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Can I just say that this entire thread is absolutely awesome and very interesting.I don't have many stickers that can help the debate, I don't think...I do have TicTacToe mint on Card, though, and her card is UK. It's this card, which is not the same as the card sold in Germany and France, but might be the same as in Scandinavia?visitors can't see pics , please register or login If I can extract her from the cupboard, I'll examine her sticker. It's behind the ribbon and comb but I might be able to see the detail. I also have Whizzer and Masquerade on UK card. Somewhere. If I remember rightly, though, Fizzy and Sweetie were the ones re-released in the 1987 set with Speedy, Locket, Tic Tac Toe and Sky Rocket, so those are the TE stickers that might have variations on, depending how they're sold? My sister's MOC Fizzy is from the Benelux and has Speedy's flat sticker, so that's no use at all.In my experience, Benelux packaged ponies often have the wrong sticker (albeit that's with the flat ones - my Sunshower and Surf Rider have different stickers as well as Naynie's Fizzy, and the Masquerade I used to have also had a wrong sticker. Fizzy's or Whizzer's I think it was. They tend to be US style of card, too, so the sticker type is the same as the US release.Wondering now what the Baby Heart Throb sticker with my MIB Baby Lickety Split says...since she came from Scandinavia originally...Officially the Twinkle Eye sets were 1986 and 1987 in the UK though, and Speedy and Sky Rocket only featured in 1987, so there shouldn't be a 1985 copyrighted sticker in the TE set from the UK I don't think.My Baby Sea Ponies have 1985 copyrights on their stickers - Sea Shimme,Tiny Bubbles, anyway - but not Water Lily. Did they have puffies in the US release? I can't remember, I just know the pearly ones didn't.The loose Whizzer sticker I have is 1986, so are Gypsy and Snowflake. None of my 1987 ones have dates, just TM by the name. Those are Sapphire, Pearl, Amethyst, Water Lily, Tutti Frutti, Tropical Breeze.Sadly, no Gusty, so I can't add to your discourse on that subject. Possibly need to check Baby Half Note's, but it's back in the attic with the Dance School now.Will have to check my photos later.Ponyland, do you have a website with all this information? Because if so, I'd love to see it!
I don't have many stickers that can help the debate, I don't think...I do have TicTacToe mint on Card, though, and her card is UK. It's this card, which is not the same as the card sold in Germany and France, but might be the same as in Scandinavia?
My two anomalies MOC wise.Groom & Style Bow Tie on 1986 UK My Little Pony set card, German language.visitors can't see pics , please register or loginI dug her out, she has a 1985 Bow Tie sticker although her name is nowhere on the card:visitors can't see pics , please register or login
First release Cherries Jubilee in the UK had a sticker without a copyright date (Groom & Style, 1985 release) which I assume is the same as the US. I haven't checked my MOC 1986 one so I don't know for sure what hers is.
And though I don't have it, are we sure Megan and Sundance's UK sticker is the same as the US one? Bearing in mind Megan is in a different outfit in the UK releases? I have an almost complete set for the first release, including the box which mentions a sticker, but I don't have the sticker so I don't know...
Fizzy on UK release Sunshower's cardvisitors can't see pics , please register or loginHer sticker is 1986 copyrighted. Sunshower was out in the UK in 1987, meaning that this is probably the correct sticker for the 1987 release of Fizzy, but I can't be sure 100% because she's an anomaly and there are also other ponies - like Galaxy, who wasn't rereleased - on Baby Sea Pony cards.Spoilervisitors can't see pics , please register or login
The sticker my Baby Half Note had (Dance School received for Christmas, 1987, I have photographic evidence) is this one. Is this the same as the US or different? I seem to remember I've got a flat sticker for Baby Half Note from the US somewhere...but did she have a puffy as well?
