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Title: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Lore-Lei on November 29, 2015, 09:19:14 AM
I watched Crunch, the Rockdog and The Magic Coins. I'll be honest, I was pretty reluctant at first considering Adventure is not my kind of genre, plus how dark I've heard it is. I wish I'd have did sooner, now though.

I absolutely love Wind Whistler. Her voice is so beautiful and mature, reminds me of Venus Terzo's Rainbow Dash. I always were fond of intellectual characters and she fits into my favorites with a T.  Galaxy comes for close second, she got the same beautiful voice and language but she's more of a 'wise mage' type character.
And then there's Fizzy with her cute, uh, 'Fizzy-ness', Truly with that accent, Heart Throb's 'darlings' which were a wish came true after a while, and so many more. I never imagined the series having such a diverse character cast, actually.

I love it!  :lovey:

The only thing is... what's with G1 and turning Dream Valley into a deserted wasteland? Might be that I just picked two episodes with it in a row, but seriously, what's up with that?
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on November 29, 2015, 09:31:56 AM
Those (along with "The Quest of the Princess Ponies") are the only episodes that involve turning Dream Valley into a wasteland.  One episode involved it being turned into an ocean.

You hit the cream of the crop.  They're the two best episodes of the series.  Though, especially if you want more Wind Whistler and Fizzy, check out Mish Mash Melee.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Lore-Lei on November 29, 2015, 11:00:41 AM
I already did. A friend of mine suggested it some while ago. Wind Whistler giggling was absolutely adorable.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Leave a Whisper on November 29, 2015, 11:11:14 AM
Glad you enjoyed it, G1 has a lot of charm and a lot of fun. (80s cartoons usually are like that) ^.^ There are a lot of great episodes. You should sit down sometime and really watch it. You may be surprised.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on November 29, 2015, 11:15:58 AM
And the ponies were far from flat.  They just aren't over the top cartoony like the FiM main cast.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Taffeta on November 29, 2015, 04:35:46 PM
Those (along with "The Quest of the Princess Ponies") are the only episodes that involve turning Dream Valley into a wasteland.  One episode involved it being turned into an ocean.

Don't forget the ice age in Baby it's Cold Outside. Wrecking Dream Valley seems to be pretty high on the agenda. XD

If you like Galaxy, by the way, she has a principal role in Baby, it's Cold Outside. Pretty sure she also sings...

Crunch the Rock Dog is one of those episodes that should be really silly but actually is really not silly, because of Wind Whistler. I admit this is the ONLY characterisation that I like better in the US version than the UK comic version. UK Wind Whistler is, quite frankly, a silly whistling idiot. The animated one is educated, intelligent and strategically capable. Also, she gets horribly bullied for it by (I think) Gusty and Buttons. As a kid I identified with that as I was always picked on for "not reacting properly". So to me Wind Whistler represents all autistic kids out there in that episode, and I guess that's one reason why I love her.

My childhood favourite was Revolt of Paradise Estate. Wind Whistler isn't in that, but Paradise and Sweetie and Baby Cuddles are lovely in it.

G1 is quite creepy-dark on occasion, when you stop and think about the implications of some of the episodes. Stealing shadows and sucking out youth and so on...
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on November 29, 2015, 05:19:09 PM
And someone plagued with bad luck was wrecking the place with his presence.  Bounty Hunters tore a path through the convicts they were chasing sucked it dry of nutrients.  Yeah, they wrecked Dream Valley more often than they wreck Ponyville on FiM.

Wind Whistler is definitely what they use to call Asperger's Syndrome (now they just call it high functioning autism).  She was a hero to the Aspies of the world (the reason why that fanfiction enraged me on such a personal level as it felt like an attack on what I am).

I actually like much of what the U.K. comic did better as well.  Though, it also had more of it.  Though, I like to blend Shady and Gusty's U.K. and U.S. personalities as they make for more interesting character development.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Sunset on November 29, 2015, 05:40:18 PM
Have you watched Rescue at Midnight Castle yet?  It is my absolute favorite in addition to being the very first mlp special ever.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Sapphire-Light on November 29, 2015, 05:58:03 PM
I really enjoy the Bright Lights episodes, that's why I made a Knight Shade custom is in my avatar  ^.^

Also Flight to cloud castle is very good, is an episode I didn't watched as a child, only now when I got into the internet
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Taffeta on November 29, 2015, 06:04:03 PM
And someone plagued with bad luck was wrecking the place with his presence.  Bounty Hunters tore a path through the convicts they were chasing sucked it dry of nutrients.  Yeah, they wrecked Dream Valley more often than they wreck Ponyville on FiM.

Those were the 1980s. Someone put together a montage of Jem clips where violent and reckless things happened a while ago. Stuff you wouldn't see now. I think MLP is the same. There is a lot of subtext, some of which you really don't see 100% until you're older xD. (Like Katrina/drugs)

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Wind Whistler is definitely what they use to call Asperger's Syndrome (now they just call it high functioning autism).  She was a hero to the Aspies of the world (the reason why that fanfiction enraged me on such a personal level as it felt like an attack on what I am).
No clue what fanfic you're talking about but suspect greatly that I have zero interest in reading it ;)

(Most people I know still use the Aspie definition. Because ASD is too wide a term. HFA is the older term, and people never did decide if HFA was the same as Asperger's. Meh. As you say, Wind Whistler is an Aspie icon either way :) She's awesome :)

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Though, it also had more of it.  Though, I like to blend Shady and Gusty's U.K. and U.S. personalities as they make for more interesting character development.
I dislike the US depiction of both of them, to be honest. Especially Gusty, because of her bullying WW in Crunch. Though the one that annoys me the most was always Magic Star, for being bossy, boring and a nonevent. A far cry from the "Most magical pony in all ponyland" that I grew up with. I found it really hard to identify with characters that were that diverse from the comics, except for Wind Whistler, who was lovely. Paradise was my favourite, though, probably in part because of the Revolt ep, and in part because she never had a UK personality to contradict ;)

Flight to Cloud Castle, is that the one with SS Twilight in it..? I think that's the ep that wasn't released in the UK for a long long time on VHS, if it was at all...I might be misremembering though?
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on November 29, 2015, 06:32:22 PM
No clue what fanfic you're talking about but suspect greatly that I have zero interest in reading it ;)
It's a G1 leads to G4 story.  It made Wind Whistler into essentially a malfunctioning robot.
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(Most people I know still use the Aspie definition. Because ASD is too wide a term. HFA is the older term, and people never did decide if HFA was the same as Asperger's. Meh.
That might be the case in the U.K.  Here they've gone back to HFA.
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As you say, Wind Whistler is an Aspie icon either way :) She's awesome :)
That she is.  Though, I like to think she sings as a hobby.  Sarah Partridge (the woman who voiced her) actually transitioned from an actress to a singer.
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I dislike the US depiction of both of them, to be honest. Especially Gusty, because of her bullying WW in Crunch.
I changed the bullying to be more defensiveness and a front of being rough and tough.  She wants to defend those she cares for.  That is why she takes interest in nursing.  She also loves fall when she can blow leaves into piles and jump in them.  I also have her having a crippling fear of heights.
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Though the one that annoys me the most was always Magic Star, for being bossy, boring and a nonevent. A far cry from the "Most magical pony in all ponyland" that I grew up with.
Magic Coins tried to get closer to that with her ability to sense the innate "luck" of a place and having a collection of lucky and magical artifacts.  I like the idea she is magical but through collecting, studying, and using artifacts.
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I found it really hard to identify with characters that were that diverse from the comics, except for Wind Whistler, who was lovely. Paradise was my favourite, though, probably in part because of the Revolt ep, and in part because she never had a UK personality to contradict ;)
She was also a great pony too.  Best pony storyteller.
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Flight to Cloud Castle, is that the one with SS Twilight in it..? I think that's the ep that wasn't released in the UK for a long long time on VHS, if it was at all...I might be misremembering though?
Flight to Cloud Castle is the one with SS Twilight.  Don't mention it around LadyMoondancer, it is as much an anger point for her The Glass Princess is for me.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Sparkle Pony on November 29, 2015, 06:58:18 PM
Ah, I love the episode Crunch the Rockdog!  That is definitely an episode with a moral that is rarely seen but very important I think.  Wind Whistler is such a great character~

I think the G1 stuff is tons of fun, gotta love what they could get away with back then.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Mermaid on November 29, 2015, 11:19:13 PM
Return of tambelon and sonnambula (sp?) were two of my favorites!!

