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Title: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Keiri on April 12, 2012, 04:01:03 PM
Didn't see a topic on this yet so I thought it'd be okay to start one..


I don't know if I'm allowed to link to EQD or not, but here's some copypaste. It's out of order so you'll have to read bottom to top. I'm still having a mini heart attack over this, sorry.


Response Via Email (Veronica)
04/12/2012 03:30 PM
Hi Shaun,

Thank you for waiting for my response.

The My Little Pony look-a-like in the link you provided is not a Hasbro product.

Thank you.
Response Via Email (Veronica)
04/11/2012 02:17 PM
Hi Shaun,

Thank you for contacting Hasbro, Inc. regarding My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. I appreciate your interest!

I am sorry to advise that the information you have requested is not readily available.

Your question has been shared with our team for assistance. Please be assured I will notify you once the information is available.

I thank you, in advance, for your patience.
Customer By Web Form (Shaun)
04/08/2012 08:46 PM
A website called Taobao.com recently had :muffin: Pony Hooves toys for sale that looked surprisingly realistic.

It looks like these have now migrated over to ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Official-UNRELEASED-:muffin: Pony-HOOVES-Ditzy-Doo-My-Little-Pony-Friendship-Magic-G4-/160776715590?_trksid=p4340.m1374&_trkparms=algo%3DUPI.GIROS%26its%3DI%252BC%252BS%26itu%3DUCI%252BUCC%26otn%3D13%26pmod%3D280859278691%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D7586229672463402976#ht_9360wt_1270

I am trying to determine if these toys are actually going to be legitimately released in the future. The sellers on Taobao tend to have items straight from the manufacturing plants, so many people are excited about them.

Thanks for the answer!

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Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: okapishomapi on April 12, 2012, 04:03:25 PM
Oh no :(

Post Merge: April 12, 2012, 04:03:41 PM

Oh but thank you for letting us know :hug:
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Chi on April 12, 2012, 04:03:55 PM
I saw this on my Twitter feed. Not sure how I feel. /shrug
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: TwistedWindSox on April 12, 2012, 04:04:50 PM
It sucks that they're not real MLPs, but they are still darn cute, and I wish I could get a hold of one.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: babystarz on April 12, 2012, 04:05:32 PM
Ok, I guess I'm confused here because I'm wondering if Hasbro means that this is a legitimate prototype, but production was cancelled (due to the controversy) and there isn't a :muffin: Pony slated for official release, or if they never even tested out a :muffin: Pony. That makes a big difference as to whether it's really "fake" in my eyes, because I don't consider a prototype to be fake.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: hathorcat on April 12, 2012, 04:06:08 PM
Hmmmmmm....Hasbro Customer Services...to trust or not to trust that is the question?

I dont think I ll be stunned if it is an elaborate "fake" but I wouldnt take anything HB Customer Services say as completely accurate - they know less about their product line than we do sometimes...this is the company that denied Blind Bags were in existence for a while....

If it is a fake...wow! that will make the handful in existence shoot up in value...if its not a fake...cool more chance for the rest of us to track them down.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Icicle on April 12, 2012, 04:06:50 PM
I am not taking what Hasbro says at face value. They often give people the runaround with information they are not allowed to give out. Namely the blind bags before they showed up in the US. People were told we were getting them, then told Hasbro didn't know what they were talking about.. then they weren't coming out here at all.. then they showed up in the US.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Keiri on April 12, 2012, 04:09:20 PM
Guess I got too overexcited, sorry guys.  :blush:  This was just a shock to me.. I do hope that the rep was just misinformed or Hasbro is lying.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: hathorcat on April 12, 2012, 04:11:37 PM
Hey...pony news is pony news! You should always post it - get it out there!

Customer Services *could* be right on this one occasion...I am just sceptical as they tend to lead people a merry dance when you try and get a straight answer out of them - guess we ll only find out as time goes on!
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: babystarz on April 12, 2012, 04:18:55 PM
Ha agreed, this just makes :muffin: Pony even more mysterious :)
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on April 12, 2012, 04:22:25 PM
The problem I've seen so far is that as soon as a prototype has been seen on Tao, the actually pony is announced not too long after. Or at least that is what it seems to me. We have yet to see anything official about Ditzy Doo (Yes I'm going to call her by her show name from the first season >.> ;) being released as a Fashion Style pony.

How long has that :muffin: Pony been out on Tao?
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Dragonflitter on April 12, 2012, 04:23:43 PM
If a company sees a future product (or a prototype that they decided not to go forward with) is out in the online community and being sold on ebay and other places, my guess is that they're going to deny all knowledge immediately. It would cause too much backlash on them if they legitimize a product that's not even close to available yet, or acknowledge that a toy that was going to come out is no longer going to be made (especially if they know how popular she is with the fan base.)

Or, as we've said, it could be some parts of Hasbro have no idea what other parts are doing lol.

I'm not giving up hope yet! I really don't see how these could be made if they weren't a prototype. A factory worker would have had to sneak in and use a FS mold without permission, mix up a totally unique color for the plastic since that's not Rainbow Dash's blue, hair her with hair that doesn't exist in any other FS pony, and also somehow create the eyes and cutie mark from scratch. I just don't see it happening, even if a factory worker was aware of how popular she is to the online community.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: ponylady on April 12, 2012, 04:44:40 PM

I'm not giving up hope yet! I really don't see how these could be made if they weren't a prototype. A factory worker would have had to sneak in and use a FS mold without permission, mix up a totally unique color for the plastic since that's not Rainbow Dash's blue, hair her with hair that doesn't exist in any other FS pony, and also somehow create the eyes and cutie mark from scratch. I just don't see it happening, even if a factory worker was aware of how popular she is to the online community.
This!! :)
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Megans_Cousin on April 12, 2012, 04:47:18 PM
Whoo, :muffin: Pony... I'm going to echo what others have said here. A prototype is not a fake. If she was just a look-a-like, she'd have to be one of the most elaborate hoaxes ever! Also, what about Minty, Sweetie Blue and that lil yellow unicorn with purple hair? Are they all fakes too? It would've been interesting to hear what Hasbro had to say about those.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: josiekat on April 12, 2012, 05:05:49 PM
I'm thinking prototype. The more I think about it, the more I think she is going to be an exclusive. The Brony movement is so large and strong at the moment. I wonder if Bronycon is NY (that's the super large one yes?) is going to get their own exclusive like how we get an exclusive fair pony.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: teresat on April 12, 2012, 05:12:53 PM
Little yellow unicorn with purple hair at Toy Fair 2012:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulnomad/6859942123/in/set-72157629279014291 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulnomad/6859942123/in/set-72157629279014291)

Yet, the yellow unicorn's 2 companions haven't been seen on Taobao. We know about Zecora but she wasn't on Taobao. But her companions from the exclusive TRU pack have been briefly seen on Taobao.

The person from Hasbro CS doesn't indicate who told her that the :muffin: Pony was not a Hasbro product.

There are many companies that keep employees in the dark about new and upcoming products, like Apple.

