So, for clarity, Baby Lickety Split is a Play and Care Set Baby, a Beddy Bye Eye Baby and a First Tooth baby. Three separate things, all with their own clear set identifiers. So there is BBE Baby Lickety, FT Baby Lickety and PACS baby Lickety. There is NOT 'NBBE' Baby Lickety.
Hasbro didn't make 'non-' ponies.
Now I got that out of the way.
I have FIRST TOOTH baby Lickety Split. I also have PLAY AND CARE SET Baby Lickety Split MIB.
And I have a BEDDY BYE EYE one as well.
So that's three for me.
My sister has a loose PLAY AND CARE SET one. I am not sure if she has the others.
Trivia - in one pony comic, PLAY AND CARE SET Baby Lickety introduces FIRST TOOTH baby Lickety as her cousin :)
ehhh NBBE is a fine moniker in general, especially since not all of the NBBEs are Play and Care. But it is kind of an unwieldy name for Lickety since there's two versions of her that could be considered "NBBE".I can see what you're saying - you mean Baby Half Note and Tiddly Winks and Cuddles, right? But if they came out first as regular versions, can they legitimately be called non-versions of something that came out later? I'm not sure about that myself tbh.
I can see what you're saying - you mean Baby Half Note and Tiddly Winks and Cuddles, right? But if they came out first as regular versions, can they legitimately be called non-versions of something that came out later? I'm not sure about that myself tbh.
I can see what you're saying - you mean Baby Half Note and Tiddly Winks and Cuddles, right? But if they came out first as regular versions, can they legitimately be called non-versions of something that came out later? I'm not sure about that myself tbh.
I don't see why not! They don't have BBE = NBBE = makes sense to me. (Half Note's a weird case anyway, weren't the two versions of her sold at the same time, or something else odd like that?)
as for the rest, we'll have to agree to disagree *shrug* I think they're both fine and valid names (except for Lickety here, like I said :P in which case I completely agree that NBBE is a confusing term for her. God knows why they made three different versions of her). for me NBBE is a positive term since I can't stand BBEs... also I think it's kinda clearer than PACS. It's hardly the only unofficial term we use for ponies - and idk that I really agree with you terming it a "US-centric" term since we had BBEs over here too? (well "Lullabye eyes" but still) But like I said, agree to disagree.
Eh, to me there are not correct terms that are fine and inoffensive, like "Tales Ponies" for example. And those which are the opposite, because they're saying, "this pony is a version of a pony sold in America but it's missing something." "Tales Ponies" also doesn't doesn't misinform anyone, because it applies very simply to a limited set of 7 and we all know which ones. It's actually helpful because the set has multiple names across its two years of release. But these terms are not the same as that. They actually do the opposite.
Unless people would be OK with widespread adoption of set names like Non-Movie Star Ponies and Non-Play and Care Set Ponies, it's hard to argue any motivation for it other than geography. And the other problem is both the NBBE and NSS terms incorporate more ponies than the sets they attempt to describe. In both cases that leads to misinformation as well, which is my nemesis as you guys know. (I can't tell you how sick I am of people talking about this mythical UK NSS Posey, who then becomes Movie Star Posey when folk want to be placatory, although no such pony exists...but that's a whole other rant for another day).
It's not really an agree to disagree subject to me, honestly. It's just wrong information and when people who know better reinforce the wrong information, new collectors pick it up and it continues. If you dug up old versions of my site or even some of the old file names, you'll see that I used the terms as well for a long time until I realised they were causing misinformation and perpetuating the US pony-Everything Else divide which isn't a realistic representation of how MLP was sold on a global level. So I don't use those terms any more.
Non also doesn't become a positive term just because an individual person doesn't personally like the alternative. And with Baby Lickety it's often worse, as I've seen her described more than once as NBBE NFT Baby Lickety Split. As opposed to Play & Care Set Baby Lickety Split, which is what she actually is.
So, for clarity, Baby Lickety Split is a Play and Care Set Baby, a Beddy Bye Eye Baby and a First Tooth baby. Three separate things, all with their own clear set identifiers. So there is BBE Baby Lickety, FT Baby Lickety and PACS baby Lickety. There is NOT 'NBBE' Baby Lickety.
Hasbro didn't make 'non-' ponies.
Now I got that out of the way.
I have FIRST TOOTH baby Lickety Split. I also have PLAY AND CARE SET Baby Lickety Split MIB.
And I have a BEDDY BYE EYE one as well.
So that's three for me.
My sister has a loose PLAY AND CARE SET one. I am not sure if she has the others.