I love ribbon!
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: PoseyPetals on November 30, 2015, 04:21:48 AM
I watched Crunch the Rockdog and Mish Mash Melee today - I enjoyed them a lot!
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Niwalime on November 30, 2015, 04:27:38 AM
Yayy! This makes me want to re-watch some of the good old stuff! I wonder how it will feel watching them in english, hihi :heart:
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Ponyfan on November 30, 2015, 06:37:48 AM
Some of the episodes are really good but some of them are better than others.

In the End of Fluttery Valley Bumble captured the flutter ponies and tried to make Flutter Valley a more suitable home for bees.   

Bright Lights was one of the episodes that I didn't like. There were too many  major animation errors 


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Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Sparkle Pony on November 30, 2015, 04:19:47 PM
Bright Lights was one of the episodes that I didn't like. There were too many  major animation errors 
That's half the fun though!  I always loved the animation errors where and episode ends and then in the next episode suddenly the minor characters or environment look totally different.  I remember that happening in Bright Lights with the mice villagers and in The End of Flutter Valley with the hole they were digging.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Taffeta on November 30, 2015, 04:25:23 PM
Bright Lights was one of the episodes that I didn't like. There were too many  major animation errors 
That's half the fun though!  I always loved the animation errors where and episode ends and then in the next episode suddenly the minor characters or environment look totally different.  I remember that happening in Bright Lights with the mice villagers and in The End of Flutter Valley with the hole they were digging.

I like when ponies randomly change into other ponies in scenes. That always amused me lots as a kid.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on November 30, 2015, 04:26:51 PM
Yeah.  That's like watching the original Star Trek and seeing how the Gorn looked.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: LadyMoondancer on November 30, 2015, 05:04:46 PM
I remember the mouse cops in Bright Lights are drawn completely differently in each segment.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on November 30, 2015, 05:10:01 PM
They couldn't decide of the constable or one of the citizens came with the mayor.  And the constable was fat and the random citizen was lanky to boot.  And let's not forget losing track of who had their shadow taken.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: scarletjul on November 30, 2015, 09:25:46 PM
I :heart: Wind Whistler.  :). Love Crunch the Rock Dog and Sonambula.

I also like the Magic Coins but I always found Megab's singing silly in that episode.  We're practically dying of thirst, there's no water and now you want to sing?  Ok, kid.  :)
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Ponyfan on November 30, 2015, 11:45:26 PM
I know spotting the errors can be fun, but Bright Lights seems to have more than most.  Everyone being trapped in the mousetrap on their backs to changing positions when the next episode started was one that stood out to me as well as the rat changing many times.

Spike's line about Megan's song in The Magic Coins is good "Great now we're tired and thirsty!"


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Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Mirnyj on December 01, 2015, 05:32:16 AM
It's so nice to hear that you are enjoying the G1 cartoon.  ^.^
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 01, 2015, 07:38:24 AM
Some of my favorites are

MLP the Movie- A lot of people bash it, but I love Reeka, Draggle and the Smooze,  the intro to Megan's siblings, the music,the comedy, the intro of the Flutter ponies and Shady. She was always the Charlie Brown of the group and I identified with her, since I'm a highly sensitive person and got bullied a lot.

The Glass Princess-Another non fan favorite, I like Porcina. She may not be menacing, but she wasn't forced to change her selfish ways, her compassion won out and she genuinely started feeling bad on her own.

Bright Lights-I love Nightshade and Arabus is such an underrated villain.

The Magic Coins-fantastic episode.

Baby Its Cold Outside-Chilly Willy was mean and crappy as a father and a sentient being, I predict that there was a coup not too long after in favor of the compassionate young Prince, King Midas was immediately horrified while King Charlatan tried to continue playing the cruel tyrant until he was lyrically brow beat into showing he was more upset then he let on. I liked his son though, he's a good kid.

Crunch the Rockdog-great characterization of Wind Whistler, one of my favorite characters.

The Revolt of Paradise Estate-Beezen is a crummy villain, but iloved the episode anyway, especially with Baby Cuddles.

The Golden Horseshoes-I love Mimic (just not her toy) and this was such a sad episode.

Flight to Cloud Castle-it had Locket and Twilight and Lofty! Three of my favorite Pegasus and I enjoyed how they used their wits to outsmart the castle. Who said Wind Whistler was the only brainy pony?

Somnambula-She is another underrated villain, when you grow up with classic, frightening Fairy Tales, she intrigues you more then Tirek, who is just generic evil guy, plus the Big Brother ponies! Yay!
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on December 01, 2015, 08:12:59 AM
The Glass Princess is dead to me.  Porcena will commit mass murder to make more glass in the world (she's surrounded by it in her stronghold already) just to look at herself.  However, she suddenly has a conscience when you're face to face with her?  If that wasn't bad enough, we had the worst pony rescue party of the series as Shady and Molly were able to evade their detection by walking out in the open six feet behind them.  And we're supposed to take this all seriously.  Watching that episode was as pleasant as oral surgery with a jackhammer.

The episode that doesn't deserve hate is The Great Rainbow Caper.  They make a Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference and fully embraced the silliness of the situation.  Also, it was just one episode.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 01, 2015, 08:19:55 AM
Eh. To each their own right Al? :)
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: LadyMoondancer on December 01, 2015, 10:48:48 AM
I dunno, I think Porcina's reactions were spot on.  People are good at ignoring the suffering of others when it's an abstract idea and they don't have to see it directly.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on December 01, 2015, 11:51:09 AM
I dunno, I think Porcina's reactions were spot on.  People are good at ignoring the suffering of others when it's an abstract idea and they don't have to see it directly.
Maybe when being a passive observer with no control over the situation.  Not when you're purposefully pushing the proverbial button to cause the suffering.  It didn't work in Digimon Adventure 02, and it didn't work here.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Harmony on December 01, 2015, 11:58:30 AM
Gosh, it's so hard to decide what my favorites are! I think the movies Rescue at Midnight Castle and Escape from Catrina are my all-time favorites, with Crunch, Somnambula, Bright Lights, The Magic Coins and The Golden Horseshoes ranking up there too!

For favorite G1 ponies from the series, it's gotta be Wind Whistler hands down, with a bunch of others being just as loved. I'll admit, I have a super soft spot for the relationship between Slugger and Buttons in Somnambula. XD

I'm so glad the G1 cartoon is just being enjoyed! I love it so much, horrible mistakes and cheesiness and all!
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Taffeta on December 01, 2015, 01:15:58 PM
I dunno, I think Porcina's reactions were spot on.  People are good at ignoring the suffering of others when it's an abstract idea and they don't have to see it directly.

I think the modern day analogy is that people will say anything to people online because they don't see that person's face or reaction, but they might not say it to their face, or if they did, seeing the reaction might make them see it differently. Vaguely off topic but I heard of one program somewhere where criminals were taught empathy with their victims and once they learned how it made the victim feel, they often became quite upset at what they'd done. Porcina just operates on a really complex level for a kid's cartoon. (I dislike US animated Shady though, so this ep isn't big for me).

