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Title: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on August 22, 2018, 06:59:00 AM
Hasbro's done more and more 80s themed posts on their Facebook this year, from putting the G4 ponies in 80s inspired "movie posters" to posting the shoo-be-doo sea pony song, and this morning this post:

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A recreation of a G1 lunchbox . . . made from Play-Doh, no less!
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Post by: banditpony on August 22, 2018, 07:22:42 AM
That's so sweet!
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 22, 2018, 07:30:03 AM
That is SO. FREAKING. CUTE.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Safflower on August 22, 2018, 07:44:56 AM
How sweet! So many rainbows :D
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: MerryAnvil on August 22, 2018, 07:49:06 AM
It's so nice to see this from Hasbro! I wonder if it'll pique the curiousity of some FiM fans, maybe spread the G1 pony love! Always wonderful to see more new collectors becoming interested.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Eternia on August 22, 2018, 07:55:32 AM
I think they have realized the G4 brony fad has died down a lot; and now they are like “oh yeah remember the other group of pony fans? Let’s cater to them now!”
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: flutterscotch on August 22, 2018, 08:19:10 AM
I would have pined over that lunchbox as a kid.

It might just be me, but when I was a kid it was kind of the cusp of changing from metal to plastic lunchboxes. And I just didn't like the plastic lunchboxes as much because they were completely flat (most of the lunchboxes I had were dimensional) and they felt way cheaper.

This would have been an awesome compromise.

Because this is just OK in my opinion.
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Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on August 22, 2018, 08:31:44 AM
They've been posting on Instagram, too! I hope it keeps going for the rest of the year at least!
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Galactica on August 22, 2018, 08:48:23 AM
Hasbro's done more and more 80s themed posts on their Facebook this year, from putting the G4 ponies in 80s inspired "movie posters" to posting the shoo-be-doo sea pony song, and this morning this post:

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A recreation of a G1 lunchbox . . . made from Play-Doh, no less!

Wow love this!!!!
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Sunset on August 22, 2018, 09:07:49 AM
Wouldn’t you have loved being the person who got to work on that?  In fact, I’d imagine the person who works on play dough promotional stuff has a pretty awesome job!

And yes, I’ve noticed a lot of g1 stuff they have posted lately.  I need to stop reading the comments though.  Lots of love but also lots of comments like “ugg” and “nope” and “eeww”.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: mlp4me on August 22, 2018, 09:11:06 AM
Goes to show you that they haven't completely forgotten about us Toys R Us kids...
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on August 22, 2018, 09:14:06 AM
Flutterscotch, I didn't like plastic lunchboxes either.  Metal lunchboxes forever!  I got this retro lunchbox recently:

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Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 22, 2018, 09:24:04 AM
Flutterscotch, I didn't like plastic lunchboxes either.  Metal lunchboxes forever!  I got this retro lunchbox recently:

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Where did you get that?
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on August 22, 2018, 09:48:08 AM
I got it off Amazon, but I believe it's made by Loungefly.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 22, 2018, 10:07:57 AM
I got it off Amazon, but I believe it's made by Loungefly.

Its pretty. Thanks LM!
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: PrincessNikki on August 22, 2018, 10:10:15 AM
I would have pined over that lunchbox as a kid.

It might just be me, but when I was a kid it was kind of the cusp of changing from metal to plastic lunchboxes. And I just didn't like the plastic lunchboxes as much because they were completely flat (most of the lunchboxes I had were dimensional) and they felt way cheaper.

This would have been an awesome compromise.

Because this is just OK in my opinion.
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  ohhhh ahhhh I had that lunchbox as a kid! came with a thermos too.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: flutterscotch on August 22, 2018, 10:17:21 AM
I would have pined over that lunchbox as a kid.

It might just be me, but when I was a kid it was kind of the cusp of changing from metal to plastic lunchboxes. And I just didn't like the plastic lunchboxes as much because they were completely flat (most of the lunchboxes I had were dimensional) and they felt way cheaper.

This would have been an awesome compromise.

Because this is just OK in my opinion.
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  ohhhh ahhhh I had that lunchbox as a kid! came with a thermos too.

 Did you notice it's the same design as the one originally posted by the OP of this thread :)  Which means you need it.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Taffeta on August 22, 2018, 11:14:58 AM
Rainbow Magic's wings are missing o.O.

I was going to make a cynical comment about the choice of image because one of the Fluttershys looks a lot like Rainbow Magic, but missing off the wings in the playdoh version isn't a great way of doing that.

As a kid, I would have probably had a monumental grudge against Hasbro for missing her wings off xD. Rainbow Magic was super special to me back then :)

On another note, if Hasbro want to cater to G1 fans, maybe do more to support Basic Fun instead of telling everyone that they basically have nothing to do with the retros. And maybe also ditch the mane 6 core pony squad idea and get back to actual creative different ideas and themes centred on a toyline...?

I'm not bothered about them remaking G1 or even making ponies that look like G1 ever again, if they don't want to. But at least give the kids the chance to choose more and imagine more, rather than telling them a fixed story and only selling them the characters from that story.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Magicharp on August 22, 2018, 12:13:20 PM
That's cute.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Sky_Rocket_Sammie on August 22, 2018, 05:40:42 PM
Great to see all the G1 love going on, I was at the right age to have had a metal lunch box. Then they were banned and I had to switch to plastic. Plastic just dosen't have the detail and amount of illustrations as metal. Am thrilled to see the recent crop of retro ones, that Starshine one is fantastic.

Actually, all of that line from Lounge Fly is awesome, just wish I could find it easier.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: kestral_kitsune on August 22, 2018, 06:41:22 PM
It's so nice to see this from Hasbro! I wonder if it'll pique the curiousity of some FiM fans, maybe spread the G1 pony love! Always wonderful to see more new collectors becoming interested.
i saw some people on the photo asking why they were posting this 'garbage'. cue angry people lol.

I think its neat that they're showing the older ponies
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: achab1984 on August 22, 2018, 07:13:42 PM
That is so cool! :)
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: toyjunky on August 22, 2018, 08:01:02 PM
It might just be me, but when I was a kid it was kind of the cusp of changing from metal to plastic lunchboxes. And I just didn't like the plastic lunchboxes as much because they were completely flat (most of the lunchboxes I had were dimensional) and they felt way cheaper.

I had both metal lunchboxes as a younger child and plastic ones later on. I still have some of the metal ones (I wish I still had the metal tv trays). Downside of the metal ones is that they don't survive as nicely as the plastic ones did overtime (or at least mine anyways). My plastic ones are basically fine (with expected wear from carrying them to school everyday), but the metal ones have rust in a bunch of places and scratched off paint.

That Play-doh MLP lunchbox is adorable.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: flutterscotch on August 22, 2018, 09:34:17 PM
It might just be me, but when I was a kid it was kind of the cusp of changing from metal to plastic lunchboxes. And I just didn't like the plastic lunchboxes as much because they were completely flat (most of the lunchboxes I had were dimensional) and they felt way cheaper.

I had both metal lunchboxes as a younger child and plastic ones later on. I still have some of the metal ones (I wish I still had the metal tv trays). Downside of the metal ones is that they don't survive as nicely as the plastic ones did overtime (or at least mine anyways). My plastic ones are basically fine (with expected wear from carrying them to school everyday), but the metal ones have rust in a bunch of places and scratched off paint.

That Play-doh MLP lunchbox is adorable.

I just always had an issue with the stickers on the plastic one immediately getting wet and then peeling off the corners, and driving me insane.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Taffeta on August 23, 2018, 03:27:49 AM
I had a plastic lunchbox as a kid with Love Melody and maybe Dancing Butterflies on it. It was pink and it still has its image on it now. I use it to store small merch frrom my childhood, like hairclips and pens and stuff. In the UK ones, produced by Bluebird I think? They didn't use a paper label but a decal. Of course, you could scratch those off...I had a couple of flasks that have been a little...scratched...but the main decal on my lunchbox is still good.

