The MLP Arena
Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: Dashy77 on April 01, 2014, 12:52:31 PM
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As I've posted most of what goes on with WLF MLP vinyl figures, myself being a collector of their vinyls...I'm at a crossroads right now. Up until the Twilight vinyl, I've collected all the first editions of the Muffin & Scratch. Then the Trixie & Twilight threw me for a loop. There was what I saw as major backlash from collectors and fans for those two vinyls. I figured they'd slow down but apparently what I saw as disappointment for those two figures was but only a small percent of the demo, because they just announced FIVE more DJ-Pon3 variant Vinyls. Plus I really hate how they already explained what the following 4 vinyls will be. I mean no surprise? no guessing? no games to figure it out? no riddles? COME ON!
To follow this road or veer off and find another outlet for collecting....
http://www.welovefine.com/featured/133-dn-pon-3-my-little-pony-black-light-vinyl-figure?utm_source=blacklightpon3&utm_medium=email&utm_content=featured&utm_campaign=140401featured#.UzsQf_ldXHE (http://www.welovefine.com/featured/133-dn-pon-3-my-little-pony-black-light-vinyl-figure?utm_source=blacklightpon3&utm_medium=email&utm_content=featured&utm_campaign=140401featured#.UzsQf_ldXHE)
I'm excited and pissed at the same time. I actually like this first of five design but feels like they took Tron and laid it over DJ. It's just like, the artist designed line was put as a limited and exclusive line up. Limited, rare, short time only. Now it's worse than a video game company releasing a new game every year, whether it's good or not. Now I know that it's a business and they're in it to make money. I'm just ranting and seeing what others think.
What's everyones feelings here?
I will saw however, part of being a true collector for me...I've purchased Trixie, Twilight, and this new DJ-Pon3 vinyl already.
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Another? Plus four more upcoming? Is it an April's Fools joke?
How many DJs in the same pose does one need or even want?
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Lol yea def April Fools joke saw this on twitter.
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Blarg...
[sarcasm] WLF going the cheapest route possible to make the most money out of fans? Why...colour me surprised. [/sarcasm]
I dont like them...never have and will admit to finding every single vinyl they have produced pretty ugly and unlike-able. However they are a commercial company and about as wily and savvy on how to hound every dollar out of fans as a company can be. I have long since accepted them for what they are. After their recent actions I would not expect anything else from them.
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Lol yea def April Fools joke saw this on twitter.
Oh you know what...I didn't even realize that was today...
But if it's April Fool's then why would you even be able to actually make the purchase?
Man...all this heat is getting to me.
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Lol yea def April Fools joke saw this on twitter.
Oh you know what...I didn't even realize that was today...
But if it's April Fool's then why would you even be able to actually make the purchase?
Man...all this heat is getting to me.
Omg if it's not an April fools joke, than major fail again WLF.
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Lol yea def April Fools joke saw this on twitter.
Oh you know what...I didn't even realize that was today...
But if it's April Fool's then why would you even be able to actually make the purchase?
Man...all this heat is getting to me.
Omg if it's not an April fools joke, than major fail again WLF.
Time will tell I guess.
After looking, I saw that they removed the other april fools jokes. The cologne and bro hoof things. Yet this vinyl still remains...
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Considering I actually got a WLF email that mentioned that Vinyl variant about an hour or two ago, and that from the looks of it you can buy it, a good part of me thinks it's real and not a prank (at least this new "DJ Tron-3" being legit).
If this is a prank, it sure is a "good"/risky one, considering how people feel about the figures in the first place.
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Considering I actually got a WLF email that mentioned that Vinyl variant about an hour or two ago, and that from the looks of it you can buy it, a good part of me thinks it's real and not a prank (at least this new "DJ Tron-3" being legit).
If this is a prank, it sure is a "good"/risky one, considering how people feel about the figures in the first place.
I agree, it'd be crossing an already shaky line to make this a prank. Well I was able to purchase it for the sake of my collection so I guess we'll see if I get a refund or what happens.
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How many DJs in the same pose does one need or even want?
None, personally, but I'm sure other people like her more than I do.
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Considering I actually got a WLF email that mentioned that Vinyl variant about an hour or two ago, and that from the looks of it you can buy it, a good part of me thinks it's real and not a prank (at least this new "DJ Tron-3" being legit).
If this is a prank, it sure is a "good"/risky one, considering how people feel about the figures in the first place.
I agree, it'd be crossing an already shaky line to make this a prank. Well I was able to purchase it for the sake of my collection so I guess we'll see if I get a refund or what happens.
If I had more spare money, I might have bought one ( i do like how it looks, even if i don't really like Vinyl).
I just hope we find out sooner or later if this is a real or not.
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- Inverse Colors PON-3 (Like a trippy photo negative!)