Trivia - in one pony comic, PLAY AND CARE SET Baby Lickety introduces FIRST TOOTH baby Lickety as her cousin :)
So, for clarity, Baby Lickety Split is a Play and Care Set Baby, a Beddy Bye Eye Baby and a First Tooth baby. Three separate things, all with their own clear set identifiers. So there is BBE Baby Lickety, FT Baby Lickety and PACS baby Lickety. There is NOT 'NBBE' Baby Lickety.
Hasbro didn't make 'non-' ponies.
Now I got that out of the way.
I have FIRST TOOTH baby Lickety Split. I also have PLAY AND CARE SET Baby Lickety Split MIB.
And I have a BEDDY BYE EYE one as well.
So that's three for me.
My sister has a loose PLAY AND CARE SET one. I am not sure if she has the others.
Trivia - in one pony comic, PLAY AND CARE SET Baby Lickety introduces FIRST TOOTH baby Lickety as her cousin :)
Clooooone Cousins.
PnC Lickety looks at BBE and says My! What big eyes you have!
The bettah to see you wif my dear. Replies BBE
And to FT Lickety: My what a big toof you have!
The bettah to nom you wif my dear. She says.
So, for clarity, Baby Lickety Split is a Play and Care Set Baby, a Beddy Bye Eye Baby and a First Tooth baby. Three separate things, all with their own clear set identifiers. So there is BBE Baby Lickety, FT Baby Lickety and PACS baby Lickety. There is NOT 'NBBE' Baby Lickety.
Hasbro didn't make 'non-' ponies.
Now I got that out of the way.
I have FIRST TOOTH baby Lickety Split. I also have PLAY AND CARE SET Baby Lickety Split MIB.
And I have a BEDDY BYE EYE one as well.
So that's three for me.
My sister has a loose PLAY AND CARE SET one. I am not sure if she has the others.
Trivia - in one pony comic, PLAY AND CARE SET Baby Lickety introduces FIRST TOOTH baby Lickety as her cousin :)
Clooooone Cousins.
PnC Lickety looks at BBE and says My! What big eyes you have!
The bettah to see you wif my dear. Replies BBE
And to FT Lickety: My what a big toof you have!
The bettah to nom you wif my dear. She says.
You're a crazy person.
Have a cookie ;) :cookie:
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Firstly - logic. You've already demonstrated the problem with the terms. You've both said the terms are interchangeable with PACS or NSS and that they're not.
Magenta Posey, Truly, Cupcake are not Movie Star ponies. So NSS=/=Movie Star. But then if you expand it, we have multiple regular versions of Gusty, Cherries Jubilee and Lickety as well as Posey to factor in. I've seen all these described as NSS and also not described as NSS. Thus the term is unhelpful as it has blurred boundaries. It also ties them to the wrong timeline. The Wiki section on these is horrible because it's attempting to link them to the SS set, and as a result, ponies are missing.
With PACS, if NBBE=PACS, what about Baby Applejack? Baby Cotton Candy? Baby Blossom? All PACS ponies. But Baby Cuddles, Half Note, Tiddly Winks are not PACS babies. Do they have a regular version? Yes. But if we expand the parameters beyond PACS ponies, technically D&W Baby Cuddles then qualifies as a NBBE Baby Cuddles. Again, blurry and unhelpful parameters.
They're both relics of a time when we knew not much. And now we know more, they should have disappeared. The reason they haven't is because ID sites still don't know what to do with these ponies or how to correct their timelines. And so it persists.
Why does it matter to me? Because misinformation hurts people. In the late 1990s International people got backlash for trying to correct DV's information, and were called scammers if they tried to sell something DV didn't acknowledge/misnamed. You said nobody calls me to task for using those terms (ironically in a post in which you are calling me to task for using them, heh), but I've been both threatened and called a wide range of names over the years. Setting up the website made me a target, although the reason I set it up was to counteract DV's refusal to correct information. I really never intended to, but it kind of happened that way.
But the thing is, standing up and sticking to the facts mean that now 90% of DV's myths are gone. More importantly, all the bad backlash has gone and we can now discuss it fairly politely in threads like this. I think that's gotta be a good thing, right?
People take most of that information for granted now, but I think that's also a good thing.
So to me this isn't about personal preference, but access to information. I feel like personal preference relates to how you term your own collection. Like if you want to make Moondancer a boy, or call Bubbles Snoodlepop, or any of those things. It's absolutely fine. I really don't care.
But when you're posting generically on a public forum where there may be members less informed than you, using incorrect terminology to me is a problem. And ditto on an ID site. Then you have a responsibility to be accurate. So those are the times I challenge the use of the terms.
I also feel like NBBE and NSS imply negative things about the sets in general, and that's why I stopped using them. They're a reminder of that time, which also makes me want to eradicate them for good.