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« on: January 16, 2017, 03:07:50 PM »
Here you go ponyland. A pretty picture of her and the catalogue photo together. And for fun i put card underneath her muzzle to see what her hair would do. Looks identical to the catalogue photo. Look at the shape of her tail. Same shape  symbols are the same size and same location. I like the photo and pony together.
Wow that blossom looks like a prototype too. Her symbols are in a different placement that the regular release.
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I LOVE THIS!  Thank you for posting Ember1 !! It's obvious to me that the symbol is exactly on the same place of the pony, and looking exactly the same in the shape. Considering that the symbol is hand painted, not stamped, I find it beyond doubt that your prototype is the very same pony as in the picture! And also the picture with the forelock behind the card really proves the point!  And just look at the base of that tail, sticking straight out from her behind!  This is not how MLP usually look, but they are both exactly the same!
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« on: January 15, 2017, 03:05:06 AM »
I still find it amazing that my CP prototype Sundance survived ultimate hasbro destruction. The catalogue photo of her is also just as amazing. So many things are thrown out over the years. Its amazing any prototypes have survived at all. I guess thats why collecting them is so special. They are living Hasbro history.
And the butterscotch looks odd to me as well. Certainly not a FF. Just look at that brown saddle and unusual accessories.
What are those numbers underneath where the pony is standing? That cat is different to the one released in the normal version.
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Interesting pic!! Below is how the Prototype show stable is pictured in the 1983 Hasbro Toy Catalog from the toy fair in february 1983. (my own example) (there should be a even earlier version, which was sent out in december to promote the upcoming years toy's, known as the Spring Catalog, I haven't seen the pic's in that one though, but often the prototypes are in a earlier stage in the early catalog.) Hasbro UK had their own Toy Catalogues, and I think that the pic of butterscotch with pretty parlor most likely is from the 1983 Hasbro UK catalogue.But I haven't found any jet for my collection. (notice the similarities in the set up, with the green back drop used in both the Argos pic (although grainy image quality ) and the clean and non grainy Hasbro catalog... I really think the Argos picture was taken by Hasbro UK. It's just as with the pic's of Sundance Stable and Lemon Drop Stable. Same back drop for them both. ) visitors can't see pics , please register or loginedited to ad: Ponyland I went looking for images of Megan's Place to see if CP Sundance features in one of the images, but hit a dead end  The Sears Catalogue images only have shy pose Sundance and Megan's Place in the correct colours.
Let's see what STP finds 
I guess eliminating things is the way to starts!
Love pkw xxx
That's great work PKW! Eliminating is a slow process, but it will take us somewhere in the end. I'm confident that we will find the catalog, and the origin of the pic! I just NEED to know what is written about the stable with Sundance! I'm so curious! I't would be so cool to have a picture of the catalog together with the Sundance prototype!  Sort of like this (I just snapped this for you as an example): visitors can't see pics , please register or login
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« on: January 14, 2017, 02:11:12 PM »
I have all the Argos catalogues from the 80's and 90's in the UK. I have been looking through them to try and find this Sundance picture and so far I have had no luck.
I don't think the picture came from an Argos catalogue in any event as it is not the correct format, ALL Argos items have a number on the picture and the picture with Sundance in the stable doesn't have an item number.
I will carry on looking and when I have found all the Show Stable's I will share the pictures in this thread
That's great work SaveThePonies! If it isn't present in them it would mean that the image probably is a stock photo from Hasbro, and that Argos didn't always arrange their own photo shoots. I wish I could find the UK Hasbro Toy Catalogue, sent to retailers, from 1985 and 1984. She is not present in the 1986 catalogue, but she could be in one of them...
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« on: January 14, 2017, 01:51:55 PM »
The unreleased Awareness pony came in 2 versions, first version clearly a test run. The later version just didn't get released in the end. (I have one MIB though) I have longed for that carriage pony since she was first seen. I so wish that prototype could surface! (And I don't really collect G3's)
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« on: January 14, 2017, 01:09:57 PM »
oh man yes! I love that yellow/green color combo and agree with PKW - I wonder if there was a deal struck back when starting that shipped the mold over from italy to start production and then switched to regular non-marked colombians as more were manufactured through the rest of the decade.
I dunno if shellbelle is still active... she had a page and connection so hopefully better explanations come along. Ember I think has a solid pony supplier who maybe can answer as well
is her green the same like the bowtie and daddy? Seems a bit lighter, but that may be fade
mega congrats on the find!!