I never saw metal lunchboxes here for MLP or even any toy when I was a kid. But I feel like Bluebird at the time really had a monopoly on kids' lunchboxes, since they did a lot of popular characters.

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Yep, here it is, with some of its friends picked up from carboot sales. The images have lasted really well since the TAF one is about 1988 and the other even older. And they obviously got wet a lot...

Also, LOL at the angry bronies. :)
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on August 23, 2018, 08:52:10 AM
Not to steal the FiM meme but... Haters Gonna Hate!  :-p
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: flutterscotch on August 23, 2018, 09:12:48 AM
I had a plastic lunchbox as a kid with Love Melody and maybe Dancing Butterflies on it. It was pink and it still has its image on it now. I use it to store small merch frrom my childhood, like hairclips and pens and stuff. In the UK ones, produced by Bluebird I think? They didn't use a paper label but a decal. Of course, you could scratch those off...I had a couple of flasks that have been a little...scratched...but the main decal on my lunchbox is still good.

I never saw metal lunchboxes here for MLP or even any toy when I was a kid. But I feel like Bluebird at the time really had a monopoly on kids' lunchboxes, since they did a lot of popular characters.

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Yep, here it is, with some of its friends picked up from carboot sales. The images have lasted really well since the TAF one is about 1988 and the other even older. And they obviously got wet a lot...

Also, LOL at the angry bronies. :)


There were no metal MLP lunchboxes anywhere as far as I can tell. Those decals would have been better to the plastic coated paper stickers we got.  I had to walk to school, about a half mile, so the paper sticker ones were usually peeling on me by October no matter how careful I tried to be with the umbrella. It's almost the end of the world when you're 8.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on August 23, 2018, 09:56:01 AM
There were no 80s metal lunchboxes for MLP as far as I know.  The ones my family had were from the 70s I think?  Scooby Doo, etc.
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Post by: lalalei2001 on August 23, 2018, 10:01:11 AM
I always wanted there to be toys of the 80s villains. I always had to pretend they were invisible XD
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: flutterscotch on August 23, 2018, 01:31:39 PM
There were no 80s metal lunchboxes for MLP as far as I know.  The ones my family had were from the 70s I think?  Scooby Doo, etc.
My first few lunchboxes were metal.  Dark Crystal, Strawberry Shortcake, but then I wanted a MLP one.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: katrine2309 on August 25, 2018, 01:09:52 PM
Rainbow Magic's wings are missing o.O.

I was going to make a cynical comment about the choice of image because one of the Fluttershys looks a lot like Rainbow Magic, but missing off the wings in the playdoh version isn't a great way of doing that.

As a kid, I would have probably had a monumental grudge against Hasbro for missing her wings off xD. Rainbow Magic was super special to me back then :)

On another note, if Hasbro want to cater to G1 fans, maybe do more to support Basic Fun instead of telling everyone that they basically have nothing to do with the retros. And maybe also ditch the mane 6 core pony squad idea and get back to actual creative different ideas and themes centred on a toyline...?

I'm not bothered about them remaking G1 or even making ponies that look like G1 ever again, if they don't want to. But at least give the kids the chance to choose more and imagine more, rather than telling them a fixed story and only selling them the characters from that story.

 :iconclap: :iconclap:
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Strawberry Swirl on August 25, 2018, 03:53:17 PM
OMG, I love that lunchbox!
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Sky_Rocket_Sammie on August 25, 2018, 11:23:19 PM
There were no 80s metal lunchboxes for MLP as far as I know.  The ones my family had were from the 70s I think?  Scooby Doo, etc.
My first few lunchboxes were metal.  Dark Crystal, Strawberry Shortcake, but then I wanted a MLP one.

I was the reverse of that and wanted the Dark Crystal one the most. Sadly, I never got it but I did get a Labyrinth one. A plastic one, wish I'd kept that what with all the new interest in the movie.

Those folks who are hating on this, do they even realize that without G1 there would be no G4. Show some respect for how the brand started. *sigh* That's why I have distanced myself from G4.
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Post by: starstrider on August 26, 2018, 05:53:04 AM
We only rarely had character themed lunch boxes in primary school here in Australia in the 80s and 90s, I don't think they were as widely available in stores here as they were in the US.  Always wanted one, though!  Bought this one earlier this week, can't wait for it to arrive  :)

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Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 26, 2018, 06:11:44 AM
I had a plastic MLP lunchbox, it was all brand new too. Sadly, it met a disgusting fate. I forgot it at school over the weekend with food in it. The smell was so foul I threw it away on the spot and boooy did I get in trouble with my grandma, because she was the one who bought it for me.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on August 26, 2018, 06:16:18 AM
I never had any of the MLP lunch boxes as a kid.
Honestly I think the only MLP merch I had as a kid other than a few of the ponies was a puzzle XD

But yes I have noticed Hasbro posting these things, along with their G4 remakes of some 80's sitcom opening themes (which for those I honestly cringe XD)

Sad to see that there are still some people hating on Hasbro bringing this stuff to the forefront
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 26, 2018, 06:19:56 AM
I never had any of the MLP lunch boxes as a kid.
Honestly I think the only MLP merch I had as a kid other than a few of the ponies was a puzzle XD

But yes I have noticed Hasbro posting these things, along with their G4 remakes of some 80's sitcom opening themes (which for those I honestly cringe XD)

Sad to see that there are still some people hating on Hasbro bringing this stuff to the forefront

It is astonishing how some people think they're the only fans who count.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: MJNSEIFER on August 26, 2018, 06:22:42 AM
I think they have realized the G4 brony fad has died down a lot; and now they are like “oh yeah remember the other group of pony fans? Let’s cater to them now!”
They could also be trying to get bronies to appreciate G4, as I still remember them asking them to appreciate the "pre-Equestria ponies" or whatever it was they referred to G4 as.  The cool thing about Hasbro is that it never really forgets its generations, as they'll often release something from the older generations, or at least do something to remind you that the older generations still exit (Hasbro still upload clips of old generations to YouTube for example, or at least they did.) I think they want to give the older fans something, but also gain some newer fans too, which is awesome.

I wouldn't be surprised if when we get the G5 or further, they'll still bring out the odd G4 thing for the same reasons.


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Those folks who are hating on this, do they even realize that without G1 there would be no G4. Show some respect for how the brand started. *sigh* That's why I have distanced myself from G4.
As much as I love all generations ofMy Little Pony, I've never found this to be a good counter for the pre-G4 haters.  Even if the old generations were bad (which they weren't) there's still a chance that G4 would still get made.  It's not a good defence, as I have seen Hater-Bronies point out that just because the "bad" generations led up to G4, it doesn't stop them being bad.  One Hater-Brony even said something like "Flowers may come from the soil, but we still wipe dirt from our shoes" (Note: I always regret not countering that with "The previous generations aren't the dirt, they are the flowers that seeded this generation.")

Basically, if we're going to defend the previous generations and/or open the minds of Hater-Bronies, we need to do more than "The remake wouldn't exist without the original" style comments - we should explain what about the previous generations is actually good.  We should explain that the episodes actually did have stuff going on, we should show them that the ponies had character, that the episodes were entertaining, and most of all we should show them that G4 isn't even that different from the older generations!  I mean yeah, it's distanced itself now, but when it began, and bronies agreed that it was the most awesome show ever, it really wasn't that different from the previous generations, so if they had given the previous generations a chance, they would have loved them, because it's pretty much exactly like what they fell in love with back when My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic first came into their lives.

