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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: invinible on February 24, 2016, 06:20:33 AM
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Out of the 2 to prove this, Cotton Candy (http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/G1_Cotton_Candy) is the easier 1 to prove.
The first My Little Pony commercial showed the ponies as Appaloosas. The reason this is important is because every other pony in the Collectors set ended up with a symbol that showed them as more than Appaloosas which means if Cotton Candy wasn't so lazy than she could have earn a flank symbol even that early.
Now Sweetheart (http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Sweetheart) is a tougher 1 to prove but can be done.
First off there is no way Nurse Sweetheart (http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Nurse_Sweetheart) isn't meant to be an updated version of the Tales 7 Sweetheart as she is clearly has the same appearance other than a couple extra flank symbols and is a logical extension to the way the show Sweetheart would have taken her life.
Now to really understand why Sweetheart was first released as a blank flank, we need to pay attention to information in the My Little Pony Tales episode Princess Problems. Here the lost princess is describe as exactly like Patch expect with a red birthmark on the bottom side of her right front hoof but giving no description of a flank symbol. This lack of flank symbol is often seen by fans as something the king and queen show of stated in their missing daughter report to get her back, however, they are overlooking the fact that Rosey most likely didn't get that flank symbol until after being lost at sea. The reason this is important is that it shows that it is possible for ponies to have birth marks so what is that stop a birth mark or birth marks from forming where the flank symbols usually are causing them to be mistaken for flank symbols?
Hence Sweetheart's hearts on her flanks are birth marks, not flank symbols.
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I don't think I'm following you.... to my knowledge there were no prototypes of Cotton Candy or Sweetheart that were released without symbols. Also, the idea of ponies earning their symbols isn't something that was well established prior to Friendship is Magic. It's true that it is hinted that Baby Ember has to earn her mark and was released with no symbol but all subsequent baby ponies, even newborns, were released with symbols. If it's true that a pony has to earn her mark in G1, then why would newborns have symbols, when they cannot even talk yet?
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G1 is NOT the same universe or storyline as G4. I am utterly and totally confused here. There was no connection between the toys and the show; they released the characters but there isn't specific backstory to go with them to compliment the show's plot...
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I'm sorry, but I don't understand what your talking about. Cotton Candy's symbols are sort of like fluffballs, not Appaloosa patterns. Baby Ember in RaMC didn't have a symbol and neither did a couple of her toys, but one toy did have a star.
I haven't seen Tales in a long time so I don't remember that episode but Sweetheart clearly has symbols. They don't earn their symbols in G1, G2 or G3, they're born with them. Their symbols correspond with their name.
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Actually Cotton Candy's symbol was indeed meant to be an appaloosa pattern. Originally the plan was that MLPs would be "real horse" colors with real horse patterns. Then the idea evolved to "fantasy colors" with real-horse patterns. This is seen in the Year 1 commercial, where ALL the Collector ponies have appaloosa spots, and also on front of the Year 1 backcard, and on this Year 1 brochure:
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By the time they were actually released, someone had come up with the idea of giving them all separate symbols (probably got the idea from Care Bears). However, Cotton Candy's symbol never changed, so she retained her spots.
I know a lot of people interpret her symbol as little bits of cotton or cotton candy, but in terms of "what did the artist have in mind when they drew it", it's really not meant to be anything but random spots.
Anyway, I think this topic was meant to be a fun hypothetical. :)
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Actually Cotton Candy's symbol was indeed meant to be an appaloosa pattern. Originally the plan was that MLPs would be "real horse" colors with real horse patterns. Then the idea evolved to "fantasy colors" with real-horse patterns. This is seen in the Year 1 commercial, where ALL the Collector ponies have appaloosa spots, and also on the Year 1 backcard.
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^ Kind of hard to see, but everyone has spots. (I think they updated the art on the back so they have symbols, though.)
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^ Also on this brochure.
By the time they were actually released, someone had come up with the idea of giving them all separate symbols (probably got the idea from Care Bears). However, Cotton Candy's symbol never changed, so she retained her spots.
I know a lot of people interpret her symbol as little bits of cotton or cotton candy, but in terms of "what did the artist have in mind when they drew it", it's really not meant to be anything but random spots.
Ah. I stand corrected on that one. Doesn't make her a blank flank though. That's strictly a G4 term.
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Actually Cotton Candy's symbol was indeed meant to be an appaloosa pattern. Originally the plan was that MLPs would be "real horse" colors with real horse patterns. Then the idea evolved to "fantasy colors" with real-horse patterns. This is seen in the Year 1 commercial, where ALL the Collector ponies have appaloosa spots, and also on front of the Year 1 backcard, and on this Year 1 brochure:
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By the time they were actually released, someone had come up with the idea of giving them all separate symbols (probably got the idea from Care Bears). However, Cotton Candy's symbol never changed, so she retained her spots.
I know a lot of people interpret her symbol as little bits of cotton or cotton candy, but in terms of "what did the artist have in mind when they drew it", it's really not meant to be anything but random spots.
Anyway, I think this topic was meant to be a fun hypothetical. :)
That's really interesting! Never seen that picture before. :)
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I don't think I'm following you.... to my knowledge there were no prototypes of Cotton Candy or Sweetheart that were released without symbols. Also, the idea of ponies earning their symbols isn't something that was well established prior to Friendship is Magic. It's true that it is hinted that Baby Ember has to earn her mark and was released with no symbol but all subsequent baby ponies, even newborns, were released with symbols. If it's true that a pony has to earn her mark in G1, then why would newborns have symbols, when they cannot even talk yet?
Actually, you are making the mistake of assuming something that G1 clearly started as something G4 started.
If you look at the back cards before the point where any resembled of story was removed from them, you would see the occasion story that dealt with the different types marks. The ponies earned their flank symbols or other type of mark rather than be born with them in every 1 of those stories.
Ah. I stand corrected on that one. Doesn't make her a blank flank though. That's strictly a G4 term.
Actually, blank flank simply means: pony without a cutie mark. The G1 term for cutie marks is flank symbols. Hence a pony without a flank symbol is a blank flank.
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Actually Cotton Candy's symbol was indeed meant to be an appaloosa pattern. Originally the plan was that MLPs would be "real horse" colors with real horse patterns. Then the idea evolved to "fantasy colors" with real-horse patterns. This is seen in the Year 1 commercial, where ALL the Collector ponies have appaloosa spots, and also on front of the Year 1 backcard, and on this Year 1 brochure:
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By the time they were actually released, someone had come up with the idea of giving them all separate symbols (probably got the idea from Care Bears). However, Cotton Candy's symbol never changed, so she retained her spots.
