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Pony Talk => Off Topic => Topic started by: dragonfly on April 29, 2020, 11:44:12 AM
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Hi guys,
Because the other thread is already massive, I am going to be locking the COVID-19 threads each weekend and starting a new one.
Links to old threads will be included.
We are a global community. Let's keep each other posted about the real state of events.
Discussion is welcome.
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1. Where do you live?
2. What is the current climate like where you're at?
3. Are news reports coming from your area accurate or no? What is going on?
4. What are your questions and concerns?
5. What has your government / administration done to address this (please try to keep this as politics free as possible, it is fine to state whether you agree/disagree with their actions etc) and, in your opinion, how is it working? Ex: Shelter in place orders, curfews, closures
6. Is your job affected, if so, how?
7. How are you and your family doing??
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My state is up to 3,738 and 125 deaths. Though the number of cases is jumping, the death toll is has hardly been rising. Ford county (Dodge City) is at 600 cases now, making it the 2nd highest number behind Wyandotte (KC) which is at 619.
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Kings Day was the most boring one ever. No markets at all and whatever they had digital was not worth to pick up.
Up here the discussion about the facial masks is still hot. Wether to wear them or not. And why there isn't enough for everyone. While my neigbour countries Germany and Belgium are obliged to wear them in public transport.
Also a few stores started to open their business again with "social distance" markings. But in reality I still see people bringing their kids along when the advice still is "go out when necessary". Some people think now the kids are allowed to play outside is a reason to take them along.
But the most surprising action is a hotel chain that opened their restaurants again. And only the people that have a room are allowed to eat over there. In a social distance way.
You can imagine that a lot of restaurant/cafe owners think "why them and not us". They still have to be closed until May 20.
I can not wait until they open.
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Latest numbers in my county: 516 cases, 43 deaths, 214 recovered.
Our stay at home order is going to expire at midnight tonight. I'm afraid some people might see the stay at home order expiring as an "all clear" signal and stop trying to social distance or take precautions. Malls, restaurants, theaters, libraries, museums and most non essential businesses can reopen May 1st. Hair and nail salons will remain closed until at least mid May Businesses that reopen must continue to maintain social distancing guidelines and occupancy will be limited to 25% capacity.
In my state businesses can chose to remain closed/continue curbside service if they do not want to open May 1st
Costco will not allow customers in stores unless they wear a facial covering.
Ponyfan
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Boris is going to present the briefing later. I can only imagine what things people are going to ask him.
I think it's a good thing we're giving a broader range of case data now, and I hope the testing is going to continue to rise. The combined county health system area round here is almost 100 confirmed deaths on the new system but there are likely to be more because of some affected care homes. We have almost certainly paid a price for being so closely integrated into the Black Country/Birmingham/Wolves economy, which has been badly hit as a region overall - somewhere up around 3000 deaths across the conurbation.
We got some extra hand sanitiser today. We have more than we need so I am hoping I can donate some to the council to help just a little bit. Waiting to hear back from them. Our local council is generally good, but right now they and their workers are genuinely awesome. We're one of the few places where all rubbish collection,food recycling, green bins and recycling are being collected normally, they're fixing the roads, they're delivering stuff to people like food who need it...so I have some hope we can give a little back.
The NHS is going to release a contact app some time next month. My phone won't take it, unfortunately, as it won't take any more apps. But I expect sister will use it. She's promised me her old phone, but she's not here, so it might be a while before I can do this. While I have some concerns about data, I have more about the health and safety of my family, given the risks, so I will want to be aware of everything when I'm out, at least in the short term, if and when we are allowed to go out.
I emailed the local MP this morning to ask what is happening with test centres here given there aren't any and have never been any (there were to be some but they got scrapped before opening because of a change in govt testing policy back in March). So aside the empirical data of the COVIDZOE KCL app, we have no idea how bad it is here except from the hospital stats. He emailed me back almost at once to say he's pushing this too. He's a good MP, although he's a Tory, he listens to and helps constituents and he cares a lot about the local area so I think he'll keep chasing it. Sounds that way anyway. He's not afraid to annoy the govt, he's done it before.
Officially our borough has about 250 confirmed cases at the moment. But as I said, hospital only testing here.
We live in an odd world, though. Three months ago I never would have thought giving mum a bottle of antibacterial soap and some wipes would make her so happy.
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We live in an odd world, though. Three months ago I never would have thought giving mum a bottle of antibacterial soap and some wipes would make her so happy.
haha, like me when I got my order in yesterday for paper towels for work! Yay, we haz paper towels!
My favorite Meme of the day: Corona is starting to feel like the check engine light: At first it freaks you out, but after a few weeks you're like, "Look, I gotta go to work".
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Well today restrictions on restaurants, movie theaters and beaches are reopening here. We had 2 more deaths in my county for a total of 9. Texas hasn't had as many deaths as some other states but I wonder about the testing. I think reopening should only happen if everyone is tested and there are reliable antibody tests. Ideally i really want there to be a vaccine or a viable treatment that doesn't involve hospitalization. But that's not going to happen here.
Restaurants are already cutting back on curbside services and making people either come up to the front or go inside to get take-out. Which would be ok if they weren't busy. I get the feeling here like everyone is just not really caring anymore. Which I find really irritating. I feel like people thought quarantine was a fun time to stay home and bake banana bread and now that they're bored its just back to business. But staying home isn't some fun thing its to save lives.
We're also really dropping the ball on masks here. But the CDC went back and forth so much on that i'm not really surprised that people aren't taking it seriously.
I've just been really depressed about the way people are acting here. It so selfish and irritating. People want to go party on the beach and don't really care about the consequences. So what if you're 21. You can still party on the beach when you're 23 if you want.
I guess one positive here is there are plenty of delivery slots for groceries. And I was even able to get more toiler paper and paper towels last week. The meat supply may be under stress but I can live without meat.
Also this week we may get temperatures in the high 90's so i guess we can test out the coronavirus doesn't spread in the heat theory.
Ugh Texas summers :enraged:
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We're also really dropping the ball on masks here. But the CDC went back and forth so much on that i'm not really surprised that people aren't taking it seriously.
I've gotten to the point that I feel like it's better that people don't wear the masks. Like maybe the only people who should be wearing them are those in the highest risk group or have issues or might be sick. I've watched way to many people around my area wear it incorrectly, touch the masks and do other things that make it pretty much pointless to wear it.
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Yeah, there is basically a scientific and political civil war being fought over masks here still. Boris said yesterday they 'could' be useful, so now one paper is saying we will have to wear them, but that's not what he said, he just said it might give some folk confidence to go back to work and such...so psychological rather than health. Our people accept it can protect others if used properly, but not really to protect yourself and can so easily lead to contamination. Same is true of gloves.
I saw a guy walking back from the store today. He was wearing gloves. In the what, 20 seconds it took him to pass by on the other street by our house, he had wiped the gloves on his shorts, wiped his face with the gloves, and he was carrying a bag of stuff from the local store which obviously meant he'd been touching things in the store and probably using cash. There's literally no protection if you are just going to assume that the gloves are safe to use to touch stuff. Gloves can protect your hands, yes. They can still spread the virus to your face if you touch something then your face while wearing them.