I personally think this still can go either way. We haven't seen any new Fashion Style Ponies for a long time. This also doesn't take into account a ComicCon Pony or a PonyFair Pony. So many possibilities!
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: knitgirl on April 12, 2012, 05:19:15 PM
*Cries!!!*

I really want one, but I don't have $200 to spend :-(  I'd make a custom but I'm not good at doing the full body repaints :-(
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Snapdragon on April 12, 2012, 05:22:05 PM
LOL, implying that EqD ever fact-checks. ;) I'll wait to see what this year's Comicon pony is, THEN decide whether or not Bubblecup was a once-off.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Tulips on April 12, 2012, 05:27:03 PM
*Cries!!!*

I really want one, but I don't have $200 to spend :-(  I'd make a custom but I'm not good at doing the full body repaints :-(

Dunno if you're interested but there is a custom FS :muffin: Pony for sale on eBay at the moment, bidding price starting under $100 and BIN price is $100 US. She even comes with a little mail bag... $100 is still a bit high but it's cheaper than the ones coming from people who got her from TaoBao.
I'd nab her myself but I still hold out the hope that she will be a legit release one day and I only ever buy G4 ponies MIB, if she's never genuine I'll just sigh and move on.
(ebay listing 'Giant 15 cm Styling Size :muffin: Pony HOOVES')


Also, could it possibly be because of all the wedding stuff that ponies haven't appeared as legit releases. She might be scheduled to release after all the hype over the wedding stuff has died down.
I don't know what to think anymore but I'm still fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on April 12, 2012, 05:34:51 PM
Little yellow unicorn with purple hair at Toy Fair 2012:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulnomad/6859942123/in/set-72157629279014291 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulnomad/6859942123/in/set-72157629279014291)

Yet, the yellow unicorn's 2 companions haven't been seen on Taobao. We know about Zecora but she wasn't on Taobao. But her companions from the exclusive TRU pack have been briefly seen on Taobao.

The person from Hasbro CS doesn't indicate who told her that the :muffin: Pony was not a Hasbro product.

There are many companies that keep employees in the dark about new and upcoming products, like Apple.

I personally think this still can go either way. We haven't seen any new Fashion Style Ponies for a long time. This also doesn't take into account a ComicCon Pony or a PonyFair Pony. So many possibilities!
Well I think the ones shown at the toy fair are a different case entirely XD When G4s first came out did any of them first show up in Tao before the toy fair? Like I said it was just something I figured with recent releases (in other words, my opinion on it :) So I could be completely wrong)
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Malicieuse on April 12, 2012, 05:36:10 PM
Hasbro custom service line...yup, that sure sounds reliable! XP
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: BerylBreeze on April 12, 2012, 05:38:33 PM
Saying it's fake might discourage people from buying that toy that was likely stolen/rescued from the factory (no profits to Hasbro), until an official one comes out (profits to Hasbro). There's probably an NDA on upcoming toys until Hasbro gives the OK, but customer service reps probably one of the last people who get informed about releases until they matter (there will only be complaints/inquiries about a toy after they ship out, etc).

But on the other side...

There could be a factory making unofficial toys, but then how come their quality matches Hasbro's? The only "complaints" I see about :muffin: Pony's quality are dirt and missing hairplugs. Most fakies have thin plastic, really weak hair, poor-quality paint, warped/shrunken molds, etc. If she's just a fakie, how come all of a sudden did the quality get so good?

I still think she's real.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Snapdragon on April 12, 2012, 05:40:58 PM
Hasbro custom service line...yup, that sure sounds reliable! XP

Didn't you hear? The US won't be getting blind bags! They said so! ;)
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Malicieuse on April 12, 2012, 05:41:50 PM
Hasbro custom service line...yup, that sure sounds reliable! XP

Didn't you hear? The US won't be getting blind bags! They said so! ;)

Celestia will NEVER be white!
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: knitgirl on April 12, 2012, 05:43:27 PM
They should have :muffin: Pony as ring bearer in the wedding.  That would be awesome.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: CrystalCrown on April 12, 2012, 05:47:12 PM
i wouldn't rely on hasbro's customer service, since they don't always give out correct information.
but if they are right... not that i think they are, but... well thats a suspiciously large amount of VERY convincing customs..
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: teresat on April 12, 2012, 05:49:08 PM
Well I think the ones shown at the toy fair are a different case entirely XD When G4s first came out did any of them first show up in Tao before the toy fair? Like I said it was just something I figured with recent releases (in other words, my opinion on it :) So I could be completely wrong)

I agree. ToyFair ponies are a different case!

Not sure about Taobao but I did look at the old Toy Fair pics and didn't see many of the eventually-released ponies. I was surprised at the number of upcoming ponies they revealed this year. Does that mean they didn't reveal even more upcoming ponies? I'd like to think so! XD

Post Merge: April 12, 2012, 05:49:31 PM

i wouldn't rely on hasbro's customer service, since they don't always give out correct information.
but if they are right... not that i think they are, but... well thats a suspiciously large amount of VERY convincing customs..

Agreed!!!

Post Merge: April 12, 2012, 05:52:20 PM


Didn't you hear? The US won't be getting blind bags! They said so! ;)

Celestia will NEVER be white!

Ha ha ha!
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on April 12, 2012, 06:06:26 PM
I don't doubt she is probably a prototype. However, I doubt hasbro really makes much money from the prototypes too. Mostly the sellers do so it is possible someone behind the scenes decided there should have been one and made some knowing that character has a huge fan base. Who knows, she might at some point will become a pony at some point. All we can do is see.

I do know one thing, we've -seen- some ponies show up on Tao and have yet to see official releases *coughmintycough* The only official release of her was the blind bag pony :| Though I think she's been the only one so far.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: banditpony on April 12, 2012, 06:28:36 PM
This does not confirm anything.

As of this time, this is not an official Hasbro product.

They aren't going to say "Yes, this pony is real and we are going to release it on this date". To be honest, I doubt that customer service even has access to that information. They probably look at the list of "official released" ponies and see that it's not on the list.

It is my personal belief that the limited production we see of :muffin: Pony came from a corporate decision.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Ringlets on April 12, 2012, 06:36:11 PM
TBH I dont think she is a fake either - I vote for prototypes   ;) 
... although I dont know if Hasbro will risk actually making them officially now after all the problems they had with this particular character :awake:
Hasbro custom service line...yup, that sure sounds reliable! XP

Didn't you hear? The US won't be getting blind bags! They said so! ;)

Celestia will NEVER be white!

ROFL!! :lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao:
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Stormy31685 on April 12, 2012, 06:38:40 PM
Hmmmm...

Sounds like a typical response to me for a company facing serious legal consequences if a "retarded" pony character actually were slated for production.

To me, that statement means absolutely nothing.

It actually appears to me to be more like Hasbro is attempting to abandon ownership of :muffin: Pony due to all the controversy over her character...
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: ShortyBoo on April 12, 2012, 06:42:22 PM
I really doubt she's fake. Plus, I don't trust what Hasbro's customer service reps say anymore. Like remember how they said we'd never get the blind bags in the US? I'm pretty sure they either don't know anything, or they're told to pretend they don't know anything or to flat out lie. If they weren't ready to announce the release of :muffin: Pony, they wouldn't confirm it's real. Just like when video games get leaked before the official announcement, they pretend they don't exist. I'm sure it's the same with toys.