- Stylin' Mane PON-3 (With real rooted hair!)
- Bobblehead PON-3 (Nod your head to the beat!)
- Rotating Turntable PON-3 (Battery operated, watch her spin on that disc!)
Considering these "other" DJ PON-3 variations that they are making, I'm sure it's an April Fool's joke.
But it does remind me of how much I hate WeLoveFine now for their skeezy practices to date. Odd that they would make fun of the very fact that has made so many turn their backs on these guys.
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Is this some kind of freakish amalgamation between an April Fools joke and an actual product or what?!
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Strangely enough, it is a product that can be added to one's cart...
Curious!
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You never know. Their last April Fools joke did become a reality.
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Galactica, it's in poor taste if they are making fun of themselves. Or at least it's just really really odd that they would bring it up again. Not to mention I thought they said the shiny versions were the last versions they would make (so buy them now!).
If it is a joke do they really want:
A. Angry people that thought they were buying a real figure and find out it is a joke thus alienating the group that is eating this up.
B. To remind people why they dislike WLF by bringing it up again.
C. Show that WLF isn't ever to be trusted. Not even to deliver a product.
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I'm a bit of a TRON nerd, so I wouldn't mind too much if this is real. If not... eh.
I haven't been following the WLF debacles too closely, so I can't really speak about their business practices. I take it they claim something is a rare/ exclusive thing, then end up producing a million variants of it anyway? If so, that's pretty rude on their part/
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Not gonna lie, I would buy the Tron one.
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It's still up there...still available to order...and a release date along with the other two vinyls.
Ladies and Gents...this might be real
I've received no refund or email stating it was a April Fools from them.
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Another DJ!? I think the Blacklight DJ is real, but the 'other 4 variants' might be a prank. The item description is funny LOL! I dont know if I want one because if I get one...i would be supporting the production of more same-pose DJ variants! I think 3 is enough WLF.....
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I was thinking that even if the Tron variation was for real- would they really do one with rooted hair and the other variations described? I guess so- since the announcement is still up.
And you are right Marigold- They DID say the Shiny versions were the last time that we'd see DJ or Muffins EVER AGAIN!!!
Guess that was another lie. Wasn't the first, nor will it be the last. These kind of practices irritate some collectors, but I guess they don't care since there are plenty more that keep on shelling out WAY too much for these figures.
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They just updated:
All of you who purchased a Black Light DJ PON-3 figure yesterday, you can breathe easy… you actually purchased her! This groovetastic Vinyl Scratch figure is real, and will be shipping in late July. That said.. all that other stuff about real rooted hair and rotating turntables? Yeah, we were pulling your legs. This is the LAST of the last of the PON-3 variants, really and truly!
We do, however, have more freakin' awesome MLP vinyls coming your way in the coming months. They are all NEW. They are all rad. Who are they? We can't say… yet. Stay tuned for updates!
"We're really for real this time, guys... Really!"
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I now hate We Love Fine. Really and truly.
That being said, this is an "interesting" variant. I guess someone really likes those Tron youtube videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgjKQoWD-t0
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And you are right Marigold- They DID say the Shiny versions were the last time that we'd see DJ or Muffins EVER AGAIN!!!
Guess that was another lie.
I do not trust them at all and I won't ever buy from them again. Not even if (as quoted above):
"All of you who purchased a Black Light DJ PON-3 figure yesterday, you can breathe easy… you actually purchased her! This groovetastic Vinyl Scratch figure is real, and will be shipping in late July. That said.. all that other stuff about real rooted hair and rotating turntables? Yeah, we were pulling your legs. This is the LAST of the last of the PON-3 variants, really and truly!"
They STILL lied about the chrome ponies being the last variation.
Also what does "BD" mean? I keep seeing one of the WLF reps posting it after positive comments.
Post Merge: April 02, 2014, 10:41:49 AM
I found one of the places they said they will not be producing any more Muffin or DJ Pon3s from this mold. It is in the comments of the chrome Muffin. I am sure I read it elsewhere too, but here is at least some proof:
Justine writes: "Nope! These are the last runs for the Snuggle Bubble and the DJ PON molds. We will no longer be creating more figures after these have sold out."
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"We do apologize as we're discontinuing these figures after the chrome set."
http://www.welovefine.com/7639-snuggle-bubble-chrome-vinyl-figure.html
There are also comments from someone else on the Chrome DJ page saying the chromes are the last runs.
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They just updated:
All of you who purchased a Black Light DJ PON-3 figure yesterday, you can breathe easy… you actually purchased her! This groovetastic Vinyl Scratch figure is real, and will be shipping in late July. That said.. all that other stuff about real rooted hair and rotating turntables? Yeah, we were pulling your legs. This is the LAST of the last of the PON-3 variants, really and truly!