I know a lot of people interpret her symbol as little bits of cotton or cotton candy, but in terms of "what did the artist have in mind when they drew it", it's really not meant to be anything but random spots.
Anyway, I think this topic was meant to be a fun hypothetical. :)
That's really interesting! Never seen that picture before. :)
It's also got the closest thing Blue Belle, Minty, etc ever got to individual backstories in the US, which is neat. :) Not counting Cotton Candy and Blossom, who got "proper" stories when they were rereleased in Year 2.
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I don't think I'm following you.... to my knowledge there were no prototypes of Cotton Candy or Sweetheart that were released without symbols. Also, the idea of ponies earning their symbols isn't something that was well established prior to Friendship is Magic. It's true that it is hinted that Baby Ember has to earn her mark and was released with no symbol but all subsequent baby ponies, even newborns, were released with symbols. If it's true that a pony has to earn her mark in G1, then why would newborns have symbols, when they cannot even talk yet?
Actually, you are making the mistake of assuming something that G1 clearly started as something G4 started.
If you look at the back cards before the point where any resembled of story was removed from them, you would see the occasion story that dealt with the different types marks. The ponies earned their flank symbols or other type of mark rather than be born with them in every 1 of those stories.
Ah. I stand corrected on that one. Doesn't make her a blank flank though. That's strictly a G4 term.
Actually, blank flank simply means: pony without a cutie mark. The G1 term for cutie marks is flank symbols. Hence a pony without a flank symbol is a blank flank.
I don't really think I'm making a mistake or misunderstanding anything here. I've been collecting G1 since the early 80's and watched all the shows as a kid. I've read most of the back card stories and I literally have no idea where you are getting these ideas. It's fine for you to have this perception of G1, but it doesn't make it what the creators of G1 actually intended. Answer my question then- if G1 ponies had to earn their symbols as in G4, why do newborn babies have symbols? Why is Ember the one and ONLY pony released without a symbol?
ETA: The idea is so silly... I kind of wonder, are we being trolled here lol
And also, can you please post photos of where Cotton Candy and Sweetheart were released without symbols?
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I don't really think I'm making a mistake or misunderstanding anything here. I've been collecting G1 since the early 80's and watched all the shows as a kid. I've read most of the back card stories and I literally have no idea where you are getting these ideas. It's fine for you to have this perception of G1, but it doesn't make it what the creators of G1 actually intended. Answer my question then- if G1 ponies had to earn their symbols as in G4, why do newborn babies have symbols? Why is Ember the one and ONLY pony released without a symbol?
ETA: The idea is so silly... I kind of wonder, are we being trolled here lol
And also, can you please post photos of where Cotton Candy and Sweetheart were released without symbols?
Well over here (http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Baby_Rainfeather) is 1 of the later back cards that show that even as foals, the ponies need to earn their symbols rather than be born with them.
The reason most ponies at the time were being sold with flank symbols on was because of trying to put individuality into the toys since there was so few body shapes and mane styles at the time.
And the reason I put the links in the original post was as additional support that Cotton Candy and Sweetheart were blank flanks during their respective original releases.
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Cotton candy was designed to have something on her behind. Never blank. You contradict yourself.
I think you are trying to say that her spots aren't a symbol? They are.
Eta: what I'm getting at is that Appaloosa or not, the original release ponies were actually designed to have something there. Never blank or empty. That's not good they were designed.
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I always find it really interesting that Hasbro began with the spots and then decided against it for the issue. Especially since it made it onto the artwork.
It is Ponyland who has the ...whichever one it is, Bluebelle? with the spots instead of the stars? I certainly remember a discussion about one of these prototypes from the original photo display being probably in the hands of a collector (maybe 2, but it is hard to prove with CC). I think it was Ponyland, but I haven't time to go digging into the archives of the Nirvana forum looking for it right now.
Sweetheart, of course, is a totally different kettle of fish. She's a European pony, commissioned for Europe - the animation probably was also created for Europe, albeit in North America, because of the terminology (Glowing Magical/Glowing Magic rather than Glow & Show) and the prominence of football ("soccer") as the key sport. Hasbro definitely began the core 7/mane 6 idea with the 7 Characters in 1992-4, because you can already see the rereleases for Sweetheart, Starlight and Melody, and from that time period those characters took over the comics here. Aside from a cameo by Princess Sparkle, and maybe Pony Bride..? no other 1992/3 or 1993/4 ponies got the attention prior ponies did. You have to also realise that the animation was really not that important to G1 as a whole. It was especially unimportant in Europe, where it didn't get as much airing and many European countries also had comics of some form which, at least here in the UK, ran on way longer and included more characters than the G1 animation. G4 is a very animation-centric generation. G1 is not.
So yeah, G1 did begin some of the things that G4 identify with now. Of course, the mane 7 in G3 and the (not named but repetitive) Ivy, Sunsparkle/dance SkySkimmer thing indicates a similar line of thought going on then, too. So that idea is really old, even though we tend to think of it as new.
I think the OP is G4-centrically confused, but there are still interesting discussion points in this discussion. I can also see how that G4 ideology could be transferred to Sweetheart because of her "Nurse Pony" incarnation. It's a little different from Melody's and Starlight's (although not a blank, it does maybe hint at an evolution if you want to look at it through the lens of the animation).
But then again, G1 does stuff with symbols quite a lot. Heart Throb loses wings on her hearts, for example, in SS form. Posey gets magenta tulips instead of pastel pink. So I just see it as another form of that - reissues demand changes. 2nd edition Cherries Jubilee got straight hair to match the rest of her 1986 set. Hasbro were attentive to things like that. (And nobody really understands why Aqua and why Lavender Woosie...)
Ember is also not the only pony without a symbol. The white club baby also had no symbol. But the idea of her developing a symbol relating to her future is really a G4 concept. The paraphernalia for the white baby was about the club member adopting her, becoming her 'mummy', giving her a name and, if they wanted, drawing on a symbol to match. Sometimes these are found in the wild with symbols drawn on for that reason, though most often they're not. There was nothing in the club material to dictate who the white baby was going to become, nor any need for her to have a symbol - but her lack of one did mean it was up to her new 'mother' to decide who she was.
The two tiny twins that come with Surprise Twins pony also don't have symbols - albeit that is probably just their size prohibiting it...
Edit to add: I wonder if the confusion for CC at least is coming from that bad screen capture (we all know she has speckles in the animation, but that capture doesn't show it) and the fact G1 stickers didn't display symbols?)