I have a weird thing with MLP the movie. It played zero part in my childhood, but for some reason when I came online, it (along with Rescue at Midnight Castle) seemed to have some kind of cult status. So I watched it, but I really didn't like the plot. I think Morning Glory is adorable, but I have issues with the characterisation of most of the ponies vis a vis their comic representations, so yeah, I never got to love it. I DO love the smooze song though. I had a student last year who was into G4, and when smooze appeared in FIM, he went and looked up the original. We were talking about it and I said, nothing can stop the smooze, and he grinned at me triumphantly and said, "except the flutter ponies!" (I was so proud of him xD)

My childhood consisted of only the four episodes - Ice Cream Wars which I like to quote the silly accents in and which my mother dreads the name of, having watched it to death when I was six -  as I mentioned, Revolt of Paradise Estate (from which comes my love of Paradise), Sweet Stuff and the Treasure Hunt (which I liked except that the name Sweet Stuff really annoyed me, I kept telling my mother they got it wrong xD) and The Would Be Dragon Slayer. (Weird ep.)

All the others I saw later, so I have a different kind of feel for them. But I would say Somnambula is a great ep. The themes are brilliant, even if the Brother ponies' names jar with me and their accents/vocab is a bit cringy. I like the dark elements in some of the MLP eps.

There probably isn't an ep I *hate* but I find Woe Is Me boring.

My sister always loved Bright Lights best. When she was six or seven we found a VHS with three hours of pony eps on which she had, and she watched it a lot (I saw a lot of the other eps through this too), but Bright Lights was her favourite. (I guess her love of zombies and such kinda began then..with the shadowless ponies of whatever the town is called...)

Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Sparkle Pony on December 01, 2015, 03:42:53 PM
I dunno, I think Porcina's reactions were spot on.  People are good at ignoring the suffering of others when it's an abstract idea and they don't have to see it directly.
Maybe when being a passive observer with no control over the situation.  Not when you're purposefully pushing the proverbial button to cause the suffering.  It didn't work in Digimon Adventure 02, and it didn't work here.
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No, no Fiona.  This is a pony forum not a Digimon forum, keep it together.

On topic though, I do think that Porcina was done pretty well as a villain.  Once people are directly confronted with the consequences of their actions on real people, it suddenly can become a lot harder not to hesitate.  I enjoyed it, plus this episode has the surreal moment of watching ponies work in a sweatshop making clothes out of their own hair.  Oh, the 80s must have been crazy...
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Strawberry Swirl on December 01, 2015, 04:32:28 PM
Yes. Yes! YES! Y E S!!
Finally more people who are on this
autistic Wind Whistler train!!!

Seriously though I started this whole thing hating her? And I don't understand why...? Because she's literally the best. I think we need to pick a day each year to be Appreciate Wind Whistler Day.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: sparkykandy on December 01, 2015, 05:03:50 PM
Never grew up with the G1 cartoon, but I do think that it's better than Friendship is Magic in various areas.  That being said and all, count me in the Wind Whistler is one of my favorite characters train.  I also like Heartthrob just because how romancey she is.

As for favorite episode, it's probably "Fugitive Flowers" for me.  I blame Optimus Crab.  :P
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on December 01, 2015, 05:25:43 PM
Those crabs.  I actually named them all when I reviewed that episode.  Captain (Optimus) Crab, Second, Stink Eye, Low Rider, and Bob.

And yay for the Wind Whistler love.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 01, 2015, 05:58:06 PM
Never grew up with the G1 cartoon, but I do think that it's better than Friendship is Magic in various areas.  That being said and all, count me in the Wind Whistler is one of my favorite characters train.  I also like Heartthrob just because how romancey she is.

As for favorite episode, it's probably "Fugitive Flowers" for me.  I blame Optimus Crab.  :P

Tee hee. Lobtimus Prime.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Wildshadow on December 01, 2015, 09:25:19 PM
Of course I'd love The Great Rainbow Caper, my favorite pair are the stars in it! XD "can you tell me what this is over here?!"

Another fave of mine is Spike's Search! Love how they didn't have to rely on showing the ponies all the time and such ^.~ Which Spike makes my duo into a trio! I enjoyed the song him and Weston sings in that episode.

I love the songs in the episodes and LOVE that, well as far as I know, the voice actors also sang their parts instead of getting someone else to sing it, makes the characters feel more real to me. Which makes me sad with FiM getting someone else to sing parts. Also I loved singing as a kid, even though I knew I didn't sound too great, so hearing slight imperfections in the singing in the episodes made it feel right XD Still love trying to mimic each character singing =D

Anyway! I love so many of the episodes I usually say I love them all XD I know most of them by heart =3
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Taffeta on December 01, 2015, 09:40:54 PM
Yes. Yes! YES! Y E S!!
Finally more people who are on this
autistic Wind Whistler train!!!

Been there a long time ;) although I very much doubt in the 80s it had that connotation, esp since the Aspie diagnosis didn't really exist till the 90s (sort of like the patronising Jem ep about learning to read, in which to me Roxy is clearly dyslexic).

I do not remember any crabs. I guess it shows which eps I remember and which I don't ;) Now I want to watch it though!

I'm pretty sure the voice artists did sing for the ponies. Some of the singing is a bit awful though ;) I also find it ironic that some of the speaking voice artists from Jem sing for MLP - and other things - just fine, but not for Jem...lots of crossovers there!
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Lore-Lei on December 01, 2015, 11:11:07 PM
Never grew up with the G1 cartoon, but I do think that it's better than Friendship is Magic in various areas.  That being said and all, count me in the Wind Whistler is one of my favorite characters train.  I also like Heartthrob just because how romancey she is.

As for favorite episode, it's probably "Fugitive Flowers" for me.  I blame Optimus Crab.  :P

Tee hee. Lobtimus Prime.
Oh God, my stomach. I think I found which episode I'll watch next.

The Revolt of Paradise Estate-Beezen is a crummy villain, but iloved the episode anyway, especially with Baby Cuddles.
Agreed. Watched it yesterday and it was great, if grossly exaggerated with the whole 'Paradise Estate needs renovation' thing.
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On a side-note, who thought it was a good idea to give Cheeries Jubilee that voice? It sounds dreadful.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on December 02, 2015, 03:05:31 AM
"BOOM BOOM BOOM"

The condition of Paradise Estate (and it being Paradise's job to fix it) is more in line with Paradise's backcard story that it's an abandoned manor Paradise and North Star run across than the movie's origin story for it (the Moochic conjured it).

They didn't really have a name for it, but people knew the asocial intellectual archtype.  The one who was academically brilliant but inept in social situations.  They just hadn't discovered it was caused by differences in the brain like autism.  So, Aspie Wind Whistler still has some weight.

Have you gotten to through the door where we learn of Heart Throb's...taste?
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Wildshadow on December 02, 2015, 05:55:26 AM
Loved that part with Paradise going "BOOM-A"! Always wanted an animated Livejournal icon of that part when it was on her doing that XD

Aww I love Cherries Jubilee's voice, very different ^.^ OH NO! Now I have the Fresh Coat Of Paint song in my head D= I'll have to listen to it again XD have to sing all the songs!
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Lore-Lei on December 02, 2015, 07:07:25 AM
"BOOM BOOM BOOM"

The condition of Paradise Estate (and it being Paradise's job to fix it) is more in line with Paradise's backcard story that it's an abandoned manor Paradise and North Star run across than the movie's origin story for it (the Moochic conjured it).

Have you gotten to through the door where we learn of Heart Throb's...taste?
Yeah, that sounds a lot better to me as well. As for Through the Door, no, not yet.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 02, 2015, 08:00:53 AM
"BOOM BOOM BOOM"

The condition of Paradise Estate (and it being Paradise's job to fix it) is more in line with Paradise's backcard story that it's an abandoned manor Paradise and North Star run across than the movie's origin story for it (the Moochic conjured it).