We do, however, have more freakin' awesome MLP vinyls coming your way in the coming months. They are all NEW. They are all rad. Who are they? We can't say… yet. Stay tuned for updates!
"We're really for real this time, guys... Really!"
Sad thing is, if it had rooted hair I might like it.
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And you are right Marigold- They DID say the Shiny versions were the last time that we'd see DJ or Muffins EVER AGAIN!!!
Guess that was another lie.
I do not trust them at all and I won't ever buy from them again. Not even if (as quoted above):
"All of you who purchased a Black Light DJ PON-3 figure yesterday, you can breathe easy… you actually purchased her! This groovetastic Vinyl Scratch figure is real, and will be shipping in late July. That said.. all that other stuff about real rooted hair and rotating turntables? Yeah, we were pulling your legs. This is the LAST of the last of the PON-3 variants, really and truly!"
They STILL lied about the chrome ponies being the last variation.
Also what does "BD" mean? I keep seeing one of the WLF reps posting it after positive comments.
Post Merge: April 02, 2014, 10:41:49 AM
I found one of the places they said they will not be producing any more Muffin or DJ Pon3s from this mold. It is in the comments of the chrome Muffin. I am sure I read it elsewhere too, but here is at least some proof:
Justine writes: "Nope! These are the last runs for the Snuggle Bubble and the DJ PON molds. We will no longer be creating more figures after these have sold out."
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"We do apologize as we're discontinuing these figures after the chrome set."
http://www.welovefine.com/7639-snuggle-bubble-chrome-vinyl-figure.html
There are also comments from someone else on the Chrome DJ page saying the chromes are the last runs.
They are seriously such liars! I am actually pretty surprised that there are not more people boycotting them. They have now proven, without any doubt, that they will say anything to make a sale whether it is true or not. Seems like they are violating some consumer protection act laws here, but
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I actually like the Tron pony
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I actually like the Tron pony
It is okay to like it. I don't think anyone is actually saying it is ugly or unlikable. :)
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Huh, that's pretty sneaky. I know they're out to make money, but still.
I dont like them...never have and will admit to finding every single vinyl they have produced pretty ugly and unlike-able.
I'm glad I'm not the only one :P
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Is this some kind of freakish amalgamation between an April Fools joke and an actual product or what?!
Sparkle Pony had it right!! XD
But seriously, guys, this is ridiculous. You guys should take screenshots of the posts where they say that the chrome is the last release and send the screenshots to the WLF customer contact, or post on their message boards if they have one.
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I think the Tron pony and the Bubbles ponies are cute too- but I seriously DESPISE WeLoveFine and will never buy another thing from them again, because they REPEATEDLY lie to their customers!
Post Merge: April 02, 2014, 11:31:16 AM
Is this some kind of freakish amalgamation between an April Fools joke and an actual product or what?!
Sparkle Pony had it right!! XD
But seriously, guys, this is ridiculous. You guys should take screenshots of the posts where they say that the chrome is the last release and send the screenshots to the WLF customer contact, or post on their message boards if they have one.
I seriously wish that I had taken a screen shot of ALL of the times that they proclaimed (falsely) that THIS IS THE VERY LAST TIME YOU WILL SEE THIS PONY!
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At least the people who purchased DJ Tron-3 are actually going to get one. I didn't buy one, but I would be upset if it was a "LOL there is not going to be a real DJ Tron-3 figure! Here's your money back, all you people who fell for our prank and actually bought one! " type of situation.
But yeah,... I refuse to believe they won't make anymore Vinyl Scratch figures...or any of the others, for that matter.
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The CHROME announcement here previously claimed that HURRY LAST CHANCE! Or some such-
And actually in the description it STILL says "To Celebrate our FINAL WAVE IN THIS SERIES" (caps added)
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In the comments, WeLoveFine reps repeat that this is your last shot at the figures...
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WeLoveFine's pants are SO on fire.
The sad thing to me is that the brony community could care less, so WeLoveFine will keep on doing whatever they feel like doing whether it lacks integrity or not. Who knows what other shady practices that they utilize.
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Wow I cannot believe this.. again they lied!
I'm boycotting them for two reasons
1. They are liars
2. Their figures are ugly and have stupid variants.
It would take a pretty special amazing mold/pony to break that, but there is no way I would ever be interested in collecting all of them, especially Twilight, Trixie, and the dumb variants.
They said that Trixie and Twilight will not get other variants, watch them lie again, and release 3-4 more versions of those two, what a joke.
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Lol yea def April Fools joke saw this on twitter.
Looks like not this one. I'm okay with the other ones being jokes though.
Sadly, it seems as this is a new trick of theirs. We're done with this!...NOT!...okay for real now...srly guys...no moarz...
