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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: Taffeta on September 28, 2018, 07:31:25 AM

Title: Discussion on the 'Fable' Set and G1 Pony releases in Scandinavia and environs
Post by: Taffeta on September 28, 2018, 07:31:25 AM
So I know that this has been discussed somewhat before, but I'm under the impression that the set included ponies not pictured on the card...

I am curious to know if we have a definitive list of who those ponies were?

I believe the card shows Surprise, Heart Throb, Skyflier, Sparkler, Gusty, Firefly. But this is also the set that included Moondancer (yellow) and I am pretty sure I've seen Powder mint on this card too. Are there any others who were in this set but not pictured?

(Looking at this card still breaks my inner five year old's heart, lol).

So what about Glory? Medley? Twilight? Sunbeam? Did any of them make the cut? Are these all sold on the same card?

Is Firefly the curly haired 2nd release?

(The card is pictured here from ZuluSeashell's collection by NightGlider)
http://mlparena.com/index.php/topic,391115.msg1715520.html#msg1715520

Grateful for any information :) I am only looking for information about the HK releases on English language card.

I figure its time I dealt with this properly...
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: tootie_tails on September 28, 2018, 08:59:51 AM
Surprise, Heart Throb, Skyflier, Powder, Sparkler, Gusty, were sold on that card.
Also yellow Moondancer and curly Firefly. They were for some reason added to the set when it was sold here. (Kind of like how Snowflake and Hopscotch was added to the early earth pony set here).

I know someone has suggested Glory, Medley, Twilight, Sunbeam was sold on the same card as well, but I doubt it. They never show up in auctions here (other than imported ones of course). While the others do, although yellow Moondancer and curly Firefly less often than the others.

If I'm wrong let me know.. I would love to see Glory etc moc on that card if they actually exist.
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Taffeta on September 28, 2018, 11:34:24 AM
Thank you. That pretty much tallies with what I've heard other people say, but I wanted to clarify. I actually hadn't realised Powder isn't on the card, because that was the first one I ever saw MOC.

I did remember that you guys had Snowflake on 1985 Groom & Style cards (and I have seen that MOC before as well) though so I wanted to check if this was another of those sets. It makes sense to be curly Firefly.

So as far as we know the set numbers eight but the card pictures six?

I've seen white Tootsie on cards that match the Groom & Style card here, too - are those from Scandinavian origin? I have seen Dutch ones but the artwork matches the US card instead, so I am guessing...?
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: tootie_tails on September 28, 2018, 01:01:19 PM
Quote from: Taffeta on September 28, 2018, 11:34:24 AM

So as far as we know the set numbers eight but the card pictures six?


That is my opinion yes, and it used to be consensus. But I'm a bit out of the loop, I don't know if any new information has been found. I'll see if I can find the thread I was thinking about.


Quote from: Taffeta on September 28, 2018, 11:34:24 AM

I've seen white Tootsie on cards that match the Groom & Style card here, too - are those from Scandinavian origin? I have seen Dutch ones but the artwork matches the US card instead, so I am guessing...?


Not sure what exactly your question is here but the Tootsie we got in that set is white, yes.
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Taffeta on September 28, 2018, 01:04:56 PM
Quote from: tootie_tails

Quote from: Taffeta on September 28, 2018, 11:34:24 AM

I've seen white Tootsie on cards that match the Groom & Style card here, too - are those from Scandinavian origin? I have seen Dutch ones but the artwork matches the US card instead, so I am guessing...?


Not sure what exactly your question is here but the Tootsie we got in that set is white, yes.


Whether they were in Scandinavia on the UK style of card or the one with the US artwork ;) Sorry ;)
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: pinkkittywinks on September 28, 2018, 01:14:09 PM
There is a thread on this somewhere, I will see if I can find it :)

I can't quite remember all the details off the top of my head.

ETA: found a thread with some info in it, it starts out on white tootsie (something I have finally got my brain round) but it includes some other information on other releases including the Fable set :P

http://mlparena.com/index.php/topic,290686.0.html

Love pkw xxx
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: tootie_tails on September 28, 2018, 01:19:49 PM
Quote from: Taffeta on September 28, 2018, 01:04:56 PM
Quote from: tootie_tails

Quote from: Taffeta on September 28, 2018, 11:34:24 AM

I've seen white Tootsie on cards that match the Groom & Style card here, too - are those from Scandinavian origin? I have seen Dutch ones but the artwork matches the US card instead, so I am guessing...?


Not sure what exactly your question is here but the Tootsie we got in that set is white, yes.


Whether they were in Scandinavia on the UK style of card or the one with the US artwork ;) Sorry ;)

White Tootsie was on the same type of card as Snowflake.



This is the post I was thinking of, regarding a possible Glory etc:

Quote from: Gizmo on August 01, 2018, 05:56:47 PM
It's cool that you're interested in these details, I'm fascinated by those variants too.

The carded Baby Firefly was from Sweden and has glittery symbols, I have seen the same version sold in the Netherlands. With Baby Firefly I also got an adult Surprise with the original card from the same owner and according to the seller both were bought together with some Rainbow ponies from the same shop at the same time.

Surprise was from the Scandinavian Unicorns and Pegasus set which included Powder, Skyflier, Gusty (green eyes), Sparkler, Firefly (curly), Medley (curly), Heartthrob, Glory, Moondancer (yellow). Interestingly Moondancer, Powder, Glory, and Medley were not shown nor mentioned on their backcards. The Rainbow ponies had similar European art and were the second set (Confetti, Trickles, etc...).

(from this thread: http://mlparena.com/index.php/topic,392523.15.html)
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Taffeta on September 28, 2018, 01:25:45 PM
Oh yeah. I remember that thread now!

I guess what I wanted to ascertain for absolute sure was whether Glory etc were or were not sold on this card. Since I know SA had some US carded imports for this set...and since I know Scandinavian countries had ponies on cards where they weren't pictured, like Snowflake, I guess maybe it's a hard thing to prove for certain. I don't want to include them if there's doubt. I don't like including things unless there's firm proof because the past 20 years has shown it's much harder to dispel assumptions than it is to create them.

But I also don't want to omit them if there is good reason to believe they were also part of the set.

The other thread also mentions Powder being paler. I don't have any ponies I can confirm as Scandinavian release for the set except Moondancer, so I am super curious about all these minor variations that maybe exist...
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: tootie_tails on September 28, 2018, 01:47:08 PM
Quote from: Taffeta on September 28, 2018, 01:25:45 PM

The other thread also mentions Powder being paler. I don't have any ponies I can confirm as Scandinavian release for the set except Moondancer, so I am super curious about all these minor variations that maybe exist...


I'm curious about that too. I have seven out of the eight ponies from that set. Six of them bought on card in a toy store here so I know they are the fable version. One of them being Powder. But I don't have the other version of them (US sold) so I don't have anything to compare with.
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Taffeta on September 28, 2018, 01:57:26 PM
Quote from: tootie_tails on September 28, 2018, 01:47:08 PM
Quote from: Taffeta on September 28, 2018, 01:25:45 PM

The other thread also mentions Powder being paler. I don't have any ponies I can confirm as Scandinavian release for the set except Moondancer, so I am super curious about all these minor variations that maybe exist...


I'm curious about that too. I have seven out of the eight ponies from that set. Six of them bought on card in a toy store here so I know they are the fable version. One of them being Powder. But I don't have the other version of them (US sold) so I don't have anything to compare with.


My Powder came from the US so I am fairly certain of her origin, but I have the opposite problem in that NO Powder is native to the UK, so all of them are imports and who knows, these days, what has got where. Especially since it seems SA may have had both the Fable and the US release (judging by ZuluSeashell's card) of Powder.

Maybe Katrine will have something to add as I think she's the one who mentioned paler Powder...?

Sigh, it annoys me so much that we can regurgitate over and over the US releases of these sets until we can do it in our sleep but we still can't ascertain this kind of detail. A lot of it was probably left behind at the same time everyone was assuming stuff was either US or UK and Europe just had UK stuff except maybe Germany...It makes me sad that we've wasted so much time and energy as a community repeating the facts from the least complicated pony release, while much more interesting ones are neglected. That's one reason why I want to tackle and include this properly...but gah.

The design of the Fable card still grabs me. It's not quite one thing or the other in terms of its style. I wonder if it was designed for export all along, and the marks for the UK are just a red herring. Is it stamped 1986 or 1987 does anyone know? I assume 1986 because that's where all the chaos happened in Europe over ponies and missing ponies and multiple sets and confusing cardage...but I might be wrong.

This discussion makes me want to buy a lot more ponies from Scandinavia.
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: katrine2309 on September 29, 2018, 01:22:04 AM
Oooh! Love threads about the Fable ponies!

I have been researching this set for a couple of months now, and I have not yet seen any hard facts suggesting that Twilight, Sunbeam, Medley or Glory was sold with the fable ponies. That does not mean that they weren’t of course! If anyone have any more input I would be thrilled to learn more! This is a difficult set to pin down!

