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question about the greek ponies
« on: November 29, 2014, 02:22:07 PM »
Hey guys, I read the post about the greek ponies being faked, I'm wondering if anyone knew any specifics about it?  TIA!

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Re: question about the greek ponies
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2014, 03:47:48 PM »
I have not heard anything but over the last few weeks some very interesting items have showed up for sale on the MLP Arena FB page.  That page is now being locked down as it really is not associated with this site at all but it may have been something which was noticed and then looked into on that page.  Pure speculation.
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Re: question about the greek ponies
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2014, 06:15:41 PM »
All the information you need to know has been posted. The post was to make people aware that there are possible faked MIB ponies floating around.

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Re: question about the greek ponies
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2014, 06:29:13 PM »
I don't mean to start anything or drag anything out but I'm honestly really confused...how do you fake a MIB?
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Re: question about the greek ponies
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2014, 02:47:31 AM »
i gu
I don't mean to start anything or drag anything out but I'm honestly really confused...how do you fake a MIB?
If a mod would rather PM me then that's good too

i'm *assuming* that ponies who weren't originally in a box are somehow being put in boxes with accessories that they didnt orginally come with... maybe thats why we're seeing such 'oddball' combinations of ponies & accessories. i remember there was a greek pony not that long ago (can't rmember if i saw in on evilbag or the fb page, sorry...) but it was a regular CP pony in a ''sealed bag'' but in one of those greek eggs...  i was intrigued but certainly didnt take it any further. be interesting to know if it really was genuine or not but i guess we'll probably never know :(

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Re: question about the greek ponies
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2014, 05:03:38 AM »
Thank you sosoftbuttons that helps to clear things up :)
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Re: question about the greek ponies
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2014, 07:16:54 AM »
This was brought to my attention a few months ago as well.

I don't mean to start anything or drag anything out but I'm honestly really confused...how do you fake a MIB?
If a mod would rather PM me then that's good too

I literally spent hours thinking about it, and here are some things I concluded:

When it comes to the "fake" MIB ponies, these are more than likely only the ones who come loose inside a box and not in sealed baggies.  I would not be suspicious of a sealed baggie because those bags seem like they would fall apart if one tried to heat-seal them to mock the factory seal.  I could be wrong, but I do not think so.

As for loose ponies, one might want to be suspicious of a pony (especially a Baby) that has a full head of hair (is missing no plugs).  This may mean she has been rehaired in part or in full.

There was little control or continuity concerning what accessories came with each Greek Pony, but I would be wary of other toy lines mixed in with Greek Ponies.  I have never seen this before, and I would not personally believe it to be real.  Nothing more than an error.

As for the affect on the "value" of these altered Greeks, here is my theory:

A driving part in the difference of Greek ponies, is that they are completely unlike any other Nirvana.  They feel different, smell different, and are colored differently than their Hong Kong counterparts.  So hair changes (such as rehairing a portion to make the pony look better overall), to me, do not comprise more than 15-20% of their value.  There are exceptions to this.  I would not apply this logic to these ponies:

Greek Blue Firefly (same as greek green firefly, but with different hair)
Greek Baby Minty with Green hair (same reason as above)

There may be others I have missed, but in these cases, one should check the hairline from the inside for genuineness.  There is a significant difference in values (although less than ever before).

Another thing to consider - even in cases where hair has been added to fill missing plugs, etc., is it not still genuine greek pony hair? 
 

And lastly (and I have been wanting to figure out the time and place to say this for a long time), I think collectors, especially those newer to the world of Nirvana, need to be realistic about what you are collecting.  Some Nirvana ponies (like Brazil Milky Way for example) are completely different and nearly impossible to fabricate, so if it has been rehaired, or had a symbol touch up, the value should not suffer so terribly.  Now, a purple-haired Italy Tootsie, the ONLY thing driving her value is that hair difference, which is very easy to recreate.

It is time we be intelligent as collectors, and intelligent about our collecting sources as well.  Not everyone in this community (or the world) is honest, properly informed, or conscientious about what they are selling.

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Re: question about the greek ponies
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2014, 07:44:15 AM »
Well said Stormy :)
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Re: question about the greek ponies
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2014, 07:47:34 AM »
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Re: question about the greek ponies
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2014, 11:55:51 AM »
Another thing to keep in mind is the variety of items El Greco made, and which ones were and were not reused with ponies. I have seen different ponies in eggs throughout the years and it's hard to differentiate between the pony eggs and the eggs for dolls at least for me, but the accessories can be easily verified by asking here and looking through the wiki. If you see something that is out of place, I wouldn't hesitate to do a little digging. There's really no shame in ever asking if something looks suspicious to you. :nerdy:
You can even use a site like this to look through the different toy lines and see if the suspicious item is with another toy!
http://www.elgrecoandlyratoys.org

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Re: question about the greek ponies
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2014, 12:48:03 PM »
Stormy, you make some excellent points :)
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Re: question about the greek ponies
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2014, 01:34:42 PM »
Thank you, everyone! 

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Re: question about the greek ponies
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2014, 04:08:30 AM »
Hello everyone,

I wanted to say that i brought up in the light the Greek MIB topic,I was pointing the yellow flat boxes that have a transparent film and you can see the baby and the crib.
I live in Greece, i am watching the Greek pony market closely and wanted to inform the community about this.
the rehair ponies (Greek) is another story!

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