That is what we should use for our defence of the older generations.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on August 26, 2018, 07:16:59 AM
The cool thing about Hasbro is that it never really forgets its generations,

Except G2.  :P

To be fair, G2 had suuuuch a short run in the US, I can understand why they're (seemingly) unaware of it.

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As much as I love all generations ofMy Little Pony, I've never found this to be a good counter for the pre-G4 haters.

I welcome the opportunity to drink their tears.  Every whiny comment they post increases my dark power.  :devious:
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Taffeta on August 26, 2018, 08:10:20 AM
G2 was also licensed to Kenner, wasn't it? Was it Kenner? To someone, anyway. At least at some point in the production. Like as not Hasbro don't really even think about it for this reason (and I think Hasbro did take over Kenner, but there is something there lodged in my brain regarding that).

With the bronies - and with the greatest of respect - I disagree.

We owe the bronies nothing.

And nor do they owe us anything, either.

If they want to hate older generations, they have the right. I mean, I don't respect those who just troll and say they hate them because "Faust said X" or whatever, but it's a free universe. I don't visit brony fandoms so I don't really care about the trolling.

For me if someone is willing to actually know something about another gen before dismissing it, then I can respect that. I watched FIM and I didn't like it, but I feel like I can say I don't like it and articulate why, because I took the time to look at it before making a decision. If people do that about older generations, even if their view isn't my view, I can deal with that.

The thing that bothers me is the idea that we somehow owe the bronies something, like an education. This has come up before, and it bothers me just as much now. I don't feel inclined to want to reward ignorance with attention...people are lazy these days and expect to be spoonfed everything, while they just sit there and absorb it. If they want to know, they can do the work to find out. It's not my job to direct them to all the source material which they could easily find themselves if they typed into Google.

More than that, it bothers me that there's some sense we need their positive reaction as a validation of the older generations. But we don't. Pony collectors existed as a community long before even G3 was a thing. What the bronies think or do is irrelevant to us. We don't have to win them over. We don't need them to declare their love for old MLP for old MLP to still be awesome.

I find it amusing they're annoyed at hasbro giving older gens attention, to be honest. It's back to that insecurity whereby they have to trample older gens into the ground to validate THEIR fandom. But we have never needed to do that, so let them complain...

(As a disclaimer, I use the word brony here advisedly. I am aware there are fans of G4 who call themselves bronies but who are not disrespectful to older gens, even if they do not follow them. The above comments are not directed at those kinds of fans. I really strongly believe in an integrated community going forwards - but I do not feel the urge to try to force people to love G1 stuff just because I love it. )
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: MJNSEIFER on August 26, 2018, 09:45:44 AM
Part of it is, I admit, because I am a brony who loves all generations, so I do kind of want to educate the unknowing ones - the ones who have just heard other bronies say they are bad, and not checked out the generations themselves.  I do think it's good to motivate them to actually look at the generations and decide if they hate them, rather than go with what people are doing.

Basically, I wonder how many of the haters have actually seen the older generations, or whether they're just going with what they've heard, or what they assume My Little Pony to be.  It's like G3 for example, a common complaint amongst its haters is that every single pony acted exactly the same, but it only takes a short glance at G3 to realise that this couldn't be further from the truth, and that each pony had a distinct personality.  Basically, Hater-Bronies in general seem to think that every previous generation was Newborn Cuties... and to be honest, I even like that one.

But yeah, if they tried them, and still don't like them, I respect their opinions, but even they shouldn't act like Hasbro aren't allowed to promote them, or get overly nasty to the people who do like them.  Especially when it's the same level of nastiness that their haters give them.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Einhornbaby on August 26, 2018, 10:25:34 AM
I would have pined over that lunchbox as a kid.

It might just be me, but when I was a kid it was kind of the cusp of changing from metal to plastic lunchboxes. And I just didn't like the plastic lunchboxes as much because they were completely flat (most of the lunchboxes I had were dimensional) and they felt way cheaper.

This would have been an awesome compromise.

Because this is just OK in my opinion.
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  ohhhh ahhhh I had that lunchbox as a kid! came with a thermos too.

 Did you notice it's the same design as the one originally posted by the OP of this thread :)  Which means you need it.


omg my friend would have loved this because Streaky was her favourite pony ever (close to tears now)...
its really pretty, I like to fresh colors on it!
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on August 26, 2018, 11:32:04 AM
Dude, if someone is that invested in hating on a toy you can't help them.  It's the whole Transformers Beast Wars "truck not monkey" thing.  It's not based on logic, it's based on emotion and, in this case, insecurity.

What really bothers them is the idea that they might like something "girly" because they see "girly" as being "bad."  Therefore they try to create this narrative where all the OTHER generations of MLP were girly, but not this one.  "We're the real target demographic of FIM!" Absolutely ridiculous.  MLP FIM is girly and is aimed squarely at 4 - 10 year old girls.

But you will only upset them by pointing out the similarities between the generations, because you are destroying the narrative that they are using to shield their fragile, fragile masculinity.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: MJNSEIFER on August 26, 2018, 12:43:13 PM
Dude, if someone is that invested in hating on a toy you can't help them.  It's the whole Transformers Beast Wars "truck not monkey" thing.  It's not based on logic, it's based on emotion and, in this case, insecurity.

What really bothers them is the idea that they might like something "girly" because they see "girly" as being "bad."  Therefore they try to create this narrative where all the OTHER generations of MLP were girly, but not this one.  "We're the real target demographic of FIM!" Absolutely ridiculous.  MLP FIM is girly and is aimed squarely at 4 - 10 year old girls.

But you will only upset them by pointing out the similarities between the generations, because you are destroying the narrative that they are using to shield their fragile, fragile masculinity.
Yeah, I often think it's insecurity too.  It really is a shame, they also go the opposite way and over compensate whenever FiM does something "cool" as well, like "Hey look!  They included a fight scene - it can't be for little girls!" it really is embarrassing to be honest.  It really is a shame, as girly things really can be cool, and My Little Pony is one of the many things that show it (most of my favorite shows are very clearly for girls.)  In fact, I'm sure one of Lauren Faust's main points with FiM was that you can be girly and be awesome at the same time, so those bronies really got that part wrong.

But yeah, I get what you mean.  I'm just really defensive of things I like when they hate it for untrue reasons (in fact, I'm even like that for things I don't like), I'll just never understand the need to invent reasons to hate things they already hate - they already hate it, so why make up reasons if you have them already, if that makes sense?
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Taffeta on August 26, 2018, 01:11:16 PM

But yeah, I get what you mean.  I'm just really defensive of things I like when they hate it for untrue reasons (in fact, I'm even like that for things I don't like), I'll just never understand the need to invent reasons to hate things they already hate - they already hate it, so why make up reasons if you have them already, if that makes sense?


Don't worry, we all know you're not part of the problem ;) and it's awesome you want to be part of the solution, but you'll end up upsetting yourself more than you will change them.

I do understand your frustration about people believing things that are not true. This is a twitch of mine as well, because I am such a detail obsessive that wrong information of any kind just eats my brain and makes me want to fix it. BUT that said, I've learned that there are times you have to walk away because the other person is an idiot. The crazy bronies come under that umbrella. They are not going to listen or change their mind. And really, the person who is going to end up upset is gonna be you, not them.

 I was a mod on a Bleach (anime) forum for a good six years or so and the number of arguments over whether Bleach, One Piece or Naruto was best was mindnumbing at the best of times. Because aside the fact it didn't matter, everyone was entitled to their own views, the need some people had to come onto a Bleach forum to trash it because they liked Naruto and had never seen/read Bleach was just...gah.

