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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: 01mlplover on December 30, 2017, 12:23:54 PM
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I have a quackers that needs her body sun faded and I’m not sure if I need to cover her hair or not. Are there certain hair colors that fade in sun or are they all probe to fading? I hate to ask here for every pony that needs something sunfaded so If anyone has some suggestions or pointers for this I’d appreciate it. :)
Also I know the light pinks for sure fade....
Ok I decided to take some pics of Quackers to see if you guys think she's savable. Looks like something pink rubbed off on her face and legs along with some other non removable marks. She came in a lot this way.
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Always cover the hair...
I can't remember if Quackers is one of the white ponies who sunburns though...
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Yes, always cover hair (not with aluminum foil) and markings (symbol, eyes,...) with white paint (water or alcohol soluble). Some hair fades quickly indeed, there's a shade of pink who is really prone to that. It will go white.
List of ponies safe/unsafe to sunfade : http://mlparena.com/index.php?topic=336125.0
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You might want to test if she burns or not. I can't remember if she burns but I think some do and some don't, so you could maybe just expose the bottom of one of her hooves to the sun for a while to see if it burns?
On to the hair, you should always cover hair and paint on a pony. There is only one shade of hair that always fades to white though, which is fading pink. Quackers doesn't have that shade though, so her hair should be safe in the sun, but you should still cover her hair :)
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Thank you guys! I didn’t know ponies could sunburn. I’d really like to see a pic...
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You're welcome. =)
I couldn't find a sunburned pony pic over the internet, but there was a case about G1 Gingerbread who well.. got a gingerbread color instead of her white coat because of sun exposure. Gingerbread is really prone to sunburns.
http://mlparena.com/index.php/topic,389000.0.html
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Yes, always cover hair (not with aluminum foil)
Why? What do you use?
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Yes, always cover hair (not with aluminum foil)
Why? What do you use?
Never cover a fading pony with foil. It can stain their bodies and their hair. You can use paper towels instead :)
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Hmm I’m using tin foil right now on a pony I’m sunfading. Maybe I should switch it out. I still think it’s crazy a pony can sunburn. Think I still may give my quackers a try. She has so many marks that me might be considered baity if I can’t fade them off.
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I've never had any trouble with using foil... but I do see the value in using paper towels.
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I've never had any problems with foil either, and I've had ponies sunfading in it for months (or in one case years!). Considering the problems I've had with fading right through other methods I've tried (white paint, painter's tape) I would be very cautious about trusting paper towels to completely block the sun for any extended length of time.
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Pics added to the first post to get your guys opinion on my poor quackers
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I wonder if parchment-foil would be safe?
Here in the UK they sell it in the baking section of the supermarket.
It is a roll of foil lined with baking paper - I guess the paper would be a neutral barrier to the pony body while the metal part does the job of sun blocking?
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I’ve never done anything like that because we don’t get enough sun 3/4 of the year. But I urge you to follow the advice of those who have gone before you. They are wiser and made terrible mistakes so you could succeed. Now go out there and be safe and follow the directions!
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I'm fairly certain Quackers sunburns - she's got the milky white plastic that often goes cream all on its own that is typical for prone ponies.
I also wouldn't trust paper towel to block UV. Ultraviolet is no joke, and I've never heard of anyone complaining about aluminum foil causing stains. What kind of stains exactly, are there any photos of this? Aluminum oxidizes clear, unlike iron which rusts.
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I'm not sure where to find photos, but the sunfading section on the Preservation Project states that aluminum foil can have a yellowing effect on their vinyl.
http://www.mlppreservationproject.com/body.html#SunFading
And I haven't heard of paper towels for sunfading not blocking the sun completely.
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Never trust a website that endorses acne cream as a 'presevation' method.
We know it's horribly detrimental to ponies, proven to cause irreversible, long term damage. And cling wrap? Oh heck no. That's one of the worst materials you can put next to anything. One of my AMS professors had us wrapping pencils in cling wrap and leaving them somewhere warm for a week, after which the paint literally falls off the pencil. It was horrifying. There's always an inherent risk to doing restoration or conservation, but it's something that should be warned about clearly up front.
That said, nothing's impossible when dealing with plastics, because 'plastic' isn't one material. It's hundreds of thousands of different composite recipes with wildly differing properties, and what works on one given blend may not work on another. But I'm not inclined to believe one person says aluminum foil yellowed a pony without any sources, proof, or knowing what other variables may have been involved, when many others have used it and not experienced any problems. That strongly suggests there's something else going on. Commonality doesn't always equate to causation.
If you can see light through a material, it's not going to block UV. Paper towels are not effective. It needs to be opaque.
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Wait, you are saying that we shouldn't trust the Preservation Project because it still has acne cream as a method? That is a little unfair for all the other perfectly fine methods Far Dreamer has gathered and put on a website the rest of us can view for free.
About cling wrap, I doubt it would be unsafe to ponies. It is food safe, so if the food is ok to eat after being exposed for a while, porous vinyl and nylon should be okay too. Ponies do not equal paint. Also, there are no reported cases of anything happening if you use cling wrap.
While you could double the paper towels, I think you are right. Some are pretty thin. And until we get more proof that aluminum foil stains, it is probably fine to use it. But no one has said paper towels haven't done their job either. And if people are still worried, they could try parchment foil like glitterball recommended :)
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Ponies have paint on them. Are they affected by cling wrap? I don't know; and I doubt anyone's done the comprehensive testing needed to find out conclusively. The fact remains the material is known to be volatile and there are safer alternatives.
I don't trust the 'preservation project' for the following reasons:
- leaving the cautions and warnings mostly buried in links to offsite threads that many people won't check
- recommending unsafe materials / processes known by the general community to be harmful
- the use of 'preservation' when in fact what they're advocating is 'restoration'
- problem materials without sources/citation/proof - ex. aluminum foil.
- other materials / methods given without mention of their dangers/drawbacks
When you put up information of this nature, you assume a duty to be forthright about the risks and outcomes, and to maintain up-to-date information if you can. The fact that the acne cream section links to topics where multiple people vehemently refute it as a treatment method tells me the author is aware of the problem yet still decided to endorse it. That is unacceptable to me as someone who has studied conservation and museum science; it's unethical.
I laud the initiative and purpose of helping others, but I cannot condone the methods.