How do you feel about re-casts? (BJD)

[Wardah]

Too bad so much drama about recasts tho. I can think of a reason where it would be beneficial. Recasts would make great clothing dummies. Like if a doll clothes maker isn't too crazy about a BJD with odd size measurements but wants to make clothes that fit the odd sized doll as well they are stuck buying a doll they don't like.

[Loona]

Too bad so much drama about recasts tho. I can think of a reason where it would be beneficial. Recasts would make great clothing dummies. Like if a doll clothes maker isn't too crazy about a BJD with odd size measurements but wants to make clothes that fit the odd sized doll as well they are stuck buying a doll they don't like.

I thought about this too while reading through this thread. what if someone who makes clothes for BJD wanted to offer several size options and needed different-sized dolls for measuring and modeling purposes? buying several legit dolls just because of this would be a financial disaster most likely. measurements can of course be requested from other owners, but clothes (not only in dolly size btw) usually sell better when they are modeled on actual dolls, not just pictured laying flat.

please note that this question was born out of curiosity from reading the posts here, in the head of an outsider. I really don't have any opinion about this, I am just curious I do not own a BJD, and I do not think I ever will. I have been adoring them in pictures for over 15 years now, but for several reasons I do not wish to own one. and for the clothing part, while I do occasionally make doll clothes myself and sometimes have thoughts of trying my hands out at sewing and selling, I am not planning to make clothes for BJD, because my interest in sewing comes from my own interest, and I don't have any interest in sewing for other types of dolls than the ones I like and own. I also can't imagine having a doll or dolls around solely for measuring and modeling purposes, doll collecting is about something else for me. but I do know there are people who sew clothes for (fashion) dolls, and own some dolls solely for these purposes.

[Hervoyel]

I thought about this too while reading through this thread. what if someone who makes clothes for BJD wanted to offer several size options and needed different-sized dolls for measuring and modeling purposes? buying several legit dolls just because of this would be a financial disaster most likely. measurements can of course be requested from other owners, but clothes (not only in dolly size btw) usually sell better when they are modeled on actual dolls, not just pictured laying flat.

The flip side of this is that there are a fair number of lower-cost legit BJDs out there that are similarly sized to the higher-end ones, so if someone is just looking for a doll as a clothing model, why wouldn't they just buy one/some of those? That way they don't need to make a huge financial investment and they're still supporting the artists who created the dolls - seems like a win/win situation.

[Loona]

I thought about this too while reading through this thread. what if someone who makes clothes for BJD wanted to offer several size options and needed different-sized dolls for measuring and modeling purposes? buying several legit dolls just because of this would be a financial disaster most likely. measurements can of course be requested from other owners, but clothes (not only in dolly size btw) usually sell better when they are modeled on actual dolls, not just pictured laying flat.

The flip side of this is that there are a fair number of lower-cost legit BJDs out there that are similarly sized to the higher-end ones, so if someone is just looking for a doll as a clothing model, why wouldn't they just buy one/some of those? That way they don't need to make a huge financial investment and they're still supporting the artists who created the dolls - seems like a win/win situation.

oh, that sounds great! thank you for your reply! I don't really know much about how much do recasts go for, and how their price compares to either their originals or to other originals of the same size, so if there are original dollies out there you can get for or close to the price of a recast that is similar-sized, than my question is no longer valid I was assuming that recasts are way cheaper, so this option didn't even come to mind.

[Aerora]

oh, that sounds great! thank you for your reply! I don't really know much about how much do recasts go for, and how their price compares to either their originals or to other originals of the same size, so if there are original dollies out there you can get for or close to the price of a recast that is similar-sized, than my question is no longer valid I was assuming that recasts are way cheaper, so this option didn't even come to mind.

IIRC while recasts are cheaper than the dolls they're ripping off, they're not the cheapest dolls available - looking at almost-definitely-not-legit sites, recast Minifees are $120-140. Resinsoul's MSDs (same size as a minifee) are $126-$150, and I know they're not the only lower-cost BJD company. Of course they're not the same doll, but both are classified as "slim MSD," so they should fit similar clothes, I think?

[Hervoyel]

oh, that sounds great! thank you for your reply! I don't really know much about how much do recasts go for, and how their price compares to either their originals or to other originals of the same size, so if there are original dollies out there you can get for or close to the price of a recast that is similar-sized, than my question is no longer valid I was assuming that recasts are way cheaper, so this option didn't even come to mind.

