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That's exactly it, and I'm tired of the responses from people saying that OH NO, they've never been effected by this at all, but then say that the Lammily doll is simply average proportion and that Barbie's body is actually attainable. Read: It isn't.
brightberry, that is very interesting indeed, and I do agree that we need to find out more about what impact (and why) toys have on kids, but this is just one single study, it doesn't necessarily prove anything.
QuoteThat's exactly it, and I'm tired of the responses from people saying that OH NO, they've never been effected by this at all, but then say that the Lammily doll is simply average proportion and that Barbie's body is actually attainable. Read: It isn't. I don't think anyone on this thread has said barbie's body is attainable... or in any of the articles linked. So maybe you're getting that somewhere else? The study does show that some little girls are not affected by barbie, so people saying they weren't here isn't really strange. Especially if they are adults and still like dolls. For whatever reason, some people are not influenced and that's interesting.Quotebrightberry, that is very interesting indeed, and I do agree that we need to find out more about what impact (and why) toys have on kids, but this is just one single study, it doesn't necessarily prove anything.Right. It doesn't prove much. It does indicate that barbie influences many girls at least after a short time of experiencing barbie and that's why the study gets quoted so often in these lammily articles. But in the same study more "average" dolls also negatively influenced girls, even more so than barbie in the 2nd grade. I find it mildly annoying now to read articles that produce the study as evidence that barbie is bad for girls and lammily is good when the same study indicates that other mature dolls are just as problematic. But I guess that's what the news does. I think whatever parents are doing to make sure that their girls have a healthy attitude towards dolls... they should figure out what that is and write a book about it.I don't remember ever wanting to look like barbie. I actually kind of dreaded growing up.
That's the lady that likes to smack down anything that she doesn't like. I get trying to protect your child but this lady takes it to the extreme.
Quote from: SwordPony on March 16, 2014, 09:24:35 PMThat's the lady that likes to smack down anything that she doesn't like. I get trying to protect your child but this lady takes it to the extreme.She's made some very good points in the past but some terrible ones too. She once said that the G4 Ponies were sexualized, not even the EG dolls but the actual ponies She seems to find fault with alot of things that arnt faulty. Like with Frozen she said that cause Anna and Elsa are beautiful: 'As adventurous and independent as these gals are, the message is still that you must be beautiful while you do it.' which strikes me as a bit ridiculous. I cant remember seeing a post by her about this doll but I hope I do soon. I have a feeling its going to be one of her better posts here her points are all sensible and you dont get the feeling she's spent alot of time hunting for faults.
Quote from: tinyblondie on March 17, 2014, 04:35:25 AMQuote from: SwordPony on March 16, 2014, 09:24:35 PMThat's the lady that likes to smack down anything that she doesn't like. I get trying to protect your child but this lady takes it to the extreme.She's made some very good points in the past but some terrible ones too. She once said that the G4 Ponies were sexualized, not even the EG dolls but the actual ponies She seems to find fault with alot of things that arnt faulty. Like with Frozen she said that cause Anna and Elsa are beautiful: 'As adventurous and independent as these gals are, the message is still that you must be beautiful while you do it.' which strikes me as a bit ridiculous. I cant remember seeing a post by her about this doll but I hope I do soon. I have a feeling its going to be one of her better posts here her points are all sensible and you dont get the feeling she's spent alot of time hunting for faults.I have to wonder if she's comfortable in her own body. She's very quick to shame people/things she considers beautiful. Almost as if they should be ashamed of how they look.
As far as why some girls aren't affected by how fashion dolls look, maybe they have a more supportive family life, maybe their patents aren't always going on about dieting, maybe body image isn't made such a huge deal and maybe they simply don't care because it's not being made such a huge deal in their everyday lives.
I don't think that can all be accounted for by personality alone.
Quote from: Vertefae on March 17, 2014, 04:59:05 AMAs far as why some girls aren't affected by how fashion dolls look, maybe they have a more supportive family life, maybe their patents aren't always going on about dieting, maybe body image isn't made such a huge deal and maybe they simply don't care because it's not being made such a huge deal in their everyday lives.I wonder if some of it isn't just a matter of personality - some kids are pretty oblivious to the surrounding culture in general, and on the flip side, some soak everything up even when their family is fairly supportive (or limits pop-culture consumption). And preferences fit in there too; I didn't play with fashion dolls as a kid - they just didn't interest me at all - but my sister loved them, and there wasn't any parental pressure on either of us to be for or against them, y'know?I don't doubt that family plays a big roll in reinforcing (or counteracting) general cultural norms and trends, but I think there are probably too many other factors at play. After all, I'd think we've all met exceptions to any generalization like that - people who had supportive/socially-aware parents who ended up with eating disorders as well as ex-child models with healthy self-images?