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I love this topic! I too am confused about where the rights to the other G1 TV show characters went; why was it only Spike and Applejack that they could keep the rights too? Hm. Well, at least Twilight's mom in the show looks almost identical to G1 Twilight:visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Quote from: Sunset on May 15, 2012, 05:58:32 PMQuote from: hyenacub on May 15, 2012, 04:28:25 PMSurprise would have been totally cool! D: I wonder WHY she could not keep them. I don't get it.I just don't get it, either. If Hasbro doesn't have the rights, then who does? and why would they only keep Applejack of all of the ponies? I mean, not even Firefly?I do have to say though, that before I saw the original concept drawings a while ago, I thought Fluttershy was inspired by Dancing Butterflies.I dont want to sound cynical [again lol!] but in my personal opinion the whole "we lost the rights" reads as a little teeny bit of a fairy story to apologise nicely to collectors and fans about the lack [other than AJ] of a direct G1 presence...if you really start thinking about it for example HB are permitting the licensing of some of their original G1s [including Firefly remember] on to t-shirts and other materials right now. Not to mention that it was only 5 years ago that HB re-released 12 of these original G1s all with the same name as in the 80s - its a little coincidental that 5 of those they happened to loose were the 5 that LF wanted to use. It was the reason LF I believe claims to have been given when she tried to pitch the G1 focused concept which Tropical Sunset kindly posted. I know it does happen and names are lost - Transformers being a great example - but HB didnt loose the right to every single G1 MLP name other than AppleJack - they could have re-registered a lot of them as many of them certainly havent been picked up by other toy brands. Although perhaps they preferred the uniqueness of names like "Fluttershy" and "Twilight Sparkle" over more regular names like "Sparkler" and "Twilight" Personally I think it comes down to the fact that with G3 and 3.5 HB invested a lot in the characters of ponies like Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash...and they wanted to keep these characters in the franchise. The problem is once you change a couple of the characters you have to charge others in order to maintain the colour/type/concept balance - so you make Surprise pink and remove her wings which means you need to drop the other pink pony [suddenly Firefly becomes blue] and give someone else the wings you took off Surprise [along comes that yellow pony with wings and here is Fluttershy]...HB dont want to loose all the little girls who watched G3 and 3.5 some of them, their little sisters and their mums are still in their core target market.
Quote from: hyenacub on May 15, 2012, 04:28:25 PMSurprise would have been totally cool! D: I wonder WHY she could not keep them. I don't get it.I just don't get it, either. If Hasbro doesn't have the rights, then who does? and why would they only keep Applejack of all of the ponies? I mean, not even Firefly?I do have to say though, that before I saw the original concept drawings a while ago, I thought Fluttershy was inspired by Dancing Butterflies.
Surprise would have been totally cool! D: I wonder WHY she could not keep them. I don't get it.
Yeah, I think the well-spread rumor of Hasbro losing copyright is a misunderstanding. It made more sense for them at the time to maintain their current trademarks over G3 characters who were well-known by their preferred age bracket anyway. They obviously still have the rights to use their older characters since we see them in other merchandise Plus you can have overlapping names as long as the two things don't get confused in people's heads (so Firefly the show and Firefly the pony are different enough to not conflict).
Like how you get Applejack the pony and Applejack the drink!! Same name..."hopefully" no confusing cross over...*visions of drunken ponies*
Quote from: hyenacub on May 15, 2012, 04:28:25 PMSurprise would have been totally cool! D: I wonder WHY she could not keep them. I don't get it.I just don't get it, either. If Hasbro doesn't have the rights, then who does? and why would they only keep Applejack of all of the ponies? I mean, not even Firefly?
Actually, according to the Blind Bags her mom's name is Twilight Velvet.Hathorcat, loss of trademark retention is the reason they couldn't use the old names (as Moonracer pointed it out it's a problem that plagues the Transformers brand too). At the time production started the Firefly trademark in regards to toys was in Joss Whedon's hands (thanks for nothing, Joss), just straight-up Twilight was unavailable partly due to commonality and partly due to that hack Stephanie Meyer, Surprise is again too generic to hang onto anymore, Posey was presumably taken by another line of girls' toys, Sparkler was either too generic or had been used by another toy (don't know details), but Applejack they still had due to having reused her name recently (plus nobody else wanting to take it, presumably to avoid being confused with a breakfast cereal). Now, why the others were retooled the particular way they were would be to hang on to what Hasbro does own or simply to give unique flavour (in the case of Twi's tweaks), but it's because of trademark retention that they had to change. Enough can shift during a gap like there was between the release of those reissues and the start of production to cause problems. And of course once production has started and stuff's hit the shelves and airwaves, even if the trademark becomes available again it's too late for this round. I would also like to point out that there's a difference between name and likeness.On the actual topic of the thread:visitors can't see pics , please register or login