So this example is applicable to FIM and stuff too. Within a FIM community, trashing other pony stuff is probably not that big a deal, and I kind of feel like if I was to go in there and try and convert them to G1, I'd be like the annoying Naruto fans on my Bleach forum who just wanted to put their view over without really having any justification to be there.

But then if the brony people who cause issues came here with the intention of lecturing about G4 being better, same rules apply.

The Hasbro group though is neutral space. And posting negative comments in neutral space has a purpose. People who do that take power from having a reaction. The more you protest at them, the more they think they're big and clever because they're getting attention. And attention validates their actions, and it does nothing to help improve relations between them and other fans.

 I don't really understand the need for some FIM fans to validate their fandom by trashing someone else's, not least because they give other FIM and G4 fans a bad name by doing it. And their behaviour is annoying, but I think challenging them basically brings you down to their level, and you're really not at their level :)

So don't let them wind you up. You don't have anything to prove to people who get their kicks from trolling.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Sky_Rocket_Sammie on August 26, 2018, 02:59:26 PM
*sips teacup of tears*, yeah tasty. Nope, not going to explain things in the hope of turning their ears. Not going to happen, not worth the frustration on my part or even worth my time.  Nor am I willing to engage in a subset that has actively shown to very intolerant nearly from the jump. Once again, I don't owe them or anyone else my time of day simply to educate them.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on August 30, 2018, 07:37:26 AM
Today Hasbro has a clip from Escape from Catrina up on their Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/mylittlepony/videos/288719331918994/

Including the entire into theme song.  :happy:
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: TornadoTwist on August 30, 2018, 07:44:01 AM
Here's a timeline they placed on the official MLP Website:

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(can't scroll further, I have to visit the site with a proxy because it keeps sending me back to the dated dutch site. >:C )
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on August 30, 2018, 07:46:33 AM
G3 was a very successful relaunch of the brand as well. Hasbro was rollin in that pony dough, kids and collectors were buying them up.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on August 30, 2018, 08:14:22 AM
Here's a timeline they placed on the official MLP Website:

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oh my GOD they remembered G2!!!
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Sunset on August 30, 2018, 08:34:22 AM
So are they supporting Basic Fun in a roundabout way?  Or is there something coming down the pipeline?  Or did they realize that posting retro/vintage stuff gets lots of views after they did it for that one "retro week"?

Im just curious as to why the uptick on posting g1 stuff.  It's continued on for longer than I anticipated.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Tropical_Sunset on August 30, 2018, 08:52:03 AM
Love seeing all these throwbacks to G1! I recently found the 35th anniversary ponies at Target and I couldn't resist getting a couple.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on August 30, 2018, 08:58:37 AM
I love that they're posting about the 80's stuff. They're doing it on facebook to, Most are positive comments but every once in a while you'll get that little kick in the head from some smarty pants who can't tolerate G1.

Like one lady commented and said they liked the original better.

Instead of letting someone like it a guy responds to her:You prefer the pervasive squeaky-whatever-that-is to this?

And then the person responds to the guy: I prefer the 80s show, yes.

Then another guy#2 has to join in and respond to her: Nostalgia is blinding.

The mentality seems to be we're all blinded by nastalgia; that we don't genuienly like the original stuff? That it's just fond childhood memories that apparently blind us to the flaws? I don't think it's that, it's more we know that back then everything wasn't done on a computer, that you can't compare apples to apples with the 80's show and the new show. So I don't believe any of us who love the original stuff are blind, I think it's more some people have no empathy and are intolerate jerks.

I had to come in and respond to dude #2, which was: Naw, because in about 10-20 years the new kids will be telling you how horrible your favorite stuff is and then you'll understand empathy at that point.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: banditpony on August 30, 2018, 09:17:59 AM
I wouldn't engage with trolls.

Heh. Nostalgia plays a part in it for me. I wouldn't like ponies otherwise :/

I'm not blind to anything -- they are a classic toy and are well designed.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on August 30, 2018, 09:26:47 AM
Haters gonna hate, as the song goes.  I just ignore them.  There's always going to be a few . . .
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: brightberry on August 31, 2018, 07:55:33 AM
Those clips are great!  I love them.

I generally have no response to the haters... especially when their argument goes something like:

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Your version of MLP sucks!!!! Barf, barf, barf!!!!...   G4 is superior because it taught me valuable lessons such as tolerance and how to make friends!

I mean, how can you not laugh?
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Taffeta on August 31, 2018, 08:10:34 AM
Those clips are great!  I love them.

I generally have no response to the haters... especially when their argument goes something like:

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Your version of MLP sucks!!!! Barf, barf, barf!!!!...   G4 is superior because it taught me valuable lessons such as tolerance and how to make friends!

I mean, how can you not laugh?
:haha:

They don't seem to get that their disapproval is not going to remove G1 or G1 fans from existence. xD The lack of ability to accept different people like different things is kind of worrying for the future of the planet, though...whoops, there goes diplomacy xD.

Going back to that timeline, I'm vaguely amused by "In the first ten years, MLP becomes one of the biggest girl toy brands"...(conveniently forgetting to mention the fact that Hasbro in the US axed it in that year, whoops xD).

Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on August 31, 2018, 09:11:54 AM
Going back to that timeline, I'm vaguely amused by "In the first ten years, MLP becomes one of the biggest girl toy brands"...(conveniently forgetting to mention the fact that Hasbro in the US axed it in that year, whoops xD).



The unspoken take-away from that fact in marketing speak is that, after 10 years, the market was so saturated with MLP as to not be profitable to Hasbro anymore, and they needed to shelve the brand for a bit...
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Taffeta on August 31, 2018, 09:35:27 AM
Going back to that timeline, I'm vaguely amused by "In the first ten years, MLP becomes one of the biggest girl toy brands"...(conveniently forgetting to mention the fact that Hasbro in the US axed it in that year, whoops xD).



The unspoken take-away from that fact in marketing speak is that, after 10 years, the market was so saturated with MLP as to not be profitable to Hasbro anymore, and they needed to shelve the brand for a bit...

Except that it continued in Europe for 2 years (3 in Holland) after that point, so I guess there were different market opinions at work. The same happened with G2, after all...
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: KarentheUnicorn on August 31, 2018, 01:04:09 PM
Going back to that timeline, I'm vaguely amused by "In the first ten years, MLP becomes one of the biggest girl toy brands"...(conveniently forgetting to mention the fact that Hasbro in the US axed it in that year, whoops xD).



The unspoken take-away from that fact in marketing speak is that, after 10 years, the market was so saturated with MLP as to not be profitable to Hasbro anymore, and they needed to shelve the brand for a bit...

Except that it continued in Europe for 2 years (3 in Holland) after that point, so I guess there were different market opinions at work. The same happened with G2, after all...

Everytime I try to have a discussion with a 'new FIM centered fan' about G1 I'm told that G1 wasn't that successful, that it was a 'moderate' success at best :p

Those clips are great!  I love them.

I generally have no response to the haters... especially when their argument goes something like:

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Your version of MLP sucks!!!! Barf, barf, barf!!!!...   G4 is superior because it taught me valuable lessons such as tolerance and how to make friends!

I mean, how can you not laugh?

Sadly I'm a unicorn who has a troll chasing problem. But it's more I find humor in the dramaz; plus with the above statement I can't take these people seriously. I will take issue with a person who is an adult who insists they learned their morals and how to make friends or learned 'lessons' from FIM. If that's how they learned to make friends then they've got more problems than Hasbro bringing up their past accomplishments by posting G1 ponies or sharing them.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Bebopgroove on August 31, 2018, 08:55:15 PM
*grabs psychology hat and glasses*

I guess my question is... Why do hateful bronies actually hate the past gens? Why did they actually latch onto FiM like they did... I mean how is it a show for little girls draws in a bunch of young masculine dudes? :/
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: banditpony on September 01, 2018, 03:58:43 AM
*grabs psychology hat and glasses*

I guess my question is... Why do hateful bronies actually hate the past gens?