I have seen pictures of curly-haired Firefly MOC on this card, I think it is pictured in one of the threads that has been Linked to in this thread. So it is fairly safe to state that it was the curly- haired that was sold with this set.

When it comes to paler Powder: I first read about this at a swedish mlp forum a couple of months ago. The discussions and posts on paler Powder was years old so I never got the chance to ask questions about her to those saying that she was real. However, the main source of this information was norrskenljus/ponyland and she is fairly knowledgeable about the swedish releases :) I think the MOC Powder(referred to earlier in this thread) that was found on the fable pony card was what confirmed that the Fable Pony version of Powder was indeed paler.

I will try to dig up the threads I read on this, I think Ponyland also say something about this in several threads here on the arena. At least she mentions it in this thread, in the last post: http://mlparena.com/index.php/topic,290686.30.html

I have Powder from this set, found in the wild here in Norway. However, I have no other version to compare her with yet...
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Taffeta on September 29, 2018, 02:14:56 AM
I am pretty sure that Norrskenljus/Ponyland was the owner of MOC Powder and allowed me to use the image for my site, so it seems likely that if the information came from that source, it's probably correct.

This is her image:

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On ZuluSeashell's cards it looks like a sticker is mentioned as being included but I don't see one in Powder's package. Maybe it's behind her? I mention it because I am 99.9% sure that Movie Star ponies in Scandinavia didn't have stickers. But other sets of course did...so I am mentioning it more in terms of timeline and figuring that out.

Card also mentions brushing long curls, so that makes sense with Firefly too. Albeit in the UK when they made a thing about curls, they tended to specify on the cards of curly ponies and something different was on the straight haired pony cards (Groom & Style). You can't see it on ZuluSeashell's card but on the MOC image of Snowflake on the G&S card I have it looks like they matched it up with her having straight hair- she seems to have straight hair text on her card. But it doesn't seem like all the fables had curly hair!

It's so annoying not having a card in person to work from...I really need to fill that gap somehow.
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: katrine2309 on September 29, 2018, 03:40:54 AM
Hmm, that is interesting. I don’t see any puffy sticker on that MOC picture of Powder either, but I have worked with the assumption that the Fable Ponies did have puffies. My main source for that is again norrskenljus/ponyland and the discussions about puffies in this thread: http://mlparena.com/index.php/topic,371938.0.html

EDIT: I now found the reason why I always thought fables did have puffies. Norskenljus/ponyland comments on the MOC Powder picture saying that she can glimpse the puffy sticker under her tail (Even though it is not visible in the picture). It has the same yellow backing that the other puffies from this set has.

I recognize the picture of Powder as norskenljus/ponyland’s btw ;) So now we know the info and the picture came from her.

I also think you are correct on the scandinavian movie Star Ponies lacking stickers. I think I remember something about this and the timeline, but I haven’t found back to where I read it.... *grumbles*.

Looking at the timeline, it would support what I personally remember about when the ponies were released in Scandinavia. We had both Surprise (fable) and Gusty (movie Star) in our childhood collection. I am almost 100% certain that we got Surprise first. Gusty came later. Looking at the issue with the puffies as well, I am fairly confident in suggesting that the fable ponies were released before the movie star Ponies.

Not sure about the curly-haired issue on the card - it might be that hasbro didn’t bother to change it for the straight-haired fables? I know that Surprise, Firefly, Heart throb and Sparkler all had curly-hair. Where as Moonie, Gusty, Powder and Skyflier did not. This was a really strange release in several ways, so maybe they didn’t bother with the different hairstyles at all? 
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Taffeta on September 29, 2018, 04:24:41 AM
Movie Stars were the cut off for stickers over here as well. Some in the UK had them and some didn't. We only know this because people like Babydoll have had both MOC in their collections. I don't know if my childhood Shady had a sticker or not. I lost a few stickers over a few moves (including my 3 Mountain Boy ones!) so it could've been lost, but then again, I could've not ever had one. I do have one now, though, and they definitely exist.

Just on a geeky hunch, although the rainbow through the middle of the Fable card reminds me a bit of the UK TE card design for 1987, I also think the Fables predate the 1987 Movie Star set. Just for the simple reason that the Fables have blue name text on their cards. And many 1987 cards have black name text instead.

Not a great way of proving things, I know, because the fable card doesn't really meet conventions for either 1986 or 1987 in a lot of ways, but just my hunch that that makes the most sense. And also that Fable Gusty is a kind of production bridge between the US Gusty and Movie Star Gusty.

I still have the theory that Gusty wasn't meant to be in the Movie Star set, but got shoved in there at the end. Again, circumstantial, but I feel like maybe Hasbro UK, who seemed to be driving a lot of this, suddenly realised that Gusty had been so prominent in the UK and yet had never been out here. But it's Ribbon, not Gusty, who is illustrated in the borders of the 1987 pony club material for the UK -along with the other 5 members of the Movie Star Set. Ribbon is also in the story for Megan and Sundance in 1986, so I feel like Ribbon was in the pipeline but got replaced by Gusty at a late point.

I've always assumed Hasbro UK thought they were going to sell the Fables here but ultimately didn't. What I don't know is whether it was because stores here didn't want them or because at the time the UK was somewhat in recession and it was seen as a risk to throw so much product at this market when there were other potential markets to export them to. But then 1986 is also the year they invented Gypsy and sold her literally nowhere but the UK and a few export sites...so I have no clue.

Great about the sticker though :) It does make sense that they'd have those.
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: katrine2309 on September 29, 2018, 05:02:55 AM
Yes, one other indication that the fables pre-dates the movie star ponies is that the fables all have glittery symbols. Hasbro is still producing by the rule that the unis and pegs come with glittery symbols, whereas the movie stars do not.

I think personally that it is more likely that they are 1986 release, than 1987. That is however mostly based on my own recollection of when we got Surprise. I know I have some old ads from the 80’s. I can’t really remember if any fables are there, but I’ll double check ;)
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Taffeta on September 29, 2018, 06:11:07 AM
Quote from: katrine2309 on September 29, 2018, 05:02:55 AM
Yes, one other indication that the fables pre-dates the movie star ponies is that the fables all have glittery symbols.

That is also true, and a valid point :)
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: katrine2309 on September 30, 2018, 04:21:49 AM
So, I decided to do some research today on this and found that I actually asked some questions around the Fable ponies back in August. The thread died pretty quickly as you were the only one answering, Taffeta :lol:

However, you did write something in that thread that made me pause Taffeta. You wrote something about the Fabel-ponys released in Germany, and that they are stamped Italy. So is this two different sets then? Or is it the same ponies, only one set is HK and the other Italy? Do we know if the German set is released with yellow Moondancer and Scandi Gusty?

I’m also assuming that this set released in Scandinavia (HK stamp) were also released in Australia and South- Africa?

In Sweden I’ve seen that this set is described in advertisement as Sago-ponys. Sago in swedish (or Saga in Norwegian) is translated to English as fable. It seem like the name really suits this set - even though the name only officially appears on the German card :P
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Taffeta on September 30, 2018, 08:09:56 AM
I don't know the answer to the Fabel-Ponys set and whether the characters are the same or not. I have only seen Firefly/Feuerfunke on card for that set. But there is an yellow Italian Moondancer, so that would make sense to me..? And Italian Gusty also exists. I also remember that Powder used to be one of the more difficult Italian ponies to find. Wouldn't be a huge stretch to suppose that this release was the same but with Italian versions. Similar stuff happened with the Rainbows on vertical cards, after all...

ZuluSeashell via NightGlider posted images of her childhood backcards a while back on the SA Spotlight thread in the Nirvana forum. She had Gusty, Surprise and Sparkler's cards I think, all from new, and at least one of them I think has a Rand price label, so I think it's for absolute certain they were there. Just like the set with Truly and Cupcake.

I don't know about Australia and/or NZ. I have heard rumours. I don't know if we have any evidence yet that backs it up...

That's cool about the name! I like calling them Fable as it doesn't geographically locate them in one place. Also I wonder something else about the label, being that it exists on the German cards.

The Movie Star set in English don't have that label anywhere on their card, although the movie is mentioned. The name comes from how they were labelled in France, which is Cine Star. BUT in the Argos catalogue in 1986, Wind Whistler is sold as a Movie pony. I wonder if the same kind of thing happened unofficially in stores and store catalogues/shelf tags in other places. Hasbro UK also lists the 1985 Earth Pony set as Groom & Style, which is the name I use to distinguish them as it is official - but it also doesn't appear on the cards. It makes you wonder if some of these names were maybe on the cases of ponies sent to stores or in the store catalogues but not on the card.

Fable seems appropriate as a permanent set name for them in my opinion.
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: katrine2309 on September 30, 2018, 12:03:20 PM
I know so very little about the Italian ponies, but I seem to bump into them all the time in my research on Scandinavian releases. Especially in the Danish releases. I might nede to look more closely on them I think :P

I also think the set name Fable pony suits these girls. And I would really like to see that it is a set name used as a standard name for them. I often feel like Gusty and yellow Moondancer usually get all the attention from this set, but I find the other ponies in this set equally interesting. After all, they are the only release of these ponies in Scandinavia! And none of them are super common to find in the wild. I’ve seen Truly more than I’ve seen Skyflier and Powder for instance.

