The MLP Arena

Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: Mana Minori on May 17, 2020, 10:32:42 PM

Title: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Mana Minori on May 17, 2020, 10:32:42 PM
I know that Hasbro most likely won’t ever green light a multi-generational pony movie where all gens receive equal love, much in the way that “YuGiOh- Bonds beyond Time” tended to do, but- I have been dreaming of such a thing happening for a while now. (Even if it’s not officially made).

So how would a multi-generation pony movie go down? I imagine that Hasbro would want to capitalize on the g4 cash cow for as long as possible, so the movie might start with them as the focus. I think there’s a lot of potential with involving Captain Celeano and her pirate crew from the 2017 pony movie, again. Perhaps Twi and friends get invited by Celeano to sketch for the fabled “treasure island” with them. Then a storm grounds their airship (insert de-ja-vu comment) on a random island, where they meet up with G3 Kimono, who wants them off the island, but the pirates get wise that she’s hiding the secret of the location of the treasure. Kimono reluctantly leads them to the local residents, the Takara ponies, after which the island (Takarajima) is named after. Milky and Pinky deny knowing the location of the treasure the pirates are after. But the mane 6 start snooping around (namely Twilight), and gets pushed down an old abandoned well by someone in the dark. Well leads to Alt dimension, where she meets g1 Firefly before she leaves to get help from a Megan for the first time. Events replay with the Statodons and Firefly takes Twilight with her over the rainbow, but they find a cloaked figure waiting for them, and mutters something about lost happiness for them and for no one. They manage to force Firefly and Twi into the we’ll only Megan’s property. Another time jump to g2. Rinse, repeat, until all 4 main gens are together and Twilight figured out that The villain messing with them and their worlds is one of their own- A pony, but a Takara pony under the evil cloak. The four gen ponies use their powers combined to do some dues ex magic and get back into the present Treasure island, where villain is u covered as a rogue Takara who has been having the Lilly flower (seen commonly on their art) as a reminder to return to happiness, by the resident Takaras who had earlier had to banish her. More pony magic to blast ome sense into villain and reform her. The four gen ponies agree to always be friends forever and make friends with reformed villain before she sends them back to their own times again. 

How would you guys manage a multigen pony movie, if it was put in your care? What do you think Hasbro might do, as far as involvement goes?
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Pokeyonekenobie on May 17, 2020, 10:55:43 PM
I could see them utilizing a dimensional hole that they fall into and when they get to the different dimension, their appearance reflects the dimension they are in and they have to get back to their own dimension, kind of like the Fairly Oddparents did in their Channel Chasers special.  So when the ponies fall into the Dream Valley Dimension, they look like G1 ponies, when they get to the next dimension, they'd look like G2 ponies, etc., but they'd still keep their own colors/cutie marks/personalities.  Each dimension would teach them something that would help them get home and could easily introduce the next generation this way.
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on May 18, 2020, 06:58:09 AM
I could see them utilizing a dimensional hole that they fall into and when they get to the different dimension, their appearance reflects the dimension they are in and they have to get back to their own dimension, kind of like the Fairly Oddparents did in their Channel Chasers special.  So when the ponies fall into the Dream Valley Dimension, they look like G1 ponies, when they get to the next dimension, they'd look like G2 ponies, etc., but they'd still keep their own colors/cutie marks/personalities.  Each dimension would teach them something that would help them get home and could easily introduce the next generation this way.

Perfect!
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Zapper on May 18, 2020, 07:15:46 AM
If they really did that it would probably turn out like the animated Ninja Turtles crossover, where the older gens were spoofed and dumbed down in favor of the newer ones. Only in this case it would probably ignore G2 completely, dumb down G3 to what the Bronies see in it (they'd always cry and drink tea), while G1 would be dignified but really weak since they can't do Overlord-Magic like the FiMmers. I could also see the comics and cartoons be merged and having an animated Majesty there as the G1 Celestia stand-in.

I honestly hope they'd never do any type of "dimension" crossover at this point because I don't want to see MLP as a multiverse in that way. They have Equestria Girls for that kind of stuff. Comparing the older gens to FiM is just not a good idea because the fandom is already split and broken as is (and we are still in the FiM era, let's be honest. Pony Life is using FiM characters, IDW comics is using the FiM characters, and so on). Crossovers would lead to an even bigger bashing of anything that came before FiM.