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Well I emailed Seth over at EquestriaD with what we'd noticed and the screenshots- hoping he'd make a public post about WeLoveFine's crap. (I think WeLoveFine will pay more attention to the bronies than us for some reason)
He said it was odd and that he'd "bring it up" and "maybe they could explain it a bit".
Not sure what this means exactly, but will wait and see what happens. It would be nice if instead of advertising WeLoveFine's stupid dishonest re-released "last time only" specials, EQD actually brought up the fact that they are using dishonest marketing strategies to sell their products.
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Can I admit I ll be pleasantly surprised if something is posted? I have no doubt they make a very very very nice PPC ad revenue from WLF. And as they are just a personal blog rather than a news site, they are more than within their right to post what they please rather than everything.
Its disappointing but as long as people continue to fall for the gag...WLF will just keep on doing it.
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Yeah I would be surprised as well. I kinda don't expect EqD to post an article like that about WLF.
I can actually imagine that if an article is posted, a good amount of the comments (from readers) would have a , "So what/Who cares?" attitude.
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Well I emailed Seth over at EquestriaD with what we'd noticed and the screenshots- hoping he'd make a public post about WeLoveFine's crap. (I think WeLoveFine will pay more attention to the bronies than us for some reason)
He said it was odd and that he'd "bring it up" and "maybe they could explain it a bit".
Not sure what this means exactly, but will wait and see what happens. It would be nice if instead of advertising WeLoveFine's stupid dishonest re-released "last time only" specials, EQD actually brought up the fact that they are using dishonest marketing strategies to sell their products.
I don't go to Equestria Daily that often so I'd miss it if they did post something. To me they should because It's not fair to anyone (Be they brony or not) for a company to advertise a figure as being limited and yet continue to release it multiple times.
I have a feeling the path welovefine is probably going to take is: because it's painted different, it's a different limited figure.
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Can I admit I ll be pleasantly surprised if something is posted? I have no doubt they make a very very very nice PPC ad revenue from WLF. And as they are just a personal blog rather than a news site, they are more than within their right to post what they please rather than everything.
Its disappointing but as long as people continue to fall for the gag...WLF will just keep on doing it.
Judging from the comments on EQD about the figures- it really seems as though most of the bronies truly do not care that WLF has lied to its customers again and again.
I don't know if it is attributable to their age or what, but the complete indifference to the fact that WLF has demonstrated such an obvious and blatant lack of integrity- is nearly as disappointing to me as the lack of integrity itself. :(
I was a bit taken aback at the mildness of Seth's response. I think you are right in that they make some good ad revenue from WLF and maybe don't want to irritate them. Or maybe like 90% of the brony commentors, EQD simply does not find the lies concerning.
Post Merge: April 02, 2014, 03:51:04 PM
Well I emailed Seth over at EquestriaD with what we'd noticed and the screenshots- hoping he'd make a public post about WeLoveFine's crap. (I think WeLoveFine will pay more attention to the bronies than us for some reason)
He said it was odd and that he'd "bring it up" and "maybe they could explain it a bit".
Not sure what this means exactly, but will wait and see what happens. It would be nice if instead of advertising WeLoveFine's stupid dishonest re-released "last time only" specials, EQD actually brought up the fact that they are using dishonest marketing strategies to sell their products.
I don't go to Equestria Daily that often so I'd miss it if they did post something. To me they should because It's not fair to anyone (Be they brony or not) for a company to advertise a figure as being limited and yet continue to release it multiple times.
I have a feeling the path welovefine is probably going to take is: because it's painted different, it's a different limited figure.
That explanation worked the first time they made the flocked and then Chrome figures- but for the Chrome figures- they make it clear right in the announcement that the Chrome ones were the "last runs in the series" and then staff reassure people in the comments that "there will be no more made in the Muffin or DJ molds"
I think WLF WOULD listen if EQD posted something- since there are so many viewers in their target market. I hope they do but I am not feeling super optimistic.
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I'm guessing EQG comes at it with the perspective of wanting toys with molded hair. If WLF is making more toys like that than previously expected, that comes out as a net gain.
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Yes, I think everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even though I don't personally agree with it... Looking at it from the point of view of a young collector who wants more merchandise to collect and display in their home, a company that puts out a wide variety of the same character you really love isn't a bad thing, even if they keep changing their mind and saying one thing but doing another.
To me, personally, I am very angered by dishonest companies. Right now I'm dealing with a giant Verizon headache because of their dishonest practices... But to EqD, who are getting ad revenue from them, and their fans who want more and more stuff of the same characters they like, I guess it makes sense that they probably wouldn't have an issue with it.
Maybe they will be able to look at it from our point of view, that we feel cheated when a company says they are releasing something special just for a short time and then later change their mind, thereby making the item you collected lose value and uniqueness.
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Perhaps the reps doing all the speaking for the company don't actually know what Corporate has up their sleeves? Maybe that's why we're seeing false reports.