Not to mention that I really like the name Fable Gusty, instead of Scandinavian Gusty (which is misleading as she was sold outside of Scandinavia too...).

Regarding the name Movie star; also the scandinavian toy catalogues describes these as «Film ponys/ film ponni». So even though they don’t have that reference on their card they were clearly linked to the movie in the catalogues here as well. I think you are right, it seems too likely a coincidence that ponies from the same set should be «accidentally» marketed with similar names across Europe. I think we can correctly assume that both the Fable pony and Movie star pony were terms officially used by Hasbro to describe these sets.
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Leikin on October 01, 2018, 06:53:12 AM
I have the backcard for Surprise, I'll see if I can dig it up and get some info from it. I just dont know where it is right now, as all my collection is boxed :P
I might have some catalogue inserts as well, to give some clues about the dates. But I think the card says 1986.

Ponyland is the one that has most history of this for the swedish market. She is the owner of that MOC Powder, and I belive that she was the one mentioning the paler version of her, also she has a set of fable pony puffy stickers (maybe this was already mentioned in one of the linked threads though).

Firefly is def the curly haired version, although she does not seem easy to find here. I have seen her MOC though. But none from that set is common here either as it seems. At least not the ones we know and can distinguish from other releases, like moondancer and Gusty.
An odd thing though is that white moondancer is also appearing in some adds here. I'm not sure about the others, Glory, Sunbeam and Twillight, so it could just be that they used white moondancer as replacement for yellow moondancer.

I also belive they predate the movie stars, but the only "evidence" I have is that I had three ponies from the movie star set as a child, and none from the fable set. And if they had been released later then the movie stars, I guess I would have been all over it :P
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Taffeta on October 01, 2018, 07:49:12 AM
@Leikin - it would be great if you do have the card and could dig up information. I've squinted at Zuluseashell's pictures but can only see so much and can't make out the date year.

If you happened to have any scans of the card or any inserts which are Swedish or from any Norse/Scandinavian country in origin, or even just lists of what is on them and at what year, that would be amazing.

The only problem I have with the year date on the card as the definitive is that the year date on the card sometimes doesn't actually match the release. And sometimes it does. Pretty much every bit of evidence I have for the Movie Stars puts them in 1987. Card. Sticker. Insert. Hasbro List. Hasbro catalogue. But Wind Whistler is listed in the Argos Catalogue, 1986. Gah! Go figure.

One other question while I'm picking your brains, guys.

The Pony Friends set with Truly and company. I am sure I have asked this before, but Posey and CJ from this set - European versions with dark symbols or light ones? I think Ponyland said once that CJ with the straight hair was a UK only release, but I can't remember whether the one in that set was the darker symboled curly CJ or the original lighter one.

Also, did Truly come with a stand? Does anyone know?

And finally - do you guys know if any pony was ever sold on this card in any Scandinavian country? Or if it's a card simply used for Italy/Spain variations and only printed in other languages for that purpose?
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Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: katrine2309 on October 01, 2018, 09:19:48 AM
Pony friends are the darker symbols. I’m fairly sure of that. The light version is from one of the earliest sets with CP Bowtie/Applejack. I have both Posey and CP Bowtie as childhood ponies. I got them around the same time, and my Posey has light symbols. I think I read a timeline from Ponyland that confirmed it.

I think the theory here is that the darker symbols came with the SS ponies. Since they all had darker symbols under their flocking, their European counterparts got them too. I’ve only seen curly haired CJ in the wild here- that doesn’t prove anything of course. Maybe Leikin knows more about that? CJ is one of the ponies I’ve dont very, very little research on...

I’ll dig around for some info on the backcard- I feel like I’ve seen it before...

I’m not sure about Truly’s stand to be honest. I want to say yes, but that is mostly based on a vague memory playing with Truly as a kid. My neighbour had her, and even though I remember thinking she was gorgeous I never really understood how to play with her because she always needed her stand to prevent her from falling over. It’s not a very solid memory, so I wouldn’t trust it much to be honest.... It could have been a homemade stand for all I know :P
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Taffeta on October 01, 2018, 09:35:44 AM
I have this vague recollection of someone, maybe Joss (the person who first brought info about Truly and Cupcake to the community, she was South African) talking about a stand as well, but I can't see it mentioned on the card. I have a scan of the card I use on my site but it's tiny because I lost the original *cries*. But that set is 1987 too, right? I feel like it should be 1988 because do you need two sets with Shady in 1987? (I mean, Shady is awesome, but seriously?) xD. What do you guys think? I would like to classify it as accurately as possible...

Thanks for checking on the card :D

I agree darker symbols happened alongside the SS over in the States. We also had Big Buttons (heh) which I have seen called a fake/deflock on one site from someone in Scandinavia, but she was so plentiful at second hand markets here in the 1990s, I am certain that's not the case. We never had SS ponies, so the likelihood of about 30 or 40 Buttons being deflocked perfectly for carboot sale is impossible and silly. She was sold here with buttons and stars and with big buttons. I found both mine here, and enough of each to know we had both, but because there is a serious problem with MOC items surviving from the UK from the early period, no MOC one with big buttons exists as far as I know.

It's like silver star Milky Way. I *know* we had her in the UK as well as the white star one, and on UK card, because I had silver star from new and my best friend had white star. I remember it because we were so excited about them being the same but different, and I remember the pink card, I never saw the white US card till online collecting much later. But I have never seen a silver star on a UK card. Largely because, to be honest, I've not seen that many party ponies MOC, period. Not on English card, anyway. :/

It really means sometimes we're approximating info based on imported ponies on the same card - which is why I don't want to make assumptions about exported ponies that look like they're the same based on the card!

CJ is a pony I have a soft spot for. I have quite a few different ones and have done a bit of research on her...but I have not seen her MOC for that set, so hence asking you guys :)

Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Leikin on October 02, 2018, 01:52:29 AM
oh, I just want to go home and dig into my boxes now ^^

I belive the CJ that came on that card is the curly hair version. I think I have pictures saved at home. Need to check.

I also think I have seen Mily Way with silver stars on pink card, but need to double check that as well.

I dont know if Truly came with a stand, but I suspect she did. Looking at the card on your site, the outline of the bubble seem similar to the one of the SS one, so it looks like it might have included a stand. And I think I have seen stands included with her here when sold. Not often though.

I think I have a pamphlet dated 87 wich include Truly and Cupcake, however, Im not sure if Shady actually was included in this set. I have never seen her MOC on this card (although, I have only seen a few of them MOC on this card) and I think she was replaced by another pony in this pamplet, but I cant remember which one.

for the german card, I dont think I have seen anything like that in english language, so I dont belive we had that card. All ponies included where sold on other cards here.  But this is the same card as spanish Cupido and Agua Limon was sold on also, wasnt it?
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Taffeta on October 02, 2018, 02:10:51 AM
Leikin, I want to come and dig through your collection too! xD.

That's interesting about Shady on the insert, because I noticed on the back of the card, Shady's name is misprinted as Shady's for some reason. Weird observation but there you go. Unfortunately because your part of the world had the habit of selling ponies on cards where they weren't pictured, Shady being on the card doesn't prove anything. But if you say they're on the 87 insert then they have to be categorised for 1987 and that is what I will do. I haven't got to that point yet, but when I do, I will include Shady and await further confirmation of what the insert said, if and when you manage to locate it.

I have a stand with my Truly, but I don't know if it was originally hers or added to her since, as they're not exactly that hard to come by in auction lots if you look for them :/

I really wish I still had my early childhood backcards.

I don't know about the spanish ponies. Nirvana is a step outside my expertise ;) I just know that different language versions exist and have seen Italian and Spanish Hopscotch on this card...the Italian one on German card is the only one I own, though, the others I've only seen in photographs.
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: katrine2309 on October 02, 2018, 03:19:33 PM
No, it might not seem like a good strategy to release two sets with shady at the same time. But then again Hasbro did so with Posey and Lickety Split didn’t they? I’m fairly certain that the two first sets (Groom and style and the set with white tootsie) overlapped. Leikin, do you remember?

It wouldn’t surprise me if Shady had two releases at more or less the same time. I saw in a Swedish ad/toy catalogue that Pony friends and movie stars were both sold in spring -87. For the autumn catalogue in 87, only the Movie star ponies were left, which led me to the theory that Pony Friends might have been released in 1986.

But then again, it could just be their focus on advertising. In Norway I found an ad including both movie star ponies and Cupcake from summer 1988 with the title “New pony friends”. Although I am fairly sure that they all were sold in stores here before that. You can’t really trust it without multiple sources.
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Taffeta on October 02, 2018, 03:30:01 PM
Quote from: katrine2309 on October 02, 2018, 03:19:33 PM
No, it might not seem like a good strategy to release two sets with shady at the same time. But then again Hasbro did so with Posey and Lickety Split didn’t they? I’m fairly certain that the two first sets (Groom and style and the set with white tootsie) overlapped. Leikin, do you remember?