I'd much rather see older gen characters being recycled for newer gens like they did with Applejack (from G1 to G4).
This way the design and name comes back in toy form but it's a new take on the character story-wise. That's a good way to please older fans as well. At least in my opinion. AJ was my first favorite from FiM mostly because she looked like a modern G1. Great nostalgia bait :P
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on May 18, 2020, 07:22:19 AM
If they really did that it would probably turn out like the animated Ninja Turtles crossover, where the older gens were spoofed and dumbed down in favor of the newer ones. Only in this case it would probably ignore G2 completely, dumb down G3 to what the Bronies see in it (they'd always cry and drink tea), while G1 would be dignified but really weak since they can't do Overlord-Magic like the FiMmers. I could also see the comics and cartoons be merged and having an animated Majesty there as the G1 Celestia stand-in.

I honestly hope they'd never do any type of "dimension" crossover at this point because I don't want to see MLP as a multiverse in that way. They have Equestria Girls for that kind of stuff. Comparing the older gens to FiM is just not a good idea because the fandom is already split and broken as is (and we are still in the FiM era, let's be honest. Pony Life is using FiM characters, IDW comics is using the FiM characters, and so on). Crossovers would lead to an even bigger bashing of anything that came before FiM.

I'd much rather see older gen characters being recycled for newer gens like they did with Applejack (from G1 to G4).
This way the design and name comes back in toy form but it's a new take on the character story-wise. That's a good way to please older fans as well. At least in my opinion. AJ was my first favorite from FiM mostly because she looked like a modern G1. Great nostalgia bait :P

Ouch good point! Especially considering how mean spirited immature and crude Hasbroken has been to past ponies this gen.
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Zapper on May 18, 2020, 07:40:43 AM
We only have to look at their official YT channel that released all those weird Behind The Music-esque videos on G1, that were all mostly meanspirited parodies (like censoring a pony's privates, implying Megan took drugs and other Adult Swim humor). If they did this to their boy brands the nerds would rip them to shreds (Turtles fans were tearing these crossovers a new one for daring to imply he 80s Turtles were stupid and only ate pizza all day long).

They liscense out G1s to Basic Fun, re-released four G3s and did the mishmash Retro design, that doesn't mean that they hold their past animated shows and comics in high regard, tho. The older canons mostly existed to sell toys. German story tapes canon even genderbent some ponies to make the brand more accesible to boys.

Bringing up the old gens in a positive light would only help to sell the Basic Funs, it wouldn't have no other purpose to Hasbro. That's why G2 is so ignored, they don't have anything they could sell by bringing it up. And most American kids don't even know it existed in the first place, so why nostalgia-mine it? :lol:
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: SpacePinto on May 18, 2020, 07:53:09 AM
I'd much rather have Hasbro forget entirely about older generations forever than ever cross them with G4 in any form.
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Ponybookworm on May 18, 2020, 10:41:39 AM
In trying to integrate my Ponyworld, I find the G1s, G2s, G3s & even G3.5s to fit in nicely, but G4s just don't, being so small in the regular form, & so weird in the Fashion Style form. So most of my Ponyworld no longer bothers to integrate G4 with the other Ponies, leaving them to have their own land, separate from the other gens.
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on May 18, 2020, 11:15:17 AM
I've read fics where all the gens of ponies coexist in the same universe, but live in different geographical locations.  I think that would be a fun take on it.

It's silly to say Hasbro only could / would combine gens of ponies to mock the older generations.  The Transformers IDW comic has characters from almost every generation in their universe, even though it's primarily based on G1 Transformers.  Beast Wars characters, Japanese-only characters, RID 2001 characters, I can even think of a Beast Machines character in there, and god knows that show was not a fan-favorite, lol.