They didn't really have a name for it, but people knew the asocial intellectual archtype.  The one who was academically brilliant but inept in social situations.  They just hadn't discovered it was caused by differences in the brain like autism.  So, Aspie Wind Whistler still has some weight.

Have you gotten to through the door where we learn of Heart Throb's...taste?

I have always hated Through the Door, its personally one of my least favorite episodes.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Wildshadow on December 02, 2015, 08:43:34 AM
When I first saw Discord I automatically thought of the dragon that was the monster they where afraid of in  Through The Door.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on December 02, 2015, 11:23:46 AM
I have always hated Through the Door, its personally one of my least favorite episodes.
It's a bad car accident.  It's terrible.  It's horrific.  However, it's so terrible and horrific you can't help but watch this spectacle of awful writing.  You can't believe it's that bad.  You can't believe they really go there.  You have to see it for yourself.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 02, 2015, 11:59:54 AM
I have always hated Through the Door, its personally one of my least favorite episodes.
It's a bad car accident.  It's terrible.  It's horrific.  However, it's so terrible and horrific you can't help but watch this spectacle of awful writing.  You can't believe it's that bad.  You can't believe they really go there.  You have to see it for yourself.

  :lol: I think that accurately describes Ice Cream Wars too.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on December 02, 2015, 12:13:43 PM
Ironically both are written by David Wise, the man who brought us the Decepticons getting "over charged" among other things.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 02, 2015, 12:30:42 PM
 :haha: But of course, Baby Ponies get sugar highs and Cybertronians get wasted. Oh Hasbro Land, what interesting Capers will you think of next?
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Sapphire-Light on December 02, 2015, 01:40:34 PM
I have always hated Through the Door, its personally one of my least favorite episodes.
It's a bad car accident.  It's terrible.  It's horrific.  However, it's so terrible and horrific you can't help but watch this spectacle of awful writing.  You can't believe it's that bad.  You can't believe they really go there.  You have to see it for yourself.


LOL, I get the point that the writers tried to introduce classical book characters, but instead they show little girls how  centaurs could be made  :lol:
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 02, 2015, 01:43:24 PM
I have always hated Through the Door, its personally one of my least favorite episodes.
It's a bad car accident.  It's terrible.  It's horrific.  However, it's so terrible and horrific you can't help but watch this spectacle of awful writing.  You can't believe it's that bad.  You can't believe they really go there.  You have to see it for yourself.


LOL, I get the point that the writers tried to introduce classical book characters, but instead they show little girls how  centaurs could be made  :lol:


Lol! :haha:
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: reanna-mator on December 02, 2015, 03:52:29 PM
I have always hated Through the Door, its personally one of my least favorite episodes.
It's a bad car accident.  It's terrible.  It's horrific.  However, it's so terrible and horrific you can't help but watch this spectacle of awful writing.  You can't believe it's that bad.  You can't believe they really go there.  You have to see it for yourself.


LOL, I get the point that the writers tried to introduce classical book characters, but instead they show little girls how  centaurs could be made  :lol:


Lol! :haha:

Maybe I'm the odd one out. I really like that one. I have a list of favorite episodes, and it is there, with a star, though I can't remember what the star meant at the time I made the list. :P I think it's a fun episode, despite its flaws. A lot of G1 episodes are like that. ;)

For anyone wondering... here's the list.

The Glass Princess*
Pony Puppy
Bright Lights*
The Return of Tambelon*
The Magic Coins*
Mish Mash Melee
Woe Is Me
The Fugitive Flowers*
Would Be Dragonslayer
Baby Its Cold Outside*
Through the Door*
Rescue from Midnight Castle*
Somnambula*
The Prince and the Ponies
Escape from Catrina*
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Sparkle Pony on December 02, 2015, 04:41:17 PM
I absolutely love The Return of Tambelon, those episodes are some of my favorites from G1.  Nothing like learning how to wage guerilla warfare with colorful ponies.
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Post by: Lore-Lei on December 02, 2015, 10:39:27 PM
I have always hated Through the Door, its personally one of my least favorite episodes.
It's a bad car accident.  It's terrible.  It's horrific.  However, it's so terrible and horrific you can't help but watch this spectacle of awful writing.  You can't believe it's that bad.  You can't believe they really go there.  You have to see it for yourself.


LOL, I get the point that the writers tried to introduce classical book characters, but instead they show little girls how  centaurs could be made  :lol:
So, Heart Throb was an overused Lyra meme before that overused Lyra meme became so overused? Ironically, I also thought of Heartstrings as a hopeless romantic, without the human factor of course.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on December 03, 2015, 02:24:15 AM
You also have Prince Omniphile Buttchin in that episode.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Lore-Lei on December 03, 2015, 05:42:49 AM
You also have Prince Omniphile Buttchin in that episode.
Glad I'm not the only one who realized that his chin looked like a butt.  :lol:
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: LadyMoondancer on December 03, 2015, 08:21:59 AM
Ironically both are written by David Wise, the man who brought us the Decepticons getting "over charged" among other things.

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Legitimately my favorite moment in G1 Transformers.  Laserbeak plowing into the ground gets me every time.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: reanna-mator on December 03, 2015, 08:23:08 AM
You also have Prince Omniphile Buttchin in that episode.

:rofl:
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 03, 2015, 08:49:58 AM
I like Quest of the Princess Ponies. FiM Spike is treated like a personal slave, the original Spike can use his brain and take charge when the situation calls for it. It also showed character growth from spoiled brats to them starting to take their duties seriously. King Lavan is so freakin cool.

I never liked Escape From Catrina or Rescue at Midnight Castle that much. I think Catrina and Tirek are boring villains. I liked Rep though and Tammy Grimes as Catrina's voice actress is perfect. Also, Baby Moondancer is ten diferent kinds of cute. They both had some good songs.

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Ironically both are written by David Wise, the man who brought us the Decepticons getting "over charged" among other things.

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Legitimately my favorite moment in G1 Transformers.  Laserbeak plowing into the ground gets me every time.

I haven't seen that episode. :haha:
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: LadyMoondancer on December 03, 2015, 09:42:40 AM
Ironically both are written by David Wise, the man who brought us the Decepticons getting "over charged" among other things.

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Legitimately my favorite moment in G1 Transformers.  Laserbeak plowing into the ground gets me every time.

I haven't seen that episode. :haha:

It's a lot like "Crunch the Rock Dog" except instead of Buttons making fun of Wind Whistler for not having feelings, Brawn makes fun of Perceptor for being a wimp (because Perceptor stays at the base and does science stuff while the other Autobots fight). 

Perceptor and Wind Whistler are pretty much the same character, "the smart one who uses big words".  Brawn is like . . . if Gusty had a gun.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on December 03, 2015, 09:46:56 AM
Ironically both are written by David Wise, the man who brought us the Decepticons getting "over charged" among other things.

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Legitimately my favorite moment in G1 Transformers.  Laserbeak plowing into the ground gets me every time.
And at that the moment Shock Wave is probably thinking, "You idiots.  We need that energon to rebuild our forces here on Cybertron, and you're using it to get high."

Perceptor and Wind Whistler are pretty much the same character, "the smart one who uses big words".  Brawn is like . . . if Gusty had a gun.
Gusty has wind magic if that counts for anything.

Now we need fanart of Wind Whistler using Perceptor to look at something and Gusty riding around in Brawn.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Taffeta on December 03, 2015, 11:25:54 AM
I have always hated Through the Door, its personally one of my least favorite episodes.
It's a bad car accident.  It's terrible.  It's horrific.  However, it's so terrible and horrific you can't help but watch this spectacle of awful writing.  You can't believe it's that bad.  You can't believe they really go there.  You have to see it for yourself.

  :lol: I think that accurately describes Ice Cream Wars too.

