Yes, hasbro has never done that before *cough* TFP Cliffjumper *cough*
I don't get the idea of wanting new characters in the G1 style for a retro rerelease. Isn't the point of a retro rerelease a chance to reconnect with the iconic characters you remember and give newer generations a chance to get to know them? Like I don't think the SSC retro rereleases would be as popular if they released "Pomegranate Smoothie" instead of Strawberry herself. That said I can kinda understand wanting the original characters in new poses because it's still the same character.
I really think $10 would be a good price point too. It's still affordable enough for a nostalgic impulse purchase but not so cheap that they wouldn't be able to deliver a quality product.
I don't get the idea of wanting new characters in the G1 style for a retro rerelease. Isn't the point of a retro rerelease a chance to reconnect with the iconic characters you remember and give newer generations a chance to get to know them? Like I don't think the SSC retro rereleases would be as popular if they released "Pomegranate Smoothie" instead of Strawberry herself. That said I can kinda understand wanting the original characters in new poses because it's still the same character.
I really think $10 would be a good price point too. It's still affordable enough for a nostalgic impulse purchase but not so cheap that they wouldn't be able to deliver a quality product.
It'd be tying previous ones together. Look at Transformers for example, they've got a lot of the old, mixed in with much of the new.
Or how new Thundercats stayed true to the original in many ways, but fleshed everything out better.
I don't get the idea of wanting new characters in the G1 style for a retro rerelease. Isn't the point of a retro rerelease a chance to reconnect with the iconic characters you remember and give newer generations a chance to get to know them? Like I don't think the SSC retro rereleases would be as popular if they released "Pomegranate Smoothie" instead of Strawberry herself. That said I can kinda understand wanting the original characters in new poses because it's still the same character.
I really think $10 would be a good price point too. It's still affordable enough for a nostalgic impulse purchase but not so cheap that they wouldn't be able to deliver a quality product.
It'd be tying previous ones together. Look at Transformers for example, they've got a lot of the old, mixed in with much of the new.
Or how new Thundercats stayed true to the original in many ways, but fleshed everything out better.
Oh I'm not saying new characters couldn't be added just that I don't get how someone would want only new characters to totally replace the original characters. Like I bet a retro version of Cherry Jam would be liked well enough alongside the classic characters.
We could also have some new characters to fill in what seem like gaps (like unicorn and pegasi Big Brothers). I would also like to see Waterfire and G3 Merryweather as G1 ponies. They seem like they would fit well.I don't get the idea of wanting new characters in the G1 style for a retro rerelease. Isn't the point of a retro rerelease a chance to reconnect with the iconic characters you remember and give newer generations a chance to get to know them? Like I don't think the SSC retro rereleases would be as popular if they released "Pomegranate Smoothie" instead of Strawberry herself. That said I can kinda understand wanting the original characters in new poses because it's still the same character.
I really think $10 would be a good price point too. It's still affordable enough for a nostalgic impulse purchase but not so cheap that they wouldn't be able to deliver a quality product.
It'd be tying previous ones together. Look at Transformers for example, they've got a lot of the old, mixed in with much of the new.
Or how new Thundercats stayed true to the original in many ways, but fleshed everything out better.
Oh I'm not saying new characters couldn't be added just that I don't get how someone would want only new characters to totally replace the original characters. Like I bet a retro version of Cherry Jam would be liked well enough alongside the classic characters.
I wouldn't want new G1 shows, movies, or even shorts. I haven't watched much of the G1 stuff yet but I just don't trust anyone not to ruin it. I mean, companies already throw out canon and ruin enough of their own stuff! I can't see G1 getting treated any better.
G1 toys though? I'm so down for that! I'm loving the little retro toys we're getting and I hope it continues. Re-releases like the Strawberry Shortcake dolls would be cool, or even new characters in old molds. G4 blindbag size/price G1 blindbags would be really awesome too.
I wouldn't want new G1 shows, movies, or even shorts. I haven't watched much of the G1 stuff yet but I just don't trust anyone not to ruin it. I mean, companies already throw out canon and ruin enough of their own stuff! I can't see G1 getting treated any better.
G1 toys though? I'm so down for that! I'm loving the little retro toys we're getting and I hope it continues. Re-releases like the Strawberry Shortcake dolls would be cool, or even new characters in old molds. G4 blindbag size/price G1 blindbags would be really awesome too.