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I don't really think I'm making a mistake or misunderstanding anything here. I've been collecting G1 since the early 80's and watched all the shows as a kid. I've read most of the back card stories and I literally have no idea where you are getting these ideas. It's fine for you to have this perception of G1, but it doesn't make it what the creators of G1 actually intended. Answer my question then- if G1 ponies had to earn their symbols as in G4, why do newborn babies have symbols? Why is Ember the one and ONLY pony released without a symbol?
ETA: The idea is so silly... I kind of wonder, are we being trolled here lol
And also, can you please post photos of where Cotton Candy and Sweetheart were released without symbols?
Well over here (http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Baby_Rainfeather) is 1 of the later back cards that show that even as foals, the ponies need to earn their symbols rather than be born with them.
The reason most ponies at the time were being sold with flank symbols on was because of trying to put individuality into the toys since there was so few body shapes and mane styles at the time.
And the reason I put the links in the original post was as additional support that Cotton Candy and Sweetheart were blank flanks during their respective original releases.
There are no photos of either of those ponies being released, made as toys, without symbols on the link you provided. The image of Cotton Candy in the RAMC movie is an example of poor animation. You will notice many, many errors in all of the G1 movies including but not limited to missing symbols, ponies being the wrong color, incorrect voices coming out of ponies etc... Many of the stories talk about symbols changing or how ponies get their symbols but that doesn't mean all ponies are born without symbols. What about the babies that are the offspring of adults and have the same symbols? Did they earn their symbols that looked exactly like their parents?
The toys all had symbols because they were designed that way. The stories often told stories of why the ponies looked that way because it gave kids a back story to go with their toy. The term "blank flank" did not exist before G4. Do you have a back card or a comic that you can point out from the 80's with this exact term?
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Also, another confusion I noted - Baby Rainfeather's US story mentions hearts appearing on her nappy/diaper, but that isn't her symbol. (Hasbro's official term for symbol is actually rump mark, at least it is here in the UK, I have a bunch of stuff which uses this term.) I can't get at my club stuff right now to see what is said for the white newborn, but I am pretty sure it's just no rump marking if it's even mentioned at all.
There genuinely are ponies whose backcard stories talked about obtaining symbols in relation to an event. But there are also a whole bunch of others relating to things not symbol-linked. For example, the Sparkle Ponies all have stories about how they got their sparkle. I THINK at least the UK cards I have for the Glowing Magic may say this too - how and why they got their glow? And a lot don't mention symbols.
The ones I remember really significantly talking about symbols and such are the Surprise Newborns talking about meeting their 'special friends' and not knowing who they are until their nappies are removed.
But then the Surprise Newborns can have one of 2 symbols each. Which kinda goes against the "identity" element, and more in favour of the 'surprise gimmick' element that Hasbro wanted to make a big deal out of.
And let's not forget that not all ponies were 'born' anyway. Some of them came out of a magic mirror after Majesty cast a spell O.o. (Baby Firefly and Baby Glory, I think..?)
It's an interesting hypothesis but I don't really go with it :)
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Cotton Candy does have a symbol in Rescue at Midnight Castle, the screenshot in the wiki just happens to be at an angle where her symbol is obscured. (It's hard to get a screenshot from RaMC that properly shows her symbol anyway, since a lot of copies of RaMC have deteriorated in quality over the years and her symbol, being white spots, tends to blend in with her body in old VHS copies of the special ^^; If that makes sense).
I really have no idea what to tell you.. you're looking at this from a G4 perspective. Some pre-G4 ponies have slightly different symbols between releases for much the same reason that half of the G4 main 6 re-releases have variations on their symbols (i.e. symbols down their legs, over their eyes, etc) - if it's different, it's new, thus giving you more incentive to buy the re-release.
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G1 was weirdly silent on symbols considering they're one of the most distinctive / recognizable things about MLP. There had been horse toys before, probably even horse toys with brushable hair, but My Little Pony was the first horse with personalized flank markings.
But, yeah, G1 never really explained them or referred to them. (Like, the ponies never said "Ooo, cool symbol!" to one another or anything.)
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But, yeah, G1 never really explained them or referred to them. (Like, the ponies never said "Ooo, cool symbol!" to one another or anything.)
Pocket Friends (Precious Pocket) ponies used to talk to their symbols quite a lot in the comics. I think the fish etc all had names, too...
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*grins* this is going off my memory here, but didn't Bonny say(the first time she was at the MLP Fair) that when someone suggested pastel ponies, she made a sarcastic remark about 'why not give them hearts and stars instead of spots, then!' And someone thought it was a good idea...
To be honest, original My Little Pony cartoons and movies were never really given any kind of long term plot or planning; unlike the modern cartoons(and you could even say the later MLPTales series), the early MLP cartoons were just supposed to be longer ads with enough story behind them to keep kids entertained and want the toys; the cartoon was never supposed to be successful by itself, and as long as it was watched enough for the channels to play it, that's all that really was expected of it. There's things in the cartoons that contradict themselves, poor animation, and so on. They are good for what they were, but they aren't works of art that cartoons are today. At the time, *every* successful toy had a cartoon!
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Oh, I hadn't heard that story about Bonnie before! LOL, I love it!
It's true, 80s cartoons were basically 30 minute commercials. But usually the companies at least kind of tried to explain. Like with Transformers, Spike (not the dragon one, ha ha) asked why they transformed and the Autobots said "for DISGUISE . . . and so we don't have to walk everywhere."
I don't know how much of a disguise turning into a car or a plane is on a planet where every vehicle is a person, though . . . Maybe there were non-sentient cars too?
I do remember Soundwave, who turned into a boom box after he got to Earth, turned into a lamp post when he lived on Cybertron.
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I am pretty certain that MLP was never aired on TV in the UK during the 1980s. Or if it was, I have no idea when or where. All the eps came on VHS but that was it.
I think in 1996 they were all aired on Sky 1 for some unknown reason. A friend of my sister's recorded them all then and Naynie borrowed them.
But we had the comics *shrug*.
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LOL and ditto! :snicker:
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LOL and ditto! :snicker:
Same here.
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Lord only knows why I'm spending so much time on this, but after reading the original post three times I finally follow. You're just reading too much into it.
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(http://s298.photobucket.com/user/barbiedisneyfan/media/GEDC3583%202_zpsbe3nbhus.jpg.html)
Here's a screencap of Cotton Candy from RAMC that shows her symbol although this was the best scene I found where it was clearly visible.