Random odd fact for the day. I don't know for sure if it has any direct relevance, but there were "Ice Cream Wars" in Glasgow in 1982. Not remotely funny, I hasten to add, since they involved some nasty stuff going on, but I do wonder, based on the badly pseudo Scots accent of Fudgy, whether there was aaany connection in here somewhere?

I am ashamed to admit I can quote large sections of Revolt of PE and Ice Cream Wars still xD.

In terms of bad plot, there are some Jem eps like this. Some are unforgivably bad (Renaissance Woman...omg, don't even go there, it offends me both as a historian and a British person, LOL) but others, like Journey to ShangriLa, I generally have the following mantra.

Don't let the lack of a plot get in the way of your enjoyment of such eps. ShangriLa has a stupid premise but it also has hilarious animation errors and some pretty decent Misfit interaction, so that makes it for me. With Ice Cream Wars, all I needed as a kid to love it was the fact Baby Tic Tac Toe (a pony I owned!) was in it. (And Baby Lickety says her name so emphatically). That and the terrible but somehow awesome line...
"So yee preteeend to be me freend so ye can abuuuuse me in this wayy!"
Sunbow owed the whole of Scotland an apology just for that one moment.

Revolt of PE is pure class though I agree about CJ's voice. Another PONY I HAD. Maybe that was my subconscious reason for writing her and Paradise as friends in my stories. Who knows.

Paradise is voiced by Sue Blu. It's an awesome voice for the role. "...but the giant had giant steps: BOOM BOOM BOOM!"
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on December 03, 2015, 01:12:26 PM
I thought Fudgy was supposed to be Irish and was a play on Gini McSwain (the series voice director).

One minor irritation with the series is the fact Megan was turned into the ponies' den mother and they require her leadership.  She's a 13 year old girl from Somewhere, USA.  How is she better equipped to deal with the world the ponies have lived their entire lives in?
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Taffeta on December 03, 2015, 01:52:42 PM
I thought Fudgy was supposed to be Irish and was a play on Gini McSwain (the series voice director).

One minor irritation with the series is the fact Megan was turned into the ponies' den mother and they require her leadership.  She's a 13 year old girl from Somewhere, USA.  How is she better equipped to deal with the world the ponies have lived their entire lives in?

In that case the accent is even worse than I thought, since to Mother and I both it sounded like mangled Scottish. O.o.

Emphasis on the mangled, though.

And lots of pony kids hate Megan for exactly that reason. Me included. She had to be rescued in the first ten seconds of arriving, pretty much. Ponies were desperate.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on December 03, 2015, 04:40:52 PM
Firefly was probably thinking, "You can talk?  I guess that's good enough on such short notice."  Megan was only useful in Midnight Castle when she remembered her incredible superpower of opposable thumbs to open the rainbow's locket.

However, even as early as Escape from Catrina, she became Little Miss Perfect who the ponies listened to without question.

Wind Whistler:  We can't do anything for Gusty now.
Truly:  You have no feelings.
Megan:  Wind Whistler is right.
Truly:  Since you said it, Megan.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Taffeta on December 03, 2015, 04:49:55 PM
Firefly was probably thinking, "You can talk?  I guess that's good enough on such short notice."  Megan was only useful in Midnight Castle when she remembered her incredible superpower of opposable thumbs to open the rainbow's locket.

However, even as early as Escape from Catrina, she became Little Miss Perfect who the ponies listened to without question.



I don't think the thumbs were that big a deal. In the comics, Gingerbread and Sweetie never let it stop them from compulsive baking.

I think that was the irritating thing about Megan. Her know it all leader position. I didn't ever feel so hostile to Molly or Danny. I never had Megan and Sundance as a kid; I think the key thing there was that I never WANTED them as a kid, because Megan annoyed me. And I wanted most ponies as a kid, so that says a lot.

Another plus for the comics for me. Less know-all Megan. In fact, I think when Megan did appear in the comics - which was rare, as Majesty was in charge - she really wasn't much of a knowall at all.

Thinking back, it's a bit odd, isn't it, that Firefly chose Megan (a human, presumably not a species in Ponyland, albeit humanoid creatures exist there) and didn't try to bring T.J over the Rainbow...

Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 03, 2015, 05:11:04 PM
Firefly was probably thinking, "You can talk?  I guess that's good enough on such short notice."  Megan was only useful in Midnight Castle when she remembered her incredible superpower of opposable thumbs to open the rainbow's locket.

However, even as early as Escape from Catrina, she became Little Miss Perfect who the ponies listened to without question.



I don't think the thumbs were that big a deal. In the comics, Gingerbread and Sweetie never let it stop them from compulsive baking.

I think that was the irritating thing about Megan. Her know it all leader position. I didn't ever feel so hostile to Molly or Danny. I never had Megan and Sundance as a kid; I think the key thing there was that I never WANTED them as a kid, because Megan annoyed me. And I wanted most ponies as a kid, so that says a lot.

Another plus for the comics for me. Less know-all Megan. In fact, I think when Megan did appear in the comics - which was rare, as Majesty was in charge - she really wasn't much of a knowall at all.

Thinking back, it's a bit odd, isn't it, that Firefly chose Megan (a human, presumably not a species in Ponyland, albeit humanoid creatures exist there) and didn't try to bring T.J over the Rainbow...

What you guys see as Den Mother. I see different.

Megan was every kids fantasy. Meeting friends from far off places and becoming a hero or ally to them as you have incredible adventures together even though sometimes things didnt always go right. It nurtures the spirit of adventure and imagination

She was there for the same reason boys n girls tied bandanas around their heads and kicked butt with the ninja turtles, or sprained their ankles because they were a Thundercat.

Dinosaucers did it, Care Bears did it, Biker Mice, Transformers and Gargoyles did it. Why bash only MLP for a Very Common Theme in cartoons and even literature, that happens even today?

Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: LadyMoondancer on December 03, 2015, 06:00:13 PM
It seemed slightly different in MLP compared to, say, G1 Transformers in that those humans were mostly there for exposition ("Let us tell you about Cybertron, Spike") and to get held hostage so that the Autobots would have an excuse to kick butt.  Even though humans were the Autobots' friends and taught them tidbits about Earth, they were never in charge. Or in Gummi Bears the human kids would help, yes, but they were also often got into trouble or have to learn a lesson, because kids naturally make mistakes.  Megan really did seem like the de facto pony leader (weird) and was just too perfect.

Except in Rescue at Midnight Castle, where she sort of uncertain and had an inferiority complex.  I liked her fine in that.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 03, 2015, 06:03:45 PM
Like I said, Hero or Ally. :)
The Ponies could also solve some of their own problems without her direct interference.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Wildshadow on December 03, 2015, 06:14:34 PM

What you guys see as Den Mother. I see different.

Megan was every kids fantasy. Meeting friends from far off places and becoming a hero or ally to them as you have incredible adventures together even though sometimes things didnt always go right. It nurtures the spirit of adventure and imagination

She was there for the same reason boys n girls tied bandanas around their heads and kicked butt with the ninja turtles, or sprained their ankles because they were a Thundercat.

Dinosaucers did it, Care Bears did it, Biker Mice, Transformers and Gargoyles did it. Why bash only MLP for a Very Common Theme in cartoons and even literature, that happens even today?

I guess I took it like that without knowing it at the time XD I didn't care if Megan was there, I was just "YAY PONIES!" and went with it heh.

And I read that as bananas instead of bandanas XD
I remember using string since we didn't have bandanas to be the turtles but only had pastel colors so we were "female" turtles, pink was Raphael for me XD
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 03, 2015, 06:35:09 PM
Lol! That'd be great if a whole bunch of kids tied bananas around their foreheads.  :snicker:

It's cute that you were girl ninja turtles. : ^.^
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Ponyfan on December 03, 2015, 07:13:54 PM
Didn't Firefly leave Ponyland to get help because the ponies weren't able to stop Scorpan and the dragons from kidnapping them? As Lady Moondancer pointed out in Rescue at Midnight Castle Megan wasn't confident at first that she could help the ponies and even told Firefly that on the way back to Ponyland. 