Ooh I'd love new, old-timey strawberry shortcake stuff!
I don't get the idea of wanting new characters in the G1 style for a retro rerelease. Isn't the point of a retro rerelease a chance to reconnect with the iconic characters you remember and give newer generations a chance to get to know them? Like I don't think the SSC retro rereleases would be as popular if they released "Pomegranate Smoothie" instead of Strawberry herself. That said I can kinda understand wanting the original characters in new poses because it's still the same character.
I don't get the idea of wanting new characters in the G1 style for a retro rerelease. Isn't the point of a retro rerelease a chance to reconnect with the iconic characters you remember and give newer generations a chance to get to know them? Like I don't think the SSC retro rereleases would be as popular if they released "Pomegranate Smoothie" instead of Strawberry herself. That said I can kinda understand wanting the original characters in new poses because it's still the same character.
Because for many of us, it isn't about emotional attachment to a specific character, per se. It's about collecting all the pretty ponies. And most of the primary characters from the cartoons are common enough that must of us already own one or two. And at any rate, even if I don't own it, I can still buy most of them for the same price as buying something new in the store. Having a new character in an old mold gives us something new while still preserving the nostalgia. But I think this would only work if it were actual brushable toys.
If they do figurines, it would probably be better to use the original characters.
Yeah, if they release common characters again in the same poses, then what's the point? I could see giving them to children, but that's about it. Especially if they aren't as good of quality as the originals, that was a lot of folks' complaint about the previous re-releases. Now if they released interesting poses, new characters, or re-releases of rare ponies, then I would be excited about them even if the quality wasn't quite the same. Re-released Lady Bird anyone?I don't get the idea of wanting new characters in the G1 style for a retro rerelease. Isn't the point of a retro rerelease a chance to reconnect with the iconic characters you remember and give newer generations a chance to get to know them? Like I don't think the SSC retro rereleases would be as popular if they released "Pomegranate Smoothie" instead of Strawberry herself. That said I can kinda understand wanting the original characters in new poses because it's still the same character.
Because for many of us, it isn't about emotional attachment to a specific character, per se. It's about collecting all the pretty ponies. And most of the primary characters from the cartoons are common enough that must of us already own one or two. And at any rate, even if I don't own it, I can still buy most of them for the same price as buying something new in the store. Having a new character in an old mold gives us something new while still preserving the nostalgia. But I think this would only work if it were actual brushable toys.
If they do figurines, it would probably be better to use the original characters.
The quality of a media adaptation is what would worry me. The thought of making Wind Whistler just a copy of Twilight Sparkle or Fizzy a copy of Pinkie Pie because they have the most superficial similarities. No thank you.
I guess if they could find people who worked on the original show to serve as consultants, it could work. Or give them the writer's guide from the original series and flesh out its ideas more.
I don't know that a lot of G1 collectors really want new G1 media content. It's discussed a lot, but always in the context of this perfect thing that 'could be'. I don't know that MLP collectors are prepared to handle the reality that a G1 reboot could be mediocre, lackluster, and majorly change / overhaul the old characters (if they were even used). So I think that is something to think about before clamoring for G1 content. Will we accept it if it is not very good?
I don't know that a lot of G1 collectors really want new G1 media content. It's discussed a lot, but always in the context of this perfect thing that 'could be'. I don't know that MLP collectors are prepared to handle the reality that a G1 reboot could be mediocre, lackluster, and majorly change / overhaul the old characters (if they were even used). So I think that is something to think about before clamoring for G1 content. Will we accept it if it is not very good?
Agree with this. Two words to sum that idea up:
Jem movie.
Nuff said.
And in the case of Jem, the original writer/creator is around, would have been involved and was not consulted.
Another two words.
Jem Comic.
I dunno why but it seems the comics do a better job with retro properties than anything else does.
Another two words.
Jem Comic.
I dunno why but it seems the comics do a better job with retro properties than anything else does.
I don't know that a lot of G1 collectors really want new G1 media content. It's discussed a lot, but always in the context of this perfect thing that 'could be'. I don't know that MLP collectors are prepared to handle the reality that a G1 reboot could be mediocre, lackluster, and majorly change / overhaul the old characters (if they were even used). So I think that is something to think about before clamoring for G1 content. Will we accept it if it is not very good?