My guess is :muffin: Pony is some kind of special release, so either she'll be available at TRU with the other TRU exclusives that are made for the adult fans of the show (like Zecora or the pack with the background ponies) or she'll end up being the Comic Con pony this year, which makes sense that they wouldn't want her announced yet. Usually the Comic Con releases aren't announced until closer to Comic Con. While I'm sure the fair pony will stay a G3, I think with the amount of bronies at Comic Con, it would make more sense for the SDCC pony to be a Styling size G4. And who better to be first, than :muffin: Pony?
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: teresat on April 12, 2012, 06:44:42 PM
This is an interesting entry on a blog.
http://equestriamlp.livejournal.com/319453.html (http://equestriamlp.livejournal.com/319453.html)

I find the wording interesting. Like someone on the site pointed out, they may not call it :muffin: Pony but something else instead. Makes me even more hopeful!
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Elisto on April 12, 2012, 07:12:32 PM
I would be surprised if this were a real prototype because :muffin: Pony/Ditzy is a background character and all the Fashion Style ponies are main characters. No matter how popular she may be with some fans, releasing background characters as a special size toy doesn't seem to be how Hasbro does things, especially when there are still other less controversial, more developed characters they could make in that size, like Trixie, Cheerilee, Zecora, the Wonderbolts, etc.

I also don't think it would be too hard for someone at the factory to make a few of these. Mixing an off-color of plastic isn't uncommon at other plastic factories from what I understand, and her eyes probably wouldn't be too difficult given how off the normal eyes can be if the pony's not set it place correctly for painting. The only thing that seems too difficult to not be legitimate is her cutie mark since it seems like they'd have to have made something separate just for this one. But I don't know how they're designed/printed on the pony, so it may not be as difficult as it seems.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: saply on April 12, 2012, 07:16:34 PM
She's an awesome fake then! I'm glad I can actually get her wet to style her hair, which I couldn't do with a custom. That makes her worth the price to me :D
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: LadyMoondancer on April 12, 2012, 07:20:38 PM
Hasbro custom service line...yup, that sure sounds reliable! XP

Didn't you hear? The US won't be getting blind bags! They said so! ;)

Celestia will NEVER be white!


LOL!


Seriously though, Hasbro's customer service is notorious for being wrong.  (Remember them saying  all the G3 Season ponies would come to the US?)   The people writing those emails are not the people who actually DESIGN or WORK ON the toylines.  They are people who ONLY work customer service.  And basically they only know about what toys are currently available.


I will never forget someone e-mailing Hasbro in the 90s, after the G2 line had stopped in the US but before G3 started.  This collector asked Hasbro something or other about My Little Pony and got the response back:


"Hasbro no longer makes Littlest Pet Shop . . ."
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Bergamot on April 12, 2012, 07:26:32 PM
I think it's been said, but Hasbro's response isn't at all conclusive. If it is a future release, they wouldn't be forthcoming with that information at all. ;)
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: MoongazerThePony on April 12, 2012, 07:29:32 PM
Waghhh, she was too cute to be fake!
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Rhini on April 12, 2012, 07:47:19 PM
Hasbro custom service line...yup, that sure sounds reliable! XP

Didn't you hear? The US won't be getting blind bags! They said so! ;)

Celestia will NEVER be white!

Our products are for little girls, we will never cater to an adult male fan base!


Okay yeah seriously there is nooo way I would trust anything they say xD. I really think even calling these people "reps" is a pretty large stretch. At best, they are customer service representatives who are given a booklet to handle consumer complaints, definitely not people involved in production of any kind. Even the real reps, who try and sell product to stores, are often terribly out of the loop. I know because I work for a similar company, and would never trust something a rep told me, much less a customer service person.


I didn't give up hope on the blind bags, and now I them in every TRU and Walmart there is! I won't give up hope on this either.  ;)
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: ShannonInPonyland on April 12, 2012, 08:09:46 PM
I still think she's adorable. I would buy her even if she is a fake  :)
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Snapdragon on April 12, 2012, 08:10:02 PM
Hasbro custom service line...yup, that sure sounds reliable! XP

Didn't you hear? The US won't be getting blind bags! They said so! ;)

Celestia will NEVER be white!

Our products are for little girls, we will never cater to an adult male fan base!

I certainly hope not! :P
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: MrPony on April 12, 2012, 08:15:04 PM
Equestria daily  has always been quick to think everything from taobao is fake. They are not toy collectors or toy designers. I am 100% positive that is a factory made pony. And no, it`s not possible that some sneaky factory worker got together and made a few :muffin: Pony`s for the hec of it :)
 She was made. She is real. The only question here is will she be released? And where?
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: xeevee on April 12, 2012, 08:27:17 PM
I still don't believe them.  Honestly, why would a person in China make customs to sell in China, when people in China don't buy ponies, and would have no idea who this character is.   I'd say it was either a prototype they changed their mind about or it is still going to be released.  Either way, I say real.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Elisto on April 12, 2012, 08:35:53 PM
Maybe someone in a factory there thought they would try to make some and try to sell to the US on their own? I don't know, I doubt no one there would have any idea or any way of finding out what people outside China might like, especially with all the non-Chinese buying from Taobao recently.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: ThriftyPony on April 12, 2012, 08:42:58 PM
Hmmmm...

Sounds like a typical response to me for a company facing serious legal consequences if a "retarded" pony character actually were slated for production.

To me, that statement means absolutely nothing.

It actually appears to me to be more like Hasbro is attempting to abandon ownership of :muffin: Pony due to all the controversy over her character...

I agree. It stinks because I don't think it was their intention to have a "retarded" pony, but more so silly. :/ They probably just don't want to deal with a backlash over it. All it takes is for someone to write a negative blog or tweet and it would take off like wildfire, whether true or not.

I wish they'd sell her for real. :/
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: saply on April 12, 2012, 09:01:45 PM
I still don't believe them.  Honestly, why would a person in China make customs to sell in China, when people in China don't buy ponies, and would have no idea who this character is.
To bling out their iPads with, obviously.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Rhini on April 12, 2012, 09:24:06 PM
I still don't believe them.  Honestly, why would a person in China make customs to sell in China, when people in China don't buy ponies, and would have no idea who this character is.
To bling out their iPads with, obviously.
bahaha xD They're going to make a massive keychain out of her
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: babystarz on April 12, 2012, 09:33:08 PM
Maybe someone in a factory there thought they would try to make some and try to sell to the US on their own? I don't know, I doubt no one there would have any idea or any way of finding out what people outside China might like, especially with all the non-Chinese buying from Taobao recently.

But they didn't sell to anyone in the US :) Taobao sellers only sell in China. The pony collectors have to hook up with agents located in China who charge a 10% fee to deal with the Taobao sellers, then ship the items to the U.S. That's why it's so expensive and people go in for bulk orders a lot. The initial price on Taobao is super cheap, so the person selling them on Taobao isn't making that much money. I mean, it's a decent amount in China but nothing compared to what they're going for on eBay in USD. A Chinese worker would not risk making 14 :muffin: Pony's because being fired for unauthorized use of factory equipment and resources wouldn't be worth it. Besides, the :muffin: Ponies were not priced any higher than the normal, already released FS ponies on Taobao from the same seller. The seller had no idea that they were special, or that the "Relestia" type ponies or the non-glittery Lunas and Celestias were special. They were all less than $10 USD each. I believe 100% that this wasn't a rogue design or anything like that because Twilight Sparkle and Rainbow Dash were being sold in the same batch.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Chi on April 12, 2012, 10:00:16 PM
Actually, they were all being sold in price ranges from 32 to 48 Chinese Yuan. :muffin: Pony was the highest priced pony out of the lot at 48.
I can't say whether the seller was the one who made it, if it was someone selling somebody elses creation or a factory prototype/reject, but they knew that she had the highest value for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: BrightIdea on April 12, 2012, 10:23:21 PM
Ha, of course Hasbro representatives are not going to say an unreleased product is theirs. They probably know nothing about it. If they say "yes that is an official :muffin: Pony" I think they would get in big trouble with Hasbro HQ.