I do think if Hasbro did a crossover it would more likely be a comic book than animation.  Just seems easier. Especially if they needed a lot of exposition. A comic isn't confined to 22 minutes, you can add as much backstory as you want as long as you have enough room for word-bubbles.
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Carrehz on May 18, 2020, 11:16:20 AM
I'd much rather have Hasbro forget entirely about older generations forever than ever cross them with G4 in any form.

yup - this. Don't get me wrong, I love the previous gens, and I'm not against the idea of crossovers in theory.... but past evidence has shown what it'd be like. >_< I don't trust Hasbro to do anything like this in a tasteful way.
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: SaraMari on May 18, 2020, 11:55:50 AM
It's silly to say Hasbro only could / would combine gens of ponies to mock the older generations. 

I don't think they would do it for the purpose of mocking G1-3 but they would mock them. Others have already posted evidence that supports the mocking argument. Just last month on the official Instagram they post a pic of Pinkie Pie in G1 retro art and said G4 is such a "glow up"

Like Zapper said other fandoms wouldn't tolerate previous gen bashing, but the loudest segment of MLP fans really eats that bashing up (and kids too really, in general kids don't like/care about old stuff)
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Mana Minori on May 18, 2020, 12:14:41 PM
It's silly to say Hasbro only could / would combine gens of ponies to mock the older generations. 

I don't think they would do it for the purpose of mocking G1-3 but they would mock them. Others have already posted evidence that supports the mocking argument. Just last month on the official Instagram they post a pic of Pinkie Pie in G1 retro art and said G4 is such a "glow up"

Like Zapper said other fandoms wouldn't tolerate previous gen bashing, but the loudest segment of MLP fans really eats that bashing up (and kids too really, in general kids don't like/care about old stuff)
i see where you are coming from- I didn’t like the retro clip show with the borderline bashing with Megan and other g1 characters Hasbro did some months ago. But if other fandoms don’t tolerate this abuse on older gens, if they have theirs- why does this fandom and it’s older gen fans seem to take it? (This is just what it seems like to me). As an old gen fan myself- I know one single voice won’t make a difference- but the lure is more to the old gen fans than just one person. Why not raise your voices about it and make a stink where Hasbro execs would see it? Why can’t 30 Plus years of older gen fans be just as loud at demanding change and respect for older gens as the g4 fandom is about trampling older gens and mocking them?
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on May 18, 2020, 12:40:02 PM
I've read fics where all the gens of ponies coexist in the same universe, but live in different geographical locations.  I think that would be a fun take on it.

It's silly to say Hasbro only could / would combine gens of ponies to mock the older generations.  The Transformers IDW comic has characters from almost every generation in their universe, even though it's primarily based on G1 Transformers.  Beast Wars characters, Japanese-only characters, RID 2001 characters, I can even think of a Beast Machines character in there, and god knows that show was not a fan-favorite, lol.

I do think if Hasbro did a crossover it would more likely be a comic book than animation.  Just seems easier. Especially if they needed a lot of exposition. A comic isn't confined to 22 minutes, you can add as much backstory as you want as long as you have enough room for word-bubbles.

Too Many Pinkie Pies
VAs poking fun at older generations in a documentary
The Retro Flashbacks where they basically crapped on the cartoon with very crude and sometimes innapropriate brony-like humor


There's clearly a precedence for the modern animation community in general to take steaming mean-spirited dumps on its predeccesors. Nm they wouldn't need to if they didn't create such awful content.  And Hasbro has already done it three times. What makes you think they wouldn't do it again?


Post Merge: May 18, 2020, 12:43:16 PM

It's silly to say Hasbro only could / would combine gens of ponies to mock the older generations. 

I don't think they would do it for the purpose of mocking G1-3 but they would mock them. Others have already posted evidence that supports the mocking argument. Just last month on the official Instagram they post a pic of Pinkie Pie in G1 retro art and said G4 is such a "glow up"

Like Zapper said other fandoms wouldn't tolerate previous gen bashing, but the loudest segment of MLP fans really eats that bashing up (and kids too really, in general kids don't like/care about old stuff)
i see where you are coming from- I didn’t like the retro clip show with the borderline bashing with Megan and other g1 characters Hasbro did some months ago. But if other fandoms don’t tolerate this abuse on older gens, if they have theirs- why does this fandom and it’s older gen fans seem to take it? (This is just what it seems like to me). As an old gen fan myself- I know one single voice won’t make a difference- but the lure is more to the old gen fans than just one person. Why not raise your voices about it and make a stink where Hasbro execs would see it? Why can’t 30 Plus years of older gen fans be just as loud at demanding change and respect for older gens as the g4 fandom is about trampling older gens and mocking them?

