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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: Mana Minori on July 12, 2020, 04:29:58 AM
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So I see a lot of people in g4 fandom kinda hating PL...
And all I can think of is...no joke, “didn’t you guys ask for this?”
G4 fandom: ponies much cute. Even cuter if we draw them like cats! Here pony playing with yarn. Here pony in box.
Hasbro: ok. We’ll wrap up g4 and make a spinoff. Call it Pony Life. Yes. Ponies will look like cats and act like hyper cats. Much like. Yes.
G4 fandom: what this? Much hate. No. -hisssss
It really does seem to me that the writers for this spinoff made PL with the g4 fandom in mind- which explains the ponies being very cat-like, because the g4 fandom started trending it. It explains why the series was written as if watchers of it already had prior knowledge of the Pony world and characters to get a LOT of the flanderized jokes that Pony Life hits with. But the irony seems to be that while it seems (to me) that this spinoff was made as a result of the g4 fans overhyping and portraying the ponies as cats in the first place, (I have seen this being done for many years, so it is nothing new), they seem to detest it when Hasbro jumps on the bandwagon and seemingly tries to impress the fans who were all but asking for it, in the first place.
What do you guys think?
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I strongly disagree that this was made for FiM fans. I and my fellow FiM fans never asked for cats. Some of them made cat art and jokes, but how is that actually asking for cats? We never asked for an ugly art style either. And the flanderization makes most of us unhappy. Me and a lot of other FiM fans want G5 with lore and world building.
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I strongly disagree that this was made for FiM fans. I and my fellow FiM fans never asked for cats. Some of them made cat art and jokes, but how is that actually asking for cats? We never asked for an ugly art style either. And the flanderization makes most of us unhappy. Me and a lot of other FiM fans want G5 with lore and world building.
i don’t think fans would have necessarily had to ask for someone at Hasbro to take notice of the trends- just like how fans showed that they wanted more background ponies and started naming them and popularizing them, and Hasbro took it and ran the whole nine yards with it. Fans show by their actions, and Hasbro just seems to respond with it. There has been a LOT of catering to what fans wanted in FiM, and in EG, so you can’t blame be for looking at Pony Life and seeing areas In part where one can see obvious signs of the panda.
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No, this is nothing like background ponies. Those were actually desired. No one asked for literal catness. And nothing else about Pony Life appeals to most FiM fans. It's too TTG for most people. I don't think it's that bad but nothing like I or others want.
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Nope, not in the slightest.
They don't even act like cats that much? And there's a big difference between a fan thinking it would be cute if they acted like cats and the source material being cats.
Besides, I don't think catponies were that beloved by the general fandom? I think a more accurate version of a fan-pandering show would be background ponies getting the forefront.
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Design-wise? Nah. More like trend pandering and extreme laziness.
Cartoon-wise-Its hard to say if its fan pandering, or copying TTG and TCR? Probably both.
Post Merge: July 12, 2020, 08:15:19 AM
Nope, not in the slightest.
They don't even act like cats that much? And there's a big difference between a fan thinking it would be cute if they acted like cats and the source material being cats.
Besides, I don't think catponies were that beloved by the general fandom? I think a more accurate version of a fan-pandering show would be background ponies getting the forefront.
Hasbro has shoved background ponies in the forefront dating all the way back to MLP n Friends. They've done the same with TF, presumably GI Joe, (I haven't watched it in ages) and JATH. That's nothing new or strictly Hasbro.
Few companies are above promoting background or b listers if it means extra money. Take the slew of comic chars getting their own movies for example.
Like Harley Quinn was initially just a new villain in the 90s Batman cartoon. Now she's been in two movies, and has her own show.
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Why would Hasbro pander to a small part of an adult fandom when they make their money off of children?
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I think Hasbro just looked at current trends in cartoons and based PL off that.
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I think Hasbro just looked at current trends in cartoons and based PL off that.
This.
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I think Hasbro just looked at current trends in cartoons and based PL off that.
This.
Yeeeah, pretty much.
I think it's fair to say that the continued Mane 6 spam should be evidence enough that they're not pandering.
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Why would Hasbro pander to a small part of an adult fandom when they make their money off of children?
They've done so in the past.
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Why would Hasbro pander to a small part of an adult fandom when they make their money off of children?
They've done so in the past.
Yeah, I guess they have.
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I don’t think it’s pandering to the older fans. Last I checked, nobody really said “aww gee, wouldn’t it be nice if TTG and FIM had a brainchild together?”
I would consider it pandering if they made background ponies the mane cast.
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pandering to who? O_o I've hardly read any positive things about it. Is this really anything anyone has asked for or wanted? I really don't think so.
And a direct comment to OP-- I've NEVER read that anyone wanted ponies to look like cats. In fact, especially here, people have always wanted ponies to look more pony-like.
It's just a little silly gen inbetweener. *shrug* And the look is based on current trends, as others have mentioned.
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Why would Hasbro pander to a small part of an adult fandom when they make their money off of children?
because those adults are passionate and have money, and Hasbro have taken many opportunities to Panda before? In the show, in the toyline...
Why else do we have so many “fan favorite” toyline releases, with :muffin: Pony, Doctor Hooves, Lyra, Bon Bon, DJ Pon3, And Octavia? And the 100th episode focused on them, :muffin: Pony being shaken constantly after made memes out of by the fandom.....