This makes me grumpy, too. It really isn't right for them to say that they were done with these, only to produce more. Again.
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Judging from the comments on EQD about the figures- it really seems as though most of the bronies truly do not care that WLF has lied to its customers again and again.
I don't know if it is attributable to their age or what, but the complete indifference to the fact that WLF has demonstrated such an obvious and blatant lack of integrity- is nearly as disappointing to me as the lack of integrity itself. :(
I do think it is (partially at least) because WLF answers their demand for more "show accurate" pony figures/merchandise. "So what if they keep lying about not releasing figures anymore? Yay we are getting more show accurate pony merchandise/figures of OUR favorite characters!!"
I feel weird saying this, but the words/term "show-accurate" when it comes to MLP bugs me for some reason. D:
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It's okay if they want to keep producing the same thing or variations of it, but just be truthful about it. Say you don't know when production will be stopped or if other versions will be made. Don't give a definite limit and then change your mind.
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Wow WLF. I remember readng these were the last ones too! Im dissappointed they lied but at the same time im not surprised! I have personally seen and read everything in the screenshots you guys have posted myself on their website! Im totally fine with them making these, I do like them, but they dont need to lie about not releaseing more ever again after chromes then poop out 3 more out plus even more on the way. I wish WLF would apologize...
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Judging from the comments on EQD about the figures- it really seems as though most of the bronies truly do not care that WLF has lied to its customers again and again.
I don't know if it is attributable to their age or what, but the complete indifference to the fact that WLF has demonstrated such an obvious and blatant lack of integrity- is nearly as disappointing to me as the lack of integrity itself. :(
I do think it is (partially at least) because WLF answers their demand for more "show accurate" pony figures/merchandise. "So what if they keep lying about not releasing figures anymore? Yay we are getting more show accurate pony merchandise/figures of OUR favorite characters!!"
I feel weird saying this, but the words/term "show-accurate" when it comes to MLP bugs me for some reason. D:
It is my most hated phrase :P
Other than some moulded hair, I also don't see how any of these characters are more show accurate. Break dancing DJ does not look any more like the cartoon version than the Hasbro released SDCC/Fair exclusive. I think the fandom needs to be more honest. Its not really about show accurate its about anything without brushable hair [for some reason?!] and anything which makes MLP "non girly".
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Judging from the comments on EQD about the figures- it really seems as though most of the bronies truly do not care that WLF has lied to its customers again and again.
I don't know if it is attributable to their age or what, but the complete indifference to the fact that WLF has demonstrated such an obvious and blatant lack of integrity- is nearly as disappointing to me as the lack of integrity itself. :(
I do think it is (partially at least) because WLF answers their demand for more "show accurate" pony figures/merchandise. "So what if they keep lying about not releasing figures anymore? Yay we are getting more show accurate pony merchandise/figures of OUR favorite characters!!"
I feel weird saying this, but the words/term "show-accurate" when it comes to MLP bugs me for some reason. D:
It is my most hated phrase :P
Other than some moulded hair, I also don't see how any of these characters are more show accurate. Break dancing DJ does not look any more like the cartoon version than the Hasbro released SDCC/Fair exclusive. I think the fandom needs to be more honest. Its not really about show accurate its about anything without brushable hair [for some reason?!] and anything which makes MLP "non girly".
Agree 100%. I really hate the phrase "show-accurate" too.... so much so that it has become somewhat of a joke in the Eyes household.
WLF is not a company I have really bought from in the past as I don't like their figures or merch, but even if I saw something I liked I would now refrain from buying it due to their dishonest practices.
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For WLF, I don't know if it's really 'show accurate' that is drawing the fandom's attention. After all, look at their newest figurine, that humanoid stance Twilight Sparkle.
I think it's the part of the fandom that produce fanart. The people are all very enamored with WLF because WLF takes fanart and makes it famous. Each person who makes MLP art thinks they might someday see their art on WLF's products.
This kind of thing is 'big' right now. Anything that encourages the involvement of the masses is a popular thing in our population. Realty shows and news stations are taking advantage of it, asking for more and more audience precipitation, and that's just the tip of the ice burg. Companies like WLF make the fans feel special and like their art can become the next big popular thing.
I have to admit it's a very enticing (and very lazy) way to run a business. WLF doesn't have to design anything on their own, they just go to the fans and take the most popular art and slap it on some products. Instant profit, and at the same time they develop a fanbase that love them no matter what.
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I do think it is (partially at least) because WLF answers their demand for more "show accurate" pony figures/merchandise. "So what if they keep lying about not releasing figures anymore? Yay we are getting more show accurate pony merchandise/figures of OUR favorite characters!!"