It's just immaturity.

I mean. A lot of younger people "hate" something when they love something else. Like I dunno, dubs vs subs for anime people is an example. (But it happens on a smaller personal scale too, I "hated" certain videos as a kid because of their dvd/vhs cover-- and didn't have a clue really what it was about).
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: SaraMari on September 01, 2018, 05:17:46 AM
I kinda feel like why a bunch of dudes like it is FiM is horses for weeaboos
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Carrehz on September 01, 2018, 07:44:27 AM
I think Lauren Faust being the showrunner got a lot of people interested in the beginning? Since they were fans of other stuff she'd worked on. I could be wrong, of course.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Taffeta on September 01, 2018, 08:24:22 AM
*grabs psychology hat and glasses*

I guess my question is... Why do hateful bronies actually hate the past gens?

It's just immaturity.

I mean. A lot of younger people "hate" something when they love something else. Like I dunno, dubs vs subs for anime people is an example. (But it happens on a smaller personal scale too, I "hated" certain videos as a kid because of their dvd/vhs cover-- and didn't have a clue really what it was about).

It is true that these days it feels like a fandom isn't a fandom unless it's hating on another fandom. I may be just being old and cranky again, but I don't really get it. I am completely fine with other people disliking the things I like. I'm kind of used to that, it's pretty much the way life is, and it doesn't mean you can't get along with that other person. But when it becomes a heat seeking missile intent on destroying someone else because they like something different or don't share your views, it bothers me. I joke about it a lot but I see it at my university with much bigger and more serious divide issues than just who likes what plastic pony, and the inability of either side in these debates to stop and discuss opinions rather than just sending out inflammatory hate material against anyone who disagrees with them is concerning. Some of the junk that enters my mailbox from my student union is frankly horrifying.

In any case, I really just see it as insecurity. The way I see it is this. If you're threatened by someone else's love for something you don't like, you have a problem. If you are feeling threatened by the way someone behaves towards you because of something you/they don't like, they have a problem. Ponies are lovely but they are plastic objects. They are not worth hurting human beings over.

That said, I think there's a lot to the argument that this relates to insecurity, immaturity and hormones as well. Not that all young people are immature or crazy, but I remember the fighting over G2 and I remember the graphic G1-killing-G2 pony art and the fact people were hounded out of the community on both sides for either liking or disliking the G2s. Alll of which is pretty ridiculous. I also remember being attacked, stalked, threatened and other unpleasantness because I had my own ID site and didn't agree with Dream Valley...because there were some people so fixated on DV that anything that questioned it had to be eradicated from the community. Those ideas and these ones are not that different, really. They all stem out of that inability to accept other points of view or that someone else's perspective may actually lead to learning something.

So the positive of that is that those pony folk from FIM who stay around after the brand ends will also probably grow up and learn from those issues as well. I don't pretend to have been an innocent bystander in the G2 argument, I stood up and shouted as loudly as anyone else in defence of the G2s when people were posting hate stuff. But in hindsight I recognise that ultimately all of us were idiots...that it really doesn't matter if someone else likes or dislikes a different gen of ponies. However, that knowledge only really came into its own because other generations happened and we got used to the idea of multiple versions of MLP. The FIM crowd came in with G4 and don't really want to acknowledge what came before...they still see it as a 'threat' to what they love, as opposed to just a distant relation that they can ignore if they like.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: banditpony on September 01, 2018, 08:45:34 AM
*grabs psychology hat and glasses*

I guess my question is... Why do hateful bronies actually hate the past gens?

It's just immaturity.

I mean. A lot of younger people "hate" something when they love something else. Like I dunno, dubs vs subs for anime people is an example. (But it happens on a smaller personal scale too, I "hated" certain videos as a kid because of their dvd/vhs cover-- and didn't have a clue really what it was about).
That said, I think there's a lot to the argument that this relates to insecurity, immaturity and hormones as well. Not that all young people are immature or crazy, but I remember the fighting over G2

All of those things.

Also G2.

I only vaguely remember getting to see G1s in the stores. But I clearly remember a G2... I went to the store, hoping for a G1-- and I saw a G2.

My dad told me "It's a my little pony"
And I said "No, No it's not"
He pointed out the logo...
and I don't remember what I said. I said something VERY bratty. Like those are NOT ponies because I was so upset about the style change. And I hated them, because they were different, like the little bratty child I was. >_<; I remember getting in trouble for it... and it was probably the only time I acted out at a store.

Eh. Totally glad I wasn't a part of the pony community then. heh.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on September 01, 2018, 10:05:02 AM
I think Lauren Faust being the showrunner got a lot of people interested in the beginning? Since they were fans of other stuff she'd worked on. I could be wrong, of course.

Yes.  Also a fair number of these fans already thrived on negativity on the internet in general.  So them suddenly being fans of a typically-marketed-to-little-girls-fandom had to come with a hefty defense mechanism...    I was in animation school during the hey-day of Powerpuff Girls - the negativity was definitely a Thing.  We would get together and critique the episodes and make fun of animation that was clearly meant for kids' consumption of toys, versus animation we were expected to produce in our own classes.  When we talk about the CalArts effect on this forum with various other TV shows' reboots.... yeah.  It's a Very Real Thing.  Don't ask me how Transformers was still viewed with a nostalgic lens... ;)  ;)  ;)

hahaha banditpony, I totally had the same response to G2 when I saw them in-store.  But I was too young to understand how reboots and generations in toylines actually functioned.  I might have just bought them and kept them MIB/MOC just for the sake of them also being "pony".  All I knew was that they looked completely different and unhealthy as far as my personal definition of what a pony should look like.  I felt like Flutter Ponies were marketed appropriately as "fairy ponies" and I sure did not like the SHS pose, so....  G2 didn't appeal to me until it was much too late. 
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Zapper on September 02, 2018, 02:46:10 AM
I kinda feel like why a bunch of dudes like it is FiM is horses for weeaboos

 :lol: I used to bring up this argument, that FiM looks and feels decidedly more anime-ish, particularly drawing from Sailor Moon (EqG is even more inspired by SM down to ripping off a villain arc/scene).
The ponies look like anime heads on a vaguely equine body, of course it would bring in dudes who are... enticed by this look. But whenever I brought it up here some people said FiM does not look like anime at all. Despite all the constant references.

Anyways, I think they are doing this in part to hype people for the Toys That Made Us episode. And then because 80s throwbacks are popular rn (also evidenced in their subpar SDCC exclusive this year). So I enjoy it.
They could do even more for my tastes. If they really released a steel lunchbox with the rainbow quartett, that would be cool. They are my favorite pony group.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Firehooves on September 04, 2018, 04:53:47 PM
G4 fans try to make themselves feel superior, by putting down generations from before what they like. Even bronies who respect G1 can be condescending.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Snapdragon on September 05, 2018, 02:35:27 AM
This is also happening on their IG! And they had lots of G1 stuff at the SDCC booth this year, apparently? Pins and buttons! I wish they offered those online later, I would love some more G1 buttons and things!! :heart: I hope they keep it up!
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Taffeta on September 05, 2018, 07:16:39 AM
This is also happening on their IG! And they had lots of G1 stuff at the SDCC booth this year, apparently? Pins and buttons! I wish they offered those online later, I would love some more G1 buttons and things!! :heart: I hope they keep it up!