...So quick UK update. Hancock made his 100,000 test a day target despite being roundly ridiculed for setting it at the start of the month. 122,000+ tests carried out in the UK yesterday which is a large jump forward. Around 6000 of those tested positive in all settings. Around 700 people in all settings were recorded to have died. The sad thing is that the care home issue is still a big issue and that's their next target I think to deal with. But at least hospital cases, deaths, etc are dropping. They've said it's like 2 epidemics - in society and in care homes - and it seems to be the same the world over :( I hope they get all the testing into care homes asap. They say they're gonna test everyone, whether they have symptoms or not, so fingers crossed they can make a difference.
Our lockdown is due to expire on 7th May, the way the govt are talking doesn't sound like it will be an immediate unlock though. They are very keen on their five rules.
BUT some stores are reopening. These are technically stores that didn't need to close in the original lockdown, but did so to reorganise and make their stores safer (specifically food outlets and DIY stores). I think we should probably see if their reopening makes a difference to the statistics now we have better testing before any other bigger steps are taken. The UK govt are being very cautious and are watching what is going on in other places. But apparently the majority of people here are uneasy of a premature release on lockdown.
There are more cars on the road now mind you than there were before.
But even the Govt was surprised at how well people have abided by the lockdown over the last 5+ weeks. They modelled for 50% staying home, and at times have had 97% adherence. Not because people like the govt, though...more because people don't want to get COVID ;)
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Same is true of gloves.
Just had a customer come in, no mask but he had gloves on. I joked with him, (don't rob me). He runs a small car dealership, he said he handles a lot of cash at the office.
DOH! So he basicly has had the gloves on from work, got in his vehicle drove over to my place to pick up the printing I did for him, still wearing the same gloves.
Needless to say I wipe down my doorknob and counter because uh, DUH, if he did pick up the virus from the money he just spread it across town wearing the same gloves.
But even the Govt was surprised at how well people have abided by the lockdown over the last 5+ weeks. They modelled for 50% staying home, and at times have had 97% adherence. Not because people like the govt, though...more because people don't want to get COVID ;)
(whispers) nobody wanted to go to work and now nobody wants to go back to work. I guess if I could apply for unemployment and make more than I pay myself I'm clearly dumb for not doing it but then again, I'm too stubborn, plus I'd feel like I'm taking away from someone who actually needs it. Hell, I just paid my VEC (Virginia Employment Commission) quarter tax. See when you run your own business, you actually have to pay them they don't pay you (LOL). Same thing with the federal withholding and state withholding. The business has to pay that every quarter or depending on number of employees every month.
Though I do believe I saw where they're going to give a 50% decrease, which will be great if what I read was correct.
But still, it's probably hard for some folks to imagine if they've never run a business how much you actually have to send to the government. Not counting local costs like business licenses and permits, blablabla.
For myself as an example since a lot of events and festivals are not going on and churches are closed a lot of my business has fallen off. We generally have a big dance recital where I do the program and tickets for, I'd be working on that now but obviously that's not happening. So that's a bit loss for my company for april/may. :(
So as a business owner I'm not so much worried about right now, the effects are going to last a lot longer for us than march-may on the business/economic side.
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our area is opening up again too. I don't think it's safe yet. but since it's the topic that has started 80% of the household disagreements... i am exhausted of trying to express it.
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Our stay at home order is extended though this month. They renamed it, I believe, but it's pretty much the same with the exception of some businesses opening. No gatherings more than 10 people, continue 6 feet distancing when out, wear masks if possible, continue to work at home when possible, vulnerable people need to stay in.
Restaurants, Personal care (salons), daycares all remain closed for now.
The first businesses to open were the hospitals today. Which was VERY much needed for my family. My child went today to get a procedure that I was unable to do at home without proper medicine and tools. And while it wasn't LIFE threatening, I'm happy that it can now be taken care of because it's something that gets worse with time-- and then probably requires a surgery if neglected.
I'm happy things are opening without opening the flood gates in my state.
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Latest info from my county. We are at 549 cases, 44 deaths and 241 recovered.
A lot of people are not taking this seriously in my state anymore. We don't have a local beach but we do have a lake and there are already reports and pictures that show people at the lake are not social distancing or following guidelines. After the pictures were made public authorities said they would be enforcing social distancing. I think we are supposed to be in groups of less than 10 but sports can only be played in groups of 4 or less.
Restaurants were allowed to reopen yesterday if they followed guidelines and there are also reports of some restaurants refusing to maintain the 6 ft distance between customers.
I have friend that works at Target. Target is requiring their employees to wear masks. My friend said that several people entered the store and yelled at her that they didn't have to wear a mask because the stay at home order is expired even though the county where she lives has issued an or order that masks should be worn in public. Several people yelled at her that they were not going to wear masks and there was nothing anyone could do about it. :sad:
I wear gloves and a facial covering when I go to the store. For the gloves, I put them on in the car and wear them in to the store. When I'm ready to get back in the car, I use a Clorox wipe on them. If I am returning home I put the gloves in a small trash can in the trunk.
Ponyfan
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I have friend that works at Target. Target is requiring their employees to wear masks. My friend said that several people entered the store and yelled at her that they didn't have to wear a mask because the stay at home order is expired even though the county where she lives has issued an or order that masks should be worn in public. Several people yelled at her that they were not going to wear masks and there was nothing anyone could do about it. :sad:
yeah some people are getting aggressive here too. There is video of some lady screaming and harassing a reporter who is wearing a mask.
I don't understand why people are so flipping aggressive about not wearing masks. At this point... I get it that some people refuse to. But why be aggressive and yell at people? I have to remind myself that this is an extreme minority. u_u;
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Our stay at home order is until May 18 now, I'm very thankful that my job is a remote job and I can continue to stay home away from all these people threatening workers and being aggressive with their hate of wearing a mask. How is wearing a mask against your constitutional rights?
People are bored and lack critical thinking skills. I am a health coach and I have to listen to people complain that they are bored and want to have parties everyday, that they are eating tons of food because they are bored. To be honest it's hard for me to relate to them, I enjoy my hobbies and am fine being home, and I don't think going to the bar or getting a hair cut is worth getting sick over. And I don't see it as treading on my liberties, it's for the sake of not killing more people
I really don't want to catch coronaVirus and I'll do everything I can to avoid it until they can actually make a vaccine
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It’s scary here how people are pretending that somehow New York and parts of Europe didn’t happen. I get that people need to get back to work if they can but to treat the pandemic as a political hoax is really disturbing to me. Every time my city posts advisories now, some troll has to go on about it being a Democrat police state. I mean, we have a Republican governor, Republican Mayor and city council. What the heck is going on?
We also have restaurants that didn’t open because they don’t think they can maintain social distancing so they’re sticking to curbside pick-up and people are berating the employees.
