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... there is no example to give ... BUT hasbro stopped enforcing their copyright/trademark on the transformer name bumble bee ... other companies picked it up for other products ... hasbro has a huge uphill battle to try a nd get it to use for the new movies the past few years ... i don't think they ever really got it back ...... hasbro also stopped enforcing the cr/tm on the G1 ponies and now cannot use them without being able to protect them, opening them up for lawsuits (thus why we won't see many or any old G1's as official G1 names/colors/types) ...in this case if hasbro doesn't put up a fight against someone infringing on their copyrights and trademarks they will lose their protections on their intellectual property, allowing anyone and everyone to pretty much steal their ideas from them ...hasbro has every right to protect their ideas and properties that they have trademarked and copyrighted in order to preserve their protections on their own properties.just because it's "one person" doesn't mean it's right to use someone elses ideas for their own personal gain. she could have designed her own characters and been fine. or sold them as "plush colored horses" and changed something about them and been fine ... but if you steal someone's ideas it's wrong ... be it another person, a corporation, a nameless/faceless artist on the internet, an author, a doctor, a student, whatever. using something that isn't yours for personal gain is just morally ethically wrong. why should it have to be defended? yeah whitedove plushes are amazing and kudos that they go for that much ... but i know what it's like to have something stolen and used without my permission and see that pther person make a crapload of money off it ... one person or a corporation if it isn't yours, don't go there ... that's my stance ... hasbro is just trying to cover their butts and keep their protections in place ... and they chose white dove ... can't help that ... it's all over the internet ... it's how the cookie crumbles when you're the one who put your hand in the neighbor's cookie jar ...
Quote from: Malicieuse on May 22, 2012, 06:10:19 PMQuote from: Stuntmang on May 22, 2012, 06:03:59 PMQuote from: Malicieuse on May 22, 2012, 06:01:45 PMQuote from: Stuntmang on May 22, 2012, 05:54:14 PMQuote from: Malicieuse on May 22, 2012, 05:53:26 PMQuote from: Stuntmang on May 22, 2012, 05:42:22 PMThis type of attitude makes me a sad panda. When you start siding with the corporations, you start to lose your soul.Yeah, people/companies who wish to protect or keep control of their own creations are so mean. : PAgain, who is losing money from the production of these plushies?That still doesn't give you the right to take the creation of someone else and start selling it...If you would make some art, post it online and someone else prints and sells it without your approval, is that ok? The original artist wasn't planning on doing that so by your logic that is just fine.Because making plushies of characters from your own pattern is the exact same thing as taking art, making zero changes to it, and selling it.She still took a character and design that she did not create nor owns. Just because she put more effort into it than just printing something out doesn't change that.It actually does. This isn't a case of mass production of the characters, this is handmade, high quality stuff. Hasbro isn't going to be releasing 1000 dollar plushies, they're going to make cheap 20 dollar ones. They're not going to lose money on this. If I did art and someone drew a character from said art, then sold the art, I wouldn't care as long as they said something about me being the creator of said character. I'm not going to lose money or fans from that, and will likely gain fans.
Quote from: Stuntmang on May 22, 2012, 06:03:59 PMQuote from: Malicieuse on May 22, 2012, 06:01:45 PMQuote from: Stuntmang on May 22, 2012, 05:54:14 PMQuote from: Malicieuse on May 22, 2012, 05:53:26 PMQuote from: Stuntmang on May 22, 2012, 05:42:22 PMThis type of attitude makes me a sad panda. When you start siding with the corporations, you start to lose your soul.Yeah, people/companies who wish to protect or keep control of their own creations are so mean. : PAgain, who is losing money from the production of these plushies?That still doesn't give you the right to take the creation of someone else and start selling it...If you would make some art, post it online and someone else prints and sells it without your approval, is that ok? The original artist wasn't planning on doing that so by your logic that is just fine.Because making plushies of characters from your own pattern is the exact same thing as taking art, making zero changes to it, and selling it.She still took a character and design that she did not create nor owns. Just because she put more effort into it than just printing something out doesn't change that.