It is kind of odd. I mean, it's lovely, but odd. Is it just designed to snare in a generation they assume now has disposable income to buy it, or is it something else? 35 is a really awkward anniversary to celebrate with SO MUCH stuff...they didn't go to half these lengths with 25 (albeit this time they farmed out the most of this stuff to other companies under licence, so maybe that's it). I am absolutely not complaining about more G1 stuff, but I can't help but wonder why now?

Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on September 05, 2018, 07:22:03 AM
It could be that they hired a new social media director and they happen to love G1.  If The Toys That Made Us has taught me anything, it's that a lot of corporate decisions come down to personal whims.  :P  ("If the tiger's as big as a horse PUT A SADDLE ON IT."  :P)
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Taffeta on September 05, 2018, 07:24:26 AM
It could be that they hired a new social media director and they happen to love G1.  If The Toys That Made Us has taught me anything, it's that a lot of corporate decisions come down to personal whims.  :P  ("If the tiger's as big as a horse PUT A SADDLE ON IT."  :P)

And then send for HeMan *nods*.

Well, long may it continue...
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: banditpony on September 05, 2018, 07:40:57 AM
If The Toys That Made Us has taught me anything, it's that a lot of corporate decisions come down to personal whims.  :P  ("If the tiger's as big as a horse PUT A SADDLE ON IT."  :P)

Yessss....
I see that in the creative corporate place I work at. It's funny how things change once someone retires o.o

I also think now is still a time where people who grew up with G1s are more likely to have disposable income AND kids. And I think marketing is more favorable toward girly toys then it was previously.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on September 21, 2018, 10:04:48 AM
If The Toys That Made Us has taught me anything, it's that a lot of corporate decisions come down to personal whims.  :P  ("If the tiger's as big as a horse PUT A SADDLE ON IT."  :P)

Yessss....
I see that in the creative corporate place I work at. It's funny how things change once someone retires o.o

I also think now is still a time where people who grew up with G1s are more likely to have disposable income AND kids. And I think marketing is more favorable toward girly toys then it was previously.

Well in terms of accessory variety and playsets girls toys tend to blow boys lines out of the water.

Boys get base, castle, weapons, slime, vehicles.

Girls get dollhouses, house stuff, pools, ice cream stands, castles, cars, clothes, color changing stuff, pets, food, fountains, stores, schools, furniture, and so on and so forth.


I'm not a doll person, but Barbie, Shopkins, Calico Critters and MH have some seriously cool stuff.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on September 21, 2018, 10:20:47 AM
Boys get base, castle, weapons, slime, vehicles.

Girls get dollhouses, house stuff, pools, ice cream stands, castles, cars, clothes, color changing stuff, pets, food, fountains, stores, schools, furniture, and so on and so forth.

Wow, that's an interesting point!  You're right, "boys toys" really don't get a lot of accessories related to anything except maybe war.  (Thinking of G.I. Joe and all its assault vehicles here.)  Yeah, they really don't get a lot of "the fun stuff."  They never get to relax.  Poor toys.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Ragamuffin on September 21, 2018, 10:32:38 AM
Boys get base, castle, weapons, slime, vehicles.

Girls get dollhouses, house stuff, pools, ice cream stands, castles, cars, clothes, color changing stuff, pets, food, fountains, stores, schools, furniture, and so on and so forth.

Wow, that's an interesting point!  You're right, "boys toys" really don't get a lot of accessories related to anything except maybe war.  (Thinking of G.I. Joe and all its assault vehicles here.)  Yeah, they really don't get a lot of "the fun stuff."  They never get to relax.  Poor toys.

Tbh, I was thinking about making this comment on the "poop toy fad" thread, boy toys are. Pretty...................bad imo. I feel like its not just "not my taste" kind of thing, a lot of things aren't my taste. Things like Ninja Turtles, Transformers, super heroes? Cool. I'm not interested but it's not insulting. But you see so many commercials for things like "Whoah! Radical!! Here's a rude truck that transforms into a dinosaur!!! He comes with 40 different burp and fart sound effects!!!" like ???????? How many farting transforming truck toys do you need
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on September 21, 2018, 10:52:41 AM
Here's the weird part (which I sort of touched on in the 'gross toys' thread) . . . I was at a toy store in the mall and glanced over "the Grossery Gang".  (A parody of Shopkins.  They're food--BUT GROSS!)  And in addition to blind bags, they have . . . playsets.  Like, a straight out shopping market playset.  (BUT GROSS!  Because it's dirty!)

Which is sort of interesting, because it's like . . . it started as a parody of Shopkins, but now it's actually promoting the exact same kind of play as Shopkins (play pretend with these small food-people figures), just reskinned as 'gross' to make it acceptable to little boys who shy away from 'girly' things.

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They can call this "horrid hot dogs" all they want, but really it's just a hot dog stand playset, LOL.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Ragamuffin on September 21, 2018, 11:17:46 AM
It assumes that all girls tend to act/like certain things, and that the rest of the toys that don't emphasize a nuturing aspect are for boys. Studies show that boys who play with nurture/care driven toys often become more involved fathers, likely due to this practiced scenario in early youth.

^^^^ Exactly. I don't see how it's wrong if a boy wants to get a dollhouse or something. Being a good father? Nah........boys MUST like............Tools And Cars.......Mold And Fungus.......The Yuck...

Since G5 is planned to be more gender-neutral, I wonder how it's gonna be marketed? How will it be designed? Even if they go the more neutral route I can't image a dude going down the toy aisle with his son to pick him up a Pinkie Pie figure. Hasbro even made a "ponies with swords going to war" line and I guess it flopped since it was ALWAYS on clearance and lasted one (1) year. Because it's branded as "My Little Pony" it's for girls, so boys are physically incapable of playing with it.

This is a bit off-topic though, yeah? :whistle:
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on September 21, 2018, 11:32:42 AM
In Canada, McDonald's did away with the girl/boy toy by switching to, "Toy or Book?"  The little paperback books are from Canadian authors and are mini-versions of picture/storybooks so it's not just a cheap gimmick, you can actually read and enjoy them.  :)
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: TheBeatlesPkmnFan42 on September 21, 2018, 03:05:50 PM
Here's the weird part (which I sort of touched on in the 'gross toys' thread) . . . I was at a toy store in the mall and glanced over "the Grossery Gang".  (A parody of Shopkins.  They're food--BUT GROSS!)  And in addition to blind bags, they have . . . playsets.  Like, a straight out shopping market playset.  (BUT GROSS!  Because it's dirty!)

Which is sort of interesting, because it's like . . . it started as a parody of Shopkins, but now it's actually promoting the exact same kind of play as Shopkins (play pretend with these small food-people figures), just reskinned as 'gross' to make it acceptable to little boys who shy away from 'girly' things.

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They can call this "horrid hot dogs" all they want, but really it's just a hot dog stand playset, LOL.

Not quite. Grossery Gang isn't a Shopkins parody, both Shopkins and Grossery Gang are made by Moose Toys. And Grossery Gang is the followup to their previous line Trash Pack, which they made before Shopkins. Shopkins was essentially created to be Trash Pack but aimed at girls.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Taffeta on September 21, 2018, 03:30:35 PM

Just the idea of gender sterotyping toys has always been a source of stress for us that don't fall under the heteronormative.

Stereotyping in general is damaging to everybody.

I still don't see MLP as a 'girly toy', at least not G1. It's a label Hasbro wanted to put on it, through their advertising, and it's one other people put on it for that reason. But toys are what you make them. The problem of stereotyping in toys is only an issue when it spreads to parental disapproval. At which point there's a problem in the parent more than the marketing. I knew boys at school who had ponies or played with them, and I also knew boys who were punished for liking arty or drama or music stuff. I knew boys who did ballet and I knew boys who played football. And the boys who took our ponires and threw them on the roof usually ended up running from us screaming as we chased them with the unicorns to teach them a lesson.

