pink deer plushie.
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Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Snapdragon on March 22, 2012, 09:07:02 PM
The target audience is little girls. Not boys, not men but not grown women either. If they were only keeping to the target audience then there would be nothing directly specifically at ANY OF US.

What color aisle are the MLP toys on, pink or blue? :)

Just because a boy collects baby dolls doesn't mean he's their target audience.
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I agree with what you're saying, but I feel that grown women have a MUCH bigger 'right' to the line than grown men do - grown women, at least, very frequently become interested in the line due to childhood nostalgia, or have collected since childhood. Most adult male fans have not. (But a lot have, especially most of the members here on the Arena!) But the line is not being marketed to adults, obviously.

I also always thought Pokemon was supposed to be gender neutral. But of course, they market it to boys especially, because girls are 'allowed' to like boy stuff, but boys are sissies if they like girl things. :rolleyes: And OMG I LOVE THAT LITTLE PINK DEER.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Lon-san on March 22, 2012, 09:44:49 PM
@Snapdragon
I have to disagree.
The fandom is it's own little world. I think people forget that when you step outside of it, a number of people don't think ANY adult has ANY right to My Little Pony. "You collected them as a kid? So what? You're an adult now, get rid of your toys and stop obsessing about a children's show. Hock that stupid green unicorn and buy something grown up."

We are all adults collecting childrens' toys for pleasure. We are all in the same boat. I think it's a bad idea to start deciding which of us as a right to it and who doesn't. I mean, most of the shirts in question aren't even designs from back in the day when we were kids, they are the new show. The toys may live in the pink aisle but the show is suposed to break down barriers about what a "girl show" is and be accessible to more people at the same time.


(OTish)
It's a shame the toy sections end up being so iron clad in some people's minds. I bet there's little girls that aren't much for Pokemon that would go for that deer but their parents won't see it tucked away with the Beyblade. And boys can pick up a sweeeeet red convertible for their action figures over in the sissy pink aisle. Maybe even a tuxedo for sneaking into fancy parties on missions.

(Isn't Deerling cute? I don't follow Pokemon much anymore but they are so cool. That is the Spring form. They change color with the seasons)
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: babymoondust on March 22, 2012, 09:49:35 PM
I buy my pony tees from RedBubble. They aren't official, but their women's tees are made to fit women. If official merch companies want my money, they'll just have to start filling out their stock to fit me.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Lon-san on March 22, 2012, 10:01:03 PM
I buy my pony tees from RedBubble. They aren't official, but their women's tees are made to fit women. If official merch companies want my money, they'll just have to start filling out their stock to fit me.

You might want to add your voice to the letter flood in progress. We Love Fine probably doesn't even realise they could get your money by adding the option. For all they know, you either don't like MLP or you bought a men's fit and are okay with it.
Er, unless you prefer Red Bubble anyway. They do seem to have more colors.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: StarLite on March 22, 2012, 10:14:09 PM
Just to throw in my point - WeLoveFine has a comment section under all of their shirts, and they're astonishingly good about replying to any questions/complaints. Just make a small post under X shirt asking when they'll make X shirt in a female size; that's probably the fastest way to get it made.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Taxel on March 23, 2012, 01:41:25 AM
(OTish)
It's a shame the toy sections end up being so iron clad in some people's minds. I bet there's little girls that aren't much for Pokemon that would go for that deer but their parents won't see it tucked away with the Beyblade. And boys can pick up a sweeeeet red convertible for their action figures over in the sissy pink aisle. Maybe even a tuxedo for sneaking into fancy parties on missions.

I'm not iron clad about it (in fact I think they're incredibly stupid), if you're referring to me, as I brought it up.

But the fact remains that pink aisles = marketed to GIRLS and blue aisles = marketed to BOYS. That's just how it is, and as much as I dislike it being that way I can't change it. Toys are crazy sexist, and at least Hasbro ("little girls only like pink" as their excuse for pink Celestia and probably more I really would rather not look up) and Lego (have you SEEN the Legos for girls?) are as well. Heck my boyfriend said he remembers store aisles being color coded like that when we were kids and I thought it was a new thing, when I spent tons of time in the toy section as a kid. :P

