The MLP Arena
Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: dragonfly on July 15, 2020, 03:17:27 PM
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The original MLP ID site, Dream Valley - on WayBack Machine :D
https://web.archive.org/web/20050228222958/http://dreamvalley-mlp.com/
The ID search page actually works through the Wayback Machine for G1 pony identifications by features! Some of the links might be broken, because Wayback Machine at times can miss some pages, but there is a lot there - I haven't run into any broken pages so far.
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Here's some even earlier links, too :frolic:
https://web.archive.org/web/19990209053651/http://www.cybercomm.net/~mglmlp/dreamvalley/
https://web.archive.org/web/20010427035710/http://dreamvalley.freeyellow.com/
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I actually based my webpage of years ago on her site. I liked the way she had it set up and it was very useful.
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This is the first way I learned about all the ponies and what I used to create wishlists.
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I checked this out. Thanks so much for sharing this link. There's a lot of unique info on the Dream Valley site. Like I was looking at a page about the TEs and saw that Sweet Pop, Speedy, and Sky Rocket were introduced later than the rest of their setmates. I plan to go back and see what other new info I can find on there.
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What a blast from the past! MLP was one of the first things I searched when we got internet service at home in '97-'98. Dream Valley and the TP were the first sites I found. I browsed for hours (when someone didn't need to use the phone), and I based my first collection checklists on its info. There were so many more ponies than I realized! Haha!
I checked this out. Thanks so much for sharing this link. There's a lot of unique info on the Dream Valley site. Like I was looking at a page about the TEs and saw that Sweet Pop, Speedy, and Sky Rocket were introduced later than the rest of their setmates. I plan to go back and see what other new info I can find on there.
Keep in mind that some of the info is outdated/incorrect, but it still has nice pics and was an excellent collectors' resource at the time. I don't think she ever did correct that lavender Woosie was not an international variant, despite numerous US collectors reporting buying her firsthand in US stores.
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I remember reading their episode guide for My Little Pony Tales back in the 2000s, that was before I even saw some of the episodes for the first time.
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I feel silly but I used her checklists for my collection. I still remember when I found that site and started my collection.
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I have seriously ambivalent feelings every time DV gets mentioned.
On the one hand I remember it as the second ever pony site I found (TP was first) and my hour a week at the library when I was 15 and printing out the whole ID pages and getting all excited about all the ponies I never knew existed.
For that I will always love it.
On the other hand, between around 1998 and 2001, DV did not update information on its international sections. And let's just say this created problems. Not updating was a personal choice by DV, because of the sheer volume of people complaining about the errors (which should have been the reason to update, but Idk).
The international pages ultimately got taken down.
That part is a less pleasant memory.
So yeah, I love DV for being that gateway into MLP in the US and pony ID and the internet in the late 1990s and I have a lot of respect for it taking that step and giving us that first site.
On the other hand, I wish it had been better at correcting information sooner, or even at all, in that key crucial period when it was the go-to site and international ponies were flooding onto the market.
DV is an important historical milestone in our community but it should stay in the past and be left there.
Please, nobody go there for pony ID now. There's nothing that DV can tell you that the Wiki can't, and the Wiki is probably more accurate.
I think it's really important to underscore that fact. We've come a long way with our pony knowledge - but most of the problems/errors in information that still endure began with DV, and are still here because of DV.
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I came to pony-collecting too late to visit DV, but am pleased to see that I can go and see what you were all looking at, back in the day!
It's always charming to see first-generation web sites ;)
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Love this site in all its problematic glory! An archived version of DV is still my go-to when I want a quick overview of the G1 line. I'm well aware of the errors, so it works fine for me. I also just find it charming to see what the collectors community's general understanding of the MLP line was at the time and how off it was from reality. And oddly enough, more incorrect info just seemed to be added as time went on? I guess she must've received lots of e-mails from all over the world and tried to piece it together as good as she could. Some might've been outright trolling her and making stuff up.