Well, if the eyes and and cutie marks are fake, maybe Lily Blossom is coming out! Yay!
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: scarletjul on April 12, 2012, 10:28:02 PM
Hasbro custom service line...yup, that sure sounds reliable! XP

Didn't you hear? The US won't be getting blind bags! They said so! ;)

Celestia will NEVER be white!

Our products are for little girls, we will never cater to an adult male fan base!

I certainly hope not! :P

LOL!  :)

And Hasbro has no plans to release any boy ponies, either.  :silly:

I'm voting more on prototype than fakie either with :muffin: Pony/Ditzy Doo.  She seems too elaborate to be a hoax and Hasbro has been known to tell us things that turn out not to be true later down the line.  Since she's a popular brony character but not a main character, I could see her being released as a fair or comic-con pony down the line.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: babystarz on April 12, 2012, 10:39:03 PM
Actually, they were all being sold in price ranges from 32 to 48 Chinese Yuan. :muffin: Pony was the highest priced pony out of the lot at 48.
I can't say whether the seller was the one who made it, if it was someone selling somebody elses creation or a factory prototype/reject, but they knew that she had the highest value for whatever reason.
Oh my bad, I guess they were differently priced. But that still only works out to only 5.08-$7.62 in USD. So, half the retail price of normal Fashion Style ponies at most. The high cost comes from the shipping and agent fee, not the payment to whoever got the pony out of the factory/put the pony on Taobao.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: moonflower on April 12, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
I still reckon they were made by Hasbro, but just not an official released product.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Sarah-Bee on April 13, 2012, 02:06:34 AM
I agree that this info doesn't actually confirm anything and regardless, I have a :muffin: Pony and she's definitely come from the Hasbro factory, I can just tell ;) So regardless of what is to become of her in terms of releases or if she was made by some random person in the factory because they heard fans wanted her, I don't have any regrets getting her :)
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: mlpfan on April 13, 2012, 04:23:24 AM
BUMMER!
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Roogna on April 13, 2012, 05:15:22 AM
the US Hasbro had to have "nirvana" explained to them for the upcoming Fair....so it's possible these are being made in/for another country
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Elisto on April 13, 2012, 05:35:49 AM
I don't doubt that the representative wouldn't know anything about this, but still, it just doesn't make any sense to me that it'd be real, made in the factory or not. Especially with all the bootleg stuff that comes out of China. The fact is, she is being sold to the US and collectors in other countries, even if not directly.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: BerryMouse on April 13, 2012, 05:45:38 AM
But really - when she's a bootleg or fakie, then why :muffin: Pony??

Wouldn't they create an Pinkie Pie or something like that?
I mean there are AJ & Rarity fakies out there but these are mane 6 - so why :muffin: Pony?

I don't think she's a fake - prolly a prototype.

Yah hasbro knows nothing about their own products (same with the G3 breast cancer pony).... bla
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on April 13, 2012, 05:53:56 AM
Hasbro custom service line...yup, that sure sounds reliable! XP

Didn't you hear? The US won't be getting blind bags! They said so! ;)

Celestia will NEVER be white!

Our products are for little girls, we will never cater to an adult male fan base!

I certainly hope not! :P

LOL!  :)

And Hasbro has no plans to release any boy ponies, either.  :silly:

I'm voting more on prototype than fakie either with :muffin: Pony/Ditzy Doo.  She seems too elaborate to be a hoax and Hasbro has been known to tell us things that turn out not to be true later down the line.  Since she's a popular brony character but not a main character, I could see her being released as a fair or comic-con pony down the line.
I don't actually recall Hasbro ever saying this and that won't happen XD They really are not allowed to truly say what will or will not come out, and yes even reps will be in the dark on a lot of things. I do have to agree with Elisto though. Factory or not I'm with holding my judgement on if she is or is not going to be official. As for her being a comic con pony, I kind of doubt it since from what I've seen the comic con ponies/event ponies haven't been a character from the line :huh:

Post Merge: April 13, 2012, 05:55:24 AM

But really - when she's a bootleg or fakie, then why :muffin: Pony??

Wouldn't they create an Pinkie Pie or something like that?
I mean there are AJ & Rarity fakies out there but these are mane 6 - so why :muffin: Pony?

I don't think she's a fake - prolly a prototype.

Yah hasbro knows nothing about their own products (same with the G3 breast cancer pony).... bla

Probably because she really has a huge following? Who knows what the factory people think >.> This is all really just speculation :|
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: apanda0622 on April 13, 2012, 09:12:00 AM
Um I don't know if I would trust Hasbro Customer Service.  I don't think they really have information on prototypes from factories in China.  And I bet they don't even know what a :muffin: Pony Hooves is.
 
 I personally think it is a legit prototype and I have hope it will be made.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Bee-chan on April 13, 2012, 10:29:54 AM
*Cries!!!*

I really want one, but I don't have $200 to spend :-(  I'd make a custom but I'm not good at doing the full body repaints :-(

Dunno if you're interested but there is a custom FS :muffin: Pony for sale on eBay at the moment, bidding price starting under $100 and BIN price is $100 US. She even comes with a little mail bag... $100 is still a bit high but it's cheaper than the ones coming from people who got her from TaoBao.
I'd nab her myself but I still hold out the hope that she will be a legit release one day and I only ever buy G4 ponies MIB, if she's never genuine I'll just sigh and move on.
(ebay listing 'Giant 15 cm Styling Size :muffin: Pony HOOVES')


Also, could it possibly be because of all the wedding stuff that ponies haven't appeared as legit releases. She might be scheduled to release after all the hype over the wedding stuff has died down.
I don't know what to think anymore but I'm still fingers crossed!

That's Kara Red Roses' custom :muffin: Pony! ^W^

Actually, $100 is a great price for a well made custom, especially from Kar ( I WILL own one of her suagr skull ponies one day! I already happily own one of her giant shrunken pony heads and have it hanging on my door frame ).
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: xkappax on April 13, 2012, 10:41:00 AM
I read the article on Equestria Daily this morning, and Hasbro's response reminds me a lot of what video game companies say when something from an upcoming game gets leaked that isn't supposed to be available to the public yet...

In the video game industry, there is something called NDA (non disclosure agreement) ... if you're working on a video game that hasn't been announced to the public yet, you get in BIIIIIIIG trouble if you leak something. And sometimes you don't just get fired. Sometimes you just get sued.

I would imagine that toy companies probably have a similar agreement. If something gets leaked by one of the chinese factories, and someone asks about it, they legally CANNOT say if it's real or not until the NDA is lifted. So the response that was posted over at EQd is pretty much what anyone who asks is going to get.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: JoshsPonyPrincess on April 13, 2012, 10:44:31 AM
One - I don't think the person who answers the phone would know if it were a real release or not. Generally in a corporation of that size the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. ALso the person answering the phone goes off of a script - if someone mentions something not on the script they say that bs line that they always say. Also the person answering the phone gets paid to answer the phone - that's all.

Two - About the uproar about :muffin: Pony being mentally incompetant or ditzy. Doesn't anyone remember Dopey from the seven dwarves? This was a character that was portrayed as stupid and was accepted by all types of people with open arms. It is probably the most popular seven dwarf character there is.