We can't comment on their nasty little vids due to the Children's Act on YouTube. Because it came into effect shortly before they started releasing these. 

Furthermore, entertainment companies aren't going to cave into the demands of whiny fans. Upset parents and censors yes. But not on YouTube where everything is a free for all.

If other cartoon companies allow their employees to do this without formal reprimand on tv, what makes you think Hasbro is going to care?
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Mana Minori on May 18, 2020, 12:46:38 PM
I've read fics where all the gens of ponies coexist in the same universe, but live in different geographical locations.  I think that would be a fun take on it.

It's silly to say Hasbro only could / would combine gens of ponies to mock the older generations.  The Transformers IDW comic has characters from almost every generation in their universe, even though it's primarily based on G1 Transformers.  Beast Wars characters, Japanese-only characters, RID 2001 characters, I can even think of a Beast Machines character in there, and god knows that show was not a fan-favorite, lol.

I do think if Hasbro did a crossover it would more likely be a comic book than animation.  Just seems easier. Especially if they needed a lot of exposition. A comic isn't confined to 22 minutes, you can add as much backstory as you want as long as you have enough room for word-bubbles.

Too Many Pinkie Pies
VAs poking fun at older generations in a documentary
The Retro Flashbacks where they basically crapped on the cartoon with very crude and sometimes innapropriate brony-like humor


There's clearly a precedence for the animation community in general to take steaming mean-spirited dumps on its predeccesors. And Hasbro has already done it three times. What makes you think they wouldn't do it again?


Post Merge: May 18, 2020, 12:43:16 PM

It's silly to say Hasbro only could / would combine gens of ponies to mock the older generations. 

I don't think they would do it for the purpose of mocking G1-3 but they would mock them. Others have already posted evidence that supports the mocking argument. Just last month on the official Instagram they post a pic of Pinkie Pie in G1 retro art and said G4 is such a "glow up"

Like Zapper said other fandoms wouldn't tolerate previous gen bashing, but the loudest segment of MLP fans really eats that bashing up (and kids too really, in general kids don't like/care about old stuff)
i see where you are coming from- I didn’t like the retro clip show with the borderline bashing with Megan and other g1 characters Hasbro did some months ago. But if other fandoms don’t tolerate this abuse on older gens, if they have theirs- why does this fandom and it’s older gen fans seem to take it? (This is just what it seems like to me). As an old gen fan myself- I know one single voice won’t make a difference- but the lure is more to the old gen fans than just one person. Why not raise your voices about it and make a stink where Hasbro execs would see it? Why can’t 30 Plus years of older gen fans be just as loud at demanding change and respect for older gens as the g4 fandom is about trampling older gens and mocking them?

We can't comment on their nasty little vids due to the Children's Act on YouTube. Because it came into effect shortly before they started releasing these.
fair enough in the no comments on their videos. But there are other ways to rally the community and let them know dumping on last gens isn’t fair or cool- writing letters, hitting up the writers and CEO on twitter, rallying with megaphones outside of Hasbro HQ....
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on May 18, 2020, 12:48:04 PM
I've read fics where all the gens of ponies coexist in the same universe, but live in different geographical locations.  I think that would be a fun take on it.

It's silly to say Hasbro only could / would combine gens of ponies to mock the older generations.  The Transformers IDW comic has characters from almost every generation in their universe, even though it's primarily based on G1 Transformers.  Beast Wars characters, Japanese-only characters, RID 2001 characters, I can even think of a Beast Machines character in there, and god knows that show was not a fan-favorite, lol.

I do think if Hasbro did a crossover it would more likely be a comic book than animation.  Just seems easier. Especially if they needed a lot of exposition. A comic isn't confined to 22 minutes, you can add as much backstory as you want as long as you have enough room for word-bubbles.

Too Many Pinkie Pies
VAs poking fun at older generations in a documentary
The Retro Flashbacks where they basically crapped on the cartoon with very crude and sometimes innapropriate brony-like humor


There's clearly a precedence for the animation community in general to take steaming mean-spirited dumps on its predeccesors. And Hasbro has already done it three times. What makes you think they wouldn't do it again?