Agree with this. Two words to sum that idea up:
Jem movie.
Nuff said.
And in the case of Jem, the original writer/creator is around, would have been involved and was not consulted.
I don't know that a lot of G1 collectors really want new G1 media content. It's discussed a lot, but always in the context of this perfect thing that 'could be'. I don't know that MLP collectors are prepared to handle the reality that a G1 reboot could be mediocre, lackluster, and majorly change / overhaul the old characters (if they were even used). So I think that is something to think about before clamoring for G1 content. Will we accept it if it is not very good?
Agree with this. Two words to sum that idea up:
Jem movie.
Nuff said.
And in the case of Jem, the original writer/creator is around, would have been involved and was not consulted.
Shh Taffeta, it's alright. :hug: The Jem movie was nothing more then a strange nightmare.
;)
In all seriousness though, why do they almost always screw up the girls franchises?
Look at what they did to Care Bears with the first moden reboot. Lifeless, creepy CGI.
Or the awfulness of Strawberry Shortcake and Rainbow Brute.
Compare it to the relatively popular reboots of TMNT, and the sadly short-lived and totally awesome Thundercats.
I'll just be happy with good quality retro toys thanks. Both old ponies and brand spanking new ones in the G1 style.
Another two words.
Jem Comic.
I dunno why but it seems the comics do a better job with retro properties than anything else does.
For me you can add that to Jem Movie as a reason not to touch it. Another example of fanfiction winning over canon without the remotest explanation of why or how. Admittedly, it's better than the movie fiasco, but, rather like Al said, distorting original stuff is a problem for a lot of fans. I'm not okay with things in the comic that have zero basis in the original series, thus I won't read it. And with what LM said, the same happened with TF. The risk to MLP in this world of G4 and the saccharin world of FIM is a ponyland that really doesn't resonate with what we remember.
I still vote that we should let sleeping ponies lie. The past is what it was, it was beautiful, let's not tarnish it by forcing it into the present.
As much as I love G1 I don't think a remake of the cartoon and toys would be a good idea. From what I've seen, when third-party companies try to remake stuff from the 80's it usually turns out bad.
As much as I love G1 I don't think a remake of the cartoon and toys would be a good idea. From what I've seen, when third-party companies try to remake stuff from the 80's it usually turns out bad. I wouldn't mind seeing more g1 inspired stuff for collectors in stores though. I don't really mean a remake of the toys from the 80's but more t-shirts, other clothing, and things like that.
I get so aggravated when I see a G1 shirt and it's for juniors or little kids. It won't mean anything to them except it has a pony on it. They weren't around when MLP was on TV in the 80's.
Agreed. There's also a lot of retro TMNT merchandise in little kids' sizes. Kids today weren't around for the '80's Turtles, either, but I think it's neat that they're on a lot of the merchandise instead of it only being the current Nick version that's available. And I think a lot of today's kids would probably love the silliness of the '80's Turtles if introduced to it. Retro merchandise in kids' sizes is a good thing, as far as I'm concerned. It helps bring in a new generation of fans!
I'd be totally fine with retro re-releases (Bridge Direct is making some amazing Strawberry Shortcake ones) merchandise, TV series, what-have-you. Really. Anything they want to release, I'm willing to at least give them a chance. :)
I know it won't live up to my childhood, 80's memories. I've made peace with that. But I'd love to have some pony stuff that I'm excited to buy in stores again. It's been such a long time and I'm just not a g4 collector.
But that's just me.
As much as I love G1 I don't think a remake of the cartoon and toys would be a good idea. From what I've seen, when third-party companies try to remake stuff from the 80's it usually turns out bad. I wouldn't mind seeing more g1 inspired stuff for collectors in stores though. I don't really mean a remake of the toys from the 80's but more t-shirts, other clothing, and things like that.
I get so aggravated when I see a G1 shirt and it's for juniors or little kids. It won't mean anything to them except it has a pony on it. They weren't around when MLP was on TV in the 80's.
Is it fair to say little ones shouldn't get a G1 t shirt because they only know it has a pony on it?