Could it be possible that the italian factory sold their moulds to the colombian factory when they stopped manufacture ponies in 1988? (I think the last ponies Italy manufactured was the alternate colors of the collector ponies, like magenta blossom, and they were sold in stores in 1988) moulds are VERY expensive to make, so it would make sense to me if Colombia bought ones that was already made. The stamp could have been filled in along the way. Its a very pretty pony! <3
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« on: January 09, 2017, 11:26:56 AM »
It is very interesting to see the catalog picture. Where is it from? Has it been confirmed it's from Argos or is that just guessing? It's just a guess based on other Argos catalogs, so far. We really need to confirm were it comes from. Argos is a place to start looking, if we can't get an answer from the owner of the catalog. I'm actually thinking this pic originates from a Hasbro UK Toy catalogue, sent to retailers (who often used the pic's in their advertising). I collect those, but they are super hard to find (and expensive) . I only have the 1986, and 1989 one from UK. (But I have most of the years from US, and the pic is not present in them) edit to add: the altered picture of Grooming Parlour is the box picture(?) for the parlour with Snuzzle... I think that playset actually exists, but the box picture is just edited.. it is mentioned in taffeta's website.
The edited box is very crudely done, more like someone had drawn a Snuzzle on top of Peachy. I don't have the saved pic on this computer. The two photos (one with Lemon Drop and one with Sundance) look like the same photo shoot. The deliberate removal of Brandy and moving the fence and door makes it hard to argue a photo edit. I would guess they were considering an alternative release for the playset, maybe a store catalog exclusive (those were popular in the 80s and sometimes had variations like different colored accessories, alternative packaging etc.) I completely agree on that! My first thought was that it can't hardly be a photo edit with those differences, not in the 80's. And I too think it's the same photo shoot, the setting is to perfect a match for being done in 2 separate occasions. That's why I'm guessing a Hasbro UK photo shoot, and that it was sent out to retailers. The low quality of the Sundance image (grainy and yellowed) suggest that its printed on thin cheap paper like in a toy magazine. Hasbro UK Toy Catalogues for retailers has a high quality/glossy pages that doesn't yellow easy. Thats why I'm guessing that Argos could have reprinted the pic in their advertising, since they also had other "exclusive" stuff like snuzzle with pretty parlor and snuzzle with baby Bow-Tie and stroller., (poor surplus Snuzzle). But it could be from another retailer in UK too, I just don't know of any other that large. But I'm really eager to know what that catalogue collector actually have! It's all guessing and speculations until we know that! And just to make a point (Devils advocate). It is possable to fake a prototype, a variant or even a full production. There are people with enough knowledge and/or access to production equipment that could easily produce something if they had motivation. The question is why bother, it dosent make enough money to warrant the effort and it would take alot of effort to make it pass as real.
All that matters when collecting prototypes is the provenance, and how it was discovered. Like my first shot FF Blue Belle with spots as symbol. She was found in Rhode Island, and looks exactly like the Hasbro Toy Fair catalog - and has traces of white paint under her feet that matches the white painted podiums the ponies were standing on when they were photographed. It's harder with a pony with partial hand painted details though, but the way this pony was found - and how she looks, the finish, makes me really believe in her being a prototype. I think that she really looks like she was made long before collectors started to customize ponies. And now with this catalogue pic being found I feel confident that she is the same one used for that photoshoot. (the coincidence that a CP Sundance being made as a custom, and looking exactly like the one in this picture, which existence is not common knowledge, is also just too slim to me) The important part is that if she is recognized by the community as a prototype, then she is a prototype. We can't prove it any more than she already has been proved. I can only say, that if she was for sale now in the community as a prototype, I would buy her! I can't give any more endorsement than that!
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« on: January 08, 2017, 03:32:31 AM »
Awesome! Well done fpr spotting it. So if Argos did their own photos then there is a chance this pony is knocking about in the UK somewhere...but more likely it's a Hasbro stock photo and the pony is long gone or rotting in a box in the mysterious Hasbro Vault...
It's quite likely that it's the same prototype pony used on the pic, that Ember1 now has in her collection. The pony was "knocking about" in the UK before that if I recall correctly. Quite a few prototypes of european exclusive ponies has been found in UK, I think the creators just took their prototypes home when they were done.