I agree with the idea that the G1 cartoons were meant to sell more ponies and didn't really build upon the previous cartoons. Otherwise we would have seen the ponies from RAMC in Escape from Catrina and there were many contradictions between the cartoons. For example at the end of Escape from Catrina Megan gives the Rainbow of Light back to the ponies but in the MLP movie they had to find Megan to get it.
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Actually Cotton Candy's symbol was indeed meant to be an appaloosa pattern. Originally the plan was that MLPs would be "real horse" colors with real horse patterns. Then the idea evolved to "fantasy colors" with real-horse patterns. This is seen in the Year 1 commercial, where ALL the Collector ponies have appaloosa spots, and also on front of the Year 1 backcard, and on this Year 1 brochure:
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Ah, thanks a lot! I was wondering when a decent looking copy of that image would turn up.
It's kind of interesting learning about how MLP came to be what it is.
Also, I think OP's headcanon of Sweetheart's symbol being more of a birth mark until she's older is interesting. :relaxed:
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This theory has already been somewhat of my headcanon, but I don't think Sweetheart's symbol is a birthmark. It's very representative of her character, but it's more likely that symbols can change with age (like how baby Bowtie has 4 bows and adult Bowtie has 6) or if there is a shift in the pony's personality (such as Sweetheart's trait always being sweet and caring, but the symbol expanding when she discovered nursing was her calling.)
I don't think there's really anything more to Cotton Candy's symbol besides the design team finally deciding to give the ponies symbols and going "Okay, stars, flowers, clovers... what are we calling this one? Cotton Candy? Eh. Dots look kinda like little balls of cotton candy. Good enough. Next!" :P
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but it's more likely that symbols can change with age (like how baby Bowtie has 4 bows and adult Bowtie has 6)
The baby ponies are seperate characters, though. They're not baby versions of the mother ponies.
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I don't think I'm following you.... to my knowledge there were no prototypes of Cotton Candy or Sweetheart that were released without symbols. Also, the idea of ponies earning their symbols isn't something that was well established prior to Friendship is Magic. It's true that it is hinted that Baby Ember has to earn her mark and was released with no symbol but all subsequent baby ponies, even newborns, were released with symbols. If it's true that a pony has to earn her mark in G1, then why would newborns have symbols, when they cannot even talk yet?
Actually, you are making the mistake of assuming something that G1 clearly started as something G4 started.
If you look at the back cards before the point where any resembled of story was removed from them, you would see the occasion story that dealt with the different types marks. The ponies earned their flank symbols or other type of mark rather than be born with them in every 1 of those stories.
Ah. I stand corrected on that one. Doesn't make her a blank flank though. That's strictly a G4 term.
Actually, blank flank simply means: pony without a cutie mark. The G1 term for cutie marks is flank symbols. Hence a pony without a flank symbol is a blank flank.
I grew up with G1s and know what a symbol is. Cotton Candy still has symbols on her, as simple as they are and the term blank flank did not come into use till G4. Once again, the idea of earning symbols is also a G4 thing.
The conversation between Twilight and Baby Ember was more of a child's curiosity thing; Can I do this or that? And nothing to do with, When will I earn my symbol? Especially considering 1Baby Ember came out with a Star. The Sweetheart theory makes literally no sense whatsoever.
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Yeah, I think it should be underscored - we don't use the term cutie mark for G1, and so if blank flank is the G4 opposite (shows what I know about G4 terms) then that's the same kind of thing.
It's not a wrong term, but generally we talk about symbols or rump marks or designs in G1. And we don't talk about cutie marks or blank flanks or anything along those lines.
Some G1 collectors get offended at G4 stuff being applied to G1, because G1 came first. I don't think the general idea of ponies getting their symbols being similar to G4 is really offensive, though, just a fan-idea...
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The comments in this thread bring up an interesting point that I haven't considered! Ember, we assume, would continue to be one of the few unique ponies without a symbol, even after growing up to an adult. In the cartoon, Twilight tells Ember that someday she will discover who she is and "be her own special little pony", but they never discuss anything about her symbol (or lack thereof).
I would be interested to see if anyone did fan art of her as a grown up pony, the way some people like to draw baby ponies as adults, and if the artist invented a symbol for her. ^_^
As a kid I didn't own Ember, but I probably would have given her a symbol if I had her! (When I was little, I was obsessed with everything being equal when it came to my toys.) I wouldn't have wanted Ember to feel left out. ;)
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As a kid I didn't own Ember, but I probably would have given her a symbol if I had her! (When I was little, I was obsessed with everything being equal when it came to my toys.) I wouldn't have wanted Ember to feel left out. ;)
One of the two blue Embers I have has three little pink flowers drawn on her flank with puffy paint. I guess someone else thought she should have a symbol, too. :)
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Honestly Twilight's message to Ember in RaMC is far healthier than the G4 fixation on cutie marks and their be-all-and-end-all-of-your-ordained-destiny; Ember will be who Ember is, symbol or no, it doesn't matter what you look like or if you're different in some way. Be yourself.
G1 never really deals with symbols because they aren't a big deal; it's just something ponies have for the most part. No more than we'd run around and go "Oh hey you have freckles! Guess what I have freckles too, but slightly different ones."
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I think there was an implication in RaMC that Ember didn't have her symbol because she was young, and that she would get it later. At the time the writers would not have known that Hasbro would eventually produce newborn ponies with symbols, or even the Year 3 babies. Ember was literally the only baby pony in production at the time. (In three colors, LOL.)
I don't think freckles are a good comparison, since they're random skin pigmentation, whereas a symbol usually does tie in to a pony's personality. Like, a balloon symbol can be interpreted in various ways--for Surprise, it symbolizes surprise parties, for Up, Up, and Away it symbolizes parties in general. BUT there aren't any backcard stories where a pony with a balloon symbol turns out to absolutely hate balloons and parties. Whereas if someone had a birthmark in the shape of a balloon, this might well be the case.
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I think there was an implication in RaMC that Ember didn't have her symbol because she was young, and that she would get it later. At the time the writers would not have known that Hasbro would eventually produce newborn ponies with symbols, or even the Year 3 babies. Ember was literally the only baby pony in production at the time. (In three colors, LOL.)
I don't think freckles are a good comparison, since they're random skin pigmentation, whereas a symbol usually does tie in to a pony's personality. Like, a balloon symbol can be interpreted in various ways--for Surprise, it symbolizes surprise parties, for Up, Up, and Away it symbolizes parties in general. BUT there aren't any backcard stories where a pony with a balloon symbol turns out to absolutely hate balloons and parties. Whereas if someone had a birthmark in the shape of a balloon, this might well be the case.