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There is no excuse for abusive behaviour to anyone at all, ever.
Masks are not the ultimate solution to any of these problems mind you.
Wearing a mask for an extended period is not generally advised for people with asthma. The Scottish First Minister actually excluded Asthmatics from her advice to wear masks on public transport for this reason. It's actually also backed up by medical advice here from NY (albeit older pre-Covid advice re Flu):
https://health.ny.gov/publications/7224/
I've also seen some scientific studies that prove that coughing while wearing a mask doesn't actually prevent all the droplets from escaping the mask, they can still spread around the person coughing, so masks only really work in conjunction WITH social distancing measures.
And people here will undoubtedly misuse them, just as they mistakenly feel that gloves make their hands safe to touch their faces. We already have a problem of mask-and-glove littering when neither are mandated, so goodness knows what it will be like if that changes.
From my point of view, if they mandate masks, I will do my best to comply, but having to wear a mask will severely limit my life almost as much as current lockdown does, because of the length of time I can tolerate something over my face and the double jeopardy of dealing with crowded spaces and an inability to properly breathe.
I am hopeful that it won't become mandated in the UK, and that they'll find other methods instead. I like the idea they're trying to train dogs to sniff out COVID. That could work really well at airports and prevent the need for masks on planes (which if that happens here I will never fly again ><) or even at train terminals and bus depots.
And I say this as someone who is very scared of dogs. I'd rather be sniffed by a dog than wear a mask for x number of hours.
I think there's a general problem that people believe the crisis is over. If you're actually looking at the figures it's not 'over' really anywhere. Many places are improving, but the way down is slower than the way up. The biggest problem is people assuming that it's all done with and just trying to go back to normal life. And it just can't work that way because so long as there are asymptomatic infected people, opening up again can spike infections again.
That doesn't mean that everything is as bad as it has been in the last few weeks and that we aren't all on the right side of the battle, but keeping the battle in mind is still pretty important IMO, wherever you are in the world.
While I'm complaining, also, some news outlet earlier on was talking about a (and I quote, because this is IMO disgusting terminology) a "League table" of deaths in Europe that might put the "UK on top."
I'm not really interested in a competition with other countries as to who has the most deaths, and as the experts all say, every death is one too many and we will only really know the full scale of this when it's all over and we can actually look at what happened in all settings and all contexts. And the only reason to do that then would be to figure out how to avoid it happening again. Not to form a 'league table' as though people's lost loved ones were somehow political bartering chips.
I keep hearing people talk about "Only" (x amount of deaths) as well. Sorry, but I really find all that stuff so distasteful. Or the talk of people "who would have died anyway". Tell that to their families.
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Our stay at home order is until May 18 now, I'm very thankful that my job is a remote job and I can continue to stay home away from all these people threatening workers and being aggressive with their hate of wearing a mask. How is wearing a mask against your constitutional rights?
A lot of people just don't understand the constitution. A private business can say that customers have to wear masks. It's up to the business. Business owners have rights just like their customers. In Texas we see similar protests against businesses that don't allow open carry firearms. A lot of small businesses just don't want to deal with the drama so they cave.
I wonder if there will be some supreme court cases related to the stay at home orders. I guess it depends on how long they last.
Personally I have mixed feelings about masks but I don't understand people who are yelling at others for wearing them. I think that infringes on my rights more than anything. These issues have been so politicized and all of this coronavirus is a hoax nonsense is going around. It really bums me out that people are turning on each other and behaving this way.
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Personally I have mixed feelings about masks but I don't understand people who are yelling at others for wearing them. I think that infringes on my rights more than anything. These issues have been so politicized and all of this coronavirus is a hoax nonsense is going around. It really bums me out that people are turning on each other and behaving this way.
I think on some level it's almost subconscious not to trust someone in a mask. And it's probably a cultural thing as well, we've always been taught that wearing masks is only for certain situations. I had a customer come in last week and for the life of me with the mask on I was completely lost as to what her name was, etc.
Plus there is the 'robbery' thing where we've been taught wearing masks into a store, bank or any business automatically instills wary feelings.
So now everyone is running around in masks, it's weird and unsettling. And some people are just not comfortable wearing them. Seriously all I saw yesterday on tv were commercials for companies selling face masks; each one was talking about how great their face masks are - and in my head all I could think is, this is dumb. I can't imagine wearing a mask this summer in the south...WTH. If places force people to wear masks then I'm just not doing it or going to those stores/locations.
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Apparently NJ had not yet announced the closure of schools through this school year, but now they have.
I heard that PA is working to reopen some businesses, but I haven't been following the news too closely now. I am concerned for people who get most of their news through the TV, as the news station I had on while I was making dinner had very spooky and dramatic music on while they yelled statistics...probably not a good way to present it.
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We're gonna know our unlocking fate properly at the weekend, but there have been some details leaked out.
Nothing concrete yet though, especially not about masks.
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Masks have been mandatory since back in January. You can't even throw out the trash without one on. Forget about trying to get into a shop without it. They have eased up on them - you no longer have to wear them in your OWN car or if you are the only person around outside but it is mandatory everywhere else - work, public transport, and especially in public schools for the ones that have reopened. EVERY CHILD and TEACHER must wear the mask at all times, except for eating. There are NO exceptions.
I have 3M N95 masks I bought back in december because I can't deal with the pollution here. After about 20 minutes, it get so hot in them in stores, it makes me feel ill. I also have surgical masks and cloth masks. The cloth ones are a lot easier the breath in but I feel they aren't offering much protection as I think they were homemade. I don't want to think about wearing them in summer. Its so freakin humid here.
I am constantly asked "why are westerners (more specifically Americans) so stupid? They do not stay home or wear masks."
It doesn't help that the news here is designed to make the west look as incompetent as possible, while highlighting the strength of the Chinese government to control the spread in China. -_-
So, we now have a health code that must be shown to enter shops, resturants, ect. It uses your phone's GPS to track where you have been the past 14 days and issues a color code. Green - you probably do not have the virus and can travel freely in your region/city. Yellow - medium risk and red - high risk. I am thinking red is for anyone who returned from abroad in the past 14 days. I don't think there is anyplace left in China that is still on the highest level of alert, not even Wuhan. There has been some cluster infections in the far northern city of Harbin and some clusters in other Mega cities but they claim there isn't really any community spreading - IF you believe the CCP.
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So, we now have a health code that must be shown to enter shops, resturants, ect. It uses your phone's GPS to track where you have been the past 14 days and issues a color code. Green - you probably do not have the virus and can travel freely in your region/city. Yellow - medium risk and red - high risk
our province has a similar product: it's a voluntary app that is primarily for contact tracing. where have you been, has someone who has confirmed infection been where you are, should you be in contact with healthcare or need to be quarantined yourself, etc. but obviously very low tech on the data side than what China is doing
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A security guard for a dollar store was fatally shot for asking a patron to wear a mask in the store in Michigan. I just feel sick to my stomach
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A security guard for a dollar store was fatally shot for asking a patron to wear a mask in the store in Michigan. I just feel sick to my stomach
:shocked: :enraged:
It seems like Security boy was "please protect the health of everybody in this shop", & shooter was "I don't care about their health... or yours!!!" (cue sinister theme to shot)
It's like a movie scene featuring the dastardly villain!!!
