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Need some digital Camera Help
« on: November 25, 2012, 06:59:01 PM »
Okay gang need some fast help - we are looking for a digital camera for Thoth.  She has a Nikon Cool Pix that drives us both a bit batty with it issues and are looking for more of an SLR that is a bit more reliable and takes better photos in some areas.

I happen to love Sony, but they seem out of our price range for what we are looking for.  We need the camera to take great low light shots, including night shots at times.  We are looking for one around 30x Optical, with if possible the ability to give a good scenic as well.

We also need it to have a super marco, my old Sony has one that rocks, and I would love her new camera to have one like that as she is often taking detail shots of her work, both customs and flat art.  Which is another thing it needs to be able to do is get her a nice photo of her larger flat art that does not fit on my scanner.  I have a light set up down stairs to use with it but it needs to not flake out over taking a flat objects photos.

We also need it to do movies, we are both Carousel nuts and often travel to visit carousels and take movies on her Nikon and well with no sound and limited zoom they movies can be a bit boring that way.  Also shall be shooting some movies of horses.

She is more of a point and shot gal then me, so nothing to fancy control wise.

I did find a few cameras at Costco including two Fujiflim cameras but I am not familiar with the brand so not sure how good they are.  Any input welcome.

I can post some photos to show what kinds of photos we take if that helps, just give me a shout and I will.  Oh duh price range is $300-$350 tops it is a gift from several relatives for her 16th birthday.
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Re: Need some digital Camera Help
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2012, 07:31:22 PM »
Don't look at me. I have a coolpix too. :silly:
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Re: Need some digital Camera Help
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2012, 07:33:22 PM »
Wish my dad was here with me right now. He is a camera pro and could tell you everything I hope someone is able to help you out :)

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Re: Need some digital Camera Help
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2012, 08:38:23 PM »
No worries gang, though if anyone can recommend a good site for camera reviews I can work with that too.

Oh here is a shot by my old camera to get an idea of the marco we are looking for -
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Re: Need some digital Camera Help
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2012, 12:38:27 AM »
So, when it comes to doing low light photography, you gotta get familiar with ISO. It refers to how light sensitive a camera is, it's a measure of light, not something physical. Lower ISO rating means less light sensitive, higher ISO means more light sensitive. Less light sensitivity will mean longer exposure times, higher ISO will mean shorter exposure times.

Film is rated for different ISOs, and film cameras can be loaded with any ISO of film you want. The most common ISOs are 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, and 6400, everywhere in between, and higher and lower. Digital cameras don't have film, but they still use ISO, it's just set via the cameras settings. With film, higher ISO films have less film grain, which allows them to be used for shorter exposure times. The caveat to this is that since high ISO film has less film grain (but will let you make a quicker exposure), the image is less fine. Here's a shot I took using 6400 ISO film;

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As you can see, the film grain is very prominent. However, this was shot on a stage that was really poorly lit, so I needed the really high ISO film to get an exposure below 1/30th of a second.

Here's a shot I took using a flash, and 100 ISO film;

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That's me and an acquaintance. She's much smaller than me. Anyway, you'll notice there's hardly any film grain, but this was taken at the same place, so I had to use a flash to get a proper exposure.

Now, you might be asking, how the heck does this relate to digital film? Digital ISO works in sort of the same way, only you get 'digital noise', and not large grains of film.

Here's a full size shot of my camera at 1600 ISO. There was no post processing done to this, at all. I took the raw and converted it to jpeg, that's it. You'll notice there's a lot of digital noise in the image, but it's very easy to overcome in post production.

Not all cameras ISOs are created equal, however. My camera is getting old, the newest cameras can shoot at 6400 ISO and get the same amount of noise my camera gets at 1600 ISO.

You said you want '30x optical zoom', if you're buying an SLR, stop thinking 'zoom', and start thinking in terms of focal length. Focal length refers to 'zoom' a lens will provide. This was shot with an 80mm lens about four feet away;

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And this was shot with an 18mm lens about the same distance away;

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Notice how much more of the stage is in view on the second shot? That's what focal length does. The higher the focal length number, the more 'zoomed in' the lens will be. With that out of the way, gear suggestions!