It wouldn’t surprise me if Shady had two releases at more or less the same time. I saw in a Swedish ad/toy catalogue that Pony friends and movie stars were both sold in spring -87. For the autumn catalogue in 87, only the Movie star ponies were left, which led me to the theory that Pony Friends might have been released in 1986.

But then again, it could just be their focus on advertising. In Norway I found an ad including both movie star ponies and Cupcake from summer 1988 with the title “New pony friends”. Although I am fairly sure that they all were sold in stores here before that. You can’t really trust it without multiple sources.

I would love to see those ads O.O. Any chance of that? I obviously won't use them on the site or anything, but it would be amazing to see them anyway.

And that helps hugely. Remembering the Movie Stars lost stickers...maybe that makes them particularly late over there. A thought or a theory...

The Mountain Boys here happened in 1987. Because of that, the Adventure Boys got shunted back to 1988. That caused a lot of confusion because the Brothers have 1987 on their card too, and are on a 1987 insert. I have Hasbro's list, though, and it says Mountain Boys for 1987, Adventure Boys for 1988 (with second set 1989 as Big Brother Ponies) . The card style I have for Tug is also definitely 1988, and no stickers! You see where I am going with this...

We know that the Movie Stars are 1987 in the UK for sure. And you guys had the same packaging. The UK ones seemed to stop with stickers during 1987, so they must've kept going later than that. Any chance they did the same over there and that their set was maybe pushed back to make way for Truly and co? Truly's card is MUCH more like the art for 1986 albeit modified than 1987. So it makes sense they'd be in the slot between Fables and Movie Stars. Maybe, like the Mountain Boys here, they were only there for a short time. I estimate Mountain Boys happened in about 6 months here, between October, when my Mum first saw them as new stuff before my sister was born, and Spring. I had 3 of the set between November and February 1987 and I loved them. I would have definitely been looking for the others if they had still been around after that, but I never saw the other 3. (I still have never seen Lightning MOC :'( )

Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: katrine2309 on October 02, 2018, 03:54:21 PM
The Norwegian ads I can post here for sure! They are all mine, and I have them lying around somewhere :P I have to look for the Swedish ads. I know where I saw them first (on the Swedish forum), but the pictures are not there anymore and I never saved them  :argh:

I always thought it made sense that Pony friends came in between Fables and Movie stars. But I think they were a fairly popular set. I see a lot of Truly’s second-hand here. They were probably longer for sale than the Fables, or at least had more stock. I’m not really sure which. Hmm, I’ll try to dig up those Swedish ads - maybe they will tell us more or if we are really lucky, Leikin already knows and have all the ads saved on her PC :P

I actually  think we more or less followed your release of the big brothers here in Norway. I got Barnacle from my aunt, and I have a picture of that day holding him. I am 100% sure that was in 1989. Of course that isn’t actual proof or anything ;)
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Taffeta on October 02, 2018, 04:00:49 PM
Hehe xD I can be so concrete with the Mountain Boys because Mum bought Sunburst because she knew I didn't have him as they were brand new. And my sister being born is a concrete and immovable event. Thus 1987! Case proven :)

I also have some photos with her as a baby her first Christmas, which helps me to date other things that are in the photo behind her - Dream Castle and Tropical Breeze - because I know I had the castle for my birthday and Tropi with the birthday money. So that must've also been 1987.

Yay for babies and dating items!

It's harder for me to know with Shady here whether I had her in 1987 or not. I have a comic in which I wrote she was my favourite pony and that I had 8 ponies and was aged 5 (lol). But mathematically I'm not sure if I had her or not then :/ I always have trouble figuring out the timeline for my first eight ponies to see if she was number 8 :) I also don't know if she had a sticker, I can't remember, so that doesn't help either.

The style of card helps with the 1987/1988 divide a LOT....but it doesn't help with ponies who were out in 1987 and who might've carried on to 1988...like the Princess Ponies here, who kept on sale with the 1987 boxes in 1988 (sigh).
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Leikin on October 03, 2018, 07:18:16 AM
Quote from: Taffeta on October 02, 2018, 02:10:51 AM
Leikin, I want to come and dig through your collection too! xD.
You are most welcome, as long as I can come and dig through your collection too!  :lol:

I didnt find my backcards, but some other stuff.

One toy catalogue from fall 1986 wich includes
My little pony
Regnbågsponny (rainbow pony)
Sagoponny (fable pony)
Bröllopsponny (Bridal pony, Confetti Wedding Bells)
Babyset (Play and care, first set with CC, Blossom and baby Appleajack)
Barnvagn (Baby Cuddles with Buggy)
Stall (Show stable)
Slott (Dream castle)
Kläder (Pony Wear)

A christmas catalogue for 1986/87 (not mine, but belonging to Cherilee on the swedish forum. Uses the same picture as from above catalogue)
https://postimg.cc/dLHmGGBd  (https://postimg.cc/dLHmGGBd)
2 - Baby Set (again, play n care first release)
3 - My little pony Spilta (Pretty Parlour, we had italy Peachy, dont know if we had HK as well)
4 - My little pony stort stall (Show stable)
5 - My little pony barnvagn (Buggy with cuddles)
6 - Regnbågsponny (Rainbow pony)
7 - My little pony Drömslott (dream castle)
8 - My little pony bröllopspony (confetti wedding bells, I guess it was this christmas I received that one, the only pony I actually remember when I got as a child :P )
9 - Ponyhästar (just translates "pony horses". Says there are 8 to choose from, looking at the numbering on the pics, it seems to be referring to the earth ponies)

Another catalogue from fall 1987 including
A - Paradise Estate
B - Regnbågsponny (rainbowpony)
C - Filmponny (movie star)
D - Party Kläder (Paty pony wear)
E - Babypnony (baby pony, and, looking at the price difference between the PnC babies from the other catalogie, Im pretty sure these are the carded original six babies.
F - Sjöponny (Seapony)
G - Babykläder (baby Pony wear with pocket pals)
H - Megan och Sundance (Same as US version?)
I - Baby Buggy (with Cuddles)
J - Stroller ( Baby Lemon Drop with pink stroller, I'm not sure which version, but I guess NC, as I'm not 100% sure we had the HK one.

So it seems that the fable ponies where out in fall 1986, and then disapeared in 1987, whereas the rainbowponies stayed for another season/Year (but I think we both had the US carded and UK carded sets here, so it might be different releases of them as well) And in 1987 the movie star ponies where introduced.

I also have a poster that I belive is swedish (got it from a neighbours daughters childhood collection)
Is has no year on it, but I guess it dates somewhere between 1986/1987, as it contains both the fable ponies and movie stars. Funny thing though, Gusty is the fable pony version, but is set alongside with the movie stars, so I guess they thought it silly to add her twice ^^
Also, it shows white moondancer instead of yellow
What is odd though, is that the christmas catalogue from between the other two catalogue, dont mentiones either the movie stars, nor the fable ponies (even though some of them appears on the picture). But on the other hand, the christmas catalogue is from a toy store, while the other fall catalogues are from the importer, so it might be explained that they where available here, just not carried by that particular toy store at that time.

Interesting here is the earth ponies, mixing both CP Bowtie with shy pose applejack, dark cone lickety split, and green tootsie. :P  But they are 8 to choose from, just as mentioned in the christmas catalogue. 

And, I found in an old thread at the swedish forum, discussing swedish releases, that my brochure shows green Tootsie instead of Shady in the set with Truly and Cupcake. But I dont know which one is the right one. as it seems both fable Gusty and movie star Gusty where somewhat available at the same time, I guess two releases of Shady could be released. Although Shady would be the same, whereas Gusty is a little bit different in the both releases. Another theory was that Shady was pictured instead of Snowflake on the card, but as Snowflake also was included with the earth ponies along with green tootsie it seems odd... This one is really intruiging  :biggrin:

So, now I just need to figure out how to upload the images from my phone.. :P
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Taffeta on October 03, 2018, 07:26:56 AM
You can come rummage my collection if I get to run away with your MOC Windy! (I am pretty sure it is you who has her *beady eyes*)...

Ahem. Back on topic.

That list is amazing. Thank you. I would love to see all the pictures, but even just having the list of data is helpful. I was going to ask about the original play and care sets so you've answered that for me, yay :D

...That image also looks like it has a curly year 3 American Bow Tie wearing ponywear. Any comments on that on or off the record? ;) She doesn't look to be Italian. I wonder if this is like the UK, where they used US ponies as models on inserts or promotions but then sold different versions here. The 1990 Hasbro book has baby Splashes with purple hair, for example.

Bröllopsponny is now my new favourite term ever. Although I am sure my English brain is thoroughly butchering the pronunciation ;)

Sea Ponies - which? Did you have the US ones? The UK ones? The Italian ones? Just the babies? Second set?

