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Quote from: Taffeta on June 21, 2016, 03:43:20 PMWhen I came online years ago, Red Roses wasn't really rated. Sea Ponies were ignored. Most regular ponies sold for reasonable prices. Time has meant flea markets are less prolific, but we still hear stories of people finding rare ponies and buying lots from original collectors. back in my day I had to walk up hill both ways in the snow to buy ponies...now these kids just click and button and get them delivered right to they're door...Curse you progress!!!Hi Taff!! OH WAIT...I used to have ponies delivered right to my door by hasbro...(grins) nevermind. Although I had to mail them points and send them a check and wait like...4-6 freaking weeks to get the pony.again, kids these days are so spoiled (hehe)
When I came online years ago, Red Roses wasn't really rated. Sea Ponies were ignored. Most regular ponies sold for reasonable prices. Time has meant flea markets are less prolific, but we still hear stories of people finding rare ponies and buying lots from original collectors.
Quote from: Wardah on June 20, 2016, 06:42:25 PMThis reminds me of whenever something from the past gets a remake people go "wahhhh my childhood is ruined!" and tbh that's rather silly and over dramatic. It's not like the remake can go into the past and overwrite the original ones or erase your memories.Tbh a better reason is if they were all rereleased they would be competing with the current G4s. Because of that I don't think that more than just a few sets would be a good idea. Also in the 80s Hasbro wasn't very concerned about being green so the packaging was bigger which meant it wasted more space in transportation and on store shelves as well as not being the ideal way to display a collector's item. I'd rather see a neat display box that can easily be folded down.I think that's a personal decision and depends on the individual. I don't collect "objects", I collect nostalgia. The core of my collecting is the history of MLP, the variations, the differences and the story of the pony line in the UK. That is what I collect. Backcards. Information. Details. All my ponies are working ponies in the sense they are part of information provision. I genuinely spend more time tracking down backcards that I don't yet have an example of than I do individual ponies these days. And many UK backcards are more difficult to find than the Greek Nirvanas that go for silly money. But that's what I collect. I am looking for that history.So to say it's silly when it is what I collect is really rather offensive and entirely unnecessary. Just because it isn't something you can relate to, doesn't make it an invalid point of view.I can't really comment on what Jem the movie did to people's childhoods, as I wasn't a collector of Jem as a child. And I don't collect Jem "history", so it's not quite the same thing to me. I dislike the movie but I also ignored it and moved on. MLP is different, though. Besides, as I said before, the idea of rereleasing G1 would probably follow Hasbro's mould of uniform sales. And I do not want the ponies of my childhood renamed and repackaged to fit the US model. No offence to the US, but that's not my childhood. If there stopped being mysteries and clues and things to piece together in the UK history of MLP, I'd probably lose interest. And that would be sad. So, for me, something like this would destroy the whole concept of MLP for me.I don't think that's overdramatic. It just depends if you collect ponies for the reason of having ponies, or if you collect them as history. And I am the latter. The thing that I think is strange is the difficulty in separating something and accepting it as part of the past. G1 was a long time ago now. G2, 3 4 has happened. We've learned, so has Hasbro. We've changed, so has Hasbro. The market has, the world has, everything has. Yet people are still stuck in this mythical idea that, if only G1 came back, everything MLP would be perfect.To me that's silly. My Little Pony is what it is to us because it wasn't designed to be a collectable. It was a toy, we played with it, we introduced it to the next generation, we made it what it is. We don't need that to come back. I don't understand why its a bad thing to let the past be the past. Yeah, there are ponies I'll never get and things that probably no longer even exist any more. Huge swathes of items from the UK line, packaging, MIP items, etc - they have never yet been found, and may never be. Far fewer UK packaged items survive compared to US ones.But that is also part of history. You can't keep every memory. Only the precious ones.I think that not being able to accept something as past is much stranger than being fond of that past and wanting to preserve it.But I'm a historian. So I may be biased.The other element in this is whether or not the idea of bringing them back as a whole line of toys from start to finish is really intended as a great thing for MLP, or whether it is just an expression of frustration because those ponies are expensive now, or hard to find.But the people who did that to the market...that's us. We created those prices. Look at all the price checks. Look at all the people seeking certain ponies because they are sought after and rare. We generated this cycle as collectors. When I came online years ago, Red Roses wasn't really rated. Sea Ponies were ignored. Most regular ponies sold for reasonable prices. Time has meant flea markets are less prolific, but we still hear stories of people finding rare ponies and buying lots from original collectors.So when we find those lots and sell those ponies, like Mimic or Red Roses, for higher prices, we're creating the issue of value ourselves.So bringing back the whole line of MLP and demolishing the 1980s as it was in order to fill those collection gaps is really what I find overdramatic. If we don't like the prices as a collecting community, that's some complete other issue to tackle among ourselves. We don't need 13 years of identical G1 ponies to restock shelves over the world in order that people can fill gaps in their collection and leave the rest to shelfsit.It's like killing an ant with a bulldozer...
