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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: Pierlala on November 22, 2017, 10:18:05 AM
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Hello,
I wanted to check on the price of the Moonstone/Sunbeam hybrid. Blue body, rainbow mane/tail from Italy.
Thank you
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This would be better in nirvana ;)
I'd say $250-400 depending on her condition and how clear her symbols are :)
Love pkw xxx
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Thank you :)
I posted it here because I thought price checks should be posted in corral. Didn't think about the Nirvana forum :blush:
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I think her price as dropped alot I have seen at least 5 for sale this year. 2 are up for sale now. I would price her between $100-200. In my opinion she is not as rare as a few years ago lots of popped up and there has been some question to the authnitcity of some
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If you are buying, look out for a head / body color difference. There've been some popping up recently that are suspected of being a switcheroo with (Moondancer pose) Italian Moonstone's head and tail added to Italian Sunbeam's body.
A real rainbow haired Sunbeam has a sky blue body (like Hong Kong Sunbeam), including her head--not powder blue, like Moonstone. (Essentially this pony is Sunbeam with rainbow hair, not Moonstone with Sunbeam's symbol. And DEFINITELY not a mishmash of parts like a UK hybrid princess. Hope that makes sense.)
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Hm...I sadly already bought it. I did get it for a fair price though. I hope it's not a fake. I will post a picture once I got her to ask for opinions.
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Thank you :)
I posted it here because I thought price checks should be posted in corral. Didn't think about the Nirvana forum :blush:
You can ask for nirvana price checks in nirvana :bigups:
I think her price as dropped alot I have seen at least 5 for sale this year. 2 are up for sale now. I would price her between $100-200. In my opinion she is not as rare as a few years ago lots of popped up and there has been some question to the authnitcity of some
Thank you for posting nhal, I had noticed there seemed to be more coming out of the woodwork as sometimes can happen with nirvana's. I do my price checks using ponies sold here and on eBay to create an average. There are some which go lower and higher, but price checking is getting hard these days with things being sold via Facebook, Instagram and privately -_-
There have been a few that are "unanswered" such as a couple with a darker green stripe in their mane and a few with a head/body difference. When buying nirvana ponies, there is always a risk involved.
Love pkw xxx
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I have Sunstone as well, with head body mismatch, but her neckseal is still in place. Therefore I'm pretty sure she's still the real thing. Some people advised me to open it, but never do that. In that case there is indeed no way to tell if it's a fake Sunstone.
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Nella people glue heads. I have had rehairs with glued heads.
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I got her from her original owner who isn't a collector at all :).
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Hello. I got her today and I think I have been fooled. I messaged the person and if she doesn't respond I know for sure. I can already see she has read my messages.
The head and body do have a different color, there is glue residue around her neck. Brown residue not the translucent one. It is evening so it's dark now. But I will make pictures during daytime tomorrow for better color comparison. I will upload them here to ask for your opinions.
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That sounds very suspicious. :/ Did you get her on eBay? Their guarantee should have you covered.
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I think that depends on the pictures and condition they described her. Or the regular buyers remorse?
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No I didn't buy her on Ebay. I bought her on the Dutch Marktplaats. I am happy with her if she is genuine. But after seeing her and hearing the stories about fakies I am about 50/50. It could be a real one, but not too sure. I didn't open her up and I don't think I ever will. But I squeezed her bum and she does still have her Italian washer as far as I could feel, so no ziptie. I compared her head and body to my Moonstone and Sunbeam. But I think all of them are too discolored to say for sure. I will upload pictures tomorrow during the day.
And @Nella this has nothing to do with buyers remorse. I paid 50 euro for her, which is still a lot if she is fake. But nice price if it's the real one. I just like to make sure. Not that I can do anything about it anyway. Since MP doesn't cover buyers protection.
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Oof, I hope she's the real deal Pierlala! Will wait for the pics too.
Marktplaats >.< Tricky place.
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Ok, so I took some pictures. It was already a bit shady outside, but I still think I captured the colors pretty well.
This is Sunstone.
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Front view of the neck.
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Left side view.
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Right side view.
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Right side when squeezed.
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Back side view.
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The trio in comparison.
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Body color comparison between Sunstone and Sunbeam. As you can see Sunbeam's body appears a lot "greener" to me then that of Sunstone's. So I'm not sure.
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The three girls again in comparison (Sunstone middle one).
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So...what do you guys think? Is she genuine or a Frankenstein incarnation between Moonstone and Sunbeam?
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If it were me, I'd be returning her. Personally, I don't believe that the head-body mismatches are 'genuine.'