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Are you making fun of this situation? It's not like a movie at all
the murderer said he was "disrespected" by the security guard for being asked to wear a mask
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Are you making fun of this situation? It's not like a movie at all
the murderer said he was "disrespected" by the security guard for being asked to wear a mask
Not my intention at all. It just seems unreal... I'm genuinely finding this hard to process...
My heart goes out to that security boy's family; he was just doing his job.
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Personally I have mixed feelings about masks but I don't understand people who are yelling at others for wearing them. I think that infringes on my rights more than anything. These issues have been so politicized and all of this coronavirus is a hoax nonsense is going around. It really bums me out that people are turning on each other and behaving this way.
I think on some level it's almost subconscious not to trust someone in a mask. And it's probably a cultural thing as well, we've always been taught that wearing masks is only for certain situations. I had a customer come in last week and for the life of me with the mask on I was completely lost as to what her name was, etc.
Plus there is the 'robbery' thing where we've been taught wearing masks into a store, bank or any business automatically instills wary feelings.
So now everyone is running around in masks, it's weird and unsettling. And some people are just not comfortable wearing them. Seriously all I saw yesterday on tv were commercials for companies selling face masks; each one was talking about how great their face masks are - and in my head all I could think is, this is dumb. I can't imagine wearing a mask this summer in the south...WTH. If places force people to wear masks then I'm just not doing it or going to those stores/locations.
I heard about this on an NPR podcast this today. Interesting how history repeats itself. https://sfist.com/2020/04/27/history-lesson-sf-had-an-anti-mask-league-during-the-1918-flu-pandemic-who-rallied-against-face-masks/
Yeah I agree we're just not used to seeing people walking around here with masks on. Even seeing myself in the mirror with a mask on is weird. TBH I get really freaked out when I see people in masks. Mostly the halloween that cover entire faces. And people in mascot/character costumes freak me out. Its not like i run away screaming but I do have a visceral reaction.
And yeah it doesn't help that we mostly associate masks with negative activity. Robbers and movie villains.
Also it seems like there's a lot of masks as a fashion accessory trends starting. Which makes me wonder if those masks really do anything.
Also if you didn't already know don't drive while wearing your mask. https://abcnews.go.com/US/driver-crash-passed-wearing-n95-mask-long-police/story?id=70346532
A security guard for a dollar store was fatally shot for asking a patron to wear a mask in the store in Michigan. I just feel sick to my stomach
What in the world is going on in Michigan? Now we have to worry about getting shot in addition to getting sick. I don't even know anymore.
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Thanks for letting me know ponybookworm I have a hard time understanding tone over the internet sometimes. I agree with you
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Thanks for letting me know ponybookworm I have a hard time understanding tone over the internet sometimes. I agree with you
People don't carry guns round generally in the UK. So it's nearly impossible for many of us to wrap our heads round some random person shooting somebody for something that small, especially when it's been deemed an important measure to fight against this virus.
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I was also going to mention that guns are not really an everyday thing here, so it would be more 'tv drama' than 'actually happening' from a UK perspective in most areas. I think the first time I ever saw a real gun was at the airport in Prague. I was 28. So that maybe gives some context.
Either way it's a horrible occurrence. I hope they got the person involved :(
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Just been in touch wi a pal & we were of course talking about the virus & its effects. Pal told me some Covidiots (cheers Taffeta) got hosed down in Aberdeen for protesting the lockdown...
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People don't carry guns round generally in the UK. So it's nearly impossible for many of us to wrap our heads round some random person shooting somebody for something that small, especially when it's been deemed an important measure to fight against this virus.
I live in a notorious gun loving state and I don't get it either.
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Here is the latest from here. Today was supposed to be the day to celebrate that we have been a free country for 75 years now after World War 2. But you guessed it, like Kings Day and the memorial of those who have fallen during wars it had to be celebrated at home.
It does give me the extra feeling to treasure the freedom I have combined with the restictions.
Also today the information has been leaked that the plan is to open up terraces per June 1st. But how and what we hear on this press conference tomorrow. To be honest is the idea is a bit weird. Because not everyone has enough space outside to seat a lot of people.
Our death figure has gone up to 5168. The amount per day still differs because not everyone is reported the same day. But you can see the amount is going down.
The Royal Dutch Airlines aka KLM has decided that everyone must wear a face mask on their flights. The period is set until August 31st. And they are not providing them.
At this daily entertainment show one of the crime experts came with something interesting. It is by law forbidden to cover up your face pointing to the burka. But if we all have to wear masks what does the law do with it?
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:shocked: :enraged:
It seems like Security boy was "please protect the health of everybody in this shop", & shooter was "I don't care about their health... or yours!!!" (cue sinister theme to shot)
It's like a movie scene featuring the dastardly villain!!!
If you read about the incident, that's not how it happened.
The lady had a mask on, but her daughter did not. The security guard said the daughter was not allowed in -- and then said that the cashier couldn't serve the lady. They ended up leaving, then coming back with other people, who then shot the guard. That's very summarized, I don't know what was said between the people.
It sounds more like "I didn't like how you treated me" then "you told me to wear a mask and I don't believe in that". Any act of violence, be it gun, knife, or fist breaks my heart. :( I'm very sad to hear this story.
My mom visited yesterday to drop off some medicine. Her and my stepdad wore a mask. It didn't strike me as too weird in my head. They kept their distance and it was just a very short hello. I think I see masks more for medical purposes, rather then burglary. If I think of someone stealing, I think of a ski mask. If I see people outside in masks, I think those people want to protect others. And how could that be wrong? Even to those who don't want to wear masks.
(And if I don't see someone wearing a mask, I don't make a judgement. Because I don't know why they aren't-- it could be physical, mental, or something else but it's not my business imo.)
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:shocked: :enraged:
It seems like Security boy was "please protect the health of everybody in this shop", & shooter was "I don't care about their health... or yours!!!" (cue sinister theme to shot)
It's like a movie scene featuring the dastardly villain!!!
If you read about the incident, that's not how it happened.
The lady had a mask on, but her daughter did not. The security guard said the daughter was not allowed in -- and then said that the cashier couldn't serve the lady. They ended up leaving, then coming back with other people, who then shot the guard. That's very summarized, I don't know what was said between the people.
It sounds more like "I didn't like how you treated me" then "you told me to wear a mask and I don't believe in that". Any act of violence, be it gun, knife, or fist breaks my heart. :( I'm very sad to hear this story.
My mom visited yesterday to drop off some medicine. Her and my stepdad wore a mask. It didn't strike me as too weird in my head. They kept their distance and it was just a very short hello. I think I see masks more for medical purposes, rather then burglary. If I think of someone stealing, I think of a ski mask. If I see people outside in masks, I think those people want to protect others. And how could that be wrong? Even to those who don't want to wear masks.