Post Merge: May 18, 2020, 12:43:16 PM

It's silly to say Hasbro only could / would combine gens of ponies to mock the older generations. 

I don't think they would do it for the purpose of mocking G1-3 but they would mock them. Others have already posted evidence that supports the mocking argument. Just last month on the official Instagram they post a pic of Pinkie Pie in G1 retro art and said G4 is such a "glow up"

Like Zapper said other fandoms wouldn't tolerate previous gen bashing, but the loudest segment of MLP fans really eats that bashing up (and kids too really, in general kids don't like/care about old stuff)
i see where you are coming from- I didn’t like the retro clip show with the borderline bashing with Megan and other g1 characters Hasbro did some months ago. But if other fandoms don’t tolerate this abuse on older gens, if they have theirs- why does this fandom and it’s older gen fans seem to take it? (This is just what it seems like to me). As an old gen fan myself- I know one single voice won’t make a difference- but the lure is more to the old gen fans than just one person. Why not raise your voices about it and make a stink where Hasbro execs would see it? Why can’t 30 Plus years of older gen fans be just as loud at demanding change and respect for older gens as the g4 fandom is about trampling older gens and mocking them?

We can't comment on their nasty little vids due to the Children's Act on YouTube. Because it came into effect shortly before they started releasing these.
fair enough in the no comments on their videos. But there are other ways to rally the community and let them know dumping on last gens isn’t fair or cool- writing letters, hitting up the writers and CEO on twitter, rallying with megaphones outside of Hasbro HQ....

I added to my previous post.
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: SpacePinto on May 18, 2020, 12:58:25 PM
It's silly to say Hasbro only could / would combine gens of ponies to mock the older generations.  The Transformers IDW comic has characters from almost every generation in their universe, even though it's primarily based on G1 Transformers.  Beast Wars characters, Japanese-only characters, RID 2001 characters, I can even think of a Beast Machines character in there, and god knows that show was not a fan-favorite, lol.

Except TF doesn't have a rabid fanbase of the latest generation that hates all the earlier generations of the very same franchise with pashion and for some reason Hasbro does everything it can to pander to said fanbase. Let's be honest, if an official cross-generation MLP movie/comic ever came out, they would try to portray the older generations as negatively as possible while showing G4 as cool and awesome just to give bronies exactly what they want.
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: SaraMari on May 18, 2020, 01:04:15 PM
Mana Minori this is probably getting OT now and I might not be versed enough to talk about it. They/we do have opinions but mostly express them here in fb groups I see. Maybe it's because they've been attacked but bronies for doing it in the past, maybe they feel like it won't matter, maybe they prefer to ignore it and hope it goes away

On the IG post I mentioned I saw only one person say hey why are you crapping on MLP history, with 22 likes. Maybe G1 fans don't really interact much with current MLP social media/avoid it


Except TF doesn't have a rabid fanbase of the latest generation that hates all the earlier generations of the very same franchise with pashion and for some reason Hasbro does everything it can to pander to said fanbase

Ah yes good points. Hasbro made lots of money off of bronies and fall over themselves trying to get more, so they would continue to pander in a crossover rather than bring all generation fans together. Low hanging fruit
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on May 18, 2020, 01:07:55 PM
It's silly to say Hasbro only could / would combine gens of ponies to mock the older generations.  The Transformers IDW comic has characters from almost every generation in their universe, even though it's primarily based on G1 Transformers.  Beast Wars characters, Japanese-only characters, RID 2001 characters, I can even think of a Beast Machines character in there, and god knows that show was not a fan-favorite, lol.

Except TF doesn't have a rabid fanbase of the latest generation that hates all the earlier generations of the very same franchise with pashion and for some reason Hasbro does everything it can to pander to said fanbase. Let's be honest, if an official cross-generation MLP movie/comic ever came out, they would try to portray the older generations as negatively as possible while showing G4 as cool and awesome just to give bronies exactly what they want.

There is always generational division in every long time franchise, and iterations that get fairly or unfairly dumped on. Genwunners and Bayverse TF fans do in fact go at each other's throats on the board I frequent. I've seen people sniping at BW, KP, Animated, RiD, RiD15 and Prime fans. Like the TP and Arena however, their mods are stern but fair and will put a stop to flame wars before they get bad.