Ah, going off topic. I'm more of a card geek than a sticker one (though btw I still really want to see the MOC Sprinkles xD It's not on topic for this thread but I'd love to see a photo sometime if you ever have a moment. I really feel like I want to take a camera and walk around your collection, but that's another story xD)
Oh, really? Hrm. I didn't know that. You see, the thing that gets me with TicTacToe's card is that I haven't really seen many. I never had one of this set as a child, but one of my best friends had Locket and Tic Tac Toe, both of which now live with me. For that reason I snapped up TicTacToe MOC when I had the chance, but I've not seen any others on this card. They must exist, I just haven't seen them. It's a UK card, but I know a lot of UK carded stuff went to you guys as well. If not the TEs, though, it makes it seem like maybe that card is literally just UK, and nowhere else. I don't have any German or French MOC but the cards are distinct from both the UK and the NOrth American releases.
What I try to say is that it isn't really a "UK" card, but a "Hasbro UK" card, as the company not the country. I think might confuse collectors otherwise when a set that wasn't sold in UK has a "UK" card.
Backcard stuff: Spoilered as somewhat OT for this thread xD.SpoilerQuoteWhat I try to say is that it isn't really a "UK" card, but a "Hasbro UK" card, as the company not the country. I think might confuse collectors otherwise when a set that wasn't sold in UK has a "UK" card. No, I understand exactly where you're coming from, because it's exactly those distinctions that made me set up the Scrapbook in 1998, to try and dispel all the European and UK related myths. While DV remains a super and nostalgic site for US pony ID, its reluctance to correct proven mistakes about European and UK ponies really created the problem of ponies like white Tootsie and yellow Moondancer still occasionally being called UK. We've debunked a lot of the DV myths over the years, but I must admit an active frustration that it occurred, since last I checked, at least one prominent and well-used US-based ID site still puts about this information as fact, even though it's been long since disproven). I've become lazy in my terminology, for which I apologise, but when I refer to UK cards, what I generally mean is the UK style of card, in terms of artwork and layout, and not specifically cards sold with ponies in the UK. To me those are completely different things. UK bought pony doesn't equal UK card, and UK card doesn't equal UK sold pony. So for example, the Pony Friends and the Fable Ponies are on what I would call UK-style artwork cards, and I believe, the English language ones are also marked Hasbro UK. We all know they weren't sold here, but if you were to catalogue the art style, it bears most resemblance to the layouts used for confirmed UK lines. White Tootsie's card is also identical to green Tootsie's UK card in some countries, and similar to Green Tootsie's US card in other areas (and I use US in the same way, in terms of "style" not distribution). I actually wonder whether some of those sets were packaged in the UK and then exported. I really think Hasbro outside of the US picked and chose what ponies to sell to their market and then added ones where they thought it was needed, depending on the line. I also have often thought that the Fable Ponies were meant to come here, but they ultimately didn't - because of how much such characters appear in our comics and such. The thing is, though, the 1984 backcard for the earth pony set (Blossom and co) just shows those six ponies, unlike the US card that shows all the unicorns and pegasi as well. In spite of that, and them being in the same poses as the US design, the six ponies have been redrawn to include hair adornments that aren't present on the US card. That would make it a "UK style" card to me, even though it's based from the US design. I would like to know a lot more about the Scandinavian issues and where it did and did not cross over with the UK line, especially in the early years. I think, though, that of all countries, card-wise, Scandinavia (and I group the countries together, but there may be individual national distinctions within that that I don't know about ponywise) is the closest to the UK release in terms of style of card used for marketing. And that's, essentially, what I mean to say when I talk about "UK cards". I'm like you in that I am more interested in UK and European release cards of different types and styles. One of my big missions in the last few months has been sorting out the early UK releases, 1983 and 1984. My favourite years for cards, though, are 1986 and 1987. If I could have one pony from each set