(And if I don't see someone wearing a mask, I don't make a judgement. Because I don't know why they aren't-- it could be physical, mental, or something else but it's not my business imo.)
Cheers for the update. It's just so unreal to me I came out wi a garble. Apologies if I made no sense.
In a way, the fact they left, came back then shot the guard makes it worse. Not like it isn't horrific enough in the first place
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Latest info from my county/state.
May 8th: Hair and nail salons can reopen
May 18th: Gyms can reopen but must keep capacity at 25% Non-essential manufactures may also reopen on that day.
High school graduations can happen after June 1st. Ceremonies must be held outside and graduates will only be allowed to have 4 guests.
My county is at 567 cases, 272 recovered and 46 deaths. The lake that I mentioned over the weekend is now limiting guests to 10 per car and has closed the shore so people can't gather in large crowds around it.
I keep hearing people talk about "Only" (x amount of deaths) as well. Sorry, but I really find all that stuff so distasteful. Or the talk of people "who would have died anyway". Tell that to their families.
I don't like when the media talks about deaths that way either. Every death is important.
Ponyfan
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welp.
the law makers have started a bill rolling that will cancel out any stay at home orders longer then 14 days.
We don't have difficult rules to follow. People are allowed out, they just have to follow social distancing when they do so. We have a slow opening with businesses, but everything WILL open with some rules in place.
u.u; we'll see how this goes, but I have a bad feeling it will eventually get passed.
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welp.
the law makers have started a bill rolling that will cancel out any stay at home orders longer then 14 days.
We don't have difficult rules to follow. People are allowed out, they just have to follow social distancing when they do so. We have a slow opening with businesses, but everything WILL open with some rules in place.
u.u; we'll see how this goes, but I have a bad feeling it will eventually get passed.
I really hope not. While this pandemic is bad... there are a lot of reasons in the future why a state might issue a stay at home order longer than 14 days. Natural disaster, riots, war, other diseases come to mind. And some states are are actually more at risk than others even now.
At the grocery, I saw an elderly man with no mask buying some lottery tickets. His optimism made me smile.
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So a lot came out from the press conference yesterday. The main message is now stay at home if you have health problems and keep the distance. And the advice is to keep on work from home. Everything that came out is only possible if there is no new peek of the virus.
11 May:
- Most contact professions are allowed again
- Practice sports outside
- Libraries are allowed to open
- A visiting arrangement for nursing homes is possible but it starts with a pilot
1 June:
- Outside terraces are allowed to open, inside restaurant 30 people only and with reservations upfront.
- Cinemas open up but 30 people only
- Museums up to 30 people so reservations upfront
- And the most drastic one: Public Transport start their complete service again but people have to wear face masks. If you don't you will be fined. It also says to travel only if necessary and keep the distance. To discourage people for a "day out" its not allowed anymore to take your bicycle on the train. Very silly because they forget that a lot of people have to travel further than just the train station.
Well the schedule goes on until September but first I have to see how this is going. I would be very glad to visit my favourite sushi place again. As for the public transport. The hunt for the masks has started. A shawl is not allowed.
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Rumours are that there will be some easing here from Monday, but starting slow with unlimited outdoor exercise, allowed to sunbathe in parks and such, possibly some pub gardens will open if they are able to do it safely, and garden centres which several MPs have been arguing for (if we can have stores like the Range opening despite selling about 3 items of food and in spite of the social distancing being an absolute fail, then having 90% outside garden centres with social distancing is a no brainer, surely. But this is what happens when urban people make national decisions.)
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Latest info from where I live.
575 cases, 47 deaths, 283 recovered.
The governor has ordered that bars, tattoo and massage parlors, bowling alleys, amusement parks, water parks, pools and splash pads will remain closed until further notice and will not reopen until the governor gives a specific order saying these businesses can reopen.
A woman in a major city in my state was arrested and put in jail for operating her hair salon when all salons were to remain closed under the non essential businesses order.
Ponyfan
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>_< This morning the news came that organizing massive events probably won't happen before there is a vaccin. And with massive they mean festivals, large concerts and every other event where people are packed like sardines.
Which means there is no exact date when people can start organise. And this is for after September 1st because all events are off until then.
Ofcourse this calls for a discussion because the neighbour countries could decide differently and it won't solve anything if the dutch decide to go over there.
I ordered a small stock of disposable masks since I would need them to travel to my job interviews. This is until I found a nice and affordable cloth one.
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I ordered a small stock of disposable masks since I would need them to travel to my job interviews. This is until I found a nice and affordable cloth one.
I'm sorry if this isn't the thread for it, but may I ask where you ordered them? I am depended on public transportation too, and to be honest I have absolutely no idea where to get masks...
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Here's a link to an article about a study done on the best materials for DIY masks: https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/best-coronavirus-face-mask-materials-new-study_l_5e99b576c5b6a92100e63129 (https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/best-coronavirus-face-mask-materials-new-study_l_5e99b576c5b6a92100e63129)
tldr: Canvas, denim, cotton sheets, paper towel are the most effective materials while still being breathable. Natural fibers are much more effective than synthetic. Scarves and single layer bandanas do little more than nothing.
Stay safe, y'all!
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I ordered a small stock of disposable masks since I would need them to travel to my job interviews. This is until I found a nice and affordable cloth one.
I'm sorry if this isn't the thread for it, but may I ask where you ordered them? I am depended on public transportation too, and to be honest I have absolutely no idea where to get masks...
You have pm :)
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Reporting from Northeast Wisconsin. We're at almost 400 deaths, 8000+ tests and about a third of that are coming up blanks. Toilet paper has been spotted!
Hubby and I continue to work from home until further notice, the dog is acting like a spoiled princess.
About half the people I see are wearing masks at stores; I go out for essentials every other week. Most masks are the sewn kind. (I wear a mask at stores and rubber lined gardening gloves, which I take off immediately when I get to the car.) When I walk the dog the streets/sidewalks are not crowded.
Salons opened up and few other non-essentials, state parks (but you can't camp). I honestly stopped watching the news about a week ago.
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Our province has started opening back up again in phases. :(
Although secretly everyone knows it's not because of "victory over the virus", it's because of the recession and economy. Most of the outbreaks have been confined to long-term seniors homes and warehouses/factory/assembly line production. So the government feels that we can all go back to work now with a little more caution taken towards hand-washing and chemical use, because it's only a serious concern to the Weak and Infirm. We "flattened the curve" so that ICU's in hospitals are not overworked with patients stacking up like wood and dying in the waiting rooms and hallways ; not so people with health issues would be safer. Kind of sad that people are so willing to write off the vulnerable population, but... apparently most Canadians are only a paycheque or two away from total financial disaster and that's more of a problem than having sad families plan funerals. :(
Lots of people wearing masks and gloves, but just as many are not. I'm going to get sick if someone is infected near me, mask or not, so it's up to me to wash my hands and not touch my face.