Nonetheless, I will always remember these figments of people's imaginations...
Finnish BBE Baby Lemon Drop
Prettybow, the yellow pegasus that came with the German Pretty Parlor (apparently still going strong in 2006, with two names neither of which are in German)
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Yellow Glory (which apparently has to exist because yellow Moondancer does. I think this one was added pretty late)
The Pony friends dollls and FT Baby Sundance sold in "other countries"
White Windy, and all the other ponies with faded parts that were stated to be "variations".
T.J.
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I also just find it charming to see what the collectors community's general understanding of the MLP line was at the time and how off it was from reality.
I love this too. You forgot the Finnish exclusive flutter pony Tiny Wings xD. She's written in my notebook from 1998 and I think a note next to her (proven false) or some such. In terms of information it was actually one of the most fun times because you could genuinely discover a difference that now we take for granted. For example, the difference between Confetti or Twisty Tail, or the pearly baby sea ponies. All of that I remember having to discern from drawings on DV vs what I had in my hands...and there was a lot of trial and error.
And oddly enough, more incorrect info just seemed to be added as time went on? I guess she must've received lots of e-mails from all over the world and tried to piece it together as good as she could. Some might've been outright trolling her and making stuff up.
Basically what really happened was the following.
1. Probably a massive inflow of information about G1, because at the time, DV was the only ID site there was. Some of that information likely came from different locales and so probably conflicted.
2. It was common in the late 1990s that people would assume anything they didn't remember themselves would be a foreign variant. So like blue heart dazzleglow, purple woosie, the dolls for the friends. All of those were on DV as UK releases because Kim didn't remember them in her own childhood. Well, resources for info were more limited then.
3. The word 'UK' got used as a byword for "not US". Unfortunately this was also a time period where people would invent 'UK exclusives' that were really just damaged ponies, like faded Posey. That's the 'troll' information if you like in this equation. People trying to make a quick buck out of all the confusion.
4. Kim stopped listening to international pony people in around 1998. I know this especially because I worked with her on editing and fixing the UK section of her site to try and take that burden off her. But although I did that - and still have the page files somewhere - she at some point took the decision to take those down, revert to the old version, and between then and the time when she took the international section down, refused to make corrections to the information on her page. That happened I think in around 2003. I am not sure. I wasn't there, but that's what I was told. What I do know is that she was openly hostile to people who she said were trying to mess up her site with 'wrong' information, and that led to a backlash against some of these people and them being called scammers because they were 'trying to give DV false information'. Of course, what they were actually doing was providing proof that DV's information was wrong :/
So the thing is it was a mix of the internet being primitive, the community being very limited in terms of international people. The fact that international locations had different experiences and would report different things. The existence of people trying to create a scam. And ultimately, Kim deciding international people could not be trusted in terms of their own pony information and thus refusing to work with or listen to us beyond 1998.
...Which is why and when I set up my website, because DV was no longer a viable platform for non-US information.
Most of those things can be overlooked or forgiven within the timeframe of the site and what it did. The last one, though, has really influenced how the whole community has treated information since then. Including giving less trust to international sources when they contradict the US line in some way.
If you think that's an exaggeration, we see it all the time still. Without wanting to point fingers at an older version of a site, MLPMerch included 'NSS Paradise' on their page because a US-based site said she existed, but demanded proof that she didn't exist from international people before they would take her down. And similarly, suggesting ponies were sold in a different order or on a different timeline or with different accessories sometimes meets with a wall of disbelief - because there's an assumption that these ponies were sold "like this" and that's all. And that goes back to DV stating they were sold "like this" in "this year" without mentioning that they were also sold differently somewhere else.
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What a blast from the past! MLP was on of the first things I searched when we got internet service at home in '97-'98. Dream Valley and the TP were the first sites I found. I browsed for hours (when someone didn't need to use the phone), and I based my first collection checklists on its info. There were so many more ponies than I realized! Haha!
Exactly my experience 😁 Phone lines and all!