I know some older girls who love the G1 show. No reason they can't enjoy the show as well as a pony on a shirt....but let's be honest, you and me both are just frustrated we can't fit into the pony shirt we see in front of us, right?
I'm often frustrated I can't find G4 stuff for young enough kids to put it on my G4 plushes...but that's another topic.
I think putting G1 pony stuff on little kid clothes will snag at least some of them into interest in watching the old show maybe it should come with a DVD! The old show has a lot of extreme adventure and stuff that G3 lacked and G4's adventures aren't usually as good either so I think it's great if little ones can be guided to the G1 show by any means possible.
But as far as media it seems pointless. It really would just end up being FIM with a new veneer.I don't want G1 ponies brought into FiM too much. Why? Because the more G1 characters they bring to the Brony fandom, the more Bronies will start buying up G1 ponies and causing the prices to skyrocket. It's already starting to be a problem, and if Hasbro gives the new fans more reason to want G1s, they will completely annihilate the collector community.
Because the more G1 characters they bring to the Brony fandom, the more Bronies will start buying up G1 ponies and causing the prices to skyrocket. It's already starting to be a problem\
So you're basically saying bronies don't have the rights to be g1 fans because it will be harder for older fans?That's a little selfish if that's what you meant.And don't worry, a lot of bronies think g1s are ugly so even if they put more g1 characters in g4 they will not care about the g1 originals, they will care about fanmade g4 versions of them.But as far as media it seems pointless. It really would just end up being FIM with a new veneer.I don't want G1 ponies brought into FiM too much. Why? Because the more G1 characters they bring to the Brony fandom, the more Bronies will start buying up G1 ponies and causing the prices to skyrocket. It's already starting to be a problem, and if Hasbro gives the new fans more reason to want G1s, they will completely annihilate the collector community.
Now, collector re-releases like they did in 2007 for the 25th anniversary would be fine. Just don't introduce them into the show.
But as far as media it seems pointless. It really would just end up being FIM with a new veneer.I don't want G1 ponies brought into FiM too much. Why? Because the more G1 characters they bring to the Brony fandom, the more Bronies will start buying up G1 ponies and causing the prices to skyrocket. It's already starting to be a problem, and if Hasbro gives the new fans more reason to want G1s, they will completely annihilate the collector community.
Now, collector re-releases like they did in 2007 for the 25th anniversary would be fine. Just don't introduce them into the show.
And even if that was true, i think it's a little too late to worry about that: it's been 5 or 6 years since the brony fandom started.But as far as media it seems pointless. It really would just end up being FIM with a new veneer.I don't want G1 ponies brought into FiM too much. Why? Because the more G1 characters they bring to the Brony fandom, the more Bronies will start buying up G1 ponies and causing the prices to skyrocket. It's already starting to be a problem, and if Hasbro gives the new fans more reason to want G1s, they will completely annihilate the collector community.
Now, collector re-releases like they did in 2007 for the 25th anniversary would be fine. Just don't introduce them into the show.
That is a crazy and presumptuous claim. :pout: There are lots of FiM fans that have become fans of older gens and the Vintage Toy market will rise and fall regardless of who becomes a fan of said toy franchise and who does not.
And even if that was true, i think it's a little too late to worry about that: it's been 5 or 6 years since the brony fandom started.But as far as media it seems pointless. It really would just end up being FIM with a new veneer.I don't want G1 ponies brought into FiM too much. Why? Because the more G1 characters they bring to the Brony fandom, the more Bronies will start buying up G1 ponies and causing the prices to skyrocket. It's already starting to be a problem, and if Hasbro gives the new fans more reason to want G1s, they will completely annihilate the collector community.
Now, collector re-releases like they did in 2007 for the 25th anniversary would be fine. Just don't introduce them into the show.
That is a crazy and presumptuous claim. :pout: There are lots of FiM fans that have become fans of older gens and the Vintage Toy market will rise and fall regardless of who becomes a fan of said toy franchise and who does not.
I still vote that we should let sleeping ponies lie. The past is what it was, it was beautiful, let's not tarnish it by forcing it into the present.