IIRC while recasts are cheaper than the dolls they're ripping off, they're not the cheapest dolls available - looking at almost-definitely-not-legit sites, recast Minifees are $120-140. Resinsoul's MSDs (same size as a minifee) are $126-$150, and I know they're not the only lower-cost BJD company. Of course they're not the same doll, but both are classified as "slim MSD," so they should fit similar clothes, I think?

Yup. And companies like Mirodoll and Fantasy Doll/Angel Street can be even cheaper when they're having sales, so those are more legit companies whose dolls can be cheaper than recasts.

[lovesbabysquirmy]

Phynx I think you were treated very poorly and I'm sorry your doll group did that to you.  I do think that the recast witch hunt phenomena that happens can be extreme and ridiculous.  I think it is particularly bad when doll groups fling unbased accusations at innocent parties.

But... I do understand the idea behind not allowing in a social group (ie DOA which is so huge) people to openly own, sell, share photos of,  recast dolls.  Doing those things SUPPORTS recasters because it implies that having recast dolls is okay.

I know there are lots of people that just don't get why having a recast art doll hurts both the artist and the hobby while supporting an art thief.  But maybe those people might STILL hesitate before buying a recast doll (or before buying a doll that they do not know one way or the other if it is legit) if they thought they wouldn't be able to happily or easily share those dolls with their social networking groups. So then the recasters make less money and more people by legit art dolls.

I would compare it to owning a counterfit of a well known and living artist. Regardless of whether you personally enjoy the painting or not, or whether you knew it was counterfit when it was given to you- if you KNEW it was a counterfit, you probably would not want to post photos of it and share it with other art collectors right?  At least that's how I see it.

I don't think however that there is ever any call to be nasty to other people.

I have to agree with Galactica on this one.  If someone was given a recast as a gift, or they didn't do their research enough before buying, that's not an intentional violation against the artist.  But unfortunately taking photos of them, taking them to meets, and showing them off eventually justifies the industry of theft.   

Bullying is never okay - people need to remember we all make choices - and sometimes, our loved ones make choices!  Buy from them again or don't.  Block them or don't.  But don't fill the air with negativity about how they are a terrible person simply because they own something. 

Fakie ponies are acceptable because the companies making them are MUCH smaller than Hasbro, and Hasbro will not seek damages against the few hundred dollars made. 

But BJDs aren't really made by large companies.... not really, not even the more well-known ones. By supporting recasts of that company's works, you are directly taking money/food/bills out of their employees' pockets.   

Not to make an equal comparison, but what if you owned a bunch of military stuff?  Like from the National Socialist Party of Germany in the 1930's?  It may be a fascinating piece of history, but you are likely NOT going to upload on the internet and show everyone how awesome it is.    Unless you want incredible backlash, that is.... 
 

I don't shop from chains well known for ripping off people's art.  Like Hot Topic, like Forever 22.  I don't ever shop with brands who steal cultural, ethnic or other such designs and call it Haute Couture.

Me too!  You can totally understand how difficult this is when you want to go shopping! 

[Vertefae]

Wait. Did we just compare Nazi relics with recasts? Knock off dolls to an organization that murdered millions of people?

I'm sorry gals, I'm done. They're toys, expensive plastic toys.

Post Merge: January 03, 2016, 02:47:20 PM

I wanted to add this. WWII artifacts are sold every day on the internet. Both from the Allies and the Axis powers. Including Nazi Germany.

How you can even begin to compare a knock off doll to that I'll never understand. At best you're looking at a comparison of fake art being passed as real. However being a member of recast friendly forums I can tell you first hand that you'll get banned faster than anything for passing a recast as a legit. Recast owners are not ashamed of what they own. Not until people on the web start comparing them to horrible people like the Nazis.

[Emerald]

Wait. Did we just compare Nazi relics with recasts? Knock off dolls to an organization that murdered millions of people?

I'm sorry gals, I'm done. They're toys, expensive plastic toys.

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah that lost me. Theft is bad, but it's not genocide. Can we keep this thread on topic? I don't want this thread to get shut down and if it turns into a discussion about NAZIS it's going to get ugly. Counterfeit toys are not murdering people. Can we just not make fantastical comparisons?

[hathorcat]

And done