This reminds me of whenever something from the past gets a remake people go "wahhhh my childhood is ruined!" and tbh that's rather silly and over dramatic. It's not like the remake can go into the past and overwrite the original ones or erase your memories.Tbh a better reason is if they were all rereleased they would be competing with the current G4s. Because of that I don't think that more than just a few sets would be a good idea. Also in the 80s Hasbro wasn't very concerned about being green so the packaging was bigger which meant it wasted more space in transportation and on store shelves as well as not being the ideal way to display a collector's item. I'd rather see a neat display box that can easily be folded down.
I mean it's doubtful it would ever happen but if it did why not just ignore them? If they aren't the same anyways what difference does it make? Why can't you just collect and enjoy your UK originals? Not everyone collects MLP for the same reason. I didn't even grow up with G1 but I have learned appreciate it.I do agree it's not a great idea to do more than maybe a few lines here and there tho. It wouldn't be as special if it was so many ponies. Also not every past MLP release was great. There were a few lines that make one wonder what they were smoking at Hasbro.
Quote from: Wardah on June 21, 2016, 11:39:40 PMI mean it's doubtful it would ever happen but if it did why not just ignore them? If they aren't the same anyways what difference does it make? Why can't you just collect and enjoy your UK originals? Not everyone collects MLP for the same reason. I didn't even grow up with G1 but I have learned appreciate it.I do agree it's not a great idea to do more than maybe a few lines here and there tho. It wouldn't be as special if it was so many ponies. Also not every past MLP release was great. There were a few lines that make one wonder what they were smoking at Hasbro. I think I just explained why its not about ignoring them, and so I'm not going to repeat myself on that count. But if you want it in succinct terms, because if everything is available, there is no mystery. It's like putting in cheat codes in a game. It may seem great at first, but ultimately it ruins the challenge and takes the point out of the game.I already find it incredibly sad how many UK people have abandoned the names and such of their childhoods to conform to the American naming convention. It's their choice, it's not mine - but its already hard enough to preserve something that's really piecemeal and overshadowed by the US line. It would be the same ponies, but US names and US cards, and that's my objection. Being swallowed up by the generic conformity of modern Hasbro's attitude to packaging, naming and distribution. I grew up with Strawberry Fair, not Sugarberry. And it would really upset me to see her on shelves here as Sugarberry. I am still annoyed by modern UK paraphernalia that uses the name Princess Sparkle.What I really object to is the idea that it's silly or selfish to want to preserve the irreplaceable nostalgia of childhood but it's not at all silly or selfish to want everything reproduced just so individuals can fill gaps in their specific collections. Admittedly not everyone is posting in that vein, but as I said before, is it really valid to have the whole rerelease of G1 just for the purpose of filling those rare gaps? I think that if this was going to be considered as a hypothetical possibility, it shouldn't be for individuals to get ponies they don't want to pay collector prices for. I especially think it's wrong to try and undermine or comment on the validity of that point of view if you didn't grow up with G1. Everyone who did has their own thoughts, but if you didn't grow up with it, how can you really comment on that element? I'm an old school collector. A re-release would not make them G1. They would still be a new generation. And copies.I really feel that there's no point in filling your collection with fakes and copies of things. And this would be the same to me as that. It's just my personal point of view and I think that's as valid as anyone else's.I'd rather have gaps. And I'd rather leave G1 in the past. If you're not willing to go the extra mile to collect the old stuff, maybe its the wrong generation to collect. I don't have tons of money, but I don't see the point in a collection that's easy and where everything is remade to collector convenience. All for new G1 style ponies, even new members of old sets. Against rereleases of old ponies unless they are in different moulds or somehow updated and changed.
Then again the G1 ponies I'd love to see get a rerelease the most are the Perfume Puffs since unless you open a MIB which is a big nono, their hair is gross.