I am sure she will be released it is just a matter of when and where really.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: rtattles on April 13, 2012, 10:48:27 AM
I'm skeptical about Hasbro's response too. Did the guy mean simply nope it's not a legit product- full stop, never ever - or did he mean it's not a product because he got the MLP department to flip the catalogue and it is not one of the ponies listed for this season of release?
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: bladed on April 13, 2012, 11:09:53 AM
Dun' care. Want :muffin: Pony!
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on April 13, 2012, 11:15:54 AM
One - I don't think the person who answers the phone would know if it were a real release or not. Generally in a corporation of that size the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. ALso the person answering the phone goes off of a script - if someone mentions something not on the script they say that bs line that they always say. Also the person answering the phone gets paid to answer the phone - that's all.

Two - About the uproar about :muffin: Pony being mentally incompetant or ditzy. Doesn't anyone remember Dopey from the seven dwarves? This was a character that was portrayed as stupid and was accepted by all types of people with open arms. It is probably the most popular seven dwarf character there is.

I am sure she will be released it is just a matter of when and where really.
What she said. Pretty much this is a case of where they should have said 'I'm not permitted to say this or that' kind of thing but yes they follow whatever script they are given and those who answer the emails are giving instruction on what to give for an answer... generally it can be another form of a script answer. Either way, I wouldn't say the rep was wrong or right, they are just doing their job really.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Cool.Breeze on April 13, 2012, 11:37:12 AM
Actually, they were all being sold in price ranges from 32 to 48 Chinese Yuan. :muffin: Pony was the highest priced pony out of the lot at 48.
I can't say whether the seller was the one who made it, if it was someone selling somebody elses creation or a factory prototype/reject, but they knew that she had the highest value for whatever reason.

:muffin: Pony was cheaper than Celestia when I ordered them. In the right hand ride of my screen-cap of my order form for Taobao Spree, Top item "灰蓝色飞马 气泡" 大号" is (according to Babelfish) " Cold color Chonma air bubble " Large size (:muffin: Pony) and 2nd item "白色独角兽飞马 太阳图" 大号" is (also according to Babelfish) " White unicorn Chonma sun chart " Large size (Celestia). :muffin: Pony was only $5.55 Canadian compared to Celestia at $7.60 Canadian. Also- people seem to think there were only 14 listed. There were actually 22 when I found the listing, with 3 already sold that I could see in the history.
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Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Chi on April 13, 2012, 11:54:50 AM
Actually, they were all being sold in price ranges from 32 to 48 Chinese Yuan. :muffin: Pony was the highest priced pony out of the lot at 48.
I can't say whether the seller was the one who made it, if it was someone selling somebody elses creation or a factory prototype/reject, but they knew that she had the highest value for whatever reason.

:muffin: Pony was cheaper than Celestia when I ordered them. In the right hand ride of my screen-cap of my order form for Taobao Spree, Top item "灰蓝色飞马 气泡" 大号" is (according to Babelfish) " Cold color Chonma air bubble " Large size (:muffin: Pony) and 2nd item "白色独角兽飞马 太阳图" 大号" is (also according to Babelfish) " White unicorn Chonma sun chart " Large size (Celestia). :muffin: Pony was only $5.55 Canadian compared to Celestia at $7.60 Canadian. Also- people seem to think there were only 14 listed. There were actually 22 when I found the listing, with 3 already sold that I could see in the history.
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Oh, how strange! Mine was listed at the price of 48.
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Looks like either you got a good deal or I got the priced upped on me. XD
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Elisto on April 13, 2012, 12:26:13 PM
Because I'm curious, if it's a prototype, is it normal to make more than a few? I honestly have no idea.

Also, I'm suspicious of the legality of Taobao to begin with, whether they are selling prototypes or factory-customs, I hope asking Hasbro about it directly doesn't result it problems for everyone. Personally, I wouldn't have risked it and asked at all. As for the selling price, from what I understand, the average salary of a Chinese factory worker is under $1/hour, so $5-8 for one toy is quite a lot.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Tropical_Sunset on April 13, 2012, 01:01:45 PM
I am not taking what Hasbro says at face value. They often give people the runaround with information they are not allowed to give out. Namely the blind bags before they showed up in the US. People were told we were getting them, then told Hasbro didn't know what they were talking about.. then they weren't coming out here at all.. then they showed up in the US.

This, exactly.  XD 
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: banditpony on April 13, 2012, 03:04:36 PM
Because I'm curious, if it's a prototype, is it normal to make more than a few? I honestly have no idea.

Also, I'm suspicious of the legality of Taobao to begin with, whether they are selling prototypes or factory-customs, I hope asking Hasbro about it directly doesn't result it problems for everyone. Personally, I wouldn't have risked it and asked at all. As for the selling price, from what I understand, the average salary of a Chinese factory worker is under $1/hour, so $5-8 for one toy is quite a lot.

We will never know the answer to this. But I really maintain the belief that it was a corporate order.  They have to mix dye for the pony, have to make decals for the symbol, eye color, etc etc.

Also I doubt it would be the average Chinese worker would be the ones selling. (I am sure they work long hours and have no internet, among other terrible things), but more some sort of supervisor.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Elisto on April 13, 2012, 05:03:16 PM
Also I doubt it would be the average Chinese worker would be the ones selling. (I am sure they work long hours and have no internet, among other terrible things), but more some sort of supervisor.
That is a good point
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Starbright on April 13, 2012, 05:36:22 PM
I don't buy it. It's a prototype and they're trying to keep it quiet, I think.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Eternia on April 13, 2012, 05:39:53 PM
I don't buy it. It's a prototype and they're trying to keep it quiet, I think.
eeeeeyup

Hasbro reps don't know jack. "the US will not get blind bags" "We will never make a white Celestia" riiiiiiiight
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: lilgryphon on April 13, 2012, 06:44:20 PM
I find it interesting that every seems so convinced that none of these ponies could be fakes. There are fake electronics, jewlery and designer clothing (some of it VERY convincing) all over the web. I'm not saying these aren't prototypes, but I have to admit I feel like we want to believe they are real because they are ponies we can't find on the shelves.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: MrPony on April 17, 2012, 11:29:31 PM
  She is not fake. That would make her the first original fashion style fake that is perfectly cartoon accurate. Hasbro wanted her to be a surprise and I personally wish she was kept that way.

:muffin: Pony/ Ditsy Doo/ Bubble Cup is a limited release. If she is not for Comic-Con (which i`m 99% positive she is.) then she was already dolled out to vendors and will be a store exclusive. So toys r us or target. Thinking about it Target does not have a broney pony? Does Toy r us have a monopoly on broney items?
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: gemini_pony on April 17, 2012, 11:47:10 PM
Well I hope your right I would be crushed if i missed her :c
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Tulips on April 17, 2012, 11:50:49 PM
If this is true I will continue hating on Hasbro, there is very little chance I will ever acquire her as a limited release at a con or in store because it's hard enough to find normal release ponies in Australia.
Hasbro has to get with the times with an online store that sells and ships worldwide (you can't even buy ponies online from Hasbro Australia), they are hardly catering to their adult fan-base who they logically should since we have more money to spend than little kids begging their parents, lol.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: moonflower on April 18, 2012, 01:18:44 AM
She is such an oddity that I doubt she will get a store release. She is either bound to be an exclusive or Hasbro has halted production due to the complaints.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Malicieuse on April 18, 2012, 02:27:00 AM
If this is true I will continue hating on Hasbro, there is very little chance I will ever acquire her as a limited release at a con or in store because it's hard enough to find normal release ponies in Australia.
Hasbro has to get with the times with an online store that sells and ships worldwide (you can't even buy ponies online from Hasbro Australia), they are hardly catering to their adult fan-base who they logically should since we have more money to spend than little kids begging their parents, lol.

