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Pony Talk => MLP Nirvana => Topic started by: maycrestmom on August 05, 2017, 11:29:49 AM
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ok... so I have a dark and medium purple hair glory
now you are all probably like = what? there's only one type of purple hair
that's what I thought until this posey showed up = does anyone know more about if this is just the lighting regarding this peruvian?
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I wasn't able to get any information from the ebay seller which is unfortunate as he's also gotten ahold of a white moonstone so I know there are some funky variants out there
and my peru posey seems to have the standard lilac, curly hair-type
so perhaps like I said it is just the lighting on that purple hair posey but I am wondering if she's a variant of a variant and if anyone has any additional information I am most appreciative as I am slowly going through my massive MLPherd and trying to figure which of the family groups I look to rehome some of these lovelies :-)
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here's the three purple hair colors
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I had catagorized my former glory as a rehair/discolored and now I am not so sure
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What are the tail washers and the mane weave like in Posey, Glory and Glory? :)
What is the texture like of each of the different shades? How does it compare to your other Peru ponies?
Love pkw xxx
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I have had a glory from Peru with hair that colour. She was a rehair. I guessed they must have had some doll hospitals like in Argentina that used that hair to restore ponies or else the seller uses it to rehair ponies with. The purple is a nice colour and mine had the same sort of curl as yours so I am pretty sure it's the same hair used. Mine also had a different sort of rehair weave job done in that I am not familiar with, one strand of hair was used to reply 2 holes so the hair weave looked like this /////// rather than :::: if that makes sense. I would class factory weave hair more like xxxxx
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guessed they must have had some doll hospitals like in Argentina that used that hair to restore ponies or else the seller uses it to rehair ponies with.
yep that was my position as well = did they have doll hospitals in peru?? I was only aware of Argentina
and lemme go get a pic of tail washers - good call PKW
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here's tail washers so to me, both peruvian
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and I tried to get the mane weave to show:
dark purple
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medium purple
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I agree the quality of the hair is good (as can compare with the other two "curly" varieties) and that is cool to me to know that it might have been a local hospital that allowed a haircut pony (?) to get a second life
so yeah that posey threw me when I stumbled on the picture and so I began to wonder if there was more to peru pony stories regarding their purple curly hair...
thanks guys :-)
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I'd love to see picture of the tail washers :D
For comparison here is my Brazil dolls hospital rehaired Starshine :) There are a few other ponies out there who have identical rehairing to my Starshine. I have seen a Brazil North Star and a Brazil Shady, as well as an Argie Baby Applejack.
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Inside her head the front of her mane is factory weave, but part of it is ||||| at the bottom (the yellow and part of the pale pink). She has been seen by other collectors including LadyG and Taffeta, who both confirmed she is factory weave.
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What it looks like on the outside
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My Peru lilac curly haired Starshine has burnt ends inside her head and her tail is a burnt lump. Other collectors have looked at her and said her hair is the same as Peru lilac curly Posey's hair in both colour and texture.
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I have been wondering for some time is Peru/Argie/Brazil etc ponies were sold in other parts of South America (kind of like Italy ponies being sold through out Europe) Another thing that wouldn't surprise me if they all ended up either at the same dolls hospital or there was another doll hospital somewhere else :)
Love pkw xxx
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yes that would make sense if there is a "standard" regarding how professional the rehair is and the "local" tail washer (not a modern zip tie)
I am not familiar enough with MLP lore if Hasbro would have offered such a service like this hospital? I know my brother could send in his busted star wars figures and Kenner would send him a new one in replacement (smart kid! in figuring out how to keep C-3PO shiny after sinking him in a backyard Degobah (sp?) swamp... but I digress) and we had the pony points program/mail order stuff here in the US
yep, other than she's a bit more yellowed with age she's a great custom/variant... man, if only these gals could talk
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no info, just stopping in to drool. I love these purple haired girls
fascinating post though!
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They are all gorgeous!!
I've never taken apart a pony and looked at the hair. PKW, is the Lilac Haired Starshine thought to be a custom because of the burnt ends?
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MCM with out a doubt those are true Peru washers :bigups: they match and look factory :D
Hasbro sold the licence to manufacture MLP to the local toy companies, El Greco in Greece, Top Toys in Argentina and so on. If there was a dolls hospital it may well have been linked to the factory that produced the ponies rather than being directly linked to Hasbro (like your brother sending his C3P0 directly to Kenner). On saying that the hospital might have been totally independent (I do think more likely linked to the factory on looking at the washers).
I recall my Mum writing to Hasbro UK when my flutter wings broke and she get sent a replacement set. I am not sure about any other kinds of repairs that may have been offered since non of my ponies had hair cuts.