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back when 2003 was New Ponies. :)
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Without wanting to point fingers at an older version of a site, MLPMerch included 'NSS Paradise' on their page because a US-based site said she existed, but demanded proof that she didn't exist from international people before they would take her down.
That's so silly. You'd think they'd want proof she EXISTS before they put her up, not the other way around. On the other hand, I can understand the confusion around Paradise, since she was advertised and shown in some UK material. And then you have the Brazil version which does exist. For anyone who's new to all this, there's so much potential for misunderstandings. Back in the '90s no one probably could've imagined there were so many different releases of MLP around the world! :biggrin:
The situation with DV... it's just fascinating for me to think about how it could've all happened. With "Prettybow" it's extra interesting. Originally it stated she was "rumored" to having been sold with the German Pretty Parlor. But then over the years more info was added, and her German release was eventually "confirmed". Along with additional information such as an alternative name, the colors of her parlor, her cat and its name etc. All of which turned out to be just nonsense.
But then there was also some information that was corrected, and the corrections stuck (such as no longer labelling all non-US babies as "UK Baby Ponies"). I wonder how many different versions there were of those international pages back in the day. With various things being corrected, and some info becoming more wrong as it updated. :lol:
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In the interest of fairness to MLPMerch, they have now removed Paradise from the site. But the information was taken uncritically from a site that used DV's system, while we were expected to provide proof that that information was wrong. But eh. This is how mainstream ID sites work. They copy data from each other and thus corroborate each other's errors. And then those errors are used to shout down people with actual information to share, which also goes back to DV and how DV dealt with international information.
(In MLPMerch's favour, they did actually sit down and try to do something to repair that. Whether I agree with their current layout or not, they did try.)
I don't know what happened with Pretty Bow because Kim always claimed that she would only add information she could verify. There's no evidence for her German parlour theory, although both the pony and a pink parlour do exist (Argentina)?
The best guess I had is based on circumstantial evidence with how other things were handled. The pony friends doll image came from a US catalogue and I knew the person who sent her that image. She told Kim that it was a US catalogue, but Kim's site says that they were meant to be sold in the US but actually sold elsewhere. The person who sent that image to her is in Canada, though. Maybe Kim made an assumption there based on where the person sent the image from, not the information being conveyed.
Which means maybe someone in Germany had the Argentinian items and sent her images and Kim made the same assumption. Collector in Germany has these = German product. Because S. American ponies were not widely known about back then. I saw a handful of them when Helen came over in 1998 but I think most variants being talked about then were European still.
Making mistakes back then was easily done given how little material was out there. The big problem for me remains that she spent about 5 years refusing to update and not listening to an increasingly frustrated and growing group of people who were literally just trying very very hard to help her out with her information.
I actually wish people didn't dig the site up out of oblivion, or that if it gets dug up, it really needs to come with a disclaimer about the fact it's not a reliable source of pony ID any more. It's a piece of history, but then so are crinolines...it doesn't mean that they have a modern day application.
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awwwww memory's ^.^ it was like my bible back in the early collecting days, i use to hop on daily when i first found it, drooling over ponies i only ever dreamt about having and making check list of accessories i needed and getting info on ponies i just remembered as a child, early days before i found scrap book and strawberry reef and before a friend put me onto the arena :biggrin:
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I never got to use this site (I would of been still playing with the toys 😆) But its great seeing old sites like this from back when!
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Aww this brings back some lovely memories! This was my go-to pony site way before I even knew about the collecting communities online. I used to spend hours browsing through and being amazing seeing all those ponies that were never sold in the UK!
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What a blast from the past! MLP was one of the first things I searched when we got internet service at home in '97-'98. Dream Valley and the TP were the first sites I found. I browsed for hours (when someone didn't need to use the phone), and I based my first collection checklists on its info. There were so many more ponies than I realized! Haha!
what other new info I can find on there.