But there are a lot more little girls than adults.
And from what i have seen , a lot of bronies don't really collect. Either way, during the whole wedding event Hasbro mentioned they will have more "brony themed" items in the future. More than just that pack with nightmare moon and such.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Tulips on April 18, 2012, 02:42:43 AM
Yeah, there's more little girls than adults but I wonder if collectors (not just bronies but those who also enjoy G4, this is beyond just :muffin: Pony and into availability of all products) don't have more disposable income combined than parents are willing to spend on ponies. And with G4 ponies already showing up in thrift stores (and on eBay in pony lots that parents are selling because children don't play with them anymore) then that's a case for kids always wanting more and discarding quickly, and I know for a fact that my parents were really strict about buying me toys or even allowing me to purchase with pocket money, there is a point that the parents say 'no more ponies'... I can't speak for all collectors but nobody can tell me 'no more ponies' :P
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Wardah on April 18, 2012, 07:08:05 AM
I can't speak for all collectors but nobody can tell me 'no more ponies' :P

Sadly my wallet often tells me "no more ponies for now". As an adult I have more financial responsibilities and they eat my money all up.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: LadyMoondancer on April 18, 2012, 07:47:11 AM
:muffin: Pony/ Ditsy Doo/ Bubble Cup is a limited release. If she is not for Comic-Con (which i`m 99% positive she is.)

Yes, my thoughts were also going to ComicCon. I don't think Hasbro is being deliberately misleading, though, I think it's more a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand's doing.

Even if she's never mass released, that doesn't mean she wasn't "real".   The Breast Cancer Awareness G3 ponies never made it to the stores, but they were definitely legitimate.   I have NEVER seen a fakie so perfect that it could pass as a Hasbro pony to collector's "in the know", even ones in Hasbro molds.  I am convinced this pegasus is the real deal.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: teresat on April 18, 2012, 07:54:54 AM
Yes, but as parents, they have the final say in what toys kids get. So Hasbro would do well to remember that no matter what, they are marketing to adults. There are many toys that I have said "no!" to because we (Mom and/or Dad) don't like them. I then proceed to distract the kids with the toys they do have.

I keep reading the ":muffin: Pony Controversy" information. How many people actually complained that caused the uproar? Lots of people complain about so many things and nothing is done about the complaints.

Post Merge: April 18, 2012, 07:57:15 AM

:muffin: Pony/ Ditsy Doo/ Bubble Cup is a limited release. If she is not for Comic-Con (which i`m 99% positive she is.)

Yes, my thoughts were also going to ComicCon. I don't think Hasbro is being deliberately misleading, though, I think it's more a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand's doing.

Even if she's never mass released, that doesn't mean she wasn't "real".   The Breast Cancer Awareness G3 ponies never made it to the stores, but they were definitely legitimate.   I have NEVER seen a fakie so perfect that it could pass as a Hasbro pony to collector's "in the know", even ones in Hasbro molds.  I am convinced this pegasus is the real deal.

I don't think deliberately misleading. I just saw missing words in the statements made by Hasbro CS. Like that :muffin: Pony was
"not a [current] Hasbro product."
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Mandy85 on April 18, 2012, 08:33:30 AM
I'm in the camp that thinks she is going to be out eventually but that the rep is going by company policy in saying the pony "in the link provided" is not an official product. I mean, technically Hasbro may consider all Taobao MLP's illegitimate, confirmed products and non, as the ones being sold in this manner are usually factory rejects, test runs, or items that were just taken before they were intended to hit the market. Even though the pony community may see things differently, it would make sense if Hasbro refuses to recognize them, as these individuals likely weren't meant to be released to the public.

":muffin: Pony" may still be coming out, but products are always subject to change in some respect, and her release and information surrounding it probably hasn't been hammered out in an official capacity just yet. In the past I've asked toy companies questions about products that I was positive were coming out and I would usually receive runaround answers that would make someone who didn't know any better think said items weren't planned or cancelled. They may also be going by what products are out officially, and if she has yet to be released, then the rep may have no real way to know if the product will be coming out or when, or even be at liberty to say.

Anyway, I wouldn't panic just yet. :)
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Trinity on April 18, 2012, 09:29:25 PM
If this is true I will continue hating on Hasbro, there is very little chance I will ever acquire her as a limited release at a con or in store because it's hard enough to find normal release ponies in Australia.
Hasbro has to get with the times with an online store that sells and ships worldwide (you can't even buy ponies online from Hasbro Australia), they are hardly catering to their adult fan-base who they logically should since we have more money to spend than little kids begging their parents, lol.

Huh? I get plenty of ponies (in quantity and variety) in my area!

I'm thinking the Hasbro representative said "this is not a Hasbro product". What they meant to say was "this is not a Hasbro product YET": As it is not officially on any distributor catalogs yet. :)
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Tulips on April 19, 2012, 12:15:18 AM
If this is true I will continue hating on Hasbro, there is very little chance I will ever acquire her as a limited release at a con or in store because it's hard enough to find normal release ponies in Australia.
Hasbro has to get with the times with an online store that sells and ships worldwide (you can't even buy ponies online from Hasbro Australia), they are hardly catering to their adult fan-base who they logically should since we have more money to spend than little kids begging their parents, lol.

Huh? I get plenty of ponies (in quantity and variety) in my area!

I'm thinking the Hasbro representative said "this is not a Hasbro product". What they meant to say was "this is not a Hasbro product YET": As it is not officially on any distributor catalogs yet. :)

There hasn't been much variety and the stores have to sell off all their old stock before they'll stock any new G4 stuff. I mean, the train set has appeared in most stores but I've found maybe 2 other types of sets, a handful of singles, blind bags on one occasion, one celestia, a few newborns (but no spike) and just RD and Pinkie Pie FS in varying supplies... and all of this stock is dwarfed in most of the stores by the huge stock of G3.5 they still have to sell.
Maybe if I stay super up to date on when things are released in Australia I can hunt them down but I doubt :muffin: Pony will be in stores anyway. I much prefer buying online and if Hasbro would allow Australians to buy direct from them online I would worship them lol.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: hathorcat on April 19, 2012, 01:51:21 AM
:muffin: Pony/ Ditsy Doo/ Bubble Cup is a limited release. If she is not for Comic-Con (which i`m 99% positive she is.)

Yes, my thoughts were also going to ComicCon. I don't think Hasbro is being deliberately misleading, though, I think it's more a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand's doing.

Even if she's never mass released, that doesn't mean she wasn't "real".   The Breast Cancer Awareness G3 ponies never made it to the stores, but they were definitely legitimate.   I have NEVER seen a fakie so perfect that it could pass as a Hasbro pony to collector's "in the know", even ones in Hasbro molds.  I am convinced this pegasus is the real deal.

^This Lady Moondancer sums it up perfectly...no one but the "higher ups" in Hasbro are going to know their marketing and production strategy for the year - its certainly not a question thats going to be answered via email to someone unknown.