Are you kidding??? Please make retro Peachy or baby cuddles a FIM character so I can sell doubles for silly prices and buy rare G1s I need with my peachy money!!:rofl:
Yeah, if they release common characters again in the same poses, then what's the point? I could see giving them to children, but that's about it. Especially if they aren't as good of quality as the originals, that was a lot of folks' complaint about the previous re-releases. Now if they released interesting poses, new characters, or re-releases of rare ponies, then I would be excited about them even if the quality wasn't quite the same. Re-released Lady Bird anyone?
Agreed. There's also a lot of retro TMNT merchandise in little kids' sizes. Kids today weren't around for the '80's Turtles, either, but I think it's neat that they're on a lot of the merchandise instead of it only being the current Nick version that's available. And I think a lot of today's kids would probably love the silliness of the '80's Turtles if introduced to it. Retro merchandise in kids' sizes is a good thing, as far as I'm concerned. It helps bring in a new generation of fans!
This is where things are often actually for the parents. I like to buy my niece TMNT stuff because my brother in law likes them. Then they get to match! I've never been into TMNT myself, and I still really like some of the re-release stuff they have out right now.
But as far as media it seems pointless. It really would just end up being FIM with a new veneer.I don't want G1 ponies brought into FiM too much. Why? Because the more G1 characters they bring to the Brony fandom, the more Bronies will start buying up G1 ponies and causing the prices to skyrocket. It's already starting to be a problem, and if Hasbro gives the new fans more reason to want G1s, they will completely annihilate the collector community.
Now, collector re-releases like they did in 2007 for the 25th anniversary would be fine. Just don't introduce them into the show.
Ehhhh. the retro market will always be more identifiable characters. millions will get warm fuzzies seeing bluebelle or bowtie (or any of the show ponies. NSS paradise anyone? mom and baby movie sets?) on a shelf again, and feel that feeling from a toyshop in the 80's they remember. People not on these boards won't feel anything super special to a lady bird or other obscure out of country release.
I still vote that we should let sleeping ponies lie. The past is what it was, it was beautiful, let's not tarnish it by forcing it into the present.
*nod* This has always been my view on it.
I love all the retro shirts that have been coming out, and stuff like the Dollymix ponies or the Running Press ponies, but anything further than that.. nope. I've never really been interested in the thought of G1s getting rereleased in G4 molds or G1 coming back or what-have-you. I like multi-gen customs (G1 -> G4 etc) but I wouldn't really want them to be an actual official thing. Not that I'd exactly be up in arms if they did ever happen, but I'd much prefer a new G4 character instead of retreading old ground, you know?
As for the quality. we apparently got what we asked for. I totally missed out on the "poll" that happened. they asked us what we wanted to pay, we said $5 a pony. we got $5 a pony quality in our get three ponies for around $15 giftsets. UGH. that explained the wonky cast, horrible hair and cheap everything.
I do like them handy to have modern safe toys to hand out to kids. I personally would love to see an adult market collectible $60-$75 giftset. like they do with barbie (that I don't collect) in a really really beautiful package. maybe make a colour truer to how they appeared in the art, or show but those "common girls", but of great quality (beautiful hair and casts, beautiful painted features) but to me the package will have to be a knockout, covered with real high quality G1 style art and not computer clippings. and the boxes will have to be interesting and beautiful on display.
As for the quality. we apparently got what we asked for. I totally missed out on the "poll" that happened. they asked us what we wanted to pay, we said $5 a pony. we got $5 a pony quality in our get three ponies for around $15 giftsets. UGH. that explained the wonky cast, horrible hair and cheap everything.
I do like them handy to have modern safe toys to hand out to kids. I personally would love to see an adult market collectible $60-$75 giftset. like they do with barbie (that I don't collect) in a really really beautiful package. maybe make a colour truer to how they appeared in the art, or show but those "common girls", but of great quality (beautiful hair and casts, beautiful painted features) but to me the package will have to be a knockout, covered with real high quality G1 style art and not computer clippings. and the boxes will have to be interesting and beautiful on display.
I personally think the price point should be somewhere in between. The reason the retro releases of SSC are doing well is because they are just the right price for a nostalgic parent to feel okay with getting them for their kids to play with. A $10 pony would have good quality and an attractive price point and not feel like a fancy collectors item that should stay in box and never be played with. That would limit the market too much.