I feel weird saying this, but the words/term "show-accurate" when it comes to MLP bugs me for some reason. D:
Except that these figures aren't really show accurate. That term in context with MLP really bugs me too and I don't know why o.O
I haven't bought any collectables from them, but I was disappointed with shirts and service 2nd (and seems like last) time I bought from them. Kinda sucks because they have really nice designs *sigh*
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I'm glad I don't like any of the figures because I wouldn't want to give them any business. "This is the last one" hmmm... Somehow I don't believe them :P And how many variants of the same thing can you make anyway? :blink: Seems like even the bronies would get tired of it.
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Does it make the artists more profitable on their own? Because WLF takes exclusive rights to any art they submit and profits from it with only a minimal one time payment to the artist.
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I think it gives certain artists a higher profile and more respected status within the fandom. Therefore people want their art to be used as it makes them more likely to be commissioned or just more likely to be liked. If that makes sense :P
This is a fandom packed full of "celebrity fans" remember - just regular fans who for one reason or another are escalated to higher status so its perhaps not surprising some want so much to be recognised.
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Judging from the comments on EQD about the figures- it really seems as though most of the bronies truly do not care that WLF has lied to its customers again and again.
I don't know if it is attributable to their age or what, but the complete indifference to the fact that WLF has demonstrated such an obvious and blatant lack of integrity- is nearly as disappointing to me as the lack of integrity itself. :(
I do think it is (partially at least) because WLF answers their demand for more "show accurate" pony figures/merchandise. "So what if they keep lying about not releasing figures anymore? Yay we are getting more show accurate pony merchandise/figures of OUR favorite characters!!"
I feel weird saying this, but the words/term "show-accurate" when it comes to MLP bugs me for some reason. D:
It is my most hated phrase :P
Other than some moulded hair, I also don't see how any of these characters are more show accurate. Break dancing DJ does not look any more like the cartoon version than the Hasbro released SDCC/Fair exclusive. I think the fandom needs to be more honest. Its not really about show accurate its about anything without brushable hair [for some reason?!] and anything which makes MLP "non girly".
if we are being honest here, the hasbro brushies have a more 'show accurate' faces and bodies than the wlf toys. :b
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Well EQD posted something today- no mention of the misrepresentations, no mention of an "explanation" from WLF. Not terribly surprising I suppose.
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I know the WLF figures aren't really "show accurate", but at the moment I couldn't think of a better term for it. ^^;
It popped into my head when I was thinking back to when the Funko figures came out, there were a lot of " OMG these figures are so much better than Hasbro's stuff because the characters are show-accurate/ lack [girly, incorrectly-styled] brushable hair!" along with fans demanding more "show-accurate" stuff in general.
If I had a quarter for every time a " Where is Applejack's [brown] hat?! :mad: " comment shows up whenever new Applejack merchandise gets revealed... ^^;
As some of you mentioned, it likely is because in part WLF gives them "manly"/"totally not just for girls" products, hence why fans love them so much, even if they keep going back on re-releasing certain figures over and over again. ^^;
Speaking of the fan-art aspect of their popularity, I had wondered if WLF actually does their own MLP shirts anymore. Like, ones that don't have art from an fan-artist. IIRC, I remember when WLF first started their MLP line, there weren't a lot of "fan art" shirts (if any). Nowadays, it seems that's all they have for their shirts. They even have that year-long contest going on. ^^;
(Not knocking on any of the fan-artists themselves or anything - I'd be lying if I said I would never enter one of their shirt contests, if I felt confident enough).
Well EQD posted something today- no mention of the misrepresentations, no mention of an "explanation" from WLF. Not terribly surprising I suppose.
That is a bummer. :( I guess EqD doesn't want to risk potentially upsetting WLF if they were to bring up an article about their whole re-releasing " never going to be made again!!" figures situation.
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I know the WLF figures aren't really "show accurate", but at the moment I couldn't think of a better term for it. ^^;
Sorry, I wanted to say that figures/toys with fully moulded hair seem to be perceived as "show accurate" even though they are obviously not ^^;
Speaking of the fan-art aspect of their popularity, I had wondered if WLF actually does their own MLP shirts anymore. Like, ones that don't have art from an fan-artist. IIRC, I remember when WLF first started their MLP line, there weren't a lot of "fan art" shirts (if any). Nowadays, it seems that's all they have for their shirts. They even have that year-long contest going on. ^^;
I've noticed that some of the designs which previously had "fan made" sign now don't...
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I realize the pony artists really are pleased that their designs are being turned into merch- but why deal with a company that you know is completely dishonest?
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Anyone else think that releasing the new variant on April 1st was kind of to hedge their bets? If it was popular, they could go ahead with it, but if it made people mad, they could always call it a joke and be done with it.