But . . . even if some of them are genuine . . . that brown glue around the neck of this one . . . :/ That does not look like factory glue to me. And the pocking in the 5th picture down (close up of her neck rim) looks like its from her neck seal originally being broken.
The original washer being in place means nothing since you can thread a pony's tail from the inside out (pull the loose end through the hole in the butt).
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Sadly there is no such thing as returning anything on Marktplaats. Bought is bought. You buy something in good trust. Hoping you will get what you paid for or even anything at all really. Marktplaats is not Ebay. You pay a person through Ideal or bank transfer and then you give your adress and the person sends the item (or not). There is an option to pay with Paypal. But then the seller needs to have set it up. It's not like Ebay where Paypal is a must.
Thank for your imput LadyMoondancer. I'd like to hear some more opinions on this. Possibly from people who own her.
Post Merge: November 26, 2017, 09:54:02 AM
Also. I did get a message back from the seller yesterday.
But first I want to discribe what went on before and after the sale.
Before the sale I bid in a private message (which is something you can do on Marktplaats). I started low I gave her a bid of 20 euro. She then replied that she will not sell her for that low because this is a special version of Sunbeam and that she was planning on making seperate auctions for all her ponies instead of the lot. I then asked her if she would be ok with 40. She then replied "50 incl shipping". Which I agreed on.
A few hours later (I had already paid by then) I was browsing through a few of her other auctions. (She had already started seperate auctions for some of her ponies the lot auction was also still up. (Maybe she was going to delete that later?) I saw that she had an Italian Starshine. I still need that one so I messaged her what price she has in mind for Starshine. She then wrote "Someone had just bid 20 euro in private message? I actually don't know much about pony value". At that point I started to get suspicious. Cause I know for a fact that Italy ponies NEVER sell for that much on Marktplaats. Especially not the regular ones such as Skydancer, Starshine, Bowtie and all the lesser rare ones. Italy ponies are not rare in the Netherlands at all. So I replied to her back, saying that I found it odd that someone bid 20 euro on Starshine. Since she is not rare at all and there were several auctions with lots up on Marktplaats with Starshine's in them. She then said "Oh yeah it could also be that the person meant yours". I did not bother with buying more from her after that.
So when the pony arrived yesterday I wrote this to her:
First I sent her a message that I felt fooled. Because the head/body missmatch and the glue which was clearly a red flag. I told her that it looks like this is a combined version of Moonstone and Sunbeam. I even told her that if that is the case I would like to know and rather have her be honest.
She replied with that she did not fool me. And that she did her best to pack her good and sent her asap. That she was feeling down by my reaction. She even wrote "As if I would take apart a pony" (with a smiling monkey, covering his eyes emoticon).
I replied to her that there are indeed people who do that. And that I also found it odd that she didn't know the value of Starshine but somehow knew the value of a rare hybrid? A non collector would never know such a thing imo. I did apologize for my perhaps crude message incase she was indeed honest. She then replied back again saying that she got informed by someone in private message about the value of Sunstone. So that is how she knew apperently...Also that she felt sorry that I was dissapointed but that she still hopes I can be happy with her in my collection...
Yeah...totally...
I feel so bummed out now... :pout:
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As you've paid more than you probably would have if it is a fakie, the seller probably did know (or believed) that it was Sunstone. Is it a collector as well?
Post Merge: November 26, 2017, 09:58:33 AM
Sorry, didn't see you're edit on your post. Who was the seller?
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@Nella. I actually just sent her a message asking if she is a collector or if the ponies are from her childhood. Can you do me a favor and upload a picture of your Sunstone? Just so I can have a look at it?
Post Merge: November 26, 2017, 10:02:34 AM
Oh she is super fast with responding. She just messaged me back that these are her childhood ponies but her own daughter didn't like them. Cause she prefered G4 because of the cartoons that are on tv. So... I don't know really.
@Nella The seller's name on MP is: "n.b."
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Hereby the link: http://mlparena.com/index.php/topic,382959.msg1633380.html#msg1633380
I think I kind of started the questions on the authenticity of Sunstone with this thread. ;)
Regarding you're Sunstone, I just don't believe it to be her childhood one, I'm sorry. The head has definitely come off at some time and besides collectors I really can't see why kids would do that (and if they did, why the same head will be placed back...).
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Thanks Nella. Your Sunstone seems to have an even worse head/body mismatch. But the neckseam on yours is intact? I almost feel like opening mine up. But then again. If she is genuine I would ruin her neckseam. The rest is glued tight shut. It's just the right side that is sort if open. Should I boil her and see if the glue loosens?