And again, just because a girl likes a boy marketed towards girls or vice versa that does NOT mean the toy is marketed to the opposite gender.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: babylicketysplit on March 23, 2012, 08:58:14 AM
wow  this turned a little crazy.  chill chill chill! LOL :P  love you guys, i get what your talking about with market/target audiences and children.  but i was really only referring to clothing and the outer collector market, not the actual hasbro lines target.   
  i only wanted to vent a little frustration at seeing all these amazing designs but them nbot coming in something that would fit my "petite woman build" i guess u could call it. ;)    plus i like the thinner more breathable fabric of womens shirts as opposed to mens because i have severely sensitive skin due to eczema.    the mens shirts are just so THICK!  and a little more abrasive.   :(       I also really just wanted to know if any one was finding female fim fan made clothes etc. so i could get my little paws on some!!  :)    *hug*   i dont want this to turn into a severe bashing thread of anyone or bronies or men!    im frustrated with the marketing and availability!      i shall write an email to wlf to see if that doesnt help a little.    perhaps suggest a gender option for all designs. 
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: NoDivision on March 23, 2012, 09:02:01 AM
One of my favorite things to do with men's shirts is cut and tie. I do something like this http://farm1.static.flickr.com/108/294211765_a135925f6f.jpg but I do it along the sides of the shirt. Really helps get a nice fit and makes it interesting.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Malicieuse on March 23, 2012, 09:13:15 AM
I buy my pony tees from RedBubble. They aren't official, but their women's tees are made to fit women. If official merch companies want my money, they'll just have to start filling out their stock to fit me.

 Random question, how do you feel about the printing quality of Red Bubble? : )
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: gallifreyan_pony on March 23, 2012, 10:07:03 AM
Personally I think there is a general lack of fan orientated women's tees, not just FiM but other TV/Film and bands too. Where there are women's tees they are often tiny sizes and as a somewhat larger lady I've basically given up trying to support my favourite shows/artists through shirts.

I don't know whether women have just put up with men's shorts for so long that companies don't understand the frustraton, or whether men really do just make up the vast majority of sales (I think this is a possibility) but it really is annoying to see a cool design and realise that it just won't fit properly.

Writing to WLF and letting them know would seem the best option (especially given they're a POD service, right?) but I'm not convinced this is a FiM issue particularly.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Lon-san on March 23, 2012, 01:51:54 PM
Taxel: Not you, I supose. It just got me thinking about how some parents wouldn't check the other aisles for stuff and some kids think they will catch cooties if they look themselves. Kind of tangenty so I marked it OT. Yeah, the idea of marketing an item to both is a hard concept for them. A lot of people are up in arms about gender-neutral Lego ending up as a boy's line and a girl's line. Where did they put it in the beginning? Probably the boy aisle anyway, eh?
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: hyenacub on March 23, 2012, 04:14:24 PM
Yikes.  Slightly...explosive topic here.

But...  go to Hot Topic.  I went there looking for some MLP stuff and only found women's shirts.  XD
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Snapdragon on March 23, 2012, 11:41:01 PM
Personally I think there is a general lack of fan orientated women's tees, not just FiM but other TV/Film and bands too. Where there are women's tees they are often tiny sizes and as a somewhat larger lady I've basically given up trying to support my favourite shows/artists through shirts.

You know, that's such an excellent point! I feel like a lot of 'ladies' cut' tees are basically 'baby tees,' and they haven't fit me since high school. :P So I've kind of just - given up on buying women's t-shirts, because I know they'll never fit me. But when they DO fit, I like the cut a lot more, and they usually fit me in a much more flattering way, i.e. not like a sack!

I might need to write WLF a quick note - it doesn't seem like it would cost them much money, since they're a print-on-demand service!
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: WickedWonderland on March 24, 2012, 03:53:08 AM
If you contact WeLoveFine and ask for the shirt to be made in the women's style, they'll do it. Or at least that's been my experience. I personally love the fit of the women's tees there, but if you want tank tops I've seen some really cute ones on Cafe Press. Camis aren't generally used for graphic shirts, so you're probably out of luck there.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Koudoawaia on March 24, 2012, 05:51:33 AM
Yikes.  Slightly...explosive topic here.

But...  go to Hot Topic.  I went there looking for some MLP stuff and only found women's shirts.  XD

Yeah women's shirts for those with tiny figures. =P
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Malicieuse on March 24, 2012, 06:26:17 AM
Yikes.  Slightly...explosive topic here.

But...  go to Hot Topic.  I went there looking for some MLP stuff and only found women's shirts.  XD


Yeah women's shirts for those with tiny figures. =P

Not to mention not everyone has a Hot Topic in their country. ^^;
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Pinkie21 on March 24, 2012, 06:32:09 AM
One of my favorite things to do with men's shirts is cut and tie. I do something like this http://farm1.static.flickr.com/108/294211765_a135925f6f.jpg but I do it along the sides of the shirt. Really helps get a nice fit and makes it interesting.

Oh that is awesome!  I've been trying to find a way to style my dude shirt in a way that's more flattering.  Thanks for posting the link to that pic! 
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: aellos on March 24, 2012, 06:58:12 AM
I actually really like the fact that everything comes in men's sizes before women's. I loath clothing that is clingy or revealing because I dress conservatively, and most women's tees have gigantic neck holes and are built for an hourglass figure I do not have. I can't count the number of times I've turned up my nose at a shirt that I enjoyed the graphics of because it was built for some size 0 girl with a flat stomach and huge breasts.