on UK style MOC (or at least one pony card from each set) from those two years I would be quite happy. There is somehow a more personal touch (typified I think by taking the time to add ribbons and braids to the y2 earth pony set's art) to the UK and European cards than you see typically on the North American cards (thinking of the recolouring of Hippety Hop rather than redrawing her as a pegasus). I also have a tendency too to look from the UK line point of view, though, as that's my native pony background. Hasbro International is still based in Ruislip, London, although Hasbro UK is a separate entity, in Gwent, Wales. I've corresponded with the Gwent office, a long time ago, but not the Ruislip one. I am not certain, though, but I think Hasbro International MAY have at one point been based in Germany, then moved to the UK. Not certain on this, though. I forget where I got the information from and it was a long time ago. I've had a long hiatus from the community since then, so those things become a bit fuzzy Onto stickers...you have a MOC Bow Tie anomaly too? Hrm. Then she's not an accident but an actual release. Interesting, if weird. So Collector Pose Bow Tie in the Groom & Style release (yay for this set name gaining ground at last!) would have had the same sticker as the US release (with no copyright) but the one sold on the 1986 style card in German language has a copyright of 1985. That makes sense. Good old Hasbro. I need to check the dates on my Lullabye Nursery stickers, because I know they're anomalies too but I haven't really paid them a lot of attention because they're not puffy,therefore don't attract me. The Groom & Style Cherries Jubilee definitely had nothing on her sticker but her name and TM. It's one of the few I have from my childhood, and my childhood pony's hair resembles a hedge...so I know she came from the first release, not the smooth haired second release. (Was that 2nd edition CJ sold in your part of the world, by the way?). I can't get at my 1986 MOC Cherries J to check her sticker right at the moment, sadly. It would cause a landslide xD though from the image I have of her, I suspect it's hidden beneath her tail and I won't be able to see it anyway...Thanks for the info on Half Note's I'm learning more all the time.
I've become lazy in my terminology, for which I apologise, but when I refer to UK cards, what I generally mean is the UK style of card, in terms of artwork and layout, and not specifically cards sold with ponies in the UK. To me those are completely different things. UK bought pony doesn't equal UK card, and UK card doesn't equal UK sold pony.
I also have often thought that the Fable Ponies were meant to come here, but they ultimately didn't - because of how much such characters appear in our comics and such.
I actually wonder whether some of those sets were packaged in the UK and then exported. I really think Hasbro outside of the US picked and chose what ponies to sell to their market and then added ones where they thought it was needed, depending on the line.
The Groom & Style Cherries Jubilee definitely had nothing on her sticker but her name and TM. It's one of the few I have from my childhood, and my childhood pony's hair resembles a hedge...so I know she came from the first release, not the smooth haired second release. (Was that 2nd edition CJ sold in your part of the world, by the way?). I can't get at my 1986 MOC Cherries J to check her sticker right at the moment, sadly. It would cause a landslide xD though from the image I have of her, I suspect it's hidden beneath her tail and I won't be able to see it anyway...
So Collector Pose Bow Tie in the Groom & Style release (yay for this set name gaining ground at last!) would have had the same sticker as the US release (with no copyright) but the one sold on the 1986 style card in German language has a copyright of 1985. That makes sense. Good old Hasbro.
I think the whole thing with Fable Ponies as the set name makes good sense. It's somewhat the same with the 1987 set...there's no "Movie Star" tag for Shady, Wind Whistler etc, all though it's all over the card design. I started using the tag tentatively some ten or fifteen years ago when I got my French carded Shady (black eyeliner, North Star Cine Star sticker) and saw they were called Cine Star in France. I was frankly sick of the NSS tag. Hasbro UK just marketed them as "My Little Pony" on the insert and the lists, though, so using the French title made the most sense to give them back their own identity. Then later, when I got hold of the Argos catalogues, I discovered they were actually marketed to stores as Movie ponies, so it seems fine to just make that the name of the set, even though it's not on the cards.