It would be a stinky turd with a party hat. Their name would be Party-Pooper. Her accessories would be frowny-faced stickers and a wet blanket. :silly:
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I think there was an implication in RaMC that Ember didn't have her symbol because she was young, and that she would get it later. At the time the writers would not have known that Hasbro would eventually produce newborn ponies with symbols, or even the Year 3 babies. Ember was literally the only baby pony in production at the time. (In three colors, LOL.)
I don't think freckles are a good comparison, since they're random skin pigmentation, whereas a symbol usually does tie in to a pony's personality. Like, a balloon symbol can be interpreted in various ways--for Surprise, it symbolizes surprise parties, for Up, Up, and Away it symbolizes parties in general. BUT there aren't any backcard stories where a pony with a balloon symbol turns out to absolutely hate balloons and parties. Whereas if someone had a birthmark in the shape of a balloon, this might well be the case.
It would be a stinky turd with a party hat. Their name would be Party-Pooper. Her accessories would be frowny-faced stickers and a wet blanket. :silly:
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I think there was an implication in RaMC that Ember didn't have her symbol because she was young, and that she would get it later. At the time the writers would not have known that Hasbro would eventually produce newborn ponies with symbols, or even the Year 3 babies. Ember was literally the only baby pony in production at the time. (In three colors, LOL.)
I don't think freckles are a good comparison, since they're random skin pigmentation, whereas a symbol usually does tie in to a pony's personality. Like, a balloon symbol can be interpreted in various ways--for Surprise, it symbolizes surprise parties, for Up, Up, and Away it symbolizes parties in general. BUT there aren't any backcard stories where a pony with a balloon symbol turns out to absolutely hate balloons and parties. Whereas if someone had a birthmark in the shape of a balloon, this might well be the case.
It would be a stinky turd with a party hat. Their name would be Party-Pooper. Her accessories would be frowny-faced stickers and a wet blanket. :silly:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
She could have an action feature too--a moving leg so she can angrily overturn a table with a cake on it.
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You know I always wondered if RaMC/MO Ember and start symbol Ember were meant to be the same pony. G1 had two different Twilight ponies, could Hasbro just reused the name?
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From what I understood of the OP comments, the idea was that Cotton Candy is spotted like an Appolossa horse. Not that the spots are her symbol (because how would that connect to her talent?) but rather that she *is* a spotted pony, so her symbol should go on top of the spots. However, her symbol is the spots, so that's why the theory doesn't quite work.
I think there was an implication in RaMC that Ember didn't have her symbol because she was young, and that she would get it later. At the time the writers would not have known that Hasbro would eventually produce newborn ponies with symbols, or even the Year 3 babies. Ember was literally the only baby pony in production at the time. (In three colors, LOL.)
I don't think freckles are a good comparison, since they're random skin pigmentation, whereas a symbol usually does tie in to a pony's personality. Like, a balloon symbol can be interpreted in various ways--for Surprise, it symbolizes surprise parties, for Up, Up, and Away it symbolizes parties in general. BUT there aren't any backcard stories where a pony with a balloon symbol turns out to absolutely hate balloons and parties. Whereas if someone had a birthmark in the shape of a balloon, this might well be the case.
But it doesn't always, right? And sometimes it depends on whether you look at the back card or comic or cartoon.
For example, Wind Whistler's symbol is whistles. In the comic (and possibly her backcard?) this follows her character. She's fast and she sings, from what I recall. But the cartoon made her very intelligent and sometimes very isolated. I can only recall one occasion in the cartoons that referenced her speed. So, her symbol didn't fit her personality in that case.
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I think there was an implication in RaMC that Ember didn't have her symbol because she was young, and that she would get it later. At the time the writers would not have known that Hasbro would eventually produce newborn ponies with symbols, or even the Year 3 babies. Ember was literally the only baby pony in production at the time. (In three colors, LOL.)
I don't think freckles are a good comparison, since they're random skin pigmentation, whereas a symbol usually does tie in to a pony's personality. Like, a balloon symbol can be interpreted in various ways--for Surprise, it symbolizes surprise parties, for Up, Up, and Away it symbolizes parties in general. BUT there aren't any backcard stories where a pony with a balloon symbol turns out to absolutely hate balloons and parties. Whereas if someone had a birthmark in the shape of a balloon, this might well be the case.
It would be a stinky turd with a party hat. Their name would be Party-Pooper. Her accessories would be frowny-faced stickers and a wet blanket. :silly:
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I think there was an implication in RaMC that Ember didn't have her symbol because she was young, and that she would get it later. At the time the writers would not have known that Hasbro would eventually produce newborn ponies with symbols, or even the Year 3 babies. Ember was literally the only baby pony in production at the time. (In three colors, LOL.)
I don't think freckles are a good comparison, since they're random skin pigmentation, whereas a symbol usually does tie in to a pony's personality. Like, a balloon symbol can be interpreted in various ways--for Surprise, it symbolizes surprise parties, for Up, Up, and Away it symbolizes parties in general. BUT there aren't any backcard stories where a pony with a balloon symbol turns out to absolutely hate balloons and parties. Whereas if someone had a birthmark in the shape of a balloon, this might well be the case.
It would be a stinky turd with a party hat. Their name would be Party-Pooper. Her accessories would be frowny-faced stickers and a wet blanket. :silly:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
She could have an action feature too--a moving leg so she can angrily overturn a table with a cake on it.
Ha! That's perfect! :lol:
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You know I always wondered if RaMC/MO Ember and start symbol Ember were meant to be the same pony. G1 had two different Twilight ponies, could Hasbro just reused the name?
I've thought about this too. It seems they're not same pony unless star Ember is supposed to be slightly older than Baby Ember without a symbol. But then it is strange that Hasbro would use the same name again so quickly when they already had 3 versions of MO Ember.
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but it's more likely that symbols can change with age (like how baby Bowtie has 4 bows and adult Bowtie has 6)
The baby ponies are seperate characters, though. They're not baby versions of the mother ponies.
I understands that, but most of the baby ponies had a smaller number of symbols than the adults, so it seems like they get more symbols as they age. Of course, we never see them grown up, so it's hard to tell for certain.
I think there was an implication in RaMC that Ember didn't have her symbol because she was young, and that she would get it later. At the time the writers would not have known that Hasbro would eventually produce newborn ponies with symbols, or even the Year 3 babies. Ember was literally the only baby pony in production at the time. (In three colors, LOL.)