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It wouldn't hurt to open yours as the seam is already opened. The only thing is.... what would that give you? The tailwasher will probably be there (easy to place the tail back with washer). You can just try to remove this glue so that it looks better.
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Boiling her wouldn't do any damage to the hair, right? I mean the manes that if it is boiled will the mane glue come off and will her hair fall out? Or do Italy ponies not use any glue in their manes?
And...what if this is the real one but the head has come off and someone just failed at glueing it properly? Not to be annoying, but what in the pictures I posted shows that it's deffinitly a fake? Purely the fact that the neck seam seems to have glued horribly?
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I don't know... that's why I started my thread back than ;). Mine had a different color green. How is that stroke of hair on yours?
Glue on hair? I've never heard of that. Which G1's have that? Boiling shouldn't be a problem, although I boil water and put the pony in it, not other way around (not really boiling the pony itself).
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Different color green? I haven't looked into that. You mean darker or lighter?
I know that some ponies have glue over the stitched part of their manes. My childhood Salty had that. Amd sopme others I owned that were beheaded.
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Yes, it's in my thread. I thought Sunstone's is darker than Moonstone's.
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My Sunstone also has the mismatched body/head. I bought her from a reputable collector but did have a panic attack when this came out again recently. I didn't pay top dollar for her, thank goodness because her price has seemed to drop dramatically, but still paid enough. Anyway, I compared her head to my Italian Moonstones, and they were not the same shade of blue which brought some relief.
Post Merge: November 26, 2017, 11:54:37 AM
I was just looking at a picture of mine, we should swap heads. My pony's head is too dark for her body :biggrin:
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This was mine. She was one of the first ones 'found.' I actually traded for her expecting her to be Italian Moonstone. (This was before everyone had digital cameras so people just described ponies, and she was described as "blue Italian pony with rainbow hair."
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I eventually sold her so I don't have her anymore.
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Oh wow yours looks pretty. Her head and body are the exact same color. After seeing several other ones from members as well as on google and on Ebay. I can say that my head/body mismatch is not that bad. It's just the glue that bothers me and makes me wonder. I might boil er and see if the glue comes loose. But if I find out her plastic is still stuck together, then I will not twist and pry to get it off. Cause if that is that case, she could be a real one.
Post Merge: November 27, 2017, 01:48:47 AM
Ok...so I boiled her. I held her down with her head in a pot with boiling water for severalminutes straight. But I can't get her head off. The glue is not giving way and it looks like parts of her neck are indeed still fused together as in plastic melted together. I am affraid to start tearing it. I'm starting to think it might be a genuine one.
Post Merge: November 27, 2017, 02:14:22 AM
Here are some photos of the neck again. She was boiled so she was more flexible. This is what I discovered:
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The plastic of the neck seam seems to still be fused together. So I start to feel as if she's genuine. Maybe I should use some of my own glue to fix that gap up and make her pretty again.
But what do you guys think afer seeing this?
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Please don't try and seal her neck up again, it could cause future problems should you ever choose to part with her. It looks like either her neck was pulled apart at some point or someone half tried to remove her head at some point.
IMHO I think she is authentic, but that is only my opinion. You have to see how you feel about her.
It is tricky as we do not understand how she came about, no one has ever found one MOC or MIB so we do not know of her distribution, was she an end of line "lets make ponies using the left overs", was she some sort of "exclusive" and so on.
As I have said before, buying ponies is taking a risk you take and nirvana ponies are an even bigger risk.
Love pkw xxx
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I agree with pkw. I never glue the heads back on. I haven't full heartedly tried this, but if you are able to warm up the neck seam to soften the plastic (can use a hiar/blow dryer), try holding the head and body together (maybe even used well placed tape temporarily). The plastic might reshape itself, and although the fit may not be perfect...perhaps an improvement of what you are currently have.
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Thanks for the advice Kitty and jrr74. I will not glue her then. I honestly think she in genuine, but had a terrible neck and some previous owner tried to glue her but failed and used the wrong glue. Is there a way to get rid of the glue stains? It makes her look fake and tempered with. I tried rubbing some pure acetone on it but it didn't work. Any other tricks to remove super glue stains?
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The Italy glue stains, it’s like that with all Italian ponies. It’s like the misprinted eyes, a feature if you will ;)
I’ve never had success trying to remove it, so it’s best left! You have to be careful with acetone as it can dull the surface of a pony.
Love pkw xx
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Oh I didn't know that about the stains. Since no one ever called it out. The stains are brown-ish. So I thoguht it was glue that someone used to try and glue the gap of the neck. It's not that bad really. But I could try the blowdrying thing. Need to buy one first since I don't have one lol. I just hate ponies with loose or open necks. It looks so off to me :P