As for Green Tootsie. I guess the question is, how common is she over there second hand? How common is Shady? It's not conclusive but it's a start. It is interesting though. I'll keep that in mind even if we don't have a solution for it - I'll probably list them according to the backcard but I'll make sure I mention that they were advertised with Tootsie not Shady in one Swedish catalogue. But it is a great mystery :)
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: katrine2309 on October 04, 2018, 02:09:01 AM
Ooh! This is so exciting! The picture Leikin linked to is the same I mentioned from an earlier post. What I also think is interesting with that one is that the Pretty Parlour is on sale. Suggesting it came earlier. I have a theory that the pretty Parlour was one of the first MLP items for sale in Norway (at least).

OK, so on to my ads. The first one I have is from oktober 1986:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/katinthewoods/30134431527/in/datetaken/

This ad has a lot of text. It seems to me that this is very clearly an introduction of My Little Pony. From the pictures we clearly see:
- Show Stable w/Lemon Drop
- Parasol (rainbow ponies)
- CP Applejack
- CP Bowtie
-Posey
- and Twinkles!

From the text they are describing my Little ponies (they are active, vain and likes to be brushed, cleaned and play dress-up). They are also describing other items they have such as raincoats, nightgown and night cap, a bedcover (not sure what they are referring to with that?), hairdresser saloon (this I am sure is a refernce to the pretty Parlour) and their own dog and cat (again, pretty parlour). I know we had the UK ponywear in the beginning. I still have my childhood ponywear and the raincoat and nightgown is UK ;) They finish the ad with writing «Come and meet your My Little Pony in your nearest Ringo-store».

The next ad I have is from May 1987:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/katinthewoods/44351142314/in/datetaken/

Aaaaand yes, it is the exact same one as the previous. Oh joy... It seems ads were expensive back then too, and they were obviously so pleased with the first one that they used it again. Doesn’t help us much though...

The last one is from June 1988: https://www.flickr.com/photos/katinthewoods/44351142094/in/datetaken/

This one is interesting. The headline here is «New Friends» ( Nye Venner), but keep in mind that ads tend to not get updated too often (as we just learned from the previous ad). I think this might be covering ponies from fall 1987-spring 1988. They are also specifiying that this is «the real My Little Pony-series», indicating that fakies are being sold quite extensively :lol: From the picture we see:

Baby ponies - I suspect these to be the carded version.
Megan and Sundance - sporting their Megan and Sundance clothes
Flutterbye- indicating that Rainbow ponies are still being sold ( I suspect this to be old stock though)
- Cupcake - in her band uniform! But since she is the only one from this set I think she is old stock too.
- the movie stars - represented by Windwhistler, Magic Star, Buttons (I think they might be the «new friends» together with Megan and Sundance).
- aaand shy-pose Bowtie! :P

I actually think the most interesting pony here is shy-pose Bowtie. I know this is controversial in a sense, but I actually think she was sold here. We know there is a rare version of Applejack (shy-pose) being found in Sweden sometimes, and I distinctly remember that I knew Bowtie excisted in the shy-pose. I was a super envious kid, and usually liked what others had more than what I had myself (yes, it was a bad thing- but I grew up to be better. I promise! ;) ). I always wanted Bowtie in the shy-pose, and I have a vague feeling admiring someone’s shy-pose Bowtie and then feeling guilty because I liked her more than my own CP Bowtie. I never put much weight behind the memory until I started seeing her in ads. Why would I want to have Bowtie in the shy-pose if I never knew she exsisted?

OK, on to some interesting differences between Swedish/Norwegian releases.

Pretty Parlour: I am 100% sure we had the HK Peachy. My sister has her as a childhood and I’ve seen her plenty second-hand. I’m not sure if we also had Italy Peachy, but I haven’t seen her yet.

Baby ponies: When Sweden had it’s first release of PnC babies (include. AJ), I believe Norway had the US boxed releases of the first set of baby ponies. The reason I think so is based on personal memories, and childhood collections. I had baby Blossom with her accessories as a kid, and I remember the US box (I had it for years until my mom burned all my backcards... :cry:). Also, my sister had baby Surprise with puffy and accessories. My neighbour had baby Moondancer with accessories. Aaand, this is a little embarassing but I’ll say it anyway, my friend had baby Glory with accessories. The reason I know for sure that she did is because I stole (yes, actually stole) her baby Glory’s crib blanket. You see, my baby Glory came on card and didn’t have her accessories and I loved that crib blanket. So, I took it. I still have it actually :blush:

And lastly, some replies to your questions Taffeta ;)

Seaponies: I don’t know for sure which ones we had. What I can say is that we had them. We had the adults (not sure which sets) and we had babies. The only thing I know is that we had the US version of the Pretty ‘n Pearly set. I have Ripple as a childhood pony and she is the US-version.

Green/white Tootsie and Shady: I would say that green and white Tootsie is equally common second-hand. I see them both. A lot. Shady is also fairly common I think. She pops up every now and then. And she is often in childhood lots too.
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Shaz on October 04, 2018, 02:51:02 AM
I have nothing productive to add to this discussion, but I just want to say that it is really interesting and I am loving seeing the adverts!  :lovey:
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Taffeta on October 04, 2018, 03:47:07 AM
Yay for more ads! These are brilliant (and thanks for the translation, too. Unfortunately my viking ancestry doesn't give me the power to read Norwegian or Swedish, sadly :/)

So, let's begin with the Elephant (or the pony) in the room...Bow Tie. She's in Leikin's Swedish ad and Katrine's norwegian one, so that makes it more than just a coincidence to me. It might be that in some ways your countries shared ponies and pictures like we shared them in later years with Germany, France, etc...BUT that seems convenient as these are different photo shoots. Bow Tie was in ponywear in Leikin's as well, but not the same outfit.

So, in the UK, Hasbro UK used the 1984 set (Bubbles etc) to advertise ponywear in the 1985 insert (all drawings, no photographs) but didn't advertise them as a set. I know they were still in stores around that time, it's pretty clear, because Hasbro UK never took old stuff off shelves if it was selling, and just added new things. But they didn't actively promote that set as a set after 1984. They also appear on Butterscotch's 1985 Gymkhana package (but not 1984 packaging, ironically). The way Bow Tie is used to advertise ponywear in both these ads makes me wonder if she's also old stock, like Katrine, you mentioned Cupcake etc.

So there are 2 options here as far as I can see, because she's definitely curly.

Either there was an import of curly Bow Tie in Scandinavian countries - at least, in Norway and in Sweden, apparently at different times, some years after Bow Tie was sold in the US.

OR

Bow Tie (and maybe Shy AJ) were sold on cards they weren't pictured on. So this leads me to ask the obvious question, given that we know there are at least 8 Fables on a card picturing 6...

Could AJ and Bow Tie (and maybe Green Tootsie) have all been sold on the Pony Friends card with Cupcake and co while not being pictured on that card?

With so little actual proof of MOC stuff this is just speculative. We didn't have the problem in the UK of ponies sold on cards they weren't pictured on unless Hasbro got it totally wrong and put a TE accidentally on a baby sea pony card in a factory glitch, so tracking sets is much easier. But since we know this happened in Scandinavia with the Fables (and I think with the set that had CP AJ and Bow Tie, because I think I remember you guys saying Hopscotch and Snowflake were on those cards too?)...is it possible?

Also, did white Tootsie happen over there in that 1985 set and green Tootsie maybe in the later one? Or was green Tootsie in the earlier set and white Tootsie not at all? I realised that's a blind spot for me, so while I'm on the subject...

The UK also had a habit of selling off old stock from the US in later years. We got US boxed Brush & Grows in 1991ish, even though they were out in the US in either 1988 or 1989 (I need to doublecheck that) and the carded BnGs were here in around 1989. I can't base assumptions on your countries on what happened in mine, but since there was such a close relationship between some of the things you had and the packaging and what we did, it's worth considering whether end of line year 3 ponies might have also made it to your part of the world through import.

Regarding the baby ponies! Oh dear. So Sweden had the set with baby Applejack (for sure) but Norway may not have done?  Thank you Hasbro. -.-. That makes things so much (less) helpful xD.

I don't want to fall into the trap of generalising all Scandinavian releases as the same as I know they are not, even if there is a strong relationship in some areas. I think what I am going to try to do is where there are distinct sets for either or both of your countries, I will list them and try and be accurate with their distribution. I am open to correction on European stuff at all points, because it is so different in some areas from what I grew up with - but I find it so interesting and I really want to get to grips with it as it's all part of the bigger picture in Europe.

Katrine, Megan & Sundance in the 1988 picture is the same as the set sold in the UK in 1987, if that is accurate. We had a set wearing the Country Jamboree outfit. There was some debate a few years ago about whether this actually got sold here, but I have found enough Country Jamboree outfits here (and we didn't have Megan and Ponywear) to believe in it. Then Goddessofpeep produced the backcard to the box, so we know for sure it did exist. But it's not as common as the other release, and I wonder if maybe either leftover versions trotted over to Norway in 1988, or you guys took the bulk of the stock because the first release here was still selling well in 1987... The only problem with that theory is that Sundance in the foreground is clearly wearing one of the other M&S wear outfits. Which suggests maybe they're just advertising ponywear, and the set itself is irrelevant :/

Going back to the beginning. Inception of MLP in Norway - circa 1986? Is that about right?
Leikin, for Sweden, is that the same or earlier/later?