I did go on a drive around my neighborhood and filled up all the Little Free Library boxes, since I have seen a lot of people walking and checking them out. Apparently the virus doesn't live very well on paper sitting in the sun :)
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In southern oklahoma 2 McDonald's employees were shot for telling female patrons that the dining room was closed
In Kentucky a mod armed with assualt weapons stormed the capitol
Currently the hashtag/word "plandemic" is spreading around because some us citizens believe this is a hoax by the Democratic party (who are not in control rn as an aside) to take away "liberties" and "become like the novel 1984"
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In southern oklahoma 2 McDonald's employees were shot for telling female patrons that the dining room was closed
In Kentucky a mod armed with assualt weapons stormed the capitol
Currently the hashtag/word "plandemic" is spreading around because some us citizens believe this is a hoax by the Democratic party (who are not in control rn as an aside) to take away "liberties" and "become like the novel 1984"
The plandemic word also appeared on a placard for a very small and irritating protest here by the antivaxxers.
But that's another story.
Social media has much to answer for.
More shootings :(
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I return to work today, will be interesting to see how else the shopping environment has changed since I was quarantined. I was not tested.
My university sent out an email yesterday that boiled down to "There are many options, and we will sure pick one of them." I do hope for online classes again simply due to ease (I commute) and I think the general consensus is that we will have some online classes at least, but I get how hard it is to function in an online space and how this can complicate many facets of college. We're expecting to hear a decision by May 31st.
It sounds like the governor is allowing some counties to operate somewhat normally (yellow), but I'm pretty close to Philly so we are still considered "red". I do fear for a second wave as they keep trying to reopen more places...
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In southern oklahoma 2 McDonald's employees were shot for telling female patrons that the dining room was closed
In Kentucky a mod armed with assualt weapons stormed the capitol
Currently the hashtag/word "plandemic" is spreading around because some us citizens believe this is a hoax by the Democratic party (who are not in control rn as an aside) to take away "liberties" and "become like the novel 1984"
It gets worse... :shocked: :yikes: :enraged: :sad: :argh: :argh: :argh:
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Roy of Siegfried and Roy died from complications from the virus.
My state is now at 6,501 and 152 deaths. 2 Counties; Ford (Dodge City) and Wyandotte (Kansas City) have passed the 1,000 mark.
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Things will be confirmed tomorrow, but there are indications floating about seem to be opening garden centres (as soon as Wednesday)...quarantine/isolation rules at the borders with people coming in (which we haven't done at all throughout this crisis)...and a gradual easing with the govt slowly pulling out of the furlough support as businesses are able to reopen along the line...
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Shanghai Disney reopened BUT in the elserwhere - there were a few cases of local transmission - one was from a woman without a known source of the virus (no travel or contacts infected). This is causing quite a stir as people are seriously concerned about it rebounding. Most recent cases have either been from imported cases or having contact with a known infected person, so the government says. One city went back under complete lockdown as a result.
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We in Australia have a kind of Tracking app thats meant to quickly identify those exposed and what not, although I've read a few reports (aka Google recommended it to me and I read the title before dismissing it) that it doesn't work. I've heard through YouTube and other media that people are comparing it to a certain bad man's rule.
The info we're being told there's 6'948 total cases, a total of 96 have died and 6'179 cases recovered. Restrictions have eased but there's talk of a second wave.
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Last week there was a security guard at an Eastern Kentucky Family Dollar who was shot and killed for telling two men they had to wear masks in order to enter the store. I don't know if they were caught yet but the wife and girlfriend were arrested. The wife had spit on an employee.
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There's a confirmed case at my husband's office now, they gave technicians an optional furlough in april but office workers had to continue going into the office. And my husband's boss died suddenly yesterday, there's no way to know if it had anything to do with covid19 or just the huge stress he was under because of covid19 stuff.
They are ending the furloughs this Friday and going to have a big in office meeting, so he's really not wanting to do that
In my state we are at 11,799 infected and 591 who have died from it
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i'm not sure if there is just more testing in my area but there are almost 30 more cases and 2 more deaths in my area. restaurants, salons, gyms and pools reopened. so did parks so maybe its a spike from the social distancing easing. we went for a drive on saturday and some of the restaurants were definitely not at 25% capacity. i don't really think the orders are being enforced well.
we're still staying home and only driving around to stay sane. we are new to the area so we're trying to explore for when we fell safer going out. whenever that will be.
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Oh gosh SaraMari, I am so sorry to hear about your husband's boss. Whatever the cause is, that's terrible =/
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Thank you for the supportive words Koudoawaia, it's very appreciated 💕💕
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The bottom line is that no country in the world shuts down their economy for something that doesn't exist.
More importantly and worryingly for me, though, is when people act like it isn't a big deal or doesn't affect them. Those people need to take a long and hard look at themselves and wonder if their recklessness might cost another person their loved one. I say this as there was a story here yesterday of two ticket office staff at a station here who were deliberately coughed and spat on by a guy who claimed to have covid. Both got sick. Yesterday one with underlying health conditions passed away.
I don't think the terminology matters. What matters is protecting each other until there is a resolution like Banditpony says.
In the UK, opening up is officially beginning from tomorrow, in stages.
Garden centres are going to open.
Golf and other distanced sports can now be played.
Construction and manufacturing are encouraged to return to work.
All the above requires distancing. It also pretty much applies only to England, the devolved nations have slightly different rules and I think are not going as far as England seems to be.
You can go out as much as you like, exercise, sunbathe, picnic, play team sports with members of your household (ie football, etc). You can meet someone from another household outside, but only one person, and you must be outside and 2 metres apart.
People should not use public transport if they can avoid it still.
Facial coverings are advised but not mandated in enclosed spaces like transport. They are not advised for small children, people who would have trouble safely putting them on and taking them off unaided, and people with respiratory conditions such as asthma.
There was a big 50 page document released on Monday and more stuff is coming out over these few days. The business support scheme is continuing till October with a phased return. There won't be any other retail opening till probably July. Hairdressing and anything that means social distancing is impossible are off the table for the longest, also hospitality.
We will be probably enforcing self-isolation/checks/etc at entrance points - airports, the Eurostar hub, ferry terminals. But these rules do not apply to people coming from Ireland or, for some random reason, France.
...And that's how the UK is as of today.
For people shielding like my mother, nothing has changed and there is no indication it will change any time before at the very earliest July.
Sister still can't come home :( But at least right now her partner doesn't have to physically go to work (he is manager of an electronics store) and she can still work from home.
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You can go out as much as you like, exercise, sunbathe, picnic, play team sports with members of your household (ie football, etc). You can meet someone from another household outside, but only one person, and you must be outside and 2 metres apart.
I'm glad to hear the restriction about staying inside the home is lifted. I feel like that can help with mental health just to be outdoors.
But anyone shielding is not allowed to do so, right? Like a stroll around the block is still not ok?
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You can go out as much as you like, exercise, sunbathe, picnic, play team sports with members of your household (ie football, etc). You can meet someone from another household outside, but only one person, and you must be outside and 2 metres apart.