I don't think freckles are a good comparison, since they're random skin pigmentation, whereas a symbol usually does tie in to a pony's personality. Like, a balloon symbol can be interpreted in various ways--for Surprise, it symbolizes surprise parties, for Up, Up, and Away it symbolizes parties in general. BUT there aren't any backcard stories where a pony with a balloon symbol turns out to absolutely hate balloons and parties. Whereas if someone had a birthmark in the shape of a balloon, this might well be the case.
It would be a stinky turd with a party hat. Their name would be Party-Pooper. Her accessories would be frowny-faced stickers and a wet blanket. :silly:
I love this idea! :lmao:
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For example, Wind Whistler's symbol is whistles. In the comic (and possibly her backcard?) this follows her character. She's fast and she sings, from what I recall. But the cartoon made her very intelligent and sometimes very isolated. I can only recall one occasion in the cartoons that referenced her speed. So, her symbol didn't fit her personality in that case.
I don't know what WW has on her SS backcard story; the UK/European release pony has no backcard story although I think there's a brief summary...hang on...yeah, it says "Wind Whistler, who rescues Megan from the Smooze" and that's it. She's marketed in relation to the movie, because they were ponies we didn't have otherwise.
In the comic, and factfile, though, she's generally quite silly and she whistles a lot unnecessarily. I am unsure whether this is reflective of her original card story or what - but it's the only example where I like the animated characterisation better.
(Which adds the other problem that there are multiple characterisations of several of these ponies because of different media).
I just think that all of this overrates the significance of the G1 cartoon in characterising ponies, because G1-wise, the backcard stories are the immediate 'canon', I guess...and the animation just an interpretation of a few of them in order to sell ponies.
I never understood why one Baby Ember had a star and three didn't, honestly.
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In the comic, and factfile, though, she's generally quite silly and she whistles a lot unnecessarily.
Gasp! New headcanon! UK Wind Whistler is Thistle Whistle's descendant. XD
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In the comic, and factfile, though, she's generally quite silly and she whistles a lot unnecessarily.
Gasp! New headcanon! UK Wind Whistler is Thistle Whistle's descendant. XD
Do you mean ancestor or does Thistle Whistle have a time capsule? XD
*gives cookies*
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Sorry I'm lazy. I didn't read everything here. Honestly the show to me (and TV specials) once I hit a set age- I saw it for what it was, extended commercials to sell toys. Almost all the shows of the era that attached to a toy line were of similar quality. Backcard stories- I'll buy the pony MOC and never really read them. And, the first comics I received were from the lovely Party Pony in a swap- they were super cool so I did look through them all. but alas, I can't remember the stories. Books, as a kid I used those to create a wishlists as a child (fail- canada with Gypsy, hopscotch and honeycomb on her wishlist!)
I am a detail focused collector- with the toys though. What papers they came with, what pieces, differences in release. So, again sorry this isn't a thread that hits the collector in me- but
I do remember always referring to markings as "symbols" and was happy being online where in auctions and on collectors forums everyone who collected called them "symbols". a friend tried to modernize me and used some of my pictures to make an imigar(sp?) account years back and he called them "cutie marks" it was the FIRST thing I edited out when I spotted it. If I weren't so lazy I'd go through my Hasbro papers and find the term. It had to have been used if I was one of many little kids in the middle of nowhere calling her 9 little ponies markings symbols without the paperwork.
The nerdy part of me- G1 has things that makes it G1. same for other gens, things are unique to that generation only. I don't like newer terms used interchangeably in the G1 line. :blush:
I think there was an implication in RaMC that Ember didn't have her symbol because she was young, and that she would get it later. At the time the writers would not have known that Hasbro would eventually produce newborn ponies with symbols, or even the Year 3 babies. Ember was literally the only baby pony in production at the time. (In three colors, LOL.)
I don't think freckles are a good comparison, since they're random skin pigmentation, whereas a symbol usually does tie in to a pony's personality. Like, a balloon symbol can be interpreted in various ways--for Surprise, it symbolizes surprise parties, for Up, Up, and Away it symbolizes parties in general. BUT there aren't any backcard stories where a pony with a balloon symbol turns out to absolutely hate balloons and parties. Whereas if someone had a birthmark in the shape of a balloon, this might well be the case.
It would be a stinky turd with a party hat. Their name would be Party-Pooper. Her accessories would be frowny-faced stickers and a wet blanket. :silly:
Thank you. this made my day and caught my eye for a response!
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In the comic, and factfile, though, she's generally quite silly and she whistles a lot unnecessarily.
Gasp! New headcanon! UK Wind Whistler is Thistle Whistle's descendant. XD
Wow . . . it does make sense!
I figured the cartoon-Wind-Whistler connection was that she is impartial and objective, like umpires are expected to be, and umpires wear whistles. Which is a little bit "six steps to Kevin Bacon-ish", but still makes sense, I think. When I think about whistles, coaches and umpires are the people who immediately spring to mind. There ARE some cartoon ponies who don't have an explicit connection to their symbol, like Shady and Buttons, but they do have backcard stories that tie in with their symbols (Shady has magic sunglasses, Buttons made a dress covered with buttons for Megan). Also most of the cartoon ponies do have symbols that tie in with their personalities: Lickety-Split loves ice cream, Posey gardens, North Star loves to explore, and Baby Quackers actually goes around quacking like a duck. For some reason.
Also, just the fact that we call the rump markings "symbols", not "designs" or "markings" . . . Symbols symbolize.
Oh, and here's Wind Whistler's backcard story:
"LA-TE-DA," Wind Whistler sang happily as she did her chores. But the notes she sang fell from her lips and ran away! Wind Whistler put down her broom and followed them. She caught up with them just as they were dancing their way into the Wishing Well! "Hello down there," Wind Whistler called, poking her head into the well. "Hello down there," her voice echoed back. "Where are you?" Again, her voice echoed until a note popped up on the ledge. "The Wishing Well needs some happy notes to help grant wishes," the note explained. Hearing this, Wind Whistler sang loudly into the well. "DO-RE-ME-FA-SO-LA-TE-DO." The little note danced around the well with joy, then joined the others. "THANK YOU," a grateful voice echoed up. Wind Whistler flew off, happy that she could grant a wish for the Wishing Well.
Girl, you trippin'.
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Sounds like she and Shady had a good trippy party together. If Shady's SS card had the magic sunglasses, it does explain why Shady in the UK comic was built around that idea, although she never had it on her card here. It doesn't explain why the SS card transmitted as far as the UK but didn't get into the animation studios, but that's another matter. I think a lot of the UK stories for the early period, where they existed/or fact file entries, which are sometimes the same or simplifications of stories are based on American release stories.
