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i'd probably fall for it too. "give us your address so we can give you free ponies!!111one!!!1" i'd be like "OK! here's my work address too!!!! send lots!"
Quote from: Vintergatan on April 24, 2012, 08:57:01 AMSo yeah, the way I see it, it's their problem these things are happening and they have absolutely no right to behave this way towards their customers, this is pretty outrageous.I'm sorry but if you buy from taobao you know you are buying stolen goods (at least the prototypes and such). I'm not saying that Hasbro handles this well (it's quite overkill) but to act as if the buyer is fully innocent seems silly to me.That's like buying a stolen watch and saying "well that person should not have been so stupid to get robbed, so it's ok!".
So yeah, the way I see it, it's their problem these things are happening and they have absolutely no right to behave this way towards their customers, this is pretty outrageous.
Quote from: Varkolak on April 24, 2012, 12:27:11 PMi'd probably fall for it too. "give us your address so we can give you free ponies!!111one!!!1" i'd be like "OK! here's my work address too!!!! send lots!"I guess the lesson here is, if Hasbro offers you free items out of the blue, say no!
Quote from: Eskara1862 on April 24, 2012, 12:59:37 PMQuote from: Varkolak on April 24, 2012, 12:27:11 PMi'd probably fall for it too. "give us your address so we can give you free ponies!!111one!!!1" i'd be like "OK! here's my work address too!!!! send lots!"I guess the lesson here is, if Hasbro offers you free items out of the blue, say no!Lets make it more fun! *replaces words from sentence* (I'm sorry Eskara1862 but the wording of the sentence, scenario and timing was too perfect to pass.)"I guess the lesson here is, if a stranger offers you free candy out of the blue, say no!"Come on! I thought we all learned this when we were children! regardless of age and whether its candy or ponies! lol
...Secondly, we are here talking about a few toys out of a gazillion that are produced every day by a multi-million company using cheap labour and breaking all kinds of human laws in the process (just like any company with their production in China)...There's an easy enough solution to deal with these thefts and fakie productions etc - it is to move their factories into countries with better regulations etc. However, the minute they decided they´d rather mass produce their stuff and use cheap labour, they should have expected this...
Quote from: Malicieuse on April 24, 2012, 11:00:23 AMQuote from: Vintergatan on April 24, 2012, 08:57:01 AMSo yeah, the way I see it, it's their problem these things are happening and they have absolutely no right to behave this way towards their customers, this is pretty outrageous.I'm sorry but if you buy from taobao you know you are buying stolen goods (at least the prototypes and such). I'm not saying that Hasbro handles this well (it's quite overkill) but to act as if the buyer is fully innocent seems silly to me.That's like buying a stolen watch and saying "well that person should not have been so stupid to get robbed, so it's ok!".First of all not all people know this. Honestly, neither do you as the origin of those items is not known for a fact.Secondly, we are here talking about a few toys out of a gazillion that are produced every day by a multi-million company using cheap labour and breaking all kinds of human laws in the process (just like any company with their production in China).So yeah, the fact that they can't (or simply don't) monitor what is going on in their factories is their fault and their problem and I have no issues with a few underpaid, exploited workers taking advantage of that.There's an easy enough solution to deal with these thefts and fakie productions etc - it is to move their factories into countries with better regulations etc. However, the minute they decided they´d rather mass produce their stuff and use cheap labour, they should have expected this.Comparing this situation to someone robbing a single person of their watch is like comparing apples and oranges.
Also, all i'm hearing is "Hasbro is a big company so it's perfectly fine to steal from them". You wouldn't steal a pony from a store so why is stealing them from a factory perfectly fine?......Also, moving their factories to other countries is not some magical solution to everything. At least i don't believe so. In fact, while sweatshops are horrible, firing all those Chinese workers doesn't sound that dandy either. I think we shouldn't simplify things. But i'm not going to get too off topic here.
Quote from: Malicieuse on April 24, 2012, 02:02:05 PMAlso, all i'm hearing is "Hasbro is a big company so it's perfectly fine to steal from them". You wouldn't steal a pony from a store so why is stealing them from a factory perfectly fine?......Also, moving their factories to other countries is not some magical solution to everything. At least i don't believe so. In fact, while sweatshops are horrible, firing all those Chinese workers doesn't sound that dandy either. I think we shouldn't simplify things. But i'm not going to get too off topic here.That is not at all what i´m saying.What i´m trying to say is that once you decide to go and establish your factory in a country with poor regulations where you don't have the legal protection you would have in, say, USA, France, Denmark etc, and you do that just so you could have cheap work force produce your goods - you have sacrificed that legal protection for the sake of money.I will try to make a less over-the-head comparison. Say, you start working unofficially somewhere. While you will get better pay as you don't get tax deducted from it etc, once you get sick or hurt, you have nothing to bounce back on. It is simply a risk and if it was your choice, it is your problem now.I am also not simplifying anything. I am simply saying that when companies decide to establish their production in countries such as China (with which i personally have massive issues and know quite a bit about) they lose my sympathy in these matters not just because of human rights violations but because then they have to follow Chinese rules and regulations which are not the same as in the USA. So yes, having their factories in a better regulated country is " a magical solution" to this, but is also more expensive for them.