Companies professionally don't give a hoot about a squabbling fanbase. All they care about is that their product sells. These days cartoon companies unfortunately do sometimes add fuel to the fire.
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Mana Minori on May 18, 2020, 01:12:51 PM
Mana Minori this is probably getting OT now and I might not be versed enough to talk about it. They/we do have opinions but mostly express them here in fb groups I see. Maybe it's because they've been attacked but bronies for doing it in the past, maybe they feel like it won't matter, maybe they prefer to ignore it and hope it goes away

On the IG post I mentioned I saw only one person say hey why are you crapping on MLP history, with 22 likes. Maybe G1 fans don't really interact much with current MLP social media/avoid it
didn’t mean for it to get off topic. And if anyone does feel that way in this fandom, I’m sorry that they do. But I like last gens and hate as much as you guys that it has been thrown under the bus, when Faust brought g4 to life with MAD respect to the past gens. I really do just wish that fellow past gen fans could stand up and fight for what they love and be heard just as much as the current gen fans do, rather than rolling over and accepting their gens getting trashed on- by both g4 fans and seemingly the company itself.

But since I have to try and steer this back on topic- since it seems that’s there is a unanimous vote that Hasbro won’t fairly make a multigen pony movie- can you guys see potential for any kind of fan made movie involving a joint effort and Collab between fans of gens across the board? (Non biased ones, at least?)
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Taffeta on May 18, 2020, 01:23:11 PM
Personally I don't need a generational crossover.

The generations are all fine in their own worlds, with their own fans.

I also don't see the need to go on a crusade to liberate the reputation of older generations. For me the need to do this suggests that to be a G1 fan requires some kind of recognition or acceptance from newer generation fans. It doesn't. What they think is irrelevant. We were here before they were. We will be here when they are gone. Moreover, they're not obliged to enjoy G1 any more than we're obliged to make them try.

In short, I don't collect MLP because I want some teenagers who draw pony porn and flap about memes to acknowledge me. I collect MLP because I grew up with it, I'm interested in its history, and I have a lot of good memories and nostalgia. Am I interested in tainting those things with arguments over stuff with random strangers? Not really.

There aren't many people here now who remember when G2 came out and the conflicts then. I was over that kind of intergenerational conflict 20 years ago and I'm sure anyone else who remembers it was as well. It's just not important to score points.

And that goes back to the intergenerational stuff as well. It's a suggestion that somehow older gens need to be tied to FIM and vice versa in some multimedia animated way...and they don't. My Little Pony is a toyline up until 2011, and that's fine. They don't need to be reinvented, modernised or recrafted to get the attention of this generation, because the previous generations weren't aimed at this generation of ponypeople.

So yeah. A big no to multigen. I am already not keen on Hasbro's attempts at 'retro' MLP stuff this past year, and more of the same would be frankly disappointing.

Also, Lauren Faust's comments in the Toys that Made Us Doc were cringeworthy to say the least. I have no time for her, because she didn't put G1 into FIM, nor did she have 'mad respect' for it. What she actually did was put her childhood into FIM, which in itself is fine, but should not be confused with anything actually officially 'G1'.
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on May 18, 2020, 01:28:31 PM
It's silly to say Hasbro only could / would combine gens of ponies to mock the older generations.  The Transformers IDW comic has characters from almost every generation in their universe, even though it's primarily based on G1 Transformers.  Beast Wars characters, Japanese-only characters, RID 2001 characters, I can even think of a Beast Machines character in there, and god knows that show was not a fan-favorite, lol.

Except TF doesn't have a rabid fanbase of the latest generation that hates all the earlier generations of the very same franchise with pashion and for some reason Hasbro does everything it can to pander to said fanbase. Let's be honest, if an official cross-generation MLP movie/comic ever came out, they would try to portray the older generations as negatively as possible while showing G4 as cool and awesome just to give bronies exactly what they want.

I don't think G4 has a rabid fanbase anymore either.  The G4 fanbase that was so active at the height of FIM has largely dispersed.