As for the quality. we apparently got what we asked for. I totally missed out on the "poll" that happened. they asked us what we wanted to pay, we said $5 a pony. we got $5 a pony quality in our get three ponies for around $15 giftsets. UGH. that explained the wonky cast, horrible hair and cheap everything.
I do like them handy to have modern safe toys to hand out to kids. I personally would love to see an adult market collectible $60-$75 giftset. like they do with barbie (that I don't collect) in a really really beautiful package. maybe make a colour truer to how they appeared in the art, or show but those "common girls", but of great quality (beautiful hair and casts, beautiful painted features) but to me the package will have to be a knockout, covered with real high quality G1 style art and not computer clippings. and the boxes will have to be interesting and beautiful on display.
I personally think the price point should be somewhere in between. The reason the retro releases of SSC are doing well is because they are just the right price for a nostalgic parent to feel okay with getting them for their kids to play with. A $10 pony would have good quality and an attractive price point and not feel like a fancy collectors item that should stay in box and never be played with. That would limit the market too much.
I knew I would be in the minority. But Jem (also hasbro) did have a high end for adults doll. :) I loved the quality on that. if I were a Jem collector (I won't even ever GO down that collecting rabbit hole without a large windfall!) I would own all of the new released dolls. they were just so well done. http://fashiondollchronicles.blogspot.ca/2012/10/first-wave-of-jem-and-holograms-dolls.html
I don't necessarily agree. What was most recognizable about My Little Ponies was the shape of them, not the characters. People will have more nostalgia for a pony they had as a kid, but also for the general concept and molds of MLP (G1).
As for the quality. we apparently got what we asked for. I totally missed out on the "poll" that happened. they asked us what we wanted to pay, we said $5 a pony. we got $5 a pony quality in our get three ponies for around $15 giftsets. UGH. that explained the wonky cast, horrible hair and cheap everything.
I do like them handy to have modern safe toys to hand out to kids. I personally would love to see an adult market collectible $60-$75 giftset. like they do with barbie (that I don't collect) in a really really beautiful package. maybe make a colour truer to how they appeared in the art, or show but those "common girls", but of great quality (beautiful hair and casts, beautiful painted features) but to me the package will have to be a knockout, covered with real high quality G1 style art and not computer clippings. and the boxes will have to be interesting and beautiful on display.
I personally think the price point should be somewhere in between. The reason the retro releases of SSC are doing well is because they are just the right price for a nostalgic parent to feel okay with getting them for their kids to play with. A $10 pony would have good quality and an attractive price point and not feel like a fancy collectors item that should stay in box and never be played with. That would limit the market too much.
I knew I would be in the minority. But Jem (also hasbro) did have a high end for adults doll. :) I loved the quality on that. if I were a Jem collector (I won't even ever GO down that collecting rabbit hole without a large windfall!) I would own all of the new released dolls. they were just so well done. http://fashiondollchronicles.blogspot.ca/2012/10/first-wave-of-jem-and-holograms-dolls.html
I still vote that we should let sleeping ponies lie. The past is what it was, it was beautiful, let's not tarnish it by forcing it into the present.
I still vote that we should let sleeping ponies lie. The past is what it was, it was beautiful, let's not tarnish it by forcing it into the present.
I am with you! The more that people try to revive the nostalgia, the more they miss the mark! There have been a few "positive" retro-releases but trying to "refresh the G1 brand" always falls short of what collectors expect or want. And then we get cranky. And seriously who wants to listen to us whine and whinge on? LOL
I still vote that we should let sleeping ponies lie. The past is what it was, it was beautiful, let's not tarnish it by forcing it into the present.
I am with you! The more that people try to revive the nostalgia, the more they miss the mark! There have been a few "positive" retro-releases but trying to "refresh the G1 brand" always falls short of what collectors expect or want. And then we get cranky. And seriously who wants to listen to us whine and whinge on? LOL
What does whinge mean?
I still vote that we should let sleeping ponies lie. The past is what it was, it was beautiful, let's not tarnish it by forcing it into the present.
I am with you! The more that people try to revive the nostalgia, the more they miss the mark! There have been a few "positive" retro-releases but trying to "refresh the G1 brand" always falls short of what collectors expect or want. And then we get cranky. And seriously who wants to listen to us whine and whinge on? LOL
What does whinge mean?
Whinge = another word for whining, basically.