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I've had a lot of positive dealings with WLF, but I have had one negative experience that stuck out in my mind. I purchased a shirt from them with the design peeling off after I tried to remove the size sticker from Hot Topic, and they very graciously agreed to replace the shirt with a new one. (Not the bad part!) But then they accidentally sent me someone else's order entirely! Three Marvel shirts, which I then had to give to the UPS guy, slap on a new sticker and send it to the new owner!
In my mind, a mistake like that would usually be rectified by simply saying 'hey, keep that shirt, we'll resend it to the other person, keep it for your trouble.' But WLF isn't a huge company like Target or Walmart, so I can understand why it's not cost-effective for them to do that. My biggest frustration was that what they said to me was 'we'll send you a prepaid label to return the shirts to us,' not 'the USPS guy will be standing at your door with the label waiting impatiently for you to hastily tape up the box you didn't think would need to be ready today.' If I had been at work, or not home, it would have been an even bigger hassle than it already was! All I wanted was a replacement shirt, and instead I got a headache. :P
So hearing about more of their issues isn't ... surprising, in a way? WLF seems to get a lot of praise, when I find some of their actions (including the continual changing commentary, like "it's only for sale at a con! okay, now you can get them with $150 of shirts! okay, now you can just buy them, but they're limited edition! Okay, now they're getting 300 new re-releases!") unprofessional. I wish they had more official designs too, I'm not very fond of the overemphasis that fanart seems to have taken in their line. There's nothing wrong with fanart, I just prefer to have an equal mix of fanart and official art, you know? If I wanted a fanart shirt, I'd go to Redbubble or something like that.
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They are most definitely not professional. I suspect you will be seeing more fan based stuff not less, because then they don't have to pay an artist they can get the designs for free.
Honestly their practices make me think that a bunch of 17 year olds are running the place.
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I realize the pony artists really are pleased that their designs are being turned into merch- but why deal with a company that you know is completely dishonest?
Maybe because of exposure and potentially getting new fans/customers, should your art actually be selected to win (or get into the " Vote for your favorite design now!" stage)? I can imagine that even if someone's design didn't ultimately win the chance to be a T-shirt design, if people know who drew the design, it would possible bring them people going "Oh, I remember seeing one of your designs in the contest! I love your art style! Can I commission you to draw one of my pony OCs like that?". Which can lead them to get commissions (and/or increased popularity), so entering the contest could be a "win-win" situation.
If that made any sense - curse my wording sometimes. xD
Sorry, I wanted to say that figures/toys with fully moulded hair seem to be perceived as "show accurate" even though they are obviously not ^^;
I've noticed that some of the designs which previously had "fan made" sign now don't...
No worries! :D I had understood what you meant with what you said earlier.
Wow, really? I wonder why they dont have the signs anymore. I guess WLF decided to take full ownership of the image?
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They are most definitely not professional. I suspect you will be seeing more fan based stuff not less, because then they don't have to pay an artist they can get the designs for free.
Honestly their practices make me think that a bunch of 17 year olds are running the place.
In fairness, I do think think they pay the artists. I'm not sure if it's a one-time deal ("We'll pay you $X to use this design for as long as we like") or commission per shirt sold though. Some of the artists I know of who have several designs up on WLF would not give up their work for free/"exposure", so I do believe there is monetary compensation, I just don't know how much or how often.
I'm not much for geeky t-shirts these days but in my late teens I would have been all over WLF had it existed like it does now. They sell some really neat products and I love how artistic the designs can get. Far better than the "clip art and meme phrase irrelevant to the franchise" shirts I was used to seeing. But some of their practices are just beyond me. I've ordered from them before and have mixed reviews, but most of my issues come down to shipping. I once ordered a pair of pajama bottoms for a friend for Christmas and it took them an entire month to ship. A week after I ordered them I saw the same pair at Hot Topic, so I knew it wasn't one of those items they have to print individually at their warehouse or w/e they say they do; it's mass produced. If I had known I could just get them at HT I wouldn't have bothered.
And then of course there's this mess. Even if they made a figure I really liked the look of, I don't think I could bring myself to order from them at this point.
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Well EQD posted something today- no mention of the misrepresentations, no mention of an "explanation" from WLF. Not terribly surprising I suppose.
I saw that too, As I read through it I was waiting for them to mention something about WLF lying but I feel like they sugarcoated and made it sound awesome they released another DJ. I think WLF gives EQD promo discount codes for their website from time-to-time so they didnt want to start something to potentionaly get on bad terms with them. Oh well. Stupid WLF lol.
Post Merge: April 04, 2014, 02:55:37 AM
I was just poking adound at their vinyls and read the description of the Trixie and FT figure. In red caps it says: " THERE WILL BE NO VARIANTS MADE FOR watch Awe Trixie/Future Twilight". Calling BS right now, took screenshots LOL! Watch they will make like 4 variants for these two in the later future.