Thinking back, calling something a girl toy or a boy toy didn't make me play with it or otherwise. My parents let me play with what toys I wanted, not what they thought appropriate for my gender, so I think that I was lucky. It also makes me think that a lot of the problem is what the parent wants, not what the stores are doing, as they react to parental expectations to obtain parental money. Hence so many annoying pink shades on baby doll and 'girl' toy concepts, and green and khaki in 'monster truck boy toy' stuff.

I would;ve been the kid who had her ponies riding around in the monster truck, but I digress ;)

I remember recently there was a project in the UK on TV where they tried to degender the children in terms of their assumptions and they improved the confidence of girls and the empathy of boys by removing the gender traits or associations from things - for example, what jobs for what gender, what boys and girls can do, etc. THey also did a test with babies dressed as girls and boys and in every case the care provider (not knowing the kids' true genders) chose toys for the kid based on what they were wearing and what they were told the child was called, they didn't stop to see what the kid themselves chose.

Not saying that gendering toys in stores is ever right, but I think it's feeding into an existing culture, it's not creating it. The stores want money. This is a way to ensure getting it. It's social values that need to be shifted, by letting kids choose what they want to play with without judgement. Frankly, I think that has nothing to do with whether a child is heteronormative or not. I think it affects every child, whether they identify with a particular gender or none at all. We all should have the right growing up to feed and develop our imaginations according to our own selves and personalities, irrespective of our gender identity.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on September 21, 2018, 04:20:08 PM
Here's the weird part (which I sort of touched on in the 'gross toys' thread) . . . I was at a toy store in the mall and glanced over "the Grossery Gang".  (A parody of Shopkins.  They're food--BUT GROSS!)  And in addition to blind bags, they have . . . playsets.  Like, a straight out shopping market playset.  (BUT GROSS!  Because it's dirty!)

Which is sort of interesting, because it's like . . . it started as a parody of Shopkins, but now it's actually promoting the exact same kind of play as Shopkins (play pretend with these small food-people figures), just reskinned as 'gross' to make it acceptable to little boys who shy away from 'girly' things.

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They can call this "horrid hot dogs" all they want, but really it's just a hot dog stand playset, LOL.

Not quite. Grossery Gang isn't a Shopkins parody, both Shopkins and Grossery Gang are made by Moose Toys. And Grossery Gang is the followup to their previous line Trash Pack, which they made before Shopkins. Shopkins was essentially created to be Trash Pack but aimed at girls.

Hmm. Didn't know that.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Taffeta on September 21, 2018, 05:01:25 PM
Thank you so much for that insight, Taffeta. It really helped pick me up a bit.
You're welcome. Unfortunately too many people in this world spend too much time judging people for not being the same as them. I think it sucks you went through those things, and hopefully as we go forward attitudes will begin to change so toys can be less gendered as well.

I have been very blessed with my parents. I also understand stereotyping. I have an autism diagnosis. You would be surprised at the things people consider "acceptable" to say, think, or do relating to that. I genuinely believe, though, that the majority of people are not prejudiced or judgemental. Just a lot of people don't understand or engage enough with difference to realise when something is hurtful or offensive. I think that will change the more we talk about things that the few genuinely prejudiced people want to stifle, and then we'll all be a lot happier :)

Going back to the original theme, it is interesting how G4 has been so adopted by boys. I sort of think that the reason is because it's particularly girly. That might sound strange but it happens in other fandoms as well. I don't know if it's a protective instinct or what it is, but with the gender stereotypes, it's made the whole thing more hostile than it needs to be. So then, Hasbro come in with G1 stuff, which (for me) was fairly gender neutral in terms of the actual toy presentation...and that's almost an affront on what they identify as MLP.

It's true that there are horrific ads for G1 (lol), but what always struck me as the identifying factor for MLP as a child was a rainbow and a field. As an adult I've learned that's because the cards from my early childhood are mostly not pink - they are a field/grassy/waterfall/whatever scene with a blue sky. G2 cards are almost entirely blue. It's only since G3 and G4 that the stereotypical pink/girly connection has been forced into MLP in all the packaging.

Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on September 21, 2018, 05:21:32 PM
It can definitely come from the parents, but it doesn't always . . . There was a case in 2015 where an eight year old girl was teased and bullied at school because . . . she wore an R2D2 jacket.  The other girls told her "Star Wars is for boys."  They teased her and told her she was going to turn into a boy, because she liked Star Wars.  The girl, Layla, started telling her mom she didn't want to wear the jacket anymore . . . The story does have a happy ending because her mom reached out to other Star Wars fans, including female fans, and they rallied around and supported the little girl.  But in this case the parents were totally supportive, but it was Layla's peers who were the problem.  :(  And I doubt if the parents of the other girls told them "Star Wars is for BOYS only" either. (Like, maybe one kid would have a jerk of a parent who said that, but MULTIPLE girls in one grade?) I think the girls were just going off the cues they'd internalized:  not swathed in pink? Must not be for girls.

(I mean, there's nothing wrong with pink and lace and frills either, but why can't pink be something that is also for boys?  What can't frills be something that is also for boys?  Look at the fashions of the past for god's sake, fashionable men used to be practically drowning in frills and lace.)

That's interesting about the Trash Pack, I had no idea!
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on September 21, 2018, 07:28:44 PM
Kids can be cruel little monsters.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Loa on September 21, 2018, 08:24:42 PM
Guys, back on topic please. Every topic dosen't have to be a debate!
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Ragamuffin on September 21, 2018, 08:57:50 PM
This is also happening on their IG! And they had lots of G1 stuff at the SDCC booth this year, apparently? Pins and buttons! I wish they offered those online later, I would love some more G1 buttons and things!! :heart: I hope they keep it up!

It is kind of odd. I mean, it's lovely, but odd. Is it just designed to snare in a generation they assume now has disposable income to buy it, or is it something else? 35 is a really awkward anniversary to celebrate with SO MUCH stuff...they didn't go to half these lengths with 25 (albeit this time they farmed out the most of this stuff to other companies under licence, so maybe that's it). I am absolutely not complaining about more G1 stuff, but I can't help but wonder why now?

80s/retro nostalgia maybe? But how many people are going out and buying the 35th anniversary and retro stuff who AREN'T collectors? How successful is "nostalgia" marketing? Like stuff like Nintendo can work because it appeals to everyone, and anyone can hook up their NES mini and enjoy Mario on it. But MLP? Toys are for kids, pastels are for kids, what are you going to do with a toy? And kids, why should they buy the ugly fat hippo ponies when they can buy the obviously superior deerlike mane6 toys?

The recent mainstream-ization of unicorns could play into it (companies love plastering unicorns or unicorn horns on EVERYTHING recently), but I don't think it's enough to do much for MLP imo.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on September 21, 2018, 10:10:18 PM
I think most of the retros get sold to people who aren't collectors.  Nostalgia is a huge factor . . . "Oh, I remember having a toy just like that!"  I was looking at Russ Trolls listings on eBay today and was hit with a "omg, I had a baby Troll just like that one!" moment.  And I hated Trolls, lol!  But seeing it brought back memories of being a kid.  I was in Target again today and they were cleared out of all the retros except one Sunlight, one Parasol, and one Blossom . . . This was after having pretty much two full sets earlier in the week!  They can't all be going to collectors, there aren't that many of us in Seattle, LOL.

