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I didn't care for the scene with Leia using the force, but I can get over that.
I really liked. Kylo and Rei's back-to-back battle
I loved the Kylo/Rey back to back fighting scene too. Count me in as a Reylo shipper!
SpoilerI also hate Kylo. He's an awful person. Yeah, Luke made a mistake in how he confronted him back in the day but seriously--boohoo, get over it, Kylo. He's a brat who idolizes (and works for) space Nazis. And killed his own dad. What a peach.
Quote from: LadyMoondancer on December 30, 2017, 11:36:51 AMSpoilerI also hate Kylo. He's an awful person. Yeah, Luke made a mistake in how he confronted him back in the day but seriously--boohoo, get over it, Kylo. He's a brat who idolizes (and works for) space Nazis. And killed his own dad. What a peach.SpoilerI was so afraid of saying "nazi" on here (because you never know how people will react even when it's the truth right now) but damn you RIGHT. The only time I like him is in small doses in Kylux fanart. That's literally it. And he needs to keep his shirt onstay away from ReyAlso like... his grandfather STOPPED being evil?? That was the whole point? Or did he conveniently forget that part?
It was FANTASTIC to finally see Leia use the Force, and so strongly, because she's just as powerful as Luke and people so easily forget that.
Quote from: Bewilderbeast on December 30, 2017, 01:49:58 PMQuote from: LadyMoondancer on December 30, 2017, 11:36:51 AMSpoilerI also hate Kylo. He's an awful person. Yeah, Luke made a mistake in how he confronted him back in the day but seriously--boohoo, get over it, Kylo. He's a brat who idolizes (and works for) space Nazis. And killed his own dad. What a peach.SpoilerI was so afraid of saying "nazi" on here (because you never know how people will react even when it's the truth right now) but damn you RIGHT. The only time I like him is in small doses in Kylux fanart. That's literally it. And he needs to keep his shirt onstay away from ReyAlso like... his grandfather STOPPED being evil?? That was the whole point? Or did he conveniently forget that part?SpoilerHis shirt being off was so unnecessary and ridiculous, lol.I liked him as a character (not a person) in TFA because it seemed like he was going to be a straightout villain, like Darth Vader was in A New Hope. I actually thought it was interesting having the villain being a selfish and mildly pathetic wannabe idolizing something terrible while totally ignoring its history and context, because there are a LOT of guys out there like that (in both the internet and real life.)Then I started seeing articles about how RELATABLE Kylo Ren was in TFA and I was like . . . whaaa? I don't find him relatable at all. He's like an amalgam of a bunch of terrible guys I've known over the years.I also didn't like his fight against the red guards with Rey, even as an action scene, because it seemed really contrived. Each guard specializing in a different weapon . . . REALLY?
Spoiler Quote from: Bewilderbeast on December 29, 2017, 11:05:08 AMIt was FANTASTIC to finally see Leia use the Force, and so strongly, because she's just as powerful as Luke and people so easily forget that. Thank you!!!Hearing people shocked in the theater that Leia used the force tickles me. She has been force sensitive since the original movies.But I loved this movie. Honestly better than last imo, The Force Awakens pretty much was a rehash of the 1st original film which was really disapointing for me. So seeing this was more original made me really happy!
Spoiler Quote from: Bewilderbeast on December 29, 2017, 11:05:08 AMIt was FANTASTIC to finally see Leia use the Force, and so strongly, because she's just as powerful as Luke and people so easily forget that. Thank you!!!Hearing people shocked in the theater that Leia used the force tickles me. She has been force sensitive since the original movies.But I loved this movie. Honestly better than last imo, The Force Awakens pretty much was a rehash of the 1st original film which was really disapointing for me. So seeing this was more original made me really happy!The ending scene where Luke looks like he was back on Tatooine looking at the sunset nearly killed me. I was trying so hard not to cry lol.Snoke on the other hand... I really was bummed we didn't find out more about him. Where he came from and who he was, before he was killed, he was freakishly strong with the force yet killed off so quickly!