Same for me! Except my only access to the internet was at my mom’s work on the weekends when she wasn’t using her computer. So I printed out the whole site and put it in a binder. This was back when it was just the backcard images and not the photos. And since the printer was black and white I colored in the images myself.
I still have it, too.
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I started collecting ponies a couple years before internet access and I had sooo many I didn't know the names of! When I finally got online and found Dream Valley . . . I was floored. I spent hours and hours going through the ponies there, identifying the ones I had and adding new ones to my want list!
We were so lucky to have someone who knew, like, 99% of the US ponies AND their accessories (how did she remember them all??) AND what year they came out. Plus summaries of both G1 shows and files of the songs. I've seen modern fandoms that have a lot less comprehensive info!
About the songs--This was back before Youtube existed, and song files were sooo big (comparatively) that most people wouldn't have had them on a site. IIRC Dream Valley didn't have them all at once, but did have a "song of the week". Somehow she even had the lost song from The Glass Princess episode, "Hurry".
My favorite era of Dream Valley was when most of the ID pics were scans from the backcards. I loved the backcards and--I don't know why--found it easier to ID ponies off them compared to photos. Unfortunately a different ID site (MyLittlePonyCollector.com or something like that) shamelessly lifted every single one of Kim's scanned backcards / brochures, after which she started using photos, probably because it didn't have any grey area of "Well, HASBRO technically created them & you only scanned them."
But anyway. So many fond memories.
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aww this brings back fond memories. DV was the first site I used when i started collecting. I was a little late to the party in 2009 but it helped me build my first checklists when I was totally overwhelmed by ebay.
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We were so lucky to have someone who knew, like, 99% of the US ponies AND their accessories (how did she remember them all??) AND what year they came out. Plus summaries of both G1 shows and files of the songs. I've seen modern fandoms that have a lot less comprehensive info!
this!! Don't even get me -started- on how difficult newer stuff can be to ID. Heck, even some more obscure G4 MLP stuff can be hard to find info on!
Somehow she even had the lost song from The Glass Princess episode, "Hurry".
She must've been taping the eps from the beginning, that's all I can think of. I'm thrilled that not only did she have that, but she shared it *and* someone managed to keep a backu-up and eventually put it on YouTube - we'd never be able to hear it otherwise. I still wonder what the heck happened to that sequence.
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Kim had all of them off air recordings from probably some time back then.
I didn't get all the eps from her so I didn't have that one, but there are bits of really old ads between the breaks on the Jem vhs and the MLPtales ones. So I assume that she had them from the time. She also had all the commercials which she would have had from back then as well.
Almost certainly she had the lost song for that reason.
Whatever issues I have with DV over international ID (and they are big issues), the reason DV was able to put together so much US information is because, basically, she was the only one doing it at the time. She had to do it herself from scratch with the knowledge she built up and had, she couldn't just piggyback another site using google because...I'm not sure there even was google back then to do that with xD.
Most G1 ID sites now are not set up by people with that kind of research base or personal knowledge. Mostly they're built by googling existing online ID sites. It's easier to do that, but it's not great. It means there's no real check on errors slipping through. DV actually shows that really well, because the difference in quality between the US DV and the international DV is entirely a matter of her not having the same wealth of information available to her in order to know (or ultimately care) what was going on.
I don't think it's hard to build a knowledge base of G1 in the way Kim did. G1 is also not that complicated in the US, and thanks to her, not particularly mysterious either.
It's more that sites now don't bother going through the steps she did, with the cards and inserts and so on. The internet has got lazy basically, so people think it's hard, but it's not hard. Or maybe I'm just weird.
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I didn't visit her pony site a lot but I remember pretty religiously viewing her Pokémon site back in the day. I think it's a little sad she didn't leave them both up for archival reasons. I'm sure lots of people would still like to visit, even if they aren't being updated anymore.
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I didn't visit her pony site a lot but I remember pretty religiously viewing her Pokémon site back in the day. I think it's a little sad she didn't leave them both up for archival reasons. I'm sure lots of people would still like to visit, even if they aren't being updated anymore.