With the world a much more accessible place - i.e. we can directly buy from Chinese sellers via Taobao, we can all chatter on the Arena about ponies - and collectors spread so far over the globe, the odds are good that with G4 we are so much more likely to get access to "test", "prototype", "flawed/discarded" ponies than ever before. With G3 we have seen a few ponies make it into collectors hands which never made production [the Breast Cancer ponies, the giant Comic Con and I am sure Stormy has a couple of unique G3s as well] - so the changes are even I would say that its still likely to be a launched/marketed product or that it was a test run that they decided against perhaps due to ":muffin: Pony-Gate"
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Wardah on April 19, 2012, 06:30:20 AM
and all of this stock is dwarfed in most of the stores by the huge stock of G3.5 they still have to sell.

Your stores still have G3.5s? Most of our stores clearanced them out a long time ago.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: ponylady on April 19, 2012, 06:36:47 AM
":muffin: Pony-Gate"  :lmao:
 
Cat you kill me!
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: xkappax on April 19, 2012, 06:38:37 AM
lol, derpygate, awesome. :)
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: saply on April 19, 2012, 06:49:49 AM
:muffin: Pony-gate lol
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: teresat on April 19, 2012, 09:24:44 AM
<snip>
With the world a much more accessible place - i.e. we can directly buy from Chinese sellers via Taobao, we can all chatter on the Arena about ponies - and collectors spread so far over the globe, the odds are good that with G4 we are so much more likely to get access to "test", "prototype", "flawed/discarded" ponies than ever before.

This has become harder since someone emailed the :muffin: Pony link to Hasbro. The seller who had the new TRU exclusives is no longer selling any ponies. Another seller removed all of the prototypes.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: xkappax on April 19, 2012, 09:25:48 AM
That really stinks! :( Way to go person who emailed hasbro. :(
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: LadyMoondancer on April 19, 2012, 09:28:13 AM
For heaven's sake.  Why do people run to Hasbro with everything?   Next thing you know someone will be asking "HEY HASBRO, IS IT OKAY TO SELL CUSTOMS ON EBAY?"  And then what happens if they say "No"?

Hasbro is like the fiery eyeball of Sauron, you definitely do not want it gazing in your direction.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: ladybrooklyn on April 19, 2012, 09:44:32 AM
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With the world a much more accessible place - i.e. we can directly buy from Chinese sellers via Taobao, we can all chatter on the Arena about ponies - and collectors spread so far over the globe, the odds are good that with G4 we are so much more likely to get access to "test", "prototype", "flawed/discarded" ponies than ever before.

This has become harder since someone emailed the :muffin: Pony link to Hasbro. The seller who had the new TRU exclusives is no longer selling any ponies. Another seller removed all of the prototypes.

I was wondering about that... Taobao has seemed really "light" on G4 ponies lately.... :sad:

I'd bet Hasbro cracked down on these sellers... and possibly we won't see any more "early" releases.... >.<

Stupid whistle-blowers!!!!
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: teresat on April 19, 2012, 09:46:27 AM
I've gone into hoarding mode with some of the G4s from TaoBao. Prices will become ridiculous on Ebay.

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Hasbro is like the fiery eyeball of Sauron, you definitely do not want it gazing in your direction.

LOL! I almost spit my coffee all over the screen!
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Gingerbread on April 19, 2012, 09:57:36 AM
I was looking on Taobao literally an hour ago, and was wondering where all the newer ponies had gone :(
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Wardah on April 19, 2012, 09:59:41 AM
I understand why they asked since they probably wanted to know if it was real since unfortunately there are people who have nothing better to do than make up fake news, sometimes even going through the trouble of making a custom, just to get famous on the internet. And also China is the land of bootlegs so there is that concern too. Of course they could have just been patient and waited since if it is real they will eventually officially announce it.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: xkappax on April 19, 2012, 10:06:26 AM
Yeah... contacting hasbro about it was not the smartest thing to do.

a. I'm sure hasbro employees are under a non disclosure agreement, so even if it IS real, they're not allowed to say anything. NDAs are SERIOUS business... if one is broken, an employee can get fired or even have legal action taken against them. The only response they could have given legally to the question "is this :muffin: Pony real" is "we have no plans to release this :muffin: Pony" ... until the nda is lifted.

b. by asking this question, now hasbro knows about the taobao stuff, and now they can crack down on it, so yes, no more leaks, no more early stuff.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: hathorcat on April 19, 2012, 12:13:47 PM
Ummmm....apologies in advance for the contradictory opinion and I mean no offence....but Chinese sellers dont tend to listen when giant American corporations start laying down the law [even when same corporation is such a large buyer]...Fake Apple shops anyone? And check out some of the other manufacturers whose products are widely available on Taobao...

These big corporations know these places exist - they know these websites are out there...

Yes, maybe some factories may have reigned in on security after perhaps a little ticking off from Hasbro but more leaks will happen in the future again...no doubt...

I would suspect the "lack" of newer ponies on Taobao recently is more down to the increased volume of us pony peeps buying there...its gone from a handful to a lot...you just have to check out ebay to see how many people are buying and selling.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Chi on April 19, 2012, 12:28:59 PM
The store I had bookmarked on Taobao still has ponies in stock, but another one doesn't. However, they do still have Hasbro products for sale. Sellers in China know what they're doing and who they are up against so I doubt they would listen to the corporation when asked to remove their products. Since it would most likely be the American branches of Hasbro asking them to do so, rather than any from China, they don't really feel a sense of urgency to remove their items from public sale. I've noticed a HUGE increase in Taobao items being sold on eBay since the whole :muffin: Pony thing, so it seems that since people now know how simple it is to buy from there, they're doing so more often.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Flitter on April 19, 2012, 01:02:38 PM
I am positive Hasbro knew about Taobao before this
and of course they wouldn't confirm a product that has not been officially released (and is very likely being illegitimately sold.) ...



Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: teresat on April 19, 2012, 01:09:22 PM
I just thought it was too coincidental that just after ":muffin: Pony-gate" broke, a bunch of prototype and not-yet released ponies disappeared. There are many ponies still there.  But most if not all have already been released. :(
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: StoryDreamer on April 19, 2012, 01:57:04 PM
For heaven's sake.  Why do people run to Hasbro with everything?   Next thing you know someone will be asking "HEY HASBRO, IS IT OKAY TO SELL CUSTOMS ON EBAY?"  And then what happens if they say "No"?

Hasbro is like the fiery eyeball of Sauron, you definitely do not want it gazing in your direction.

Hahaha!  Word. Plus IT'S HASBRO.  How many years have pony collectors been disappointed with Hasbro?! It kind of annoys me that people are getting all in a snit that Hasbro isn't making their favorite pony from FiM after old collectors spent years feeling the shaft from Hasbro, and now Hasbro is very Fair-friendly, etc.

I'm sure she's not released YET. I'm sure she's coming.


And absolutely those employees are under a NDA. If they weren't, think about how many ponies and other hot toys could be leaked daily?
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Bunny-san on April 19, 2012, 02:10:06 PM
Eh, I'm apt to believe that nothing you see on Tao Bao is really legitimately Hasbro's until it hit's the store shelves here in the USA. And if it IS really a prototype, do you honestly think they'll say "Oh yeah, that's totally the new :muffin: Pony prototype we're working on. What do you think?" No. They'll deny existence until they can show it off in an official capacity. That's how the industry works. Honestly, with all the people who LOVE :muffin: Pony, they'd be absolute fools NOT to go through with the production of this toy. They'd sell a million of 'em. I'd buy five and hang them from my ceiling so I could have a flying :muffin: Pony ARMY. And my room would be win.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Blitzn on May 08, 2012, 05:25:55 PM
It looks good quality, but could very well be a fakie. I have tons of fakies, some of which are good quality.  If so, that's the most I have ever seen a fakie sell for.