There is always generational division in every long time franchise, and iterations that get fairly or unfairly dumped on. Genwunners and Bayverse TF fans do in fact go at each other's throats on the board I frequent. I've seen people sniping at BW, KP, Animated, RiD, RiD15 and Prime fans. Like the TP and Arena however, their mods are stern but fair and will put a stop to flame wars before they get bad.

Companies professionally don't give a hoot about a squabbling fanbase. All they care about is that their product sells. These days cartoon companies unfortunately do sometimes add fuel to the fire.

Yeah, this too.  The Transformers fandom is way more volatile and opinionated than the MLP fandom and always has been.
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on May 18, 2020, 01:36:22 PM
It's silly to say Hasbro only could / would combine gens of ponies to mock the older generations.  The Transformers IDW comic has characters from almost every generation in their universe, even though it's primarily based on G1 Transformers.  Beast Wars characters, Japanese-only characters, RID 2001 characters, I can even think of a Beast Machines character in there, and god knows that show was not a fan-favorite, lol.

Except TF doesn't have a rabid fanbase of the latest generation that hates all the earlier generations of the very same franchise with pashion and for some reason Hasbro does everything it can to pander to said fanbase. Let's be honest, if an official cross-generation MLP movie/comic ever came out, they would try to portray the older generations as negatively as possible while showing G4 as cool and awesome just to give bronies exactly what they want.

I don't think G4 has a rabid fanbase anymore either.  The G4 fanbase that was so active at the height of FIM has largely dispersed.

There is always generational division in every long time franchise, and iterations that get fairly or unfairly dumped on. Genwunners and Bayverse TF fans do in fact go at each other's throats on the board I frequent. I've seen people sniping at BW, KP, Animated, RiD, RiD15 and Prime fans. Like the TP and Arena however, their mods are stern but fair and will put a stop to flame wars before they get bad.

Companies professionally don't give a hoot about a squabbling fanbase. All they care about is that their product sells. These days cartoon companies unfortunately do sometimes add fuel to the fire.

Yeah, this too.  The Transformers fandom is way more volatile and opinionated than the MLP fandom and always has been.
Ruined Forever!!


:silly:
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: SpacePinto on May 18, 2020, 04:01:57 PM
I don't think G4 has a rabid fanbase anymore either.  The G4 fanbase that was so active at the height of FIM has largely dispersed.
Well, I know that thankfully this cursed fandom seems to be dying out already, but there are still quite a few of them lingering around, making their fanart and sharing their memes, and I'm pretty sure Hasbro will still try to squeeze as much as possible out of whatever's left while they still can.
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Wardah on May 18, 2020, 08:40:29 PM
I don't think the retro clip show was meant to be taken as "bashing". One thing I've noticed is a lot of fans of other long running properties where the majority is male wouldn't get upset with similar style humor. Maybe it has something to do with the ways girls are socialised differently.
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on May 18, 2020, 09:06:45 PM
I don't think the retro clip show was meant to be taken as "bashing". One thing I've noticed is a lot of fans of other long running properties where the majority is male wouldn't get upset with similar style humor. Maybe it has something to do with the ways girls are socialised differently.

No, I'd say people of both genders thought it was pretty tasteless of the TCR team to make fun of older iterations and the deceased original va of Panthro.

Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Wardah on May 18, 2020, 10:26:05 PM
I don't think the retro clip show was meant to be taken as "bashing". One thing I've noticed is a lot of fans of other long running properties where the majority is male wouldn't get upset with similar style humor. Maybe it has something to do with the ways girls are socialised differently.

No, I'd say people of both genders thought it was pretty tasteless of the TCR team to make fun of older iterations and the deceased original va of Panthro.



Big difference between "this old cartoon was cheesy like all 80s cartoons were so we will poke a little fun at it but we do it with love" and actual disrespect for a dead person. That's just gross.
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: SpacePinto on May 19, 2020, 05:29:00 AM
I don't think the retro clip show was meant to be taken as "bashing". One thing I've noticed is a lot of fans of other long running properties where the majority is male wouldn't get upset with similar style humor.

They literally put a bushwoolie over Rosedust's privates...
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on May 19, 2020, 06:14:16 AM
I don't think the retro clip show was meant to be taken as "bashing". One thing I've noticed is a lot of fans of other long running properties where the majority is male wouldn't get upset with similar style humor. Maybe it has something to do with the ways girls are socialised differently.