She would have to pay for that, though. It was on her own domain.
Besides, an ID site should not be left up if the info is out of date. It's not quite the same as a site about fanfic or other kinds of website.
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Oh gosh, I miss this website and I am sad it got taken down vs updated. I know...onward and upward...still. Brings back lots of good memories for me. <3
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I spent so much time on that site when I revisited MLP! I think she even had the OG logo font available for download. I've since only been able to find a slightly similar italicized version of it.
I need to check these old songs out on YouTube! I feel like I remember downloading some of the songs to an old laptop, really wish I still had them as mp3 files.
She must have spent so much time on it, thank goodness for the wayback machine archiving things. Remember web rings? Man that was a bit of nostalgia!
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I spent so much time on that site when I revisited MLP! I think she even had the OG logo font available for download. I've since only been able to find a slightly similar italicized version of it.
The best "G1 logo" fonts I've found are SoutaneBlack and Souvenir Lt BT, do you have either of those? :)
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I enjoyed it more for the stuff about the tv show, like the lyrics and such. And where I realized that I hate how I don't know where my VHS went of the Glass Princess because it was taped from the tv and I had the whole episode with the SONG :sad: I watched that part with the song, over and over, memorizing it and didn't know that the distributed VHS never had that song in it, then the Disney Channel not having it either. I COULD HAVE SHOWED THE WORLD. :cloud:
And still sad that I could have also had the songs missing from the second episode of Tambelon and second episode of Flight To Cloud Castle because I had those taped from the tv as well but I taped over one with stupid stuff and the other was probably my dad. :cry: That's the only thing I'd want to go back in time for, the precious MLP animations...
Anyway, didn't know all that other stuff with the information was happening, I was in my own little world :blush:
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Did Tambelon/Cloud Castle ever actually go to air with those songs, though? Tambelon was definitely meant to have one, but I was under the impression it got cut during production.
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By the time I had even the faintest idea that pony collecting was a thing, Dream Valley was long gone. It was fun to look through it on the wayback machine though; there's just something about old websites, y'know?
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I have seriously ambivalent feelings every time DV gets mentioned.
On the one hand I remember it as the second ever pony site I found (TP was first) and my hour a week at the library when I was 15 and printing out the whole ID pages and getting all excited about all the ponies I never knew existed.
For that I will always love it.
On the other hand, between around 1998 and 2001, DV did not update information on its international sections. And let's just say this created problems. Not updating was a personal choice by DV, because of the sheer volume of people complaining about the errors (which should have been the reason to update, but Idk).
The international pages ultimately got taken down.
That part is a less pleasant memory.
So yeah, I love DV for being that gateway into MLP in the US and pony ID and the internet in the late 1990s and I have a lot of respect for it taking that step and giving us that first site.
On the other hand, I wish it had been better at correcting information sooner, or even at all, in that key crucial period when it was the go-to site and international ponies were flooding onto the market.
DV is an important historical milestone in our community but it should stay in the past and be left there.
Please, nobody go there for pony ID now. There's nothing that DV can tell you that the Wiki can't, and the Wiki is probably more accurate.
I think it's really important to underscore that fact. We've come a long way with our pony knowledge - but most of the problems/errors in information that still endure began with DV, and are still here because of DV.
You mean pretty bow isn’t a UK exclusive?!?! 😂😂😂 oh man what a trip down memory lane!
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You mean pretty bow isn’t a UK exclusive?!?! 😂😂😂 oh man what a trip down memory lane!
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Though in seriousness, there was a lot of unpleasantness at the time. It was very hard to be someone not from the US when DV was the only site dictating what ponies were sold everywhere.
And it took a lot of work to get to the point that we have the better int'l knowledge we have today. Which is absolutely no thanks to DV.
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You mean pretty bow isn’t a UK exclusive?!?! 😂😂😂 oh man what a trip down memory lane!