I'm glad to hear the restriction about staying inside the home is lifted. I feel like that can help with mental health just to be outdoors.
But anyone shielding is not allowed to do so, right? Like a stroll around the block is still not ok?
No, still not okay. Mum has snuck out with supervision on occasion when it's been quiet, but in general, it's not allowed...
Dad and I have also been out walking but not into a shop or anything, and only once a week for a very short spell of time.
We do have a garden, thank goodness. I hate to think what would happen if we didn't.
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Ah, that stinks for her to be stuck in so long. :(
local news--
Some of the hospitals in my area are seeing kids with the multi-system inflammatory syndrome.. u_u; which is super scary to me as a mom.
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Even though we're still considered a "red" county, more people are being let into our stores/we aren't being as strict with capacity.
The new virus cases in PA and NJ are lowering! At least in new cases spotted day to day. Could of course tie in with testing being hard to get to, but a bit of an uplifting statistic.
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Today I saw a local PSA about safety during the opening of BBQ season. I cannot believe people needed the reminder, but ...
PLEASE remember to let your hand sanitizer dry FULLY (and evaporate) before you stick your hands over/in the BBQ grill!
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Ah, that stinks for her to be stuck in so long. :(
local news--
Some of the hospitals in my area are seeing kids with the multi-system inflammatory syndrome.. u_u; which is super scary to me as a mom.
If you can, try not to get too worried by the reports of this syndrome. It's an extremely rare complication for the disease. In fact, here half of the children flagged with it didn't even test positive for Covid so it may just be people more aware of these cases that normally wouldn't get so much attention because some cases have had a positive test result.
Wishing your family the best :)
@LBS - that doesn't even bear thinking about ><
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There's now a petition for justice for the deceased rail worker you mentioned Taffeta. I just signed it.
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Ah, that stinks for her to be stuck in so long. :(
local news--
Some of the hospitals in my area are seeing kids with the multi-system inflammatory syndrome.. u_u; which is super scary to me as a mom.
If you can, try not to get too worried by the reports of this syndrome. It's an extremely rare complication for the disease. In fact, here half of the children flagged with it didn't even test positive for Covid so it may just be people more aware of these cases that normally wouldn't get so much attention because some cases have had a positive test result.
Wishing your family the best :)
Yeah, I mean I guess I meant that more generally. I can relate to those moms whose kid has something rare where the doctors don't know much about it. (Not the hospitalization part, just the rare part, and unknown part).
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It sounds like (as far as we know) we've already had the peak in PA.
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I have hopes this will all end soon. But the practical side of me is giving my hopes a hard slap. The novelty has certainly worn off. I miss seeing my sister's family. :cry: :cry: :cry:
And the news is no help at all with bad and conflicting information.
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616 cases, 50 deaths 373 recovered.
A few more things have opened up but I am still going out only when necessary. The local news media keeps saying that the next few weeks will tell if the state reopened too early because the number of cases will increase greatly due to more stores being open and more people going out.
The last 2 times I have been to the store, I've seen people running through the store, not wearing masks or maintaining social distancing. I'm afraid that a lot of people think the crisis is over and they can do whatever they want now since the stay at home order expired. Today I saw a woman place her toddler on the floor and watched the toddler put her hands on the floor before the woman picked her back up.
Gyms can reopen on Monday at 25% capacity. Hair salons have reopened but they are only taking cash and customers must wear a mask while getting their hair done.
Ponyfan
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This weekend marks 2 months of our family being in essential lockdown. It's been 2 months since I got on a bus, went to a town store, or did anything outside other than gardening or walking round the local area (with one 5 minute trip exception to a local store about 6 weeks ago). It's kind of sobering when you think of it like that.
Hospital cases are down here, and they've given some stats by region about the infection rate. The midlands is believed to have come down but there's still a belief that there's a lot of people getting infected.
Meanwhile all the various agencies are having a squabble about whether some schools can open on June 1st.
Frankly I'd rather stay home right now :P
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The number of confirmed people infected with the coronavirus in Hungary now stands at 3,473. In compulsory home quarantine: 10,742. Recovered: 1,371. Deceased: 448.
Source: abouthungary dot hu
Today was the last day of the population's representative testing with about 16.000 invited people from the 10.000.000.
Our government says that the half time results show a very low infection level as only 2 people were tested to be actively infected from the about 8.000 who had already tested.
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Most of the colleges in the state announced going online for the fall 2020 semester. Shops can open for curbside pick up, the malls and movie theaters won’t open till stage three. Each county is initiating some part of stage 2 but there is confusion. Over when the mandatory shelter in place will end.
I'm not going to change my routine if it ends as listed on May 31st as I ha e underlying health issues. Masks are required when shopping and when in public. Not everyone is following the rules adding to confusion etc. Taking walks, hiking and going to the beach are allowed. As long as people social
distancing.
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Our stay at home order is completely pulled it seems, and everything is a suggestion under a "health advisory". I have mixed feelings, as I would of liked there to of been a trend down or antibody testing available to everyone. But since it came out no where and didn't seem in line with his original plans, there was some political force behind it.. the governor was trying to avoid the courts to overrule what he had done.
I wouldn't care as much, if people took it seriously with just some social distancing when in public places. All this time it's kinda like eh, people are going to gather anyway, and that's their thing. But if they are out in public, then they should be more mindful, since they don't know the health condition of the person next to them.
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Yesterday there was another press conference and everything that is planned for June 1st is through.
So restaurants are allowed to open, inside 30 people only and outside unlimited. But keep the social distancing in mind and you need to make a reservation. My favourite sushi place: here I come :)
Public transport is going to be on full schedule again but with marked seats. Still the advise is to travel when necessary and don't use as a nice day out. But I am pretty sure that will happen. Facial masks must be worn, for those who don't risk a 95 euro fine. Meanwhile the masks start to show up at stores and I found affordable fabric ones. So I am settled :)
Schools start to open up more. And the government insist that those who live far away should not be using the public transport. So either walk, bike, brought buy their parents or school has to create a solution.
Cinemas and theatres are open too, 30 people only.
The zoo and other entertainment places are open too but not full capacity and reservations upfront.
The only branches that are not set to be opened soon are the gyms and the performers with lots of audiences.
Overall its also starts to look like a kindergarten. "he is allowed to open, I want to open too". There is a reason why there is an opening schedule.
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Here's the latest info where I live. 630 cases, 50 deaths 401 people recovered.
People are still acting like the "strong suggestions" (We're encouraged to wear masks but unless a business/office has specifically stated that you must wear a mask to enter it's encouraged but not required.) don't apply to them. I saw 2 people today that wore a mask to enter a store but once inside they pulled their mask down so their mouths and noses were exposed. In my opinion that defeats the purpose of wearing a mask
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You're exactly right. That does defeat the purpose of wearing a mask.
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I haven't watched many of the UK briefings lately, but I know that our testing is finally getting a lot better. Statistically now testing more per million than Germany and the US but not as many per million as Italy or Spain. Still work to do.