(Also, that really is CP Bow Tie. She looks so much like Bluebelle I had to do a doubletake, but thankfully it's Bow Tie, so I don't have to start asking even more OMG questions!)
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Leikin on October 04, 2018, 04:56:35 AM
Quote from: Taffeta on October 03, 2018, 07:26:56 AM
You can come rummage my collection if I get to run away with your MOC Windy! (I am pretty sure it is you who has her *beady eyes*)...

That would be me, yes. How did you know?  :biggrin:

A lot of interesting information coming, thanks for the ads Katrine! I tried to my yesterday, but it seems I cannot directupload, so I have to find a good site for picture sharing, or would photobucket work if I just link the pics?

I guess it would make kind of sence with bowtie, as the shy pose AJ on my poster is curly hair as well. So maybe we got them both? If maybe we had the same set as in the US second year, with green Tootsie and those, and then later got the set with CP bowtie and AJ, with white tootsie, and then snowflake and Hopscotch added. I know we had Hopscotch here, my friend had her, and they never went abroad (And I was soo envious, as I loved her colours).  I also have CP Bowtie and Applejack on the same card as Hopscotch and I think they are are all bought in Sweden.  I also have green Tootsie on that card (I found out when digging through my boxes yesterday. I had completley forgot that I had her :P ) But that one I'm not sure if it comes from Sweden or not.

But I think both white and green Tootsie appears second hand here. Shady as well. But I dont think Shady appears any more then the others from the movie star set, and I assume she would, if she had been part of another set as well. On the other hand, Cupcake and Truly does not come up often either, so I dont know..  -_-

For the pony friends card, I have seen (except Truly and Cupcake) both Cherries Jubilee and Posey MOC, so at least we know they where sold on that card. It IS possible that Shy pose AJ and Bowtie where sold on that card, as both the fable set and pony set seems to include 8 ponies, so it wouldnt be that far fetched that tthe pony friends did as well. That might be an even better theory then that we had the US second set, as CJ, Tootsie , Posey And LS also seem to have come on the UK style cards. So that would maybe make more sense to add shy pose BOwtie and AJ to another set, making that 8 ponies, than to have two sets including the same ponies.

I agree that the babies seem to be the carded ones in your ad. Otherwise thoy would probably have showed som accessories more then just the bottle ^.^. Pity they dont show the prices otherwise that could have been a clue as well, as for my ads, the PnC sets are about 80kr (10$) more expensive then the ones I suspect are the carded version. So I assume it would not be so much in price difference if it where the same ponies ^^
I had PnC baby AJ as a child. I also had some of the other babies, but no accessories, so I'm pretty sure we had both. I also have MIB PnC AJ, bought from a swedish store so, Im positive about that one ^.^
But it could be true that we had different releases for Swe/Nor. (I remember I should check my carded Firefly for you Katrine, but havent dug up that box yet :P )

The adult clothing on the pic from 88 seems to be all US pony wear. I'm not sure we had any of them in Sweden, but If you had the US babies, maybe you got the clothes for US as well.
On the other hand, we also had the US pretty and pearly set. I had looking up Sunshower as a kid. So it seems we got some US stuff as well :lol: this is really anightmare to sort all out!

as for the beginning, I dont know really. The first ad I have dates back to 1986, and it doesnt mention it as something new, but the text tells us that now the ponies are celebrating a wedding in ponyland, which seems like they have been introduced before. Also, we had the Pretty Parlour, which is not part of any of my ads, and I would think that one predates the stable whos shows in the 86 catalogue. So maybe 85? or earlier 86 (as the catalogue was from the fall). Cant say for sure though, but it seems to have come somewhere before fall 1986 at least.

I like how they state that these are the real ones in the ad  :lol: Do you remember if it was common with fakies back then? ^^
And bad bad Katrine, who stole Glorys blanket!  :whoa: Did your friend never notice?  :lol:

To make it even more confusing..  >_<  I'm following kitkatvintage on instagram and she was posting about the fable pony set recently, and wrote that it was sold in france as well, but without the addition of Powder and yellow moondancer.  I dont know if they had the same english cards, as I have never seen any with french language on them.
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: katrine2309 on October 04, 2018, 06:35:21 AM
Ah, this is where it gets interesting and I’ll try to structure my answer as best as I can:

First, Bowtie: yes, she is the elephant in the room isn’t she :P I don’t think she was sold with the Pony friends, though. And after reading through what seems like a million posts at the swedish forum I am even more sure about it. There is a thread in there (a long one) trying to pin down all ponies sold in Sweden. Reading through it, I looked for anyone who confirmed to have a pony that could be connected to shy-pose Bowtie. I had a feeling you see, because I remember my neighbour had Cotton Candy. What I found was quite interesting. There was a confirmation on childhood ponies (bought in Sweden) for shy-pose Bowtie, CC Cotton Candy and Bubbles. That, combined with my own memories of Bowtie and Cotton Candy and the ads with shy-pose Bowtie I actually think she was sold here with her whole original set. And probably before 1986. But that is only a theory at this point :blink:

OK, second - seaponies: The PnP seaponies was sold both in Norway and Sweden for sure. I did find the toy brochure Leikin refers to from 1987 and the seapony that is being advertised is PnP Surf Rider. In the thread I mentioned from the swedish forum there are someone mentioning the first set of baby seaponies too, but there is no conclusion on this. I remember the adult seaponies from one of my friends house, but it is a fairly big consensus that the adults were never sold in Sweden. That might be the case in Norway as well(I might remember it wrong), or they were sold here but not in Sweden. I don’t really know.

Third, Megan and Sundance: I am fairly certain we did not get the release with the country jamboree outfit. I think they are promoting the ponywear. We did have the Megan and Sundance ponywear (I had country jamboree, flower darlings and the Beach outfit). I had Megan and Sundance as a kid (my sister did too) and they looked like this: https://www.flickr.com/photos/katinthewoods/7545166214/in/album-72157630928483042/

What is stranger still though is that even though she is the US version, Sundance is NC. My sister’s is also NC. Weird? I think so at least.

 I don’t know that much about green Tootsie. We know that they were both sold here, and we know which card white Tootsie was sold on. But I don’t know which card green Tootsie came with... ? Maybe Leikin knows more about this? She was more involved in the swedish forum when all these discussions were ongoing still :) I’ll try to check if there is anything else I can find though.
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Leikin on October 04, 2018, 06:51:09 AM
Haha, I'm also going though that thread on druvdalen. :P  But havent read through it yet, just a couple of pages. It's a pitty most of the images is gone though, and Rosses homepage, where she updated all the information. Maybe I can ask her if she still have it saved somewhere and can share it? She isnt collecting any longer, but I have her on facebook so I can ask if she have something or remembers something from back then. :) She did have a lot of Swedish sold MOCs back then too. She was one of the lucky few that lived close to that toystore that still sold new toys from the 80s.

I think the Megan and Sundance we has also was US clothes, but NC pony. Will see if I can find the pics from the swedish box, it it say anything of where they are made.

My MOC green Tootsie is on the same card as white Tootsie was sold on, but I cannot say for sure she was actually sold here, or if I got her from UK.

I think we have swayed away quite far from the original subject, :lol: But this is so interesting, so I dont mind :biggrin: Just keep it coming!! :D
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: katrine2309 on October 04, 2018, 07:38:15 AM
Ah! I didn’t see your post, Leikin! Oooh- this is so interesting. We are swaying way off the original post- although it is loosely connected to Fables through mapping down Scandinavian releases :lol:

Hmm, it is interesting with green Tootsie. I loosely remember discussions on this being two different sets though. Although I dont think anything was really conclusive on this?

It would be great to get some of the information collected back then- you were all on a roll for a while, but then it just seemed to fade out. Do you know if Ponyland is collecting still? It seems she was really active in many of these discussions too?
Title: Re: Do we know for sure which ponies came in Scandinavian Gusty's 'Fable' Set?
Post by: Taffeta on October 04, 2018, 08:02:50 AM
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Okay, back home now. I've changed the thread title hopefully so now nothing is off topic :D Because really this is the kind of information I want to know (and I love it, being a geek) :D

@Leikin - I don't remember, but I think it came up in a conversation because I was bemoaning how UK Windy never comes up MOC when I have money to afford her! She was my first pony, and I had only ever seen her on sale once, but someone said you had one, so there must be at least 2. Which is good I guess..?

Back on topic!

The start date thing is complicated here too. Hasbro told me 1985. They're wrong, because I have catalogue proof of pony stuff from 1983 (again, the Grooming Parlour/Pretty Parlor) in the Argos catalogue, then ponies in 1984 and cards marked 1984 as well which are distinctly different from 1985 (the Rainbow Ponies being one such). I also had Windy in December 1984 (see how I connected that to make it on topic? XD) so I know they were there in 1984 in time for Christmas. So Hasbro's list starts at 1985, but they were selling stuff prior to that. Ponyland I remember had something about the FF here in 1983 from a catalogue, but I haven't seen this :/ I believe we just had straight imports for that set, though. There's a kind of embryonic card evolution that goes on which I won;t bore you with, but suffice it to say, that's what makes sense.