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It's so interesting seeing the hate for WLF here and the acceptance of WLF on EQD and other sites. Surprised none are mixed somewhere.
I sport some of the WLF MLP shirts for my workout shirts tbh. lol. I have 3? 4 maybe? I wear only when dropping kid off at school or working out. That's just me though.
As far as the whole "show accurate" term, I think it's lazy to consider the coloring and potential pose to fit the "show accurate" phrase. I do however think they their vinyls offer more personality than any of vinyl figures yet.
Just my .02
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Maybe it's because most of us are collectors. We are fans too, but we would likely be collecting ponies with or without the show. So we have a certain standard we expect collectors items to have. Maybe over there they are mostly just fans who happen to collect stuff that has to do with their fandom. There is a difference.
Like how I collect dolls including Frozen dolls. But a fan of Frozen might collect everything Frozen and not really see the dolls specifically as collectables.
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Maybe it's because most of us are collectors. We are fans too, but we would likely be collecting ponies with or without the show. So we have a certain standard we expect collectors items to have. Maybe over there they are mostly just fans who happen to collect stuff that has to do with their fandom. There is a difference.
Like how I collect dolls including Frozen dolls. But a fan of Frozen might collect everything Frozen and not really see the dolls specifically as collectables.
I think that is a very good theory.
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I don't know if I'd qualify the opinions here as hate...maybe some people hate WLF - it's more like ethics in a business. Especially in the collecting market (and this isn't just MLP). Even if a customer doesn't care, it's still unfair to everyone to change your mind about a limited production product.
They should have been upfront about it, but instead saying it was limited and then going back on that...that's a bit shady IMO. So my opinion has nothing to do with hate. It has everything to do with can I trust you, as a company when you tell me something about your product.
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Maybe it's because most of us are collectors. We are fans too, but we would likely be collecting ponies with or without the show. So we have a certain standard we expect collectors items to have. Maybe over there they are mostly just fans who happen to collect stuff that has to do with their fandom. There is a difference.
Like how I collect dolls including Frozen dolls. But a fan of Frozen might collect everything Frozen and not really see the dolls specifically as collectables.
Very good observation.
I don't know if I'd qualify the opinions here as hate...maybe some people hate WLF - it's more like ethics in a business. Especially in the collecting market (and this isn't just MLP). Even if a customer doesn't care, it's still unfair to everyone to change your mind about a limited production product.
They should have been upfront about it, but instead saying it was limited and then going back on that...that's a bit shady IMO. So my opinion has nothing to do with hate. It has everything to do with can I trust you, as a company when you tell me something about your product.
I take it whatever people say on the forums is only at best,half of what they truly feel.
Well people hate not being able to trust a business so they sways the emotions. I can see what you mean though. Maybe hatred wasn't the most accurate description.
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They should have been upfront about it, but instead saying it was limited and then going back on that...that's a bit shady IMO. So my opinion has nothing to do with hate. It has everything to do with can I trust you, as a company when you tell me something about your product.
This is basically how I feel about WLF. I don't completely hate them or anything - I think they have some neat products on their site, and I love the LED Princess Twilight Sparkle shirt I got. And I do like that they are willing to give fans what they want. I just personally don't like how they are handling their figures and telling us/fans one thing, then lying/changing their mind on it afterwards.
I do feel if they had never stated that "We wont be making _____ anymore, so buy it now!!" in the first place when selling the figures, people wouldn't be so upset at them. Especially when for Muffin Pony's figure, I remember people paying high amounts of money to buy one, be it on eBay (since IIRC she was con-exclusive when she first came out) or WLF's " Spend $______ and you'll eligible to buy the figure for $25" promo/offer.
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Maybe it's because most of us are collectors. We are fans too, but we would likely be collecting ponies with or without the show. So we have a certain standard we expect collectors items to have. Maybe over there they are mostly just fans who happen to collect stuff that has to do with their fandom. There is a difference.
Like how I collect dolls including Frozen dolls. But a fan of Frozen might collect everything Frozen and not really see the dolls specifically as collectables.
That exactly explains how I feel, LOL! Well said!
For myself, I've bought several of their shirts over the years, I bought several of the plush 'hug me' backpacks as well; I like a lot of their products, and I like their sales. But for a lot of their non-shirt items, I think they are very overpriced, especially for what you get. (Fanart, essentially, since they're not Hasbro.) So I wait for sales, and I keep an eye out for stuff that looks like it might sell out or be 'exclusive.' So when they trumpet 'exclusive! rare! never gonna be sold again!', it draws my attention; but then when it later turns into 'just kidding, now you can buy 30 variants and it's not rare!', it looks very dishonest, and very money-grubbing. And for a company that I already consider expensive, being money-grubbing on top of that rubs me the wrong way.
Basically, if I'm dropping $50 on an item, I want to have some assurance that in three months, it won't be worth $10.