Priti Patel gave today's briefing, apparently. So glad I missed that. Really cannot stand her.
...In other news, numbers in the UK are steadily on the downward slope, but it is going slowly.
And people decided to pack south west beaches.
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We are at Phase 1 re-open which means medical care, dentists, restaurants, etc. No gyms or pools or movie theaters or summer camp though. We just all have to be distancing, so basically at less than half capacity. Anybody with digital no-contact payment /services is doing much better in sales obviously.
I'm planning on becoming much more of a recluse this summer and working from my garden. :D My workplace already decided that we are working from home most of the time and having a day or two be our "office day". we all have our own offices and hated being boxed up. but now it works for us!
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Our cases have been expanding rapidly. We are at 1032 cases now and today the local news media released a list of exposure sites that includes many bars and restaurants.
Ponyfan
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Well, my state is in the news both for the stupid Trump rally and also the cases apparently doubled yesterday. Lovely. If we had just stayed closed up longer maybe we'd actually be getting better instead of this. *shakes head*
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Well, my state is in the news both for the stupid Trump rally and also the cases apparently doubled yesterday. Lovely. If we had just stayed closed up longer maybe we'd actually be getting better instead of this. *shakes head*
Stay safe Harmonie!
I'm in Texas outside of Austin. In my area we crossed 1000 cases this week. I'm just so disappointed in us. Amusement parks are reopening at max 50% capacity. i guess outdoor parks in the hot sun may be safer. i still can't imagine going to a restaurant.
Our governor is pushing to reopen everything and leaders of our largest cities are trying to pull back or at least get people to wear masks. the masks are annoying and i know people with breathing problems have a lot of trouble with them. but it seems like if people who can wear masks wear them it will also protect those who can't wear masks. it just seems like the least people could do. in the city it seems like more people wear masks but in the more rural areas i see less people wearing them. We get take out sometimes and go pick up groceries.
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Stay safe Harmonie!
Thanks, you too!
Thankfully, my family and I are staying home. We rarely go into stores, we usually do pick up or delivery (which is all I've done, I haven't seen the inside of a store in a very long time), and we only do pick up/delivery for meals from outside the house, too. I can not imagine going to a restaurant!
The only time I have actually gone into somewhere is for doctor's appointments, my MRI, etc. I always wear a mask, and I notice that people have been very good about wearing masks in the hospitals. That's nice because I've heard it's not the case elsewhere.
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We are moving backwards where I live. All reopenings have been paused at their current state. Bars are closed again and restaurants have to go back to 50% capacity instead of 75% People are still encouraged to wear face coverings and all businesses must require employees to wear them.
Ponyfan
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There's been some stuff on the news here about case numbers going up stateside.
Stay safe everyone, especially since the July 4th holiday is just around the corner.
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Yeah Texas is in big trouble. With Father's day last weekend and the 4th coming up a lot of people are just going to go to each other's homes and spread it around more. I know that people need to stay home and not go see family, got out to eat etc. I just wish people would behave without laws. The idea of forcing people to stay home makes me uncomfortable. I know it may be the only way. but Texans don't like to be told what to do.
Also i'm sure a lot of business will go under now. It makes no sense to reopen bars and then tell people to stay home. If bars are open people will go to them. Pay businesses to stay closed and pay their employees.
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Cases are definitely increasing again but no one wants to be told what to do so I doubt anyone will actually stay home. My county is in the Green phase somehow.
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I'm actually really frustrated at the amount of uncooperation. If everyone would just follow the guidelines and be patient then we could go back to the normal lives so many people are rushing to way too quickly. I want a normal life again too but it can't happen until the virus is gone or under control and I am very frustrated that these people are making it take longer than it needs to.
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I'm very frustrated that people aren't cooperating with stay at home orders but i feel like the media is so misleading. and i'm not talking about Fox News or "right wing" media. The local news here in Texas and more mainstream if not "left leaning" sources like NPR and the New York Times keep saying that younger people (under 35) need to take the coronavirus seriously and then they say most healthy young people have mild symptoms or no symptoms at all. i mean i'm not sure i would have stayed home at 22 with such mixed messaging. the local tv here is full of ads from local businesses saying that they are back open and to come buy cars and shop.
i wanted texas to stay shut down but i understand why business want to open. we all need to keep eating and paying our bills. but people are upset that businesses are open but have no plan to support business owners and their employees if work shuts down. it makes no sense. we can't have it both ways.
it just really makes me angry that we can't get it together to help businesses stay closed, pay employees, and be able to reopen when we get this virus under control. we're too afraid that people will not go back to work if they're getting too much money from unemployment. staying home is exactly what we should be able to do. no one should have to go back to a dangerous work environment because the government thinks they are too lazy and want to sit around at home. i just don't believe that people would rather stay home than work but work isn't safe right now. at least not right now in most of Texas. ugh i'm sorry if this is too political but the coronavirus response is political.
Also when people have money they spend it and fuel the economy which is what we need right now. Texas is a car state. we can safely drive to local businesses. if people can go get take out or curbside we can help local businesses stay afloat. but if no one has money we're just stuck.
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I'm not going to advocate the UK response to this crisis as there have been a lot of issues and holes and problems that should have been sorted. And there's a real risk that if this rather rushed 'gradual reopening' goes wrong that we'll have a second spike. I'm a bit worried about that.
On the other hand lockdown began to be eased in mid May but to the extent that I think they let garden centres open and people were allowed to go out more than once a day for exercise. From end March to Mid May nobody was supposed to go out driving anywhere and the police would send them home/fine them if they tried to do that.
Shops opened here on June 15th I think, but hairdressers, restaurants, bars, etc are still closed until the 4th July. And even after that point gyms and swimming pools are still closed. Shielding people have been told to stay shielded till August 1st, and they want to monitor what happens locally and nationally. Scotland and Wales have been more strict on some of these things than England. I think shops in Wales only opened this past week, and nobody is allowed to travel beyond 5 miles from their home in Wales.
So the unlocking has been pretty slow so far. What worries me is whether things will explode when they allow cinemas, restaurants, bars, hotels to open, as they're also going to mitigate the 2m rule in some places and that to me is a bad thing. It almost makes me happy that the shielding advice keeps us grounded for another month ><.
We've had some local outbreaks in factories and community areas which the govt are trying to tackle with PHE. The PM calls it 'whack a mole'. Sigh.
From 6th July it also looks like our quarantine on entering the country will be removed for certain countries where infection rates are low and travel corridors have been established.
The one really big positive here is that our testing is much much much better than it was in March. We're testing more per capita than many other countries are.
..Meanwhile I'm worried about India. One of my best friends lives in Mumbai and she says it's pretty bad over there ><.
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Face coverings are now mandatory state wide in public unless you qualify for an exemption. Public gatherings can have no more than 10 people. Some of the exemptions include children under 10, going to a restaurant to eat, having a medical condition that makes it difficult to wear a face covering.
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