Also in the Golden Horseshoes didn't the ponies get Megan to help Mimic when they realized that Mimic was sick with some kind of illness they'd never seen before? Maybe they tried to help Mimic on  their own first before they got Megan.


Ponyfan
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on December 03, 2015, 07:14:07 PM
It seemed slightly different in MLP compared to, say, G1 Transformers in that those humans were mostly there for exposition ("Let us tell you about Cybertron, Spike") and to get held hostage so that the Autobots would have an excuse to kick butt.  Even though humans were the Autobots' friends and taught them tidbits about Earth, they were never in charge.
Spike, Sparkplug and Chip were also engineers and technicians who could help the Autobots on the projects.  However, it was clear Optimus Prime and the Autobots were the one in charge, and they were there to assist.

I see Megan as not being a know it all and in fact being rather naive about this world.  Though, she works towards something.  I pictured her becoming the Weather Witches apprentices so she could lend something to the ponies' adventures.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Lore-Lei on December 04, 2015, 12:37:20 AM
While Meghan doesn't bother me most of the time when watching these I, uh, can actually see both parties' points. She does come off as a tool to tell the ponies and the audience what they're going to do, and to have obvious responses to things. This makes her a bit too normal for me to have any charm. There are other characters that can do her role, and do it with much more personality to it. Wind Whistler, Galaxy, Magic Star, Ribbons, these girls could handle the leadership with much more life to them.

Problem here is that Meghan herself doesn't face any conflict in terms of character. Everybody agrees with her, everybody follows her, there's literally noone her views could clash against, or if there is, the conflict coming from that is resolved immediately since, as I said, everybody agrees with her.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Taffeta on December 04, 2015, 02:48:45 AM

Problem here is that Meghan herself doesn't face any conflict in terms of character. Everybody agrees with her, everybody follows her, there's literally noone her views could clash against, or if there is, the conflict coming from that is resolved immediately since, as I said, everybody agrees with her.

The term "MarySue" springs to mind.

I guess considering how popular M&S were when onsale, there must have been people who identified with her, for sure. I don't remember anyone feeling that way about her when I was a kid though.

Back then I think part of it was jealousy that she got to go to Ponyland and we didn't, because, obviously, I'm sure many kids wanted to go to ponyland and even believed in it when they were four or five.

Now, as an adult, I find I dislike her on a different level, and it's the one Lore-Lei and LM have both highlighted. Characters exist to be challenged. We were already talking about Wind Whistler and Gusty etc in Crunch the Rock Dog. In Sweet Stuff & the Treasure Hunt, Sweetie is basically a doormat at the beginning, until she learns her place. I really like Whizzer in that ep as well - zipping all over the place, she seems quite socially awkward and not much of a team player, and that makes her very "human".

By contrast Megan never seemed "human", even though she was. Although she lacks confidence in Rescue at Midnight Castle, I get a bit annoyed with her when she says "lets go and save our friends" or some such line. She's known them ten minutes, and yet they're now her friends too. I know it's a kid's show and that's how it works, but it's that assumption on her part that she's "part" of the family. Yes, Firefly brought her there, but the Moochick gives the Rainbow of Light TO HER, not to the ponies, like she supersedes them in status because she is human and not pony. All that story needed to make all of that make sense was an undercurrent of plot stating a legend of the Rainbow of Light that could only be wielded by a "little girl" from the Other World. That would have made Firefly's going logical, Megan having the Rainbow, logical...instead we have Firefly picking up the first random kid she sees, probably because she has a horse, and it goes on from there.

In short, bad character depth and definition in my opinion. But I'm also having trouble really remembering her in the UK comic. I really feel that she was a non-event who, if she did appear, barely spoke.

My sister and I both always hated her, anyway xD.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on December 04, 2015, 03:59:32 AM
I hate the term "Mary Sue" as it really doesn't explain the issue.  Megan has no conflict, and the ponies follow her without question.  That is not a character I can care about.  It doesn't help that the two week-long pilot had the ponies more or less helpless until Megan showed up.

Danny and Molly are not as annoying because they aren't as domineering.  Danny seemed to be more on the same level as the ponies, thinking things through with them rather than dictating to them.  Molly was just kind of there.  Interesting the one character not made into a toy and the token boy felt the most natural among the ponies.

Speaking of the pilot, avoid it if you have not already seen it.  It is one irritation after another.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 04, 2015, 07:02:13 AM
I hate the term "Mary Sue" as it really doesn't explain the issue.  Megan has no conflict, and the ponies follow her without question.  That is not a character I can care about.  It doesn't help that the two week-long pilot had the ponies more or less helpless until Megan showed up.

Danny and Molly are not as annoying because they aren't as domineering.  Danny seemed to be more on the same level as the ponies, thinking things through with them rather than dictating to them.  Molly was just kind of there.  Interesting the one character not made into a toy and the token boy felt the most natural among the ponies.

Speaking of the pilot, avoid it if you have not already seen it.  It is one irritation after another.

The pilot is not bad. Not my favorite but not bad. It has pretty animation and some iconic songs.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: LadyMoondancer on December 04, 2015, 08:13:34 AM
I loved the pilot, the villain and animation were amazing!  :)  I wouldn't have been upset if they hadn't written Megan into it, but I didn't mind her there either.  (Also she actually dressed like a normal farm kid there, hallelujah.)  To be honest, I was always very disappointed that the animation of the movie and MLP & Friends weren't in that animation style.  They looked so beautiful and horse-like in RaMC.

I wouldn't read "lots of kids had Megan & Sundance" as an indication that ALL those kids liked her in the show.  I mean, I'm sure some did.  But for others it would have been a case of "That doll is pretty!  So is the pony!", and that's basically as deep as it goes.  Like, I hated Megan-in-the-show as a kid, but I loooved looking at her doll in the brochures because she had a great dress and such nicely styled hair and Sundance had a really cute bridle.  Ha ha, saying it now it sounds shallow!  But with toys appearances do count for a lot.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on December 04, 2015, 08:23:10 AM
I meant The End of Flutter Valley series pilot.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: LadyMoondancer on December 04, 2015, 08:42:44 AM
Ohhh, The End of Flutter Valley!  That one seemed really repetitive to me.  The flutter ponies are caught!  Wait, they're escaping!  Wait, they're caught again!

I know a lot of people love Morning Glory, but I couldn't stand her.  "The witches just tried to catch us, but we shouldn't do anything about them. Yay, sunshine and flowers! =D  Oh no the witches caught everyone, who could have foreseen this?  D="  *Honeysuckle turns to look at the camera like she's on The Office*

The biggest thing with EoFV, though, is if the Stonebacks are just misunderstood and want to be friends . . . why did they chew through the rope bridge the ponies etc were standing on?

Be sure to watch for the anatomically correct bull in End of Flutter Valley, ha ha!  There's also a tiny nude painting in Bright Lights, in the villain's mansion.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on December 04, 2015, 08:52:12 AM
The furbobs made me want to hurt something.  Especially the resolution that resolution which again brings us to Megan.  Because she says the stonebacks want to be the furbobs' friends, suddenly they are.  Forget they tried to inflict grave bodily harm to them earlier in the episode.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Lore-Lei on December 04, 2015, 09:14:58 AM
Another thing... Where do these ponies live, actually?
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on December 04, 2015, 09:28:52 AM
The ponies live in a region called Ponyland (literally "the country of ponies") which either includes Dream Valley or is a part of Dream Valley.  The writer's guide described Ponyland as being the size of a national park suggesting the former.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Wildshadow on December 04, 2015, 09:43:46 AM
Well there goes me ever singing like Morning Glory for the "stretch yourself to the limit" in public =P love singing the song like that XD

Sad all the hate to the episodes, =P I quite enjoyed it but I guess because Surprise and Spike and lots of other things. Oooh! The 'Witch Watch' part, I smile every time I hear it. 
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 04, 2015, 09:59:39 AM
I meant The End of Flutter Valley series pilot.  Sorry.