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Though in seriousness, there was a lot of unpleasantness at the time. It was very hard to be someone not from the US when DV was the only site dictating what ponies were sold everywhere.
And it took a lot of work to get to the point that we have the better int'l knowledge we have today. Which is absolutely no thanks to DV.
When did you make your site, Taffeta?
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You mean pretty bow isn’t a UK exclusive?!?! 😂😂😂 oh man what a trip down memory lane!
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Though in seriousness, there was a lot of unpleasantness at the time. It was very hard to be someone not from the US when DV was the only site dictating what ponies were sold everywhere.
And it took a lot of work to get to the point that we have the better int'l knowledge we have today. Which is absolutely no thanks to DV.
I hear you! I remember people including you challenging the norm of dream valley for years! I always checked other sites and reference other sites including yours before dream valley!
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@Haruna - the first thing I actually did was rewrite DV's international sections because Kim was busy. She was a trade partner of mine for a while and I wanted to help. That was around 1998.
When for some reason she decided our information was unreliable and reverted back to the wrong version, I set up my website. Although it was also contributed to by other people, and continues to be even now.
Right now I can't find the oldest version of my site, but the wayback has this one from 2001 (recorded in 2009 I think, but you can tell by IPD and other things that it's from 2001)
https://web.archive.org/web/20081009204216/http://www.taffeta.250x.com/ponypage/idhome.htm
I think that's the third iteration. The first didn't have frames. SO I estimate the first version was in 1999ish. Maybe 1998, but certainly 1999 for the first version. There isn't a trace of that one I can find right now though, because I don't remember the URL. If the pictures work, you will see ponies tortured by being shoved into scanners >.>.
There are definitely things on that site that I would organise differently, details I've fine tuned, questions I've answered and in some cases, errors I'd remove. But it was a product of it's time.
My older sites only dealt with ponies not sold in the US, including variants (this was pre the term Nirvana), so whatever was on that link was what was known about in 2001 regarding variants (and may be errorprone, as a lot more work has been done since by better people).
Unlike DV, I have always wanted people to send me information, corrections and updates. And I have always worked hard to fix things where they aren't quite right. If you don't do that, you shouldn't really be running any kind of website. Which is why IMO DV failed.
I did just learn that my coral Starglow was actually bought at the toy fair here in the UK, though. Which not only tells me I have had her a lot longer than I realised, but also that she may well be a UK exclusive based on other people's input.
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Ah, who starts things, is often not good, no? Like with Helixchamber in Pokemon fandom.
But I liked seeing old site. I still saw it online few years ago.
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Right now I can't find the oldest version of my site, but the wayback has this one from 2001 (recorded in 2009 I think, but you can tell by IPD and other things that it's from 2001)
https://web.archive.org/web/20081009204216/http://www.taffeta.250x.com/ponypage/idhome.htm
Non Beddy Bye eyes ponies? Non So soft ponies? Oh no Taffeta, you didnt! :dropjaw: :biggrin:
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Right now I can't find the oldest version of my site, but the wayback has this one from 2001 (recorded in 2009 I think, but you can tell by IPD and other things that it's from 2001)
https://web.archive.org/web/20081009204216/http://www.taffeta.250x.com/ponypage/idhome.htm
Non Beddy Bye eyes ponies? Non So soft ponies? Oh no Taffeta, you didnt! :dropjaw: :biggrin:
Haha I know, it's terrible isn't it XDD
I quit using those terms somewhere around 2010 when I realised that using them (especially NSS) was conflating the idea of one collective set. And the non-thing always sounded horrible to me, so I felt like, when I did the current site, I was going to do away with the terms.
But if you look at some of the older images on my site they are labelled as 'nss' still in their filename.
The thing is in my defence, the original role of the scrapbook was actually to help people in the US understand ponies in Europe, rather than a site for UK people or Europeans. Because there weren't so very many of us...
But yeah, I look back at some things on that link and cringe. I almost didn't share it because I knew someone would poke me about it ;)
It's a sign we can all learn from past mistakes though, right??