Consider buying used. My primary digital camera is a Rebel XTi, it goes for about $150 these days. I do a lot of low light photography with it, and the digital noise is very easy to overcome.

If you're looking for a lens that will do macro shots, the Canon 18-55 EFS will do ya well. I've used it to shoot bands, and some ponies, but I don't use it a lot.

You can get a decent high focal length lens for about $100, too.

I own all of the gear listed. If you want to see some shots with it, let me know and I'll get you the links.

The XTi is a 1.6x crop, which means for standard EF mount (which is Canon's current lens system) lenses, you'll get focal length times 1.6. What this means is if, you put a 50mm lens on the body, it will behave like an 80mm lens. They have a special type of lenses, called 'EF-S', if your camera supports EF-S lenses, there won't be the 1.6 'crop', they'll behave just like the focal length listed on the camera. The camera I linked you does support EF-S lenses.

If you have any more questions, let me know.
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Re: Need some digital Camera Help
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2012, 04:46:04 AM »
Thanks but I am not looking for a digital SLR for her, she has enough issues finding her mind never mind keeping track of parts.  Now if I could afford a new camera for me that would be where I was going.  But this is for her and what she is comfortable with and fits in our budget.

I do happen to know what ISO is and how it works, spent 10+ years in the portrait photography field and while that was awhile ago I figure it has not changed too much. 

Anyone recommend at least a good site to get good camera ratings on?
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Re: Need some digital Camera Help
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2012, 12:18:56 PM »
I have an Olympus E-PL1 and I adore it!  Here's a review from one of my favorite camera review sites:  http://www.steves-digicams.com/camera-reviews/olympus/e-pl1/olympus-e-pl1-review.html

It's easy to use, his nice megapixels, and a good macro.  If you're just looking for a nice everyday camera, I'd really recommend it.  I took all these pics with mine:

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(I adore its macro setting)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/zennabug/7446170906/
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/zennabug/7316662510/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zennabug/7316660016/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zennabug/7316700446/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zennabug/7316698410/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zennabug/5695125278/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zennabug/5695125536/ (It has filters too, they are fun to play with)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zennabug/7316703102/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zennabug/7317087286/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zennabug/7317091840/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zennabug/7317088526/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zennabug/7506482968/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zennabug/7506482746/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zennabug/7506482246/
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(Most of the pics in my "Road Trip 2012" album on facebook were taken with this camera too)

I got mine brand-new on eBay for about $300  :)

ETA:  The only thing that I miss is having a super zoom.  I could always buy a new lens, but they can be pricy and then there's the issue of changing it.  For regular everyday use (and the occasional photoshoot with toys, animals, or flowers), it does exactly what I needed it to.  I bought a leather case that looks very much like the kind my mom used to have on her old 35mm when I was a kid and a cute camera strap.
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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2012, 04:27:06 PM »
Thanks Zen, it is a neat camera, but out of my price range and Thoth really does not want to deal with changing lenses and the like.  Thanks for the link though maybe I can search the cameras we saw the other day and see if we can find something.
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2012, 04:41:00 PM »
I'm writing you an pm right now~ (fiance is researching atm).
This is a site we are using for a reference : http://www.dpreview.com
If you can muddle through it, there is a section where you can compare sample images from each camera.
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2012, 06:08:25 PM »
I'm writing you an pm right now~ (fiance is researching atm).
This is a site we are using for a reference : http://www.dpreview.com
If you can muddle through it, there is a section where you can compare sample images from each camera.
Thanks so much Bandit, that site looks super interesting.
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Re: Need some digital Camera Help
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2012, 07:47:02 PM »
Thanks Zen, it is a neat camera, but out of my price range and Thoth really does not want to deal with changing lenses and the like.  Thanks for the link though maybe I can search the cameras we saw the other day and see if we can find something.

I've actually never changed its lens.  I just use the one that came with it.  :silly:  But it was a bit expensive, so I totally understand.  I like that review site I posted, I always check cameras out there before buying.  Good luck!
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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2012, 09:00:00 PM »
Thanks again, well with Banditpony and her boyfriends help I have it narrowed down to two.   Need to scope out some more photos by both cameras and then figure it out.  The cool thing is the store I have the best prices on ships free or my BIL who works in the city can pick them it up for us.  Yeah!

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