You'd be surprised! I fit much better into a womans tee because they're shaped better. And I'm way far from size 0. :D

Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: DaffyDilly on March 24, 2012, 07:16:15 AM
I got bored by the end of page 3 so you know... :p


http://www.redbubble.com/shop/fim+t-shirts (http://www.redbubble.com/shop/fim+t-shirts)


It's a bit of a pain to search (try pony names individually in the search at the top and then narrow by tshirts or iphone stuff or whatever) because there are no large categories for anything MLP, but every shirt design would appear to come in several styles and several colours.


MTA, my OH  bought me a tee for Christmas and I love it. True to size, washes well and very comfy.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: BigBrotherPony on March 24, 2012, 07:51:03 AM
Right .... As a male collector ( not necessarily a Brony as I have been collecting since way before FIM existed) who wants to look out for everypony, Brony, Pegasister, or otherwise I have taken action.


I have written to WeLoveFine and explained this tricky situation and linked them to the arena to see what this hot topic is all about.

I have no idea if they will respond but I'll keep u posted!

BBP
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Sunset on March 24, 2012, 09:17:59 AM
Right .... As a male collector ( not necessarily a Brony as I have been collecting since way before FIM existed) who wants to look out for everypony, Brony, Pegasister, or otherwise I have taken action.


I have written to WeLoveFine and explained this tricky situation and linked them to the arena to see what this hot topic is all about.

I have no idea if they will respond but I'll keep u posted!

BBP

That was very big of you!

Well, if someone from WLF does read this, I'd  like to suggest in addition to more women's shirt options that they try branching out into more G1 shirt options.  I have bought the "Read a Book" shirt featuring Twilight because I can wear it to work.  However, as a mlp collector I am more likely to buy shirts featuring early G1 ponies rather than FIM.  I really like the idea of art shirts featuring ponies such as Glory or Medley in a similar vain to their art nouveau line with FIM.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: cesprins on March 24, 2012, 09:30:58 AM
Right .... As a male collector ( not necessarily a Brony as I have been collecting since way before FIM existed) who wants to look out for everypony, Brony, Pegasister, or otherwise I have taken action.


I have written to WeLoveFine and explained this tricky situation and linked them to the arena to see what this hot topic is all about.

I have no idea if they will respond but I'll keep u posted!

BBP

That was very big of you!

Well, if someone from WLF does read this, I'd  like to suggest in addition to more women's shirt options that they try branching out into more G1 shirt options.  I have bought the "Read a Book" shirt featuring Twilight because I can wear it to work.  However, as a mlp collector I am more likely to buy shirts featuring early G1 ponies rather than FIM.  I really like the idea of art shirts featuring ponies such as Glory or Medley in a similar vain to their art nouveau line with FIM.

Same. I prefer something that's a more elegant. I'd rather see more vintage style artwork, or art nouveau artwork. A lot of the shirts there are too juvenile and in your face.

Hmmm, maybe for the next contest I'll do some g1 artwork...
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Sunset on March 24, 2012, 09:56:43 AM
Right .... As a male collector ( not necessarily a Brony as I have been collecting since way before FIM existed) who wants to look out for everypony, Brony, Pegasister, or otherwise I have taken action.


I have written to WeLoveFine and explained this tricky situation and linked them to the arena to see what this hot topic is all about.

I have no idea if they will respond but I'll keep u posted!

BBP

That was very big of you!

Well, if someone from WLF does read this, I'd  like to suggest in addition to more women's shirt options that they try branching out into more G1 shirt options.  I have bought the "Read a Book" shirt featuring Twilight because I can wear it to work.  However, as a mlp collector I am more likely to buy shirts featuring early G1 ponies rather than FIM.  I really like the idea of art shirts featuring ponies such as Glory or Medley in a similar vain to their art nouveau line with FIM.

Same. I prefer something that's a more elegant. I'd rather see more vintage style artwork, or art nouveau artwork. A lot of the shirts there are too juvenile and in your face.

Hmmm, maybe for the next contest I'll do some g1 artwork...

Yeah, I saw an advertisment for their fan design contest recently and wondered what they would do if people submitted non-fim mlp designs.
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: babystarz on March 24, 2012, 10:09:44 AM
I think there's a large enough fanbase right here that we could either create our own line for Arena members or organize a friendly email campaign to the T-shirt producers.