Interesting what you said about them not having stickers in your part of the world. I have a Wind Whistler, she fell off her card in transit to me. I have the pony, bubble, brush, ribbon, card etc (and the pony's head is still in plastic), but she came with no sticker. I don't remember where she came from, but I know it was overseas. I think probably you just explained to me why she didn't have one, so thank you. I now know she's probably from Scandinavia
I didn't know about the English packaged Nestie. The issue I have with that is that I have (also from childhood thanks to end of line imports) the inserts from the French, German and English language releases of ponies from that 1992-3 year (Seven Characters, Family Friends, Best Friends Babies, etc). The German and the French both have the Nestie babies (French as Bebe Nurserie) but the English language one does NOT. There is still the mystery, though, of the alternate pose Billie and Susie LadyG and I have that don't match the insert photos. It suggests there may have been other productions that didn't happen and got scrapped, or there might have been a selection panel of pony items and those which were not adopted got discarded/given to families/whatever.
It's also possible that the Nestie was packaged for a different market than the UK, even in English. There aren't many MIB Nesties, though. I have Wuerfelchen in German box, and I've seen the other two once each I *think* but they're not very often seen. I imagine the English one went high. I'd love to know what their names were meant to be in English.
The box is the same as the two US ones I have, but for one small detail. The one with the Benelux sticker has 2 horseshoe points and the others, 3. Those are in English, and I've seen other ostensibly "US style" packaging with those labels on from the Netherlands, so I really think someone from there needs to clarify exactly what was what in that release. (The 2nd set Princess boxes also say distributed in the UK by (blah blah) but despite many rumours to the contrary caused by the wacky princesses from the end of line, they never were).
Ah, that Powder! Please please please let me use that picture on the Scrapbook page! *offers cookies*
...all the different lines in Europe (including the UK) and in Australasia have been shunted into either being "same as" or "different from" the North American release, instead of being considered as ponies in their own right...
I really hate when someone refers to a pony as the "US version" and it's a pony I had as a child. It somehow invalidates my whole childhood by denying the fact that pony and the whole line had an identity here that was separate from North America, even if the ponies released were the same. I imagine you feel the same, Ponyland, when people talk about UK ponies and they're ones you grew up with (like the Mountain Boys).
...we know Truly and Cupcake don't belong to the same set as Buttons or Magic Star, and therefore cannot be lumped together easily with the Movie Stars, although I confess at the moment they are so on my page simply for convenience.
...I do think a lot more time needs to be dedicated to documenting, promoting and explaining all the different lines that come together as "mainstream" ponies. It's one of my frustrations with the Scrapbook that I still feel I don't know enough about things I ought to know about, in order to properly put what was available here in the UK into full European context. Also, all the shuffling around I've had to do to accommodate our releases against other places
Going back a little on topic, I did check Wind Whistler, and her eyeliner is black, not brown, so maybe I'm wrong. Or maybe it's not that clear cut. I was told my French Shady should have brown eyeliner, but she doesn't, so... I'm not sure if I have ever even seen a Shady with brown - my childhood one has black too. (And, honestly, the whole sticker/Movie Star thing may be a bit haphazard anyway. I don't know if I definitely had a Shady sticker as a child or if I didn't. I don't have one now, and I know one exists, but since I don't know exactly when I had Shady, and whether or not this batch you had that had none also came here, I can't be certain. I lost childhood stickers, as I've mentioned, so if I had one for Shady, it's gone.
It also happened with the Candy Cane Ponies here - we had the bordered box set of four and also the North American box set of six. As a child I put on a Christmas list "Molasses", which was a name NEVER put out in the comic here, nor should ever have appeared on a UK distribution release. Yet I put it all the same. I know that North American boxed Candy Canes were sold here, so that's my explanation for why I knew the name Molasses not Gingerbread at that time. I must've seen one in the shops and read the box. I have also found both Lemon Treats and Mint Dreams here - ponies we were never "officially" marketed.
That's why I don't believe UK style box = UK sold pony and UK sold pony = UK style box . I had Baby Princess Sparkle's box down among some others from the attic this afternoon and it says on it clearly "Distributed in the UK by Hasbro UK, a division of Hasbro Bradley..." but she was never sold here. It's there just in case - which makes it all the more muddy trying to determine issue stuff and why much much more attention needs to be directed towards figuring it out.
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