It also makes sense that there would be imports in other places too in maybe the early part of those years. We got US end of line stuff because it's in English, yay, easy instant market. But you guys had packages in English too, so that must have made you fair game as well for such exports. Unfortunately unless we find a MOC one with a price tag on it naming a store and a currency, it's going to be hard to prove one way or another.

You could have had Bubbles' set from the UK or on UK cards, like with CJ's set. Or you could've had US ones, but that would be going back to 1983, whereas in the UK that set were still out in 1985. If you didn't have your own backcards, of course. I know there are some in Danish for early Italian ponies, right? (And we are talking about HK Bubbles, right?) In any case, you couldn't have had curly shy Bow Tie from here, because we didn't have her. We had straight hair shy and curly hair CP. So that must have either been on a US card or a completely different release (either on an existing card, or a new one). Do you have straight haired shy Bow Tie over there at all? Because if not, it seems unlikely you had the set the UK or the US had  - at least not in its entirety.

Bow Tie is still the elepony in the room for me :) But that's interesting anyway.

@Katrine - if you had M&S pony wear then that's probably the explanation. I imagine NC Sundance because that was the only Sundance in production at the time. I am not convinced NC Sundance is Spanish. Not least because her box says otherwise. But your box must have been different from the box we had in 1986. I guess you got that outfit because they made a bunch of them. Interestingly on the Movie Star card megan is shown in her UK outfit I think. But she does appear somewhere in the Uk comic in her US dress. :/

@Leikin - the MOC CJ on the Pony Friends card was dark symbol curly hair? Is that what you said before? Trying to keep it all straight for when I finally get around to revamping 1987. I actually have that variation now, but she came to me from the Netherlands.

I have not yet found another country in Europe that had the UK release of baby sea ponies. So I love baby sea ponies and at one point it was my mission to get them all MOC (I ran out of money >.> and they stopped being so cheap, so that didn't happen) but I do have a weird range of them and I know that there's a fair bit of weird with the 2nd and 4th sets in release (but Watercolor it mostly relates to Germany and why the heck they had the same ponies on 2 styles of card both in German).

Back to the pearlies. In the UK we had these in 1987. Pretty sure about that as an accurate date. The US had them in 1986. I have Tiny Bubbles and Sunshower on UK cards from 1987. I have Sunshower and Surf Rider (?) on Benelux cards (although I was told by a Dutch collector that they didn't have them in the Netherlands, so that is a puzzle!) but they are US style ponies and US art on the cards. Now you guys say both Norway and Sweden also had the looking up US pose set. So I have no idea what Hasbro UK were doing. More weird is that there are TE ponies on the cards for UK pearly baby sea ponies, which I'm sure you guys have seen. These originally were sold (lots of them) on ebay from German sellers. Not UK ones. So yeah. I have no clue.

I am assuming the Rainbow Pony set was the ones on pretty vertical cards that we also didn't get (grr), not US imports? As Flutterbye is pictured then it seems logical to assume if that were the case, you had them on Flutterbye cards. Does Starflower show up second hand in either country?

Final thought. The MOC early German packaged ponies I have either have printed on the card "Das Original Hasbro Pony! or a sticker which says the same stuck on them (sometimes more than one).
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Hopser has a sticker, but on the 1988 card it's part of the thing:
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And they just went to town with Trixi xD
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I guess she was doubly genuine! It's interesting that this fixation with "genuine" timeline wise kind of coincides with your ads as well. Hopser being around 1986, I guess, and Trixi and Zuckersuss being 1988.


Perhaps there was a more thriving fakie market in parts of Europe than in the UK? I don't remember many fakies as a kid here. And our cards didn't bother with that, nor our advertising. Now there are tons of fakies since G3 and G4. But in G1? Not sure. We did see them at carboot sales, but they weren't a flood like they are now. And clearly not enough to bother Hasbro UK.
Title: Re: Discussion on the 'Fable' Set and G1 Pony releases in Scandinavia and environs
Post by: katrine2309 on October 05, 2018, 12:59:11 AM
It seems to be I got a little overly excited yesterday regarding Bowtie :lol: I think you are absolutely right Taffeta. We might have gotten some early releases of i.e. Bubbles, but at this point it is really difficult to say unless a MOC shows up with a pricetag. And of course, our curly, shy Bowtie can’t be connected to that regardless, because as you say- it was the straight-haired version that was sold with Bubbles :blush:

Anyway, I did found yet another swedish collector saying she had shy- Bowtie as a kid. So it is starting to solidify that she was sold in Scandinavia. It is possible that she came on the Pony friends card, but another possibility is that she was an «upgrade» for the early earth ponies.

Something like this;

First release:
CP Bowtie
CP AJ
CJ (lighter symbols)
Tootsie (white or green?)
Posey (pink tulips)
Lickety (pink cones)

Then- upgrade:
Shy Bowtie
Shy AJ
Tootsie (green or white?)
Hopscotch
Snowflake

And then one or all of these might have transferred over as well.
CJ (upgrade?)
Posey (upgrade?)
Lickety (upgrade?)

So this is just a theory, and I don’t know enough yet about the LS, CJ and Posey releases to say anything about potential upgrades for them or if they stayed the same or were not included at all. I heard rumours that the darker symbols were also found on this card, and that there have been pointed out to be eight ponies in this set on an ad. But I have no proof of that yet.

Over to another set, Pony Friends:
The darker symbols were sold on the Pony Friends card, incl dark symbol CJ I think. I didn’t find anything to confirm other than posts from Ponyland. So we need to confirm with something else to be completely sure. Do we have an overview over the ponies we believe was in this set? If there were three sets of early earth ponies overlapping it would make sense that they continued on with some of the same releases, as they did in previous releases.

The Fables it seems was the only release here of early unis and pegs, until the Movie Stars arrived. I think we have a good overview of that set. However, what is interesting though is that looking through the swedish forum yesterday I came across a picture with lots of MOCs from the store-find in Sweden a couple of years ago. There was quite clearly a Sparkler on a US uni & peg card. Confused yet? :shocked: I think however this isn’t as weird as one would think. It makes sense that we would get some left-over US stock, and it would explain why I knew about ponies such as Medley and Glory pre-movie, pre-TV show and pre-Norwegian cartoon. It would also explain why the US uni & peg card always gave me a spark of recognition.

The Rainbow ponies is another story. We actually had them on both cards apparently. I know I saw one with Moonstone on the horisontal card in that picture with the MOC lot. Reading through the swedish forum though there seems to be consensus that they also were sold on the vertical cards. We did have Starflower. She has been confirmed as a childhood pony by several swedish collectors,and I’ve seen her in lots both in Norway and Sweden. Although not often. Interestingly enough, I think it was you Leikin (?) who pointed out that Moonstone had been seen advertised with this set instead of Starflower? But we did have all of them, both first and second set.

Puh! I have more thoughts on this, but my head needs a break :lol:
Title: Re: Discussion on the 'Fable' Set and G1 Pony releases in Scandinavia and environs
Post by: Taffeta on October 05, 2018, 01:44:23 AM
Two quick observations...

Moonstone is on the Flutterbye vertical card. Not Starflower. She is on a different card. Without Flutterbye.

Also to muddle things more. I had a bunch of packaging from here in the UK from someone 's childhood collection. All bought in the UK. It included 4 rainbow cards. Starshine, Skydancer and Moonstone (vertical UK 1984 style) ans Sunlight...which is US. I checked with the owner who confirmed they had no ponies sent from the US. So it seems we might have had some rainbow imports too. Just not the missing set. ..
Title: Re: Discussion on the 'Fable' Set and G1 Pony releases in Scandinavia and environs
Post by: Leikin on October 05, 2018, 03:55:12 AM
Quote from: Taffeta on October 04, 2018, 08:02:50 AM
@Leikin - I don't remember, but I think it came up in a conversation because I was bemoaning how UK Windy never comes up MOC when I have money to afford her! She was my first pony, and I had only ever seen her on sale once, but someone said you had one, so there must be at least 2. Which is good I guess..?
I actually got her on UK Ebay maybe less then a year ago :P  Unfortunately I'm not planning on selling her in the nearest future, but will keep you in mind if I I ever decide to let her go ^.^

Just a short update from me on some points. Others I will check when back home, where I have all my pictures saved.