But I wouldn't be surprised if it's another reject or something leaked out of the factory. Beciase I also have "prototypes" from ebay that I am pretty sure aren't fakies.

Either way there could be more popping up on ebay soon. Luckily I don't care for G4s.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: kamakazee82 on May 08, 2012, 06:09:30 PM
while the chinese sellers may not give a snit what hasbro screams a bout ... if hasbro cracked down on their manufacturing plants it's VERY possible that known "leakers", "sellers", and "noon-time modifiers" were cracked down upon and fired from said manufacturing plants and thus have no more access to their wares and making it less likely that others will risk the chance of having their butts handed to them ... that's my concern ... and mayhaps that hasbro is tightening it's deathgrip on any workers that have access to things like that and keeping tabs on numbers of what's made/what's distroyed and who was where when something went missing ...
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Iceglider on May 08, 2012, 07:09:10 PM
They make fake iphones and rolexes and everything else. Why not a pony? Especially if you can sell them on Ebay for $300 each. I'm not saying it can't be a Hasbro leaked factory product, but it could be a boot-leg pony. Though Hasbro customer service probably doesn't even know what is in production, all they probably know is what is on shelves in the US. It is hard to even get them to answer distribution questions. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: kamakazee82 on May 08, 2012, 07:22:50 PM
the right hand often has no idea what the left hand is doing lol "customer service" isn't distribution, distribution isn't production, production isn't "customer service" ... customer ervice doesn't know what distribution is because it depends on so many things they have no access to (what store's warehousses have ordered, what those stores have actually sold through, if those will need to reorder whent he new product is available or wait til the next round, etc) distribution doesn't know what customer service is doing, because they fill the orders with what the store orders when it's available (they most likely don't even KNOW what assortment is what, they match numbers, fill pallets, ship out, wash, rinse, repeat, etc), production just makes the crap their told to make, they don't know WHAT it is, but they make it, package it, get it the crap out of there so they have room for the next stuff ... and none of them are design/developement, or planning, or packaging, or shipping, or warehousing, or product testing, or pr, or etc etc ... most of the time i doubt if ANYONE at Hasbroken knows what all, or any, pieces of their corporate puzzle are doing at any given time ... :\
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Rhini on May 08, 2012, 07:50:54 PM
the right hand often has no idea what the left hand is doing lol "customer service" isn't distribution, distribution isn't production, production isn't "customer service" ... customer ervice doesn't know what distribution is because it depends on so many things they have no access to (what store's warehousses have ordered, what those stores have actually sold through, if those will need to reorder whent he new product is available or wait til the next round, etc) distribution doesn't know what customer service is doing, because they fill the orders with what the store orders when it's available (they most likely don't even KNOW what assortment is what, they match numbers, fill pallets, ship out, wash, rinse, repeat, etc), production just makes the crap their told to make, they don't know WHAT it is, but they make it, package it, get it the crap out of there so they have room for the next stuff ... and none of them are design/developement, or planning, or packaging, or shipping, or warehousing, or product testing, or pr, or etc etc ... most of the time i doubt if ANYONE at Hasbroken knows what all, or any, pieces of their corporate puzzle are doing at any given time ... :\
That's just kind of how corporations work in general. Any time you compartmentalize/specialize/outsource production, you run the risk of losing communication.

Personally I think there's no way she's a fakie, and is most definitely a prototype. Sure there are some okay fakies but never have I seen one with an official mark or as convincing as this one, there's always something noticeably off about them.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: hikari_amaya on May 09, 2012, 12:16:35 AM
Honestly they could be possibly NOT allowed to inform the public about future prototypes or future lines. I know where I work I'm not allowed to talk about certian things with people outside the company and that includes giveaways a seperate department holds, which we occasionally host. Honestly I dont think :muffin: Pony is a fake, I think they cant disclose any info on her.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: StoryDreamer on May 09, 2012, 09:58:34 AM
True. They said the link you provided is not a Hasbro product. Reeks of NDA.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: majikarte on May 09, 2012, 10:05:27 AM
Thinking about FS fakies... look at "My Funny" Applejack and Rarity. They're actually kind of nice looking, quality seems okay, besides AJ's hat being part of her head, but they're smaller than the regular FS. But all the :muffin: Pony people have gotten are normal sized. And maybe there are other G4 fakes, but "My Funny" is the only one I'm aware of, I've never seen any others anywhere.

Seeing the title of this thread always kind of annoys me. xD
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: LadyMoondancer on May 09, 2012, 10:08:15 AM
Anyone know if the "My Funny" fakies have the usual fakie tails, where the tail is set in the body with individual plugs instead of having one tail hole?   
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: Blitzn on May 09, 2012, 03:03:17 PM
While not the norm, some fakies are good quality. The best G3s ever made were fakies IMHO (see my avatar). Fakies never follow a standard.  And they're so random when found, it's like "only time will tell" to figure out what's up with them.  If Hasbro can make them, so can others. However, from what I can glean on circumstances of her sale she may very well be a leaked pony.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: xeevee on May 09, 2012, 06:21:33 PM
Fakies do come out of the hasbro factory.  But there really is no reason to believe this was one.  It is possible hasbro ditched the idea after people got angry when they made the character cannon, but lets look at what we know.

1.  It is factory made
2.  It has no other fakie qualities (cheaper plastic, rougher painting, differently rooted hair)
3.  It was an official character
4.  It was sold on taoboa, which is a site that only sells to Chinese residents.  China does not air FiM, nor do they sell ponies in stores (I know, I am in China right now, I have never seen a pony in a store).  The Chinese would not know this Character, nor realise how valuable a toy of her would be.

Either hasbro changed their mind, the person who said it wasn't official didn't know any better, or they lied. 
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: RedheadedBeauty on May 09, 2012, 07:12:33 PM
I'm going to vote for they lied. Wishful thinking and they have lied before in the past. Bay Breeze was a huge lie in my book since some of use passed on chances to buy since she was going to be mass produced.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: HawaiianRain on May 10, 2012, 07:14:06 AM
Problem with the g4 line is they are so darn small it would be super easy to sneak out a prototype or a handful of models that were never to make it to the public. What perhaps it is, A real :muffin: Pony. They are made over in China. Hasbro had plans to release it along with DJ-pon3 (who will be released later this year) and because of the issue with uptight parents, they nixed the :muffin: Pony release and what this figure was from, was perhaps that batch of toys that never made it here to the US.

It's interesting none the less though!

Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: xeevee on May 12, 2012, 01:02:23 AM
I'm going to the Beijing toy market next week.  They are known for selling direct from factory, rejects and protypes.  Keep your fingers crossed for me.
Title: Re: Taobao :muffin: Pony Confirmed Fake
Post by: BrightIdea on May 12, 2012, 01:56:25 AM
I'm going to the Beijing toy market next week.  They are known for selling direct from factory, rejects and protypes.  Keep your fingers crossed for me.


Ooo! Lucky you!  I would absolutely love to see what you find there :) [size=78%].[/size]
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