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« on: January 08, 2017, 02:33:54 AM »
Actually I think it is possible that the picture is from an UK Argos catalog, just compare it with this pic: https://www.pinterest.se/pin/405464772686596903/Edit: I borrowed the pic to do a comparison for you visitors can't see pics , please register or login The stable and pony is placed almost exactly the same, exept for the dog is not present, the fence has been moved a little and the left bottom door is closed. What I know Argos arranged their own photos, but that could be investigated. It could be a stock photo from Hasbro. If you compare it with the argos page, it says "Hasbro My Little Pony Show Stable. Complete with "Lemon Drop" pony. I would really like to know what is says about the pic with cp Sundance... Edit again: OK, I'm just going to tell my new and improved hypothesis LOL (since I love to try and solve mysteries, time will tell if this is proven true or not). If this is a stock photo from Hasbro UK, and it was sent to Argos, it could be that Hasbro UK intended to do their own version of "Megans Place", except with just a cheaper reissue of the show stable in the same colors, but updated with a new pony -Sundance! (but this idea was cut) Megans place was introduced in 1985 in North America, and Megan & Sundance was first introduced in UK in 1986. I think this catalogue should have been around 1986. I just need to find it for my catalogue collection ^_^
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« on: January 07, 2017, 05:00:37 PM »
It would've been fine if they hadn't been in our stories. I don't mind at all that we didn't get So Softs or some of the other US ponies, but I mind that they took so much time to advertise these characters. They made us love them, packaged them and then...sent them to you guys to sell there instead. Bitter? Why yes, yes I am.
But it's nice to know that Flutterbye was sold over there. At least it ticks an information box in my brain about releases (and continues to add to demolishing the myth that "Europe" is a block entity where MLP is concerned.) People have sort of bypassed those questions in recent years with all the different Nirvanas, but they're still there and interesting to me...
Yes I can't understand why they didn't just release them in UK too, everything was prepared for it. It looks like they really had something agains the magical breeds. Like some old man sitting at Hasbro UK sales deparment proclaming that "ponies should just be ponies here, we can't twist little childrens minds with magical fantasy creatures (-to bad we just ordered all those comics)". ;P Edit: At least you finally got the first set of rainbow haired mixed breeds, and majesty in 1985. I think that maybe they were delayed a year just because they were unis and pegs..
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« on: January 07, 2017, 04:34:53 PM »
I have a Flutterby moc originated from Sweden (I'm the third owner since she was purchased here in the toy store). We got both the American second release rainbows with the reissue of 4 the first characters + the standing card with the second release rainbows (with a little time span in between).
I haven't concluded if we ever had skydancer and sunlight here in Sweden, but otherwise it looks like we had the full cake.
So wait a minute. You got the US release and the card with the UK artwork, while the UK got nothing? Hasbro genuinely hated us here, didn't they?
But we missed out on the TE ponies, we just got loads of rainbows as a compensation, and Fizzy was my all time favorite growing up while watching The Movie over and over.. I had a hard and unjust childhood too!!
They just hated Europe in general, but I still feel you got the better deal We only had 2/3 of the TE ponies, and none of the pretty 2nd year Rainbows, Pegasi and Unicorns that were all over our comics...
I'm very happy that we got the fable ponies here, since I have had Firefly with me my whole childhood to comfort me from my lack of a Fizzy. I'm truly sorry you never had the unis and pegs, I'm working trough some heavy cataloging of the whole US/european range of ponies (including nirvanas) with the proper release year for each country... And I'm just about to puzzle together 1986... (It will be heavy). It occured to me how much you was left out of in the first years compared to the US release (but hey, we didn't get ponies at all untill 1986 over here in Sweden!)
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« on: January 07, 2017, 04:15:08 PM »
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« on: January 07, 2017, 03:58:40 PM »
I have a Flutterby moc originated from Sweden (I'm the third owner since she was purchased here in the toy store). We got both the American second release rainbows with the reissue of 4 the first characters + the standing card with the second release rainbows (with a little time span in between). I haven't concluded if we ever had skydancer and sunlight here in Sweden, but otherwise it looks like we had the full cake.
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« on: January 07, 2017, 10:59:43 AM »
Yay! Finaly some paper trail to this mysterious pony! Do you know if it was a UK catalog or a US one? My theory has been that UK should have got her with their version of megan since they kind of made the others in that pose to CP ponies...
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« on: January 06, 2017, 11:57:50 AM »
While reading this awesome list I just need to point out: I'ts actually Baby Count-a-Lot with Baby Meadowsweet's hair. Just to keep the records accurate. She even has the elusive pink stripe! Here she is on my instagram: www.instagram.com/p/BOcXY4sBeN9/?taken-by=iponylandI figure she was made in the factory to test out the new type of hair before production of the families (while baby Count-a-Lot was in production, so she modeled it), and then sent to the design studio to evaluate it. Also I see a little mishap with Music Time sharing Blue Belle's spot! This is a great list! Neat idea to keep track of them! Is my colombian purple (with purplish pink hair) baby Blossom still the only one found? I'm feeling there should be more of her by now.
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« on: August 30, 2015, 11:22:43 AM »
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