No, I'd say people of both genders thought it was pretty tasteless of the TCR team to make fun of older iterations and the deceased original va of Panthro.



Big difference between "this old cartoon was cheesy like all 80s cartoons were so we will poke a little fun at it but we do it with love" and actual disrespect for a dead person. That's just gross.

It doesn't really matter. Acting like they were censoring a pony's crotch and inferring that Megan was guilty of beastiliaty by dating a baby dragon is  innapropriate, gross and tasteless  and I lost a ton of respect for Hasbro. I'm sure there were some very shocked and angry parents who would have ripped them to shreds in the comment section had they been able.

Few TC fans had respect or at least neutrality towards the awful idiots helming TCR to begin with and that certainly did not help.

My point is, both of them are wrong, wildly innapropriate, completely unproffessional  and people got offended. Period the end.
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Zapper on May 19, 2020, 07:52:44 AM
I've read fics where all the gens of ponies coexist in the same universe, but live in different geographical locations.  I think that would be a fun take on it.

It's silly to say Hasbro only could / would combine gens of ponies to mock the older generations.  The Transformers IDW comic has characters from almost every generation in their universe, even though it's primarily based on G1 Transformers.  Beast Wars characters, Japanese-only characters, RID 2001 characters, I can even think of a Beast Machines character in there, and god knows that show was not a fan-favorite, lol.

Is this the MLPA version of a subtweet? :lol:
You're the silly one if you don't want to consider the fact that Hasbro doesn't treat MLP like TF. Its funny because I compare the two a lot and am of the opinion Hasbro could make way more TF-style stuff with MLP if they only wanted to. Like a Legacy line or even a Masterpiece kind of range for adult collectors.

Also bringing up characters from past gens into new gens isnt a crossover as per the thread's subject. You are talking about something like G4 Applejack, G4 Gusty or G4 Toola Roola. All of which are characters they basically copy-pasted into FiM, albeit with new personalities.
The FiM comic also had G4-style Twinkle Eye ponies in the background of a few panels.

Btw, I'd like to see examples of when Hasbro compared G2, G3 or G3.5 positively to FiM. Oh and "well they existed" doesn't count. I want to see something like the Twilight G1/G4 SDCC doublepack. Maybe then I'll believe that they could do a crossover that doesn't crap all over G2 or G3 :P

*crickets*
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on May 19, 2020, 08:12:26 AM

Btw, I'd like to see examples of when Hasbro compared G2, G3 or G3.5 positively to FiM. Oh and "well they existed" doesn't count. I want to see something like the Twilight G1/G4 SDCC doublepack. Maybe then I'll believe that they could do a crossover that doesn't crap all over G2 or G3 :P

*crickets*

Exactly!
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: Carrehz on May 19, 2020, 02:28:17 PM
Leave a Whisper - gosh that video sounds disgusting...

But that's what I mean - can you imagine them doing something like that with FiM? I can't. THAT'S what my problem is - if they were pulling stuff like that with all the gens... well I can't say I'd find it tasteful (I like vulgar humour and all, but MLP is not the place for it IMO) but at least there wouldn't be this awful... bias? against all the pre-G4 gens. but as it is...


Btw, I'd like to see examples of when Hasbro compared G2, G3 or G3.5 positively to FiM. Oh and "well they existed" doesn't count. I want to see something like the Twilight G1/G4 SDCC doublepack. Maybe then I'll believe that they could do a crossover that doesn't crap all over G2 or G3 :P

*crickets*

Exactly!

Hear hear!!

(Have Hasbro acknowledged G2 at all recently...? The retro McG2 doesn't count, that was McD's. I'm talking about Hasbro themselves.)
Title: Re: Multigen crossover idea?
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on May 19, 2020, 04:22:23 PM

(Have Hasbro acknowledged G2 at all recently...? The retro McG2 doesn't count, that was McD's. I'm talking about Hasbro themselves.)
Not unless you count them NOT objecting to the Kenner employees being interviewed for the Toys That Made Us episode ;)
SimplePortal 2.3.5 © 2008-2012, SimplePortal