For the early years earth ponies I have seen 8 different characters on card,
CP Applejack
CP Bowtie
Lickety Split (Both dark and light cones)
Posey (both dark and light Tulips)
Tootsie (both green and white)
Cherries Jubilee, curly hair (cant say what colour on her cherries right now though)
Hopscotch
Snowflake

Pictured on my poster is also 8 earth ponies, same characters as above, with green tootsie (not white) But with Shy pose curly hair applejack instead of CP applejack. But I have never seen the shy pose on that card.  I think it says 86 on the cards, but that doesnt neccecerly mean anything more than they where not sold before 86 at least :P

Katrine with the lot of mocs pictured, do you mean the one with yellow moondancer MOC in the pile? I think that the person had others in that as well, not only what was foun in that store, but what they may have bought otherwise as well, as there are a few that seems to not belong to Sweden (there was a TE on a seaponycard in there as well, and I think Tafetta said that they alre originated from Germany)

The Rainbow ponies I belive we had both vertical and horisontal cards. In my brochyre from 87 I think, which is mentioned in the swedish thread, Moonstone is pictured with the second set of rainbows, instead of starflower. As She rarely shows up second hand, while the other rainbows from that set does quite often, I raised the question if she had been sold at all in Sweden (maybe you have seen that thread as well Katrine?).  But several people confirmed to have had her as a child, so she must have been. My theory is that she was sold on the horisontal cards, same as in US. Most of my MOC 2 set rainbows came from that Swedish store with old stock, so they are sweden sold. 
Another collector who had a lot of MOCs from someone who had collected them in Sweden back in the 80s, had several of the vertical card 2 set rainbows, so we had those as well. Aaand, finally, a few weeks ago, another swedish collector shared her pics from her childhood collection, with a vertical card 2nd set rainbow, with Moonstones name on it. So, If we had both sets, and on the vertical cards, Starflower was replaced by Moonstone, that would explain why starflower is so much harder to find second hand here, then the rest of the set.
For the first set of rainbows, I dont know if we had them all, or just a few rereleases. I have not seen any of the vertical carded ones here in Sweden, and the only horisontal carded one from that set, that I got from the Swedish store, is Moonstone, on a second set US rainbow card, so she must have been part of ther rereleased for the second set. 
I only had 2nd set rainbows as a child, but I know some have had Windy at least, my cousin had Parasol and some seem to pop up second hand as well, but they might be part of rerelease with the others, and not part of the first set.
Title: Re: Discussion on the 'Fable' Set and G1 Pony releases in Scandinavia and environs
Post by: Taffeta on October 05, 2018, 04:35:28 AM
So for rainbow confusion clarity, I realise these are both Spanish cards but I have the Starflower one in German as well. I have only ever seen the Flutterbye one in English but it doesn't mean the other one doesn't exist as well. But for some reason there are 2 set formations at work here :/
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The Spanish cards are dated 1986 and 1988 respectively and the accessories differ, but again, that's the Spanish release. I guess that Starflower being less common may mean that you had both these sets on English card but fewer of the latter one...but I'm just speculating based on the probability you had the Flutterbye set. Moonstone, as you see, is on that card :) If you had 2 releases of Rainbows but Moonstone only appeared in one and Starflower only appeared in one, that would make both harder to find than the others, right?

I don't know how Parasol might or might not fit into that.
Title: Re: Discussion on the 'Fable' Set and G1 Pony releases in Scandinavia and environs
Post by: katrine2309 on October 05, 2018, 06:04:54 AM
Quote from: Leikin on October 05, 2018, 03:55:12 AM
For the early years earth ponies I have seen 8 different characters on card,
CP Applejack
CP Bowtie
Lickety Split (Both dark and light cones)
Posey (both dark and light Tulips)
Tootsie (both green and white)
Cherries Jubilee, curly hair (cant say what colour on her cherries right now though)
Hopscotch
Snowflake

Pictured on my poster is also 8 earth ponies, same characters as above, with green tootsie (not white) But with Shy pose curly hair applejack instead of CP applejack. But I have never seen the shy pose on that card.  I think it says 86 on the cards, but that doesnt neccecerly mean anything more than they where not sold before 86 at least :P

This is interesting, and it in some ways supports the theory that this set was released, then re-released:

First: CP Bowtie, CP AJ, CJ (paler symbols), Tootsie (green or white?), Posey (pink tulips), Lickety (pink cones).

Re-release: shy Bowtie, shy AJ, CJ (darker symbols), Tootsie (green or white?), Posey (magenta), Lickety (magenta), Hopscotch, Snowflake.

I’m excited about this! *looking forward to hours of time spent to try to prove this theory* :crazy: I also did see that Ponyland  talked about this as two sets, but I can’t find anything specific as to why she also came to that conclusion. She talks about «new information» that proves it, but never what that information is. I haven’t seen anyone putting shy Bowtie or AJ into this set though (but then again, they are mysterious and elusive).

Quote from: Leikin on October 05, 2018, 03:55:12 AM
Katrine with the lot of mocs pictured, do you mean the one with yellow moondancer MOC in the pile? I think that the person had others in that as well, not only what was foun in that store, but what they may have bought otherwise as well, as there are a few that seems to not belong to Sweden (there was a TE on a seaponycard in there as well, and I think Tafetta said that they alre originated from Germany)

Ah well, that explains a lot. However, I have mostly looked at the Pony Friends and Fable set. Are we certain that those at least are from the swedish store? I was under the impression that we could assume they were? Or should I disregard that photo altogether do you think?

Quote from: Leikin on October 05, 2018, 03:55:12 AM
I raised the question if she had been sold at all in Sweden (maybe you have seen that thread as well Katrine?). 

Yes, that was the thread I meant. Is it you that have that brochure by the way? It is awesome! The artwork is really good- I am a little jealous of that one :P

Quote from: Leikin on October 05, 2018, 03:55:12 AM
I only had 2nd set rainbows as a child, but I know some have had Windy at least, my cousin had Parasol and some seem to pop up second hand as well, but they might be part of rerelease with the others, and not part of the first set.


Yes, I have also found both Moonstone, Starshine, Parasol and several Windy’s second-hand. I remember my neighbour had Parasol and Skydancer. My friend had Starshine. I can’t say for sure if the first set was released here, but I think it was more than just a few lest-over stock. I do find too many of them second-hand. Not as many as say, Flutterbye, but still... Also, it is the ads with Parasol from 86-87 from Norway. It seems to me that the rainbows were released together with the early earth ponies. They might have released them all together in 1986 of course, but that seems odd since the swedish toy Catalogue from 87 specifies six rainbow ponies. It is of course also possible that this set was released differently in Norway and Sweden. They did with the PnC babies from that year, so perhaps they did with the rainbows too? Is Parasol used in swedish ads from 86-87?

@Taffeta: I’ve never seen those two backcards before! So fun to see! It is possible that they did a switch like this. It would explain why Starflower is so rare here. Although, I notice that they also switched Parasol with Flutterbye. I don’t know with Sweden, but both of those are very common to find second-hand over here. Flutterbye is perhaps the pony I find most of. She is always there :lol: wouldn’t a switch in sets like this imply that Parasol and Flutterbye would be difficult to find too?

Edit: The set with Flutterbye on the Spanish card is the exact same set advertised in your brouchure, Leikin! That was a very big coincidence to just be a random thing! Would it be possible that we had three releases of rainbows? First set of rainbows, and then these two? But you mentioned something about set 2 rainbows on horizontal cards, Leikin?
Title: Re: Discussion on the 'Fable' Set and G1 Pony releases in Scandinavia and environs
Post by: LadyMoondancer on October 05, 2018, 06:21:36 AM
Quote from: katrine2309 on October 04, 2018, 06:35:21 AM
Third, Megan and Sundance: I am fairly certain we did not get the release with the country jamboree outfit. I think they are promoting the ponywear. We did have the Megan and Sundance ponywear (I had country jamboree, flower darlings and the Beach outfit). I had Megan and Sundance as a kid (my sister did too) and they looked like this: https://www.flickr.com/photos/katinthewoods/7545166214/in/album-72157630928483042/

What is stranger still though is that even though she is the US version, Sundance is NC. My sister’s is also NC. Weird? I think so at least.

Looks like you got "So-Soft Megan" (the version released with SS Sundance in the US).  SS Megan has stronger eyeshadow than NSS Megan.

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Title: Re: Discussion on the 'Fable' Set and G1 Pony releases in Scandinavia and environs
Post by: Taffeta on October 05, 2018, 08:46:39 AM
Re the rainbows. Maybe then the answer is you had set 1 then the flutterbye set and maybe some US imports along the way to account for Starflower?

I don't know if the Starflower card exists in English. I have seen it in Spanish and often for German packaged Italian rainbows including parasol with 2nd year colours in the hair. I have not seen it in English.

The flutterbye one exists in English. The person I know with Flutterbye moc on this card said she got it from Australia. I have seen nc versions on French card and nc and Spanish on Spanish cards. And there is talk of hk ones on German cards but I am less sure about that one right now.

What I know for sure is we had none of them. We had set 1 and Wedding bells. Nothing else. But like Medley etc the ponies were all in our stories...

Edit to add: Given the track record over there of ponies on cards they aren't pictured on, Starflower could easily have been on the Flutterbye card too...just maybe later on.

I also feel like Hasbro somehow had a card problem over there. Although it seems more like they gave you more ponies than pictured, rather than cards with pictures of ponies you didn't get...so I suppose that's nice.

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