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Quote from: Rosencrantz on November 28, 2012, 10:39:47 PMQuote from: ashes on November 27, 2012, 09:26:18 PMAnd that's all it is, my opinion. That's not a magic spell that means what you're saying isn't wrong, though.It's also wrong to call someone else's opinions "wrong". By definition opinions can NOT be right OR wrong. Besides, you are missing ashes' point. It's not that she cares if girls play with "boy" toys or boys play with "girl" toys, it's that she's tired of seeing little girls who WANT to be princesses being told they can't because of this overcompensation humans are infamous for. And YES that happens. Ashes LIKES being girly and she should be allowed to be so without being made to feel like she's "wrong" for daring to want to be different from men. And frankly, I agree. I LIKE pink because I chose it. Not because I'm brainwashed by advertising as I have heard people suggest. I like being a princess and being treated as such. And that is ok too. If you don't like being traditional girly or manly that's fine, but don't say those who do are wrong. That's not any more right. EVERYONE needs to be allowed to be who they are.She's refering to the fact that there is a push by some people to remove all traditional girly-ness or manly-ness from toys and frankly THAT is not ok. That's not fair to kids who like those things. There need to be "boy" toys, "girl" toys, and "either" toys. What there doesn't need to be is parents/friends/etc telling kids that they can't play with any of these toys they choose because they are a certain gender. They need to just be toys with no labels perhaps, but all of the current types need to remain. As I said in my original post, I'm sick of people trying to neuter or toys when it's just the attitudes that need neutering. I'm rather positive this is what ashes was getting at.
Quote from: ashes on November 27, 2012, 09:26:18 PMAnd that's all it is, my opinion. That's not a magic spell that means what you're saying isn't wrong, though.
And that's all it is, my opinion.
I think its a good thing personally. Toys aren't gender based its what people push that makes them so.
Wait . . . so Sweden is showing how children actually play with toys?
I've yet to come across anyone who actually wants to 'neuter' toys. I've only heard people advocating just what this catalogue has done, making it ok for any child to play with any toy.
She's refering to the fact that there is a push by some people to remove all traditional girly-ness or manly-ness from toys and frankly THAT is not ok. That's not fair to kids who like those things. There need to be "boy" toys, "girl" toys, and "either" toys. What there doesn't need to be is parents/friends/etc telling kids that they can't play with any of these toys they choose because they are a certain gender. They need to just be toys with no labels perhaps, but all of the current types need to remain. As I said in my original post, I'm sick of people trying to neuter or toys when it's just the attitudes that need neutering. I'm rather positive this is what ashes was getting at.
Quote from: Whippycorn on November 29, 2012, 09:24:09 AMI've yet to come across anyone who actually wants to 'neuter' toys. I've only heard people advocating just what this catalogue has done, making it ok for any child to play with any toy. Then you are very lucky. They exist and they are not any nicer about the way they control what their children play with than those who make them fit the old stereotypes. This catalogue is wonderful. It shows both genders playing with both types of toys, and that is how it should be. I'm pretty certain we all actually agree in this thread. We want kids to just be kids and play with what they like. Gender "appropriate" or not.
Ma'am, that's not what I said at all.
Quote from: Rosencrantz on November 29, 2012, 08:15:05 AMMa'am, that's not what I said at all. Then maybe you need to clarify.
Has anyone heard of 'Katie the Star Wars girl?' it was from a few years back and there was this girl who I think was about 8 or so who was getting really badly picked on because she came from a family of star wars fans so she was really into Star Wars and boys in her school were picking on her because 'Star Wars is for boys'
Quote from: starrypawz on November 28, 2012, 01:30:26 AMHas anyone heard of 'Katie the Star Wars girl?' it was from a few years back and there was this girl who I think was about 8 or so who was getting really badly picked on because she came from a family of star wars fans so she was really into Star Wars and boys in her school were picking on her because 'Star Wars is for boys'She got picked on by boys for having a Star Wars water bottle. Before she tearfully told her mom about it, she was pulling a pink water bottle that held less water than the SW bottle out of the kitchen cabinet and her mom was confused because the girl was so happy when she chose the SW bottle at the store for the new school year.
Quote from: Beachball on November 29, 2012, 12:39:37 PMQuote from: starrypawz on November 28, 2012, 01:30:26 AMHas anyone heard of 'Katie the Star Wars girl?' it was from a few years back and there was this girl who I think was about 8 or so who was getting really badly picked on because she came from a family of star wars fans so she was really into Star Wars and boys in her school were picking on her because 'Star Wars is for boys'She got picked on by boys for having a Star Wars water bottle. Before she tearfully told her mom about it, she was pulling a pink water bottle that held less water than the SW bottle out of the kitchen cabinet and her mom was confused because the girl was so happy when she chose the SW bottle at the store for the new school year.I remember that. I am a girl and I have ALWAYS loved Star Wars. I felt so bad for the poor girl, some kids are so mean. No matter what you like, someone will tell you it's wrong. I was made fun of for playing with "boy" toys, but also for wearing pretty dresses and shiny shoes. It doesn't matter what you do, the bullies will find some reason to make you feel awful.
Quote from: ZennaBug on November 29, 2012, 12:43:09 PMQuote from: Beachball on November 29, 2012, 12:39:37 PMQuote from: starrypawz on November 28, 2012, 01:30:26 AMHas anyone heard of 'Katie the Star Wars girl?' it was from a few years back and there was this girl who I think was about 8 or so who was getting really badly picked on because she came from a family of star wars fans so she was really into Star Wars and boys in her school were picking on her because 'Star Wars is for boys'She got picked on by boys for having a Star Wars water bottle. Before she tearfully told her mom about it, she was pulling a pink water bottle that held less water than the SW bottle out of the kitchen cabinet and her mom was confused because the girl was so happy when she chose the SW bottle at the store for the new school year.I remember that. I am a girl and I have ALWAYS loved Star Wars. I felt so bad for the poor girl, some kids are so mean. No matter what you like, someone will tell you it's wrong. I was made fun of for playing with "boy" toys, but also for wearing pretty dresses and shiny shoes. It doesn't matter what you do, the bullies will find some reason to make you feel awful.The joke is on the boys. A couple of years after the water bottle incident, she obtained something they could only dream about having: a professionally made Stormtrooper costume!http://www.chicagonow.com/portrait-of-an-adoption/2012/10/aren%E2%80%99t-you-a-little-short-for-a-stormtrooper-star-wars-fans-worldwide-join-to-build-a-halloween-costume-for-one-lucky-little-girl/