Post Merge: July 12, 2020, 01:18:20 PM
I don’t think it’s pandering to the older fans. Last I checked, nobody really said “aww gee, wouldn’t it be nice if TTG and FIM had a brainchild together?”
I would consider it pandering if they made background ponies the mane cast.
the art style, I think is Hasbro’s own attempt at mimicking the CaLArts style, after seeing how stupid popular it has been in shows like TTG, AT, Gumball, Thundercats, etc. I was mainly talking about character appearance rather than animated style.
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Wasn't popular though. CN literally shoves TTG onto the schedule for days at a time, and TCR was ripped to shreds and recieved low views from what I understand.
Cartoon Network is just filled with pathetic desperate corporate heads who are too stupid to realize that they are the reason they've sunk their own ship.
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What's wrong with cats? :(
edit: I don't have a horse cat in this race. I don't watch the show and didn't watch FiM either past season 2.
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What's wrong with cats? :(
Nothing, except ponies aren't jawless cats.
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What's wrong with cats? :(
Well, it's not called My Little Kitty, now is it? :P
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Why would Hasbro pander to a small part of an adult fandom when they make their money off of children?
This. It's made to appeal to children. Biggest influence IMO is Teen Titans Go. While a lot of adults hate that TTG . . . it has great ratings with kids.
Like, I'm not thrilled about it but this is just something you have to live with when you're an adult fan of a children's franchise.
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Personally I'm happier if MLP is being targeted to the kids of whatever generation. The adults just have to lump it. They had their turn to be a pony child, if they missed it, tough - don't ruin it for the young'uns. If you know what I mean?
I'm gonna sound super-old now but I'm glad I grew up with MLP before the internet happened xD.
Brony opinion is just not important to anyone except bronies. And our opinion on brony opinion is even less important still, in the bigger picture of MLP decisions.
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What's wrong with cats? :(
edit: I don't have a horse cat in this race. I don't watch the show and didn't watch FiM either past season 2.
Yeah yeah. Don't try to play it cool. Word on the street is, you've placed high bets on the orange tabby to win it. :biggrin:
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Nah, the tortie cats will win! They have tortitude. :)
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Nah, the tortie cats will win! They have tortitude. :)
:lol:
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the art style, I think is Hasbro’s own attempt at mimicking the CaLArts style,
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As someone who watches a lot of cartoons can I just take this opportunity to say how sick I am of that term.
Personally I'm happier if MLP is being targeted to the kids of whatever generation. The adults just have to lump it. They had their turn to be a pony child, if they missed it, tough - don't ruin it for the young'uns. If you know what I mean?
I think this is a sweet way to think of it! It's just bonus points for me because I like some of the trends they're capitilizing off of.
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Yes, the "CalArts Style" term is garbage. And the man who started throwing it around to belittle modern cartoons as "looking too samey" is not only a jerk and a hack, but hardly one to talk since his own art style has remained the same since Dexter's Lab.
It's true that pretty much all modern kids' cartoons are super-stylized (and increasingly in a "chibi" way), but it's all in different flavors. I do miss having some more realist/semi-realist styles around, but for most of these shows it does work. It's their thing, and they own it. Pony Life, though.. the stylization feels like G3.5 all over again, except the heads look like cat heads instead of like cartoon caterpillar heads.
Re: Teen Titans Go and ThunderCats Roar, they got slammed partly for being just lolrandom gag shows... and out of fans' resentment that the networks decided to commission chibi lolrandom gag show versions of what had been serious to semi-serious properties (with decent-quality social commentary) instead of reviving the Teen Titans and ThunderCats (2011) cartoons, both of which got cut short with unresolved stories.
I don't see that happening to Pony Life, since G4 was (finally) given a proper ending after running itself thoroughly out of steam. Although, there might be some resentment going the other way, considering how the G4 toyline spammed the Mane 6 to death
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I haven't even watched anything of 'pony life' even once. Heck I even missed the last half of the last season of FIM. I've not purchased any of the new 'weird' looking toys either.
So if they're pandering it isn't to me. But ya know, I'm okay with that. there is plenty of pony surrounding me to keep me happy till Hasbro figures out how to draw ponies again.
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I haven't even watched anything of 'pony life' even once. Heck I even missed the last half of the last season of FIM. I've not purchased any of the new 'weird' looking toys either.
So if they're pandering it isn't to me. But ya know, I'm okay with that. there is plenty of pony surrounding me to keep me happy till Hasbro figures out how to draw ponies again.
The funny thing is, they clearly still know what a horse looks like. Given SDCC Twilight, Retro Mane Six pack and the Crossover Ponies. That's what annoys me.
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Not everything is about bronies, thank goodness.
I can see some similarities to fanart and fanon. But at the same time FiM got so much fanart... remember the time the Bronies "invented" ponies wearing socks and then freaked out because they discovered G3 Minty was a sock collector and wore them years before they came up with it? Lol... sometimes they think they influence everything at Hasbro, even through time travel :lol:
So I don't think PL is a direct reaction to their wants and needs. More like taylored for young audiences who like L.O.L. and blind bags and stuff.
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I have never seen anyone ask for the ponies to be catlike =p It just seems to have happened though I look at PonyLife and still don't see cats. I see the kind of common cartoon style that I personally am not a fan of.