Older kids may want toys that "match" the show they watch.  But MLP's lowest age range is reeeeally low (if you look at Amazon reviews, you'll see a lot of "my 2 year old loved this!" reviews for MLP FIM toys).  The younger kids are going to want any pony-shaped toy.  I took some ponies to a small Transformers convention and sold a MIB retro Snuzzle, some G3s, and some G4s . . . The kids never questioned (or even seemed to notice) that some were in different styles.  They just wanted ponies, all the ponies, any ponies.  :P

On a similar note, I was in an airport a few months ago and there was a four year old toting around a well-loved G3 Rainbow Flash.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Taffeta on September 22, 2018, 01:56:57 AM
I think that it doesn't matter much who buys them. If the manufacturer has profit then they keep making. But my impression from the staff in John Lewis is they have sold many. I am sure there are not that many ponypeople in this small town to account for all of the restocks. Also with Entertainer closed on Sundays there is a greater chance of kids finding toys in other places. In Epsom tge retros were shelved at kid eye height, not adult collector height. I think they are actually trying to win over parents and kids at the same time...and we collectors are just one section of that...

I haven't seen any ebay scalpers listing to sell in my area so I can only assume sales are kids, collectors and nostalgic.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Zapper on September 22, 2018, 05:11:01 AM
It assumes that all girls tend to act/like certain things, and that the rest of the toys that don't emphasize a nuturing aspect are for boys. Studies show that boys who play with nurture/care driven toys often become more involved fathers, likely due to this practiced scenario in early youth.

^^^^ Exactly. I don't see how it's wrong if a boy wants to get a dollhouse or something. Being a good father? Nah........boys MUST like............Tools And Cars.......Mold And Fungus.......The Yuck...

Since G5 is planned to be more gender-neutral, I wonder how it's gonna be marketed? How will it be designed? Even if they go the more neutral route I can't image a dude going down the toy aisle with his son to pick him up a Pinkie Pie figure. Hasbro even made a "ponies with swords going to war" line and I guess it flopped since it was ALWAYS on clearance and lasted one (1) year. Because it's branded as "My Little Pony" it's for girls, so boys are physically incapable of playing with it.

This is a bit off-topic though, yeah? :whistle:

Where did you read about that neutrality? Because as far as I know they just want to make dragons as important as ponies. That's not neutral to me, that's just another form of stereotyping.
"Boys get dangerous dragons, girls get pretty ponies". If it really was neutral they'd market it to boys just as much as girls, which will never happen because Hasbro has the gender split anchored down in all of their franchises.

And don't get me started on the rumor that AJ will get fused with Big Mac and become a stallion. That's even more stereorypical. "Let's make the physical worker a man" :lookround:
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: tailrustedtealeaf on September 22, 2018, 05:14:06 AM
Perhaps the scalpers didn't sell too well? So they backed off.  :P I remember someone trying to sell the box (box that the set comes in) for $20.
I have NO clue who is buying them in my area, but I'm glad that they are! Unless they go on clearance I'm not picking any others up unless someone wants one shipped.
The Pony instagram has fallen silent for the past week or so. Perhaps when NYCC starts up they'll be more vocal.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on September 22, 2018, 05:21:04 AM
Never heard of that. But I'd be down for dragons.
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on September 22, 2018, 07:41:34 AM
Could you guys put G5 speculation in spoiler boxes?  I've been trying hard to avoid all info on the upcoming series / generation.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Ragamuffin on September 22, 2018, 10:39:23 AM
I guess if they're selling, hey. I just find it hard to believe that nostalgia would make your average 30-40yo pick up a pink strawberry-scented toy with rainbow hair.
My very first ponies were G2s, and with how shortlived they were in the US, I played with fakies until G3 came out. So I get that kids will play with pony toys regardless. But I was also a Horse Girl, so I wasn't picky about what they looked like. Honestly? I've seen more little girls carry around Equestria Girls toys and watch EQG on their parents' phones than FiM/G4. :whistle:

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Where did you read about that neutrality? Because as far as I know they just want to make dragons as important as ponies. That's not neutral to me, that's just another form of stereotyping.
"Boys get dangerous dragons, girls get pretty ponies". If it really was neutral they'd market it to boys just as much as girls, which will never happen because Hasbro has the gender split anchored down in all of their franchises.

And don't get me started on the rumor that AJ will get fused with Big Mac and become a stallion. That's even more stereorypical. "Let's make the physical worker a man" :lookround:
I'm pretty sure I read it months ago when the leaks first happened, or something like that. They're going for TVY7 or TVPG, aiming for an older audience and going for the adventure/drama genre rather than the educational "friendship lesson" TVY-TVY7 rating FiM was given. They also wanted to incorporate more dudes in the cast, have more male main characters. It sounds like they're making MLP into something bronies would want. Imo that sounds a lot more neutral than FiM's original concept, six girl ponies going around and solving friendship problems with the power of love and, well, friendship. :P

I haven't heard about the dragons = boys, ponies = girls thing or the AJ becoming a stallion or whatever. I heard dragons get their own world and act like humans, wearing clothes etc, I would guess that's where the longma fit in. I know for AJ they had a hard time redesigning her and debated removing her completely. I guess now they worked something out but I'm not sure what.

Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Galactica on October 05, 2018, 02:41:22 PM
I think most of the retros get sold to people who aren't collectors.  Nostalgia is a huge factor . . . "Oh, I remember having a toy just like that!"  I was looking at Russ Trolls listings on eBay today and was hit with a "omg, I had a baby Troll just like that one!" moment.  And I hated Trolls, lol!  But seeing it brought back memories of being a kid.  I was in Target again today and they were cleared out of all the retros except one Sunlight, one Parasol, and one Blossom . . . This was after having pretty much two full sets earlier in the week!  They can't all be going to collectors, there aren't that many of us in Seattle, LOL.

Older kids may want toys that "match" the show they watch.  But MLP's lowest age range is reeeeally low (if you look at Amazon reviews, you'll see a lot of "my 2 year old loved this!" reviews for MLP FIM toys).  The younger kids are going to want any pony-shaped toy.  I took some ponies to a small Transformers convention and sold a MIB retro Snuzzle, some G3s, and some G4s . . . The kids never questioned (or even seemed to notice) that some were in different styles.  They just wanted ponies, all the ponies, any ponies.  :P

On a similar note, I was in an airport a few months ago and there was a four year old toting around a well-loved G3 Rainbow Flash.

I think a lot of what happens is that a 30something-40+ mom or dad or relative walks by the display and says awwwww I had that pony I loved her!  And they buy the ponies for their kid/grandkid/niece/nephew

but really, they are indulging their own nostalgia...

And yeah, I think mostly for 2/3/4 year olds, who could care less whether the pony is G1, 2, 3, 4... 
Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Sky_Rocket_Sammie on October 05, 2018, 03:02:02 PM
Hmmm, 25/35/40 are milestone birthdays for people so maybe for toy brands. :lol: Or maybe it's simply the spacing and pacing of doing the throwbacks. In relation to the people who grew up with the brands as they age.

Not knocking it, I love having the chance to buy what I couldn't as a kid.

 All the hate towards earlier gens could be a kneejerk "eww, that's for girls". Only with more hate tacked on, plus depending on where one grew up. Boys even of the newer generations have been told, that anything which codes as female is bad for them. That liking such things is horrible and will undermine their gender for all time. Not excusing it of course just pondering the social pandemic that has befallen the fandom when G4 was ushered in. Trust me, I've been here long enough to watch it all start and there was/has been a shift in the feel of things.

Title: Re: Hasbro is on a real 80s / G1 kick on Facebook this year, anyone noticed?
Post by: Taffeta on October 07, 2018, 11:08:44 AM
Hmmm, 25/35/40 are milestone birthdays for people so maybe for toy brands.


Milestone for anniversaries maybe..? 35 as an age has no special significance. At least not here.
Although I was in Japan when I turned 35 so I guess I didn't really have my 35th birthday with family or friends till I came home :/ Maybe I just didn't notice! XD
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