Ohhh. My bad. Flutter Valley would have been okay if they hadn't drawn it out for ten eps. :s

I liked the Furbobs. Better then the bushwoolie hivemind. I am of the opinion that if you pair off 1 bushwoolie and 1 furbob apiece for a task, they might be able to accomplish something.

One complaint I don't understand is the animation. It's so beautiful and lush, though it did get sloppy towards the end of the series. I just don't see how Flash can compare to well done Hand Drawn.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: LadyMoondancer on December 04, 2015, 10:20:56 AM
Well there goes me ever singing like Morning Glory for the "stretch yourself to the limit" in public =P love singing the song like that XD

LOL, it's not like I'm going to be standing with arms crossed glaring at you if you sing it.  I support all collector-made stuff.  It's just a cartoon; it would be ridiculous to judge a real person because they like a cartoon character that I don't.  ;)  (I have friends who love Rick & Morty while I despise that entire show--but hey, those people are still my friends!)  So if you want to sing, I say go for it. :)

I didn't mind the furbobs.  The bushwoolies did get on my nerve sometimes but I was mostly okay with them.

I do wonder if they're literally one big species and the furbobs/bushwoolies are subspecies or what.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Taffeta on December 04, 2015, 11:37:36 AM
I hate the term "Mary Sue" as it really doesn't explain the issue.  Megan has no conflict, and the ponies follow her without question.  That is not a character I can care about.  It doesn't help that the two week-long pilot had the ponies more or less helpless until Megan showed up.


I don't really like the term Mary Sue, either, but, certainly in anime writing communities I know, the label gets used a fair bit for characters in series (not in fanfic necessarily) who have no conflict, who everyone loves, who always find the answer and who are essentially "too perfect". Noike in Tenchi Muyo is a classic example. Megan is that person in My Little Pony. None of the ponies are perfect. Most of them have some issues, or conflict, or something going on at some point. Megan's conflict is who feeds TJ when she's away? She's a Mary Sue to me for these reasons.

I don't really remember End of Flutter Valley but I remember it being long and kinda dull. Wasn't it meant to be a sequel to the movie, though? A feature length thing they broke up into parts to air on TV? I'm sure I have/had a VHS with it somewhere as one long movie like thing...

@LM, this is probably where I'm weird, but the doll put me off Megan even more. I disliked blond, blue eyed dolls as a kid because all the dolls around were like that when I was small. No variety. Nothing. I hated Barbie for the same reason as the UK at that time had only blond and blue eyed grinny dolls. I don't remember ever seeing Jem and nor does my mother, but that had a really short run and I was probably just too young anyway. Otherwise I'd have been all over them. But Megan was blond and blue eyed and so I subconsciously rejected her.

(Before anyone criticises me for this, I was a blond haired blue eyed kid, although not so blond now my hair has gone darker. It was just the monotony. My ponies had ethnic diversity. I wanted dolly ethnic diversity too, and just didn't get it. I am so jealous of kids now - not only are there dolls from every single skin tone, there are also Monster High and EA High and Equestria...all those colours and varieties and differences :D such a mile away from what was around during my childhood.)

Megan might have appealed to me more if I hadn't somehow associated her in my mind with Barbie for this reason.

The Bushwoolies are quite cute. They're nowhere near the dragons in epicness, maybe largely because they are a collective (to quote Sweetie, "something that is one, even when it is many",) and the dragons are all individuals, but they're cute. I like them.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on December 04, 2015, 11:52:26 AM
Bushwoolies: Technicolor talking tribbles.

I actually explained Megan being blond haired and blue eyed to having Scandinavian ancestry.  My pony world has a lot of Norse lore (they have a natural Bifrost connecting their world to Megan's ranch).
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 04, 2015, 12:04:51 PM
I hate the term "Mary Sue" as it really doesn't explain the issue.  Megan has no conflict, and the ponies follow her without question.  That is not a character I can care about.  It doesn't help that the two week-long pilot had the ponies more or less helpless until Megan showed up.


I don't really like the term Mary Sue, either, but, certainly in anime writing communities I know, the label gets used a fair bit for characters in series (not in fanfic necessarily) who have no conflict, who everyone loves, who always find the answer and who are essentially "too perfect". Noike in Tenchi Muyo is a classic example. Megan is that person in My Little Pony. None of the ponies are perfect. Most of them have some issues, or conflict, or something going on at some point. Megan's conflict is who feeds TJ when she's away? She's a Mary Sue to me for these reasons.

I don't really remember End of Flutter Valley but I remember it being long and kinda dull. Wasn't it meant to be a sequel to the movie, though? A feature length thing they broke up into parts to air on TV? I'm sure I have/had a VHS with it somewhere as one long movie like thing...

@LM, this is probably where I'm weird, but the doll put me off Megan even more. I disliked blond, blue eyed dolls as a kid because all the dolls around were like that when I was small. No variety. Nothing. I hated Barbie for the same reason as the UK at that time had only blond and blue eyed grinny dolls. I don't remember ever seeing Jem and nor does my mother, but that had a really short run and I was probably just too young anyway. Otherwise I'd have been all over them. But Megan was blond and blue eyed and so I subconsciously rejected her.

(Before anyone criticises me for this, I was a blond haired blue eyed kid, although not so blond now my hair has gone darker. It was just the monotony. My ponies had ethnic diversity. I wanted dolly ethnic diversity too, and just didn't get it. I am so jealous of kids now - not only are there dolls from every single skin tone, there are also Monster High and EA High and Equestria...all those colours and varieties and differences :D such a mile away from what was around during my childhood.)

Megan might have appealed to me more if I hadn't somehow associated her in my mind with Barbie for this reason.

The Bushwoolies are quite cute. They're nowhere near the dragons in epicness, maybe largely because they are a collective (to quote Sweetie, "something that is one, even when it is many",) and the dragons are all individuals, but they're cute. I like them.



Lol at Barbie. Yeah Jerrica dolls kinda reminds me of Barbie dolls too.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Taffeta on December 04, 2015, 12:11:05 PM


Lol at Barbie. Yeah Jerrica dolls kinda reminds me of Barbie dolls too.

Maybe a good time to mention I also hate Jem/Jerrica. (Although I promise that's for reasons other than blondness xD honest.)
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: LadyMoondancer on December 04, 2015, 12:40:24 PM
I wonder if I would have had Megan be the ponies' friend in play if I'd had the doll as a kid.  The few dolls I did have (a SSC doll, a Barbie, and a few small soft-bodied dolls from the 70s) were always villains trying to kidnap the ponies.  I wasn't into dolls much.

Blonde girls with blue eyes did seem to be a "thing" in the 80s in a weird way that they aren't today.  Like it was color-coding that they were the "good guy."  Like, "Here's Lady Lovely Locks, and she's BLONDE.  See, kids?  You can tell she's good because she's BLONDE.  Now over here we have Duchess RavenWaves and you can tell she's evil because her hair's, ew, black."