So I'd be really interested to know if the US has a canon about Magic Star being the most magical pony in the whole of ponyland. Because that's how the UK presented her, except on her own card, which related to the US produced movie.
Hasbro logic. No wonder WW and Shady were tripping.
I'm also a detail and bits collector, but my views of the ponies as characters are more strongly influenced by the comic I grew up with than the backcards, especially if the two conflicted (although they didn't always). I love the backcards for their art more than their stories.
Also, on this symbol evolution discussion, I'm not sure how that factors into Buttons having stars and buttons in the UK and on the US animation (I think?) plus in the comics, but also having three big buttons in the UK, in the SS release, and NOT on the cartoon...? Any ideas? Or are the whole of the 1987 Movie Star set just getting a little TOO into the eighties?
<--identifies with Fantastic Firefly from the opposite direction. Books with Glory and Medley :'( In fact I just opened the fact file to find Wind Whistler and the two ponies I opened it on are Firefly and Glory. In the UK file. In the UK comic. NOT on the UK shelf. Hasbro missed the ball on that one, since the point of promotion was surely to sell the ponies they wrote stories about? Meh.
Fact File for Wind Whistler
Wind Whistler loves music and often sings out loud in silly sentences. Her friend the west wind carries her musical messages all the way to the rainbow and back for everyone to enjoy.
So nothing to do with the SS card except that there's a musical connection. I remember one story in the comic or a book where she was definitely being silly and whistly about something.
Shady
Take a peek through Shady's magical sunglasses to see some magical surprises! Flowers will dance, clouds will drip beautiful colours and raindrops will climb up the sky! Shady likes to use her special sunglasses to play tricks on the other ponies when they least expect it.
^^ Now that is a serious acid trip ;)
Re symbol, I don't know where the term came from or if Hasbro used it but in the UK they use rump mark and rump design in their promotional material etc. But from a collecting perspective, I think symbol is nicer.
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Symbol is a fan term, the only time I've ever seen it from Hasbro was in a misspelling in Baby Half Note's story, where it said "the symbols" (meaning cymbals) "clashed", lol!
About Buttons' stars and buttons, IMO the toy was originally designed with stars and buttons. (Evidence: She is drawn that way on the So-Soft backcard, and they used prototype ponies as models.) But then Hasbro found they "disappeared" under her flocking. So they changed her symbol. But probably did not change her promotional material, which is what the animation people used to develop her show appearance.
So, either Hasbro UK started with the button and stars symbol and then changed it to match the "new" toy appearance (only buttons) or else they started with only-buttons symbols before realizing, hey, there's no flocking to get in the way so let's use the buttons-and-stars symbols.
Magic Star's backcard story:
Baby Blossom watched as Lofty flew up, up, to the sky. "I wish I could fly," she sighed. Magic Star waved her wand outside Baby Blossom's window. Baby Blossom magically sprouted pegasus wings and happily flew out the window. "Hello, Mr. Moon!" she laughed as she flew past him. Even the baby stars peeked out from behind their mothers to wave. Then, Magic Star tapped the ground and the Milky Way poured Baby Blossom a big glass of chocolate milk! When morning came, Magic Star made a slide of glittering stardust that led right into Baby Blossom's crib. As she climbed in, the wings disappeared. She fell sound asleep, dreaming of her adventure in the sky. "Sweet dreams, Baby Blossom," Magic Star whispered as she whisked off in search of another pony with a special wish.
So she isn't described as the MOST magical, but she does have a magic wand. The most interesting thing about this story to me is that it uses Baby Blossom, who was not sold that year. Very unusual.
Shady's backcard story:
Mr. Sun was shining brightly as Shady took a walk in the cool summer's breeze. "It's so sunny!" Shady said, putting on her new sunglasses. Everything looked very pink through the colorful frames. Before long, she wandered into Posey's sweet smelling garden. She saw daisies dancing, sunflowers somersaulting and roses romping all around her. "Come join us," they called. Shady happily pranced over and danced with all the pretty flowers. They sang and played until Shady's sunglasses fell off. Suddenly, all the flowers were gone! When she put them back on, the flowers reappeared! "These sunglasses are magical!" Shady laughed, and danced with the flowers in the garden for the rest of the day.
The sunglasses are also mentioned in Paradise Estate's backcard story:
The ponies were spending a relaxing afternoon at the Paradise Estate when Shady burst onto the patio. "My sunglasses are missing!" she cried anxiously.
Cupcake, who was preparing a snack in the kitchen, raced outside. "What's all the fuss about?" she asked. "Shady's lost her sunglasses," Sweet Stuff answered between sips of pink lemonade. "My MAGIC sunglasses," Shady corrected her. "And they do some strange things," she warned.
The ponies organized a search party to look for the glasses. Truly inspected the living room, but all she found was Wind Whistler dancing around the room with stereo headphones wrapped over her ears. Ribbon checked the nursery but had to be very, very quiet because the baby ponies were taking a nap. Fizzy hunted outdoors, clumsily knocking over chairs as she looked around. But the sunglasses were no where to be found! The ponies met on the patio, hoping someone had found the glasses. "No luck," Shady sighed disappointedly.
Just then a large THUMP came from the direction of the swimming pool. There was Ripple, the baby sea pony, sitting on the bottom of the empty pool, wearing Shady's sunglasses. "Where'd the water go?" she asked, not realizing the magic sunglasses made the pool appear full.
The ponies laughed as they filled the pool. When the pool was full, Shady's sunglasses made the waves jump up, down and around for a magical game of water tag. "Jump in," Shady urged, passing her sunglasses to the next swimmer on the diving board. The ponies splished and splashed for the rest of the afternoon, happy that Shady's sunglasses had been found.
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Symbol is a fan term, the only time I've ever seen it from Hasbro was in a misspelling in Baby Half Note's story, where it said "the symbols" (meaning cymbals) "clashed", lol!
Didn't Hasbro give "symbols" a name at some point in time?
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Symbol is a fan term, the only time I've ever seen it from Hasbro was in a misspelling in Baby Half Note's story, where it said "the symbols" (meaning cymbals) "clashed", lol!
Didn't Hasbro give "symbols" a name at some point in time?
The only official term I can think of is "rump design" from G2 and, if I recall correctly, "rump marking" from the UK comics. And then "cutie marks" in G3, which was inherited by G4.
Oh, and here's a picture of a So-Soft backcard showing Buttons with stars-and-buttons as her symbol:
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Also note SS Heart Throb with winged hearts and Wind Whistler with pink and BLUE whistles, not ONLY pink whistles (which is what the So-Soft toy ended up with). I am guessing the blue whistles were too hard to see under the flocking . . . Anyway, I am pretty sure the backcard ponies were drawn using real toys as models at this time, as the poses are sooo spot-on. (Also because I actually own the winged-heart Heart Throb prototype, so I know they're out there.)