Quote from: Malicieuse on May 22, 2012, 06:01:45 PMQuote from: Stuntmang on May 22, 2012, 05:54:14 PMQuote from: Malicieuse on May 22, 2012, 05:53:26 PMQuote from: Stuntmang on May 22, 2012, 05:42:22 PMThis type of attitude makes me a sad panda. When you start siding with the corporations, you start to lose your soul.Yeah, people/companies who wish to protect or keep control of their own creations are so mean. : PAgain, who is losing money from the production of these plushies?That still doesn't give you the right to take the creation of someone else and start selling it...If you would make some art, post it online and someone else prints and sells it without your approval, is that ok? The original artist wasn't planning on doing that so by your logic that is just fine.Because making plushies of characters from your own pattern is the exact same thing as taking art, making zero changes to it, and selling it.
Quote from: Stuntmang on May 22, 2012, 05:54:14 PMQuote from: Malicieuse on May 22, 2012, 05:53:26 PMQuote from: Stuntmang on May 22, 2012, 05:42:22 PMThis type of attitude makes me a sad panda. When you start siding with the corporations, you start to lose your soul.Yeah, people/companies who wish to protect or keep control of their own creations are so mean. : PAgain, who is losing money from the production of these plushies?That still doesn't give you the right to take the creation of someone else and start selling it...If you would make some art, post it online and someone else prints and sells it without your approval, is that ok? The original artist wasn't planning on doing that so by your logic that is just fine.
Quote from: Malicieuse on May 22, 2012, 05:53:26 PMQuote from: Stuntmang on May 22, 2012, 05:42:22 PMThis type of attitude makes me a sad panda. When you start siding with the corporations, you start to lose your soul.Yeah, people/companies who wish to protect or keep control of their own creations are so mean. : PAgain, who is losing money from the production of these plushies?
Quote from: Stuntmang on May 22, 2012, 05:42:22 PMThis type of attitude makes me a sad panda. When you start siding with the corporations, you start to lose your soul.Yeah, people/companies who wish to protect or keep control of their own creations are so mean. : P
This type of attitude makes me a sad panda. When you start siding with the corporations, you start to lose your soul.
Quote from: kamakazee82 on May 22, 2012, 06:20:02 PM... there is no example to give ... BUT hasbro stopped enforcing their copyright/trademark on the transformer name bumble bee ... other companies picked it up for other products ... hasbro has a huge uphill battle to try a nd get it to use for the new movies the past few years ... i don't think they ever really got it back ...... hasbro also stopped enforcing the cr/tm on the G1 ponies and now cannot use them without being able to protect them, opening them up for lawsuits (thus why we won't see many or any old G1's as official G1 names/colors/types) ...in this case if hasbro doesn't put up a fight against someone infringing on their copyrights and trademarks they will lose their protections on their intellectual property, allowing anyone and everyone to pretty much steal their ideas from them ...hasbro has every right to protect their ideas and properties that they have trademarked and copyrighted in order to preserve their protections on their own properties.just because it's "one person" doesn't mean it's right to use someone elses ideas for their own personal gain. she could have designed her own characters and been fine. or sold them as "plush colored horses" and changed something about them and been fine ... but if you steal someone's ideas it's wrong ... be it another person, a corporation, a nameless/faceless artist on the internet, an author, a doctor, a student, whatever. using something that isn't yours for personal gain is just morally ethically wrong. why should it have to be defended? yeah whitedove plushes are amazing and kudos that they go for that much ... but i know what it's like to have something stolen and used without my permission and see that pther person make a crapload of money off it ... one person or a corporation if it isn't yours, don't go there ... that's my stance ... hasbro is just trying to cover their butts and keep their protections in place ... and they chose white dove ... can't help that ... it's all over the internet ... it's how the cookie crumbles when you're the one who put your hand in the neighbor's cookie jar ...Exactly. Companies. Not individuals handmaking bumblebee toys, large companies cranking out production lines of Bumblebee. I have no problem with Hasbro cracking down on knockoffs, but if it's one person handmaking the plushies, it's a jerk move.