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Oh wow... I still remember sitting in front of our old boxy monitor, waiting for the dial up internet to get going so I could look at all the ponies on this website. I literally brought my ponies into the dining room so I could have them sitting there on the desk while I looked them up through the ID!
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The curse that made me realize I needed more than 8 ponies.
Imagine living in a dreamvalley where you believe you only need 8 more ponies to complete your collection?
Back in like 1996-7ish, me...at a flea market for the first time ever talking to another MLP collector. She tells me that if I got online I could buy and trade with other collectors.
Me so young, hum (24-25ish!!! wow). So I set out to get the internet. SO I could get those 8 little jerks who eluded me the previous 15 years.
What is the first thing this young 20something looks for, yes, that's right. Ponies.
What is the first thing that comes up on her shiny new internets? Yes, that's right, Dream Valley.
Wow, cool someone else actually likes MLP besides me....wait...WHAT!?!?!?!?! What is this international pony stuff????
...wait WHO THE HECK IS SNOWFLAKE!!!! And Gypsy and Honeycomb and Hopscotch....noNOooooooooooo!!!! (cries tears of sadness but internal collector demon laughs evilly inside me) My precious....I must have you Gypsy!!!!
What is this chatroom stuff...
hum, joins chatroom.
Starts talking to pony collectors. And finds out I really enjoy chasing off trolls.
Daily starts talking to pony collectors from all over the world...and chasing off trolls.
And now, in 96-97 this KarentheUnicorn who used to be just Unicorn back then realizes it's not a small world after all and I need more than 8 ponies now).
Thanks Dream Valley...for ruining my life but also making my life bigger so I could find other people who love MLP as much as I do.
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I still call you Uni ;)
I'm wondering if DV chat was where we met now, actually...it was a long time ago. I know we used to chat originally on...ICQ? But I guess DV chat was probably the place.
DV Chat - one of the best things DV had until it got shut down for the aforementioned trolling.
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I still call you Uni ;)
I'm wondering if DV chat was where we met now, actually...it was a long time ago. I know we used to chat originally on...ICQ? But I guess DV chat was probably the place.
DV Chat - one of the best things DV had until it got shut down for the aforementioned trolling.
It was probably DV chat room. Then it spread over to whatever else came along. We may have chatted a lot on MSN messanger at some point as I remember my internet switched at some point back then to msn.
I think even PonyPolooza may have been initially setup using the chatroom or at least it was one of the ways word spread about the meet or maybe it was the trading post? I think both PP's were in 1999 and in 2000, so I can't really remember as it's all sorta a blur now and I couldn't tell you for sure where the initiation spark started on that original MLP collectors meet.
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The curse that made me realize I needed more than 8 ponies.
:haha: So true ha ha
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Right now I can't find the oldest version of my site, but the wayback has this one from 2001 (recorded in 2009 I think, but you can tell by IPD and other things that it's from 2001)
https://web.archive.org/web/20081009204216/http://www.taffeta.250x.com/ponypage/idhome.htm
Non Beddy Bye eyes ponies? Non So soft ponies? Oh no Taffeta, you didnt! :dropjaw: :biggrin:
Haha I know, it's terrible isn't it XDD
I quit using those terms somewhere around 2010 when I realised that using them (especially NSS) was conflating the idea of one collective set. And the non-thing always sounded horrible to me, so I felt like, when I did the current site, I was going to do away with the terms.
But if you look at some of the older images on my site they are labelled as 'nss' still in their filename.
The thing is in my defence, the original role of the scrapbook was actually to help people in the US understand ponies in Europe, rather than a site for UK people or Europeans. Because there weren't so very many of us...
But yeah, I look back at some things on that link and cringe. I almost didn't share it because I knew someone would poke me about it ;)
It's a sign we can all learn from past mistakes though, right??
Sorry, could not resist! :D But I think we have all been there at some point, and thats the fun thing about MLP, that there is always something more to discover, or revalue your own thinking and belives :)