SpoilerIt wasn't the concept of her using the Force but the execution. It looked stupid. First, she miraculously survived the explosion and several seconds in the vacuum of space. And, despite frost developing around her skin, she is able to just float to the door which doesn't decompress the ship when it's opened.If they were going to do that, they should have thought it out more. Like show Leia and the bridge staff in a protective bubble of air to suggest she used the Force to protect them from the explosion. With other survivors, there would be a sense of astonishment in the movie as well, like when Yoda lifted Luke's X-Wing out of the swamp in Empire. Her just doing it had no gravitas to what should be an advanced use of the Force we had never seen before.SpoilerI have to agree here. And whilst I'll confess I hadn't really thought too much about Leia's 'use' of the force prior to reading people's comments in this thread, the most I can recall (thinking about it now) is her ability to sense a 'disturbance' in the force - like knowing Han was gone, or being able to hear Luke when he was calling to her in the Empire Strikes Back (but even then, that was Luke mostly, really? Leia was able to pick up on it)Here in the TLJ, suddenly we have this bizarre scene, with an execution of 'force' powers, that felt completely out of place Not to mention the scientific faux pas that Al-1701 pointed out. On which subject... the bombers... dropping bombs.... I thought there wasn't any gravity in space??? I stand at risk of picking it to pieces here... I would then be suggesting that every explosion we've heard in space throughout Star wars and any space movie would be wrong... so I had better 'let it go... let it go.... mustn't bully the movie anymoreeee....!!! Spoileredit to add... I should add that really, I'm not too bothered by little bomb dropping gravity issues or explosions in space... there are plenty of most excellent space explosions I have enjoyed - and seriously, if there were no space explosions in cinema space, cinema wouldn't be very interesting, would it? lol! But yes, I was bothered by the Leia force scene
SpoilerI actually enjoyed the movie. I was entertained and engaged throughout and it had a good SW feel for me. Like LadyMoondance, I expected to dislike the Porgs but they weren't overdone and added a few smiles to dark scenes. Interesting that they were penguins that needed disguise! Thanks Kiwi, I had not heard that (probably because I have been avoiding spoilers at all costs, lol).I enjoyed the interaction between Rey and Ren. It's weird they have such a strong connection but I am willing to roll with it because it was well played out and gave a bit more insight into each character (maybe they are both just ultra powerful with the force?). My brother guessed right that Rey's parents would turn out to be nobodies too! I didn't expect Ren to kill Snoke! That was a bit of a shock, especially because we know so little about him. I expected him to be around until the next film. Good to see Ren stepping up to be the big bad guy, even if he is clearly still conflicted. I really liked that he couldn't kill his mother. I didn't like the way they used Poe this time. He was way too gung-ho after being such an asset in TFA. The thing I hated most though was when Rose crashed into Fin's ship to supposedly save him from dying. I actually held up my hands in the theatre and went WTF? She could just as easily have killed him in the process, as well as putting the lives of everyone he was trying to save back in danger! Duh. I have heard people saying that Luke was out of character. Imo he was always rather negative and questioning of the force so I didn't think so. He also went down the same route as Anakin, attempting to kill Ben to save those that he loves (Anakin mistakenly turned to the dark side to save Padme). I felt sorry for Luke that things went so wrong in training Ben, and that it has effected his relationship with Leia so much. I also felt for Kylo (yes, I have now called him by three different names, lol!). I think he wants to be good but he certainly has a lot of anger in him. If Rey can not turn him to the light side then I don't think anybody will. It was really sad to see Carrie Fisher on screen for the last time. I'm glad we got to see Leia and Luke reunite on screen before she passed, and there was a nice mention of her in the screen credits at the end. I was hoping Billy D Williams might pop up somewhere in the movie. Hopefully the signal sent by the rebellion will reach him next time. Overall I would rate this movie about 8/10. Not as good as TFA but solid and enjoyable.