There were exceptions of course, but it was pretty common.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Lore-Lei on December 04, 2015, 12:41:33 PM
The ponies live in a region called Ponyland (literally "the country of ponies") which either includes Dream Valley or is a part of Dream Valley.  The writer's guide described Ponyland as being the size of a national park suggesting the former.
I meant inside Dream Valley where they live.  ^.^
I never seen a single town or even house so far other than Paradise Estate, which I doubt could home this many ponies at once.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: LadyMoondancer on December 04, 2015, 12:44:21 PM
As far as I know, the ponies supposedly all lived in Paradise Estate.  Um . . . just pretend it's bigger on the inside, like a TARDIS.  ;)

I wish they'd stayed in Dream Castle, I love castles.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Taffeta on December 04, 2015, 12:45:57 PM
Another weakness of the animation. The comic had more living locations for the different ponies. Eg Rainbow Curl ponies lived on Rainbow Mountain and they had the Rainbow Nursery there for the Rainbow Babies. I'm not sure the comic ponies ever lived in Paradise Estate, really. The flutters found it in a cloud, but there was a whole awkwardness about it with no Paradise and all.

In any case, while no specific houses were necessarily shown, there are moments - I think again going back to Gingerbread and Sweetie, they're shown cooking in a kitchen which is inside. There are also regions and areas, though. And Memory Lane.

So in comic terms Ponyland was a country and it had different regions and neighbouring lands which housed different species or different friends of the ponies that they would go to on some quest or other. I don't think there was ever the sense they all lived in one of the buildings.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Lore-Lei on December 04, 2015, 12:46:51 PM
As far as I know, the ponies supposedly all lived in Paradise Estate.  Um . . . just pretend it's bigger on the inside, like a TARDIS.  ;)
Or the Scarlet's Mansion. :D
Oh well, I was really hoping for seeing a G1 Ponyville somewhere.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: LadyMoondancer on December 04, 2015, 01:34:30 PM
Oh, I guess I should also add that the baby ponies specifically live in the Lullabye Nursery.  The only time they're shown sleeping in PE is when the nursery interior is being repainted.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Sunset on December 04, 2015, 04:44:48 PM
The ponies live in a region called Ponyland (literally "the country of ponies") which either includes Dream Valley or is a part of Dream Valley.  The writer's guide described Ponyland as being the size of a national park suggesting the former.
I meant inside Dream Valley where they live.  ^.^
I never seen a single town or even house so far other than Paradise Estate, which I doubt could home this many ponies at once.

Early g1 ponies are definitly more horse like than later incarnations.  Some of them may have lived inside and slept in beds but maybe most of them actually slept outside like real horses.  Maybe they took turns on who slept inside.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on December 05, 2015, 05:50:26 AM
I think they all slept inside.  Remember, everything and its uncle wanted to kill them.

I would have liked if they had kept the castle as well.  I know Paradise Estate was a far superior playset, but it seemed to be a downgrade in the actual series.  It didn't have a back fence for crying out loud.  They could have done like the comic and have the ponies dispersed among he different playsets.  Some lived in Dream Castle and it was their go to shelter.  Most lived in the more modern accommodations of Paradise Estate.  The Show Stable was their athletic center.  The Grooming Parlor was where they would be like the spa in Ponyville.  The baby ponies would be taken care of in the Lullaby Nursery as they did.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Ponyfan on December 07, 2015, 03:19:45 PM
I just watched The Prince and the Ponies and saw the animation error with Baby Quacker's eye near the end of the song. :)


Ponyfan
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 08, 2015, 08:09:58 AM
I just watched The Prince and the Ponies and saw the animation error with Baby Quacker's eye near the end of the song. :)


Ponyfan

I liked the Prince and the Ponies, its not a favorite, but its probably one of the last decent episodes.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on December 08, 2015, 09:03:23 AM
It's the last episode period.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 08, 2015, 09:49:09 AM
It's the last episode period.

Was it? I didn't know that. I admit, towards the end the animation got cruddy. You guys made me pull out my boxset,I'm sitting down with the 4th DVD.

The songs are a mixed bag. Some are cringeworthy, some are good, some are meh.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Taffeta on December 08, 2015, 11:03:38 AM
It's the last episode period.

Was it? I didn't know that. I admit, towards the end the animation got cruddy. You guys made me pull out my boxset,I'm sitting down with the 4th DVD.

The songs are a mixed bag. Some are cringeworthy, some are good, some are meh.

"Babysitting, babysitting, how my aching head is splitting!"

Even now Baby Fifi's accent is lodged in my poor little brain. Ice Cream Wars. The trauma.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Leave a Whisper on December 08, 2015, 11:25:56 AM
It's the last episode period.

Was it? I didn't know that. I admit, towards the end the animation got cruddy. You guys made me pull out my boxset,I'm sitting down with the 4th DVD.

The songs are a mixed bag. Some are cringeworthy, some are good, some are meh.

"Babysitting, babysitting, how my aching head is splitting!"

Even now Baby Fifi's accent is lodged in my poor little brain. Ice Cream Wars. The trauma.

Baby ponies are cute. Their voices, not so much. :s
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Ponyfan on December 08, 2015, 12:31:22 PM
Did anyone else notice how many times Baby North Star changed colors in Ice Cream Wars? She started out hot pink.


Ponyfan
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on December 08, 2015, 01:00:04 PM
I remember there was a moment where there were two Baby Lickety-Splits.

Speaking of her.  She was far and away my least favorite of the baby ponies from the movie on down.  Remember she was the instrument of their near destruction in the Magic Coins.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: LadyMoondancer on December 08, 2015, 01:25:54 PM
I liked a couple of the songs, but most I'm like "ehhhh" or "bleh."

The ones I like are "All Through the Night", THE SEA PONY SONG (best song ever), "Dressed Like a Dream", and "From the Sun".  Also "Those Newborn Twins" and, surprisingly, "Babysitting".

Who else remembers the song "Hurry"? It was sung in a segment where Megan, the ponies, and the bushwoolies weave a fake cloak for Porcina in "The Glass Princess."  But when MLP & Friends aired on the Disney channel, it was cut out.  Sadly the song is still missing in the boxed set.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on December 08, 2015, 01:51:19 PM
They also don't have the uncut specials either.  I have uncut versions of the specials.  The Glass Princess Part 4 uncut is all I'm missing.

Edit:  "The Quest of the Princess Ponies" also confirms ponies actually have light gray hooves.  They wear "beautiful" hoof polish that matches their coats.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Ponyfan on December 08, 2015, 02:54:46 PM
I loved "Little Piece of Rainbow" growing up (my grandparents had an uncut version of Rescue from Midnight Castle on a tape) and I was sad whenever the special came on the Disney Channel and that song was cut out.  I have a very faint memory of watching  one episode My Little Pony and friends and the Potato Head kids before it starting airing on Disney.

Some of my favorite songs are anything from Rescue at Midnight Castle, "Dressed Like a Dream," "Let's Not Take a Nap" and Stretch Yourself to the Limit"


Ponyfan
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Lore-Lei on December 09, 2015, 12:07:21 AM
It's the last episode period.

Was it? I didn't know that. I admit, towards the end the animation got cruddy. You guys made me pull out my boxset,I'm sitting down with the 4th DVD.

The songs are a mixed bag. Some are cringeworthy, some are good, some are meh.

"Babysitting, babysitting, how my aching head is splitting!"

Even now Baby Fifi's accent is lodged in my poor little brain. Ice Cream Wars. The trauma.

Baby ponies are cute. Their voices, not so much. :s
I for one loved Baby Fifi's french-iness, I was more irritated by the baby baby ponies (newborns, if I recall?) crying all the time. That's about the only thing I liked about that episode. But yeah, the songs really really feel like they were just shoehorned in for the episode to have a song. Vast majority of them are, to say the least, unneeded.
Title: Re: Took the plunge and watched some G1 specials
Post by: Al-1701 on December 15, 2015, 10:02:53 AM
I think there was a mandate somewhere each episode had to have a song.  Some didn't.  The second part of "Return of Tambelon" looked like was going to have a song, but it was cut due to so much to recap from the previous part and story to get through.  The second part of "Flight to Cloud Castle" didn't even give a clue there should be a song.
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