Also, wow, Lofty's story is another one that references earlier ponies! Neat!
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http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/mlpmedia/newadvert.html
There are rump design rump marking references but I can't find them right now. I found this one, though, which talks about markings and body markings, so let's add that to the list maybe?
http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/advert_lfp.htm
This one also just says markings....
Maybe hasbro thought by this time rump discussions were a bit off...?
I always wonder why Ribbon is in Megan and Sundance's UK story, when she wasn't sold here. Ribbon, the unicorn pony, no less...
Also, Wind Whistler's UK symbol, of course, is pink and blue whistles...And on our card for Buttons...she has three big buttons. As does she in the proto photo in the catalogue for 1987...but not in the comic, and not always on the pony...
http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/comic_buttons.jpg
http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/ww_cardback.jpg
Unfortunately I don't have the catalogue image uploaded.
So apparently the UK card art is based on the UK prototypes which are basically like the SS ponies without flocking but the UK ponies, except Buttons, are more like the ponies drawn on the SS cards that weren't sold in N. America. Did I get that right?
Sigh.
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Here's the G2 reference . . . "Special rump design!"
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Interesting, in that picture Wind Whistler also has all pink whistles. But the UK one was never sold with all pink, was she?
So apparently the UK card art is based on the UK prototypes which are basically like the SS ponies without flocking but the UK ponies, except Buttons, are more like the ponies drawn on the SS cards that weren't sold in N. America. Did I get that right?
Sigh.
I think so, lol.
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I'll just confuse the topic even more and add Pokemon lore to the mix...
Maybe Nurse Sweetheart is a Mega-Evolution of Sweetheart! :shocked:
But riddle me this: Nurse Sweetheart is just a different version of Sweetheart. G4 has given us approximately 1000 different versions of the "Mane 6". How do you explain all of those different versions? I know that some are explained in the show, but not all.
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Ah, yeah. Rump design. That's what I was thinking of.
I didn't know about markings. I like that.
I can't remember what we called them as a kid, I just know it was "butt ____" but I can't remember what. XD
ETA: *falls over* mega evolution. :lmao:
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well holy goodness this exploded.
the only thing I'll say is what others have said.
you're trying too hard to apply G4 cartoon cannon to G1 toys and cartoons. they are very much unrelated.
both made by hasbro. sure. both colorful equines with art on their rump. sure.
that's about where it ends.
symbol vs cutie mark
means mostly nothing vs means absolutely everything
no one cares vs it's the biggest deal ever
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Hee hee this is a great thread, I love investigating how they advertised things back in the 80's!
You know, I think it's very strange that they so rarely referenced the pony's butt symbols at all in their little stories! Their backcards talk about all sorts of things, accessories the ponies wear, stuff they own like magic wands or sunglasses or headphones, and sometimes mention other ponies and sometimes a special friend like a duck or (apparently living, sentient) stars. And yet we hardly ever get a reference to their symbols! Like LadyMoondancer said on page 2, no pony ever says to another one "Oh cool symbols!" or "Your symbols look lovely today!"
I think that just shows that originally they didn't really plan the ponies personalities or stories to revolve around the symbols, it was just a cute little thing that often (but not always) influenced their name or colors, etc.
In the comic, and factfile, though, she's generally quite silly and she whistles a lot unnecessarily.
Gasp! New headcanon! UK Wind Whistler is Thistle Whistle's descendant. XD
Do you mean ancestor or does Thistle Whistle have a time capsule? XD
*gives cookies*
XD Whoops! Yes, I meant ancestor. Silly me! :blush:
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Interesting, in that picture Wind Whistler also has all pink whistles. But the UK one was never sold with all pink, was she?
Never seen one yet. Whether she does in the proto image, you tell me...
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I so did not name the file that >.>. Scan courtesy of Pranceatron, I don't have a bigger version unfortunately, though someone might.
I think the thread's turned into a general ponylore discussion which is fun :D
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I think the thread's turned into a general ponylore discussion which is fun :D
:D It is fun, I'm enjoying it.
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Anyone find it interesting that Sea ponies never had symbols/butt/rump/cutie marks on them?
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Anyone find it interesting that Sea ponies never had symbols/butt/rump/cutie marks on them?
Not really. I don't really see where they would've put them - hard for a pony to have hip symbols when they don't have hips to begin with :p.
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Sea Sparkles have shell necklaces printed on them. It depends if you see that as a tattooed accessory or a symbol, really...
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Sea Sparkles have shell necklaces printed on them. It depends if you see that as a tattooed accessory or a symbol, really...
Those sea ponies were bad to the bone. :cool:
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Ah, yeah. Rump design. That's what I was thinking of.
I didn't know about markings. I like that.
I can't remember what we called them as a kid, I just know it was "butt ____" but I can't remember what. XD
ETA: *falls over* mega evolution. :lmao:
The term you are thinking of is "Butt Tattoos" which is either a mainly G2 or mainly G3 term.
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Sea Sparkles have shell necklaces printed on them. It depends if you see that as a tattooed accessory or a symbol, really...
Those sea ponies were bad to the bone. :cool:
So b-b-b-bad! :lmao:
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Sea Sparkles have shell necklaces printed on them. It depends if you see that as a tattooed accessory or a symbol, really...
Those sea ponies were bad to the bone. :cool:
Never underestimate creatures who can tame alligators, lobsters and such like to do their bidding!
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Sea Sparkles have shell necklaces printed on them. It depends if you see that as a tattooed accessory or a symbol, really...
Those sea ponies were bad to the bone. :cool:
Never underestimate creatures who can tame alligators, lobsters and such like to do their bidding!
All who resisted were magicked into pool floaties. X'D
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Sea Sparkles have shell necklaces printed on them. It depends if you see that as a tattooed accessory or a symbol, really...
Those sea ponies were bad to the bone. :cool:
Never underestimate creatures who can tame alligators, lobsters and such like to do their bidding!
All who resisted were magicked into pool floaties. X'D
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"Help . . . meee . . . "
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Sea Sparkles have shell necklaces printed on them. It depends if you see that as a tattooed accessory or a symbol, really...
Those sea ponies were bad to the bone. :cool:
Never underestimate creatures who can tame alligators, lobsters and such like to do their bidding!
All who resisted were magicked into pool floaties. X'D
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"Help . . . meee . . . "
She...chose poorly.
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HC