I also think that gender stereotypes are stupid, even more so now that I have completed my sociology major and plan to go to grad school for it. I admire bronies very much for refusing to let themselves be defined by sexist marketing strategies, and I think the fact that they're being marketed to now is a *good* sign! They're not taking anything away from us, they're expanding the fanbase. We just need to speak up and remind merchandise sellers that we're still here and we want to spend our money with them.

Kids these days are breaking the gender mold too. I don't agree that kids are as hung up about which gender is "supposed" to play with a certain toy as when we were younger. I see little boys in the pony aisle all the time, and they know all the pony names and their parents have no problem buying ponies for their little boys. Kids are annoyed by narrow gender boxes these days too:
http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/12/27/dont-try-to-buy-this-girl-a-princess-doll/ (http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/12/27/dont-try-to-buy-this-girl-a-princess-doll/)
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Flickerswift on March 24, 2012, 10:15:26 AM
   
 plus i like the thinner more breathable fabric of womens shirts as opposed to mens because i have severely sensitive skin due to eczema.    the mens shirts are just so THICK!  and a little more abrasive.   :(   

Hahaha! WLF does a pretty good job of not using thick fabric for their men's shirts. Personally, I feel like they use "girl shirt fabric" instead of "boy shirt fabric", which you might like. It disappoints me though, because I really like thick fabric. Most women's style fabric feels like it's going to rip waaaay too easily.

Of course, if you don't like the fit, this means nothing! Just saying.


You'd be surprised! I fit much better into a womans tee because they're shaped better. And I'm way far from size 0. :D


No, I really wouldn't. If I see a graphic tee I like, I always try it on, even if it's in women's sizes only. I have NEVER found tee I liked the fit of that was specifically built for my gender.


 I also think that gender stereotypes are stupid, even more so now that I have completed my sociology major and plan to go to grad school for it. I admire bronies very much for refusing to let themselves be defined by sexist marketing strategies, and I think the fact that they're being marketed to now is a *good* sign! They're not taking anything away from us, they're expanding the fanbase. We just need to speak up and remind merchandise sellers that we're still here and we want to spend our money with them.
 
 Kids these days are breaking the gender mold too. I don't agree that kids are as hung up about which gender is "supposed" to play with a certain toy as when we were younger. I see little boys in the pony aisle all the time, and they know all the pony names and their parents have no problem buying ponies for their little boys. Kids are annoyed by narrow gender boxes these days too:
 http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/12/27/dont-try-to-buy-this-girl-a-princess-doll/ (http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/12/27/dont-try-to-buy-this-girl-a-princess-doll/)
 

Goodness, I love that little girl. Also, here here! You speak truth!
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: hyenacub on March 24, 2012, 07:10:53 PM
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Yeah women's shirts for those with tiny figures. =P

Well that’s true, unfortunately.  I have a large-sized friend who frequently complains about that.  Fortunately the guys’ sizes go larger so I don’t have a problem.

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Not to mention not everyone has a Hot Topic in their country.

True again!  Though they do have a website.  I don’t know if they ship internationally, though.

LOL  Arena Exclusives.  XD  That would be cool.

OK I have just watched that video--thanks for the link; I loved watching it!  What an adorable and clever little girl.  I could listen to her all day.  She was indignant as heck too!
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: BigBrotherPony on March 31, 2012, 08:24:15 AM
Right after contacting WeLoveFine after my post a page or two back...I got the following response back regarding my pony related input;
 
'We do add new items to the site daily, which helps keep our collection growing.......... I can pass the info on to our merchandising teams because any feedback is helpful in gaging what our customers want to see!'
 
They did write a bit more, but that was related to another request i put in too!
 
So they are aware of our requests for more variety for girls T's. They are linked to this thread....but whether anything will happen, who knows!
 
Thanks
 
BBP 
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: starrypawz on March 31, 2012, 08:30:36 AM
It kind of bugs me, but what bugs me more is looking for 'women's shirts' and they're all in a rather 'tight' style like say a babydoll tee or they only stock 'small' sizes. I don't like my shirts being snug and often the shirts come up as quite short which doesn't help.

Once I found a pony inspired 'Criminal Damage' shirt which I kind of liked, found it online and they went up to Large, apparently 'Large' is a UK 14 according to them. :/
Title: Re: Does anyone else feel frustrated with the lack of female directed FIM stuff?
Post by: Ice Crystal on March 31, 2012, 09:41:15 AM
WeLoveFine started off with more t-shirts fitted for women than men, but when they found that the money was in men when it came to FiM, they started favoring them. I think it would work out best if they just released unisex and women fitted shirts at the same time but eh.

There's an official MLP shop on zazzle.com and they offer shirts in all sorts of cuts. You might also want to look at redbubble.com. Every design is offered in various cuts, but just be careful because there is a lot of art theft around there. It's also all unofficial.
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