KC I think she is some sort of rehair, but it is not "new" rehair if you understand me :( I have had her for a looooooong time I got her back in 2006, I bought her off a lady in Germany who got her from Peru in around 2004/5 (I remember the original auction as I got out bid on her, the original seller was in Peru and selling off ponies). I *think* my lilac Starshine is the same as the one in the Nirvana Gallery, I have messaged the image owner but never got a reply so I cannot be 100% sure. I still love her though :)
Out of interest here is Fizzy_NZ's North Star
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And this lot where on ebay ever such a long time ago (I don't know who owns them as I saved the picture, but lot the name of the owner :(
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Love pkw xxx
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Oh WOW!!! Those ponies are so unique and lovely! :stunned:. I love them!
And pkw your purple haired starshine is gorgeous!
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A collector from Brazil confirmed at the time they where indeed Brazil Dolls Hospital rehairs.
I wish we could somehow confirm the others though, MCM is right if only they could talk!
I have to admit I prefer that other shade of purple hair on Glory ^.^
Love pkw xxx
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I know absolutely nothing about Nirvanas, but I'm amazed by the gorgeous ponies in this thread! Thank you all for sharing photos.
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my glory had the same rehair pattern as your mcm so chances are high the same person did them, I brought my girl about 2 years ago but I have seen a few pop up on ebay over the days. Pkw your rehair pattern looks different but the hair looks the same, that purple curl is quite unique.
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Slightly off-topic but still connected >>>
I am fascinated by the idea of a dolls hospital connected to the original factory.
I would love to hear about the folks who worked there and what tips and tricks they had for a fast and professional re-hair, I guess they had access to the proper re-hairing machines... I wonder how many poorly toys they fixed per day?
Gah, when my flutter wings broke as I (carefully) opened up my pony box I was so miffed... I should have written a letter too, oh well!
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my glory had the same rehair pattern as your mcm so chances are high the same person did them, I brought my girl about 2 years ago but I have seen a few pop up on ebay over the days. Pkw your rehair pattern looks different but the hair looks the same, that purple curl is quite unique.
I have seen quite a few over the years with the official washer and the ||||||| weave or the mane. Not just Peru ponies, Argies and Brazil.
Brazil Starshine's rehair pattern is a weave at the top and |||||| at the bottom, it is almost impossible for me to take a picture.
Peru lilac Starshine has the ends of each individual mane plug burnt/melted (like her tail), so inside she looks like ::::::: but not a weave if you understand. It is a little messy with stray hairs, so you can't see the pattern to well. Her hair is beautiful, it is quite soft, not stiff at all and the curls are original.
Love pkw xxx
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I've been stalking this thread. Well, I bought the Peru Posey pictured in the initial post from Maycrest, who arrived a few days after the thread started. I did notice the different shade of purple hair in the auction pic, but thought it was just the lighting or the camera.
I bought her as a slight upgrade, but if she's a rehair I think I will send her back. I don't collect rehairs or customs, even old rehairs from doll hospitals. If you guys are certain that she's a doll hospital rehair, I think I'll send her back.
So are you pretty sure?
I didn't open her up, as I don't like breaking neck seals. I've never done customs and can't really tell from the weave anyway.
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I must admit when I saw the auction on first glance it looked like bad lighting to me too! It was only after more careful examination and this thread I noticed she was indeed a dark purple rather than the light purple.
Is her head glued on? My Peru's have loose heads :)
Love pkw xxx
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Yeah, it's glued.
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Do you have any other Peru ponies you can compare her way th? How does the texture of the hair feel? Do your other Peru ponies have glued heads?
What do others think?
Love pkw xxx
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To be fair Kelly yfeathers unless you look your never going to know for sure. I always check my ponies hair for factory weaves. 7 times over I have been sold expensive undisclosed rehair some of these had there heads glued back on to look factory sealed. A few rehairs I would have never picked as the looked factory but I found out just because I simply check now days (this way I can sort the issue straight away in the past I found my rehair to late to address the issue with the seller).
The amount of rehair is quite high specially with variants, I am still surprised the amount of people that don't check for authenticity. Mostly my undisclosed rehair have come all from collectors hands (and all swore they had no idea the pony was a rehair)
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I have the factory rehair Brazil dancing butterflies with the weird green hair....and a Argentina whizzer that is also a factory rehair...they are so fun!
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To be fair Kellyponyfeathers unless you look your never going to know for sure. I always check my ponies hair for factory weaves. 7 times over I have been sold expensive undisclosed rehair some of these had there heads glued back on to look factory sealed. A few rehairs I would have never picked as the looked factory but I found out just because I simply check now days (this way I can sort the issue straight away in the past I found my rehair to late to address the issue with the seller).
The amount of rehair is quite high specially with variants, I am still surprised the amount of people that don't check for authenticity. Mostly my undisclosed rehair have come all from collectors hands (and all swore they had no idea the pony was a rehair)
You are right, the only way to be sure is to remove the head :(
Oh man :( I always pop heads off too, mostly because I am afraid of mold and rust. I didn't discover my lilac Peru Starshine had the funny rehairing/burnt ends until a few years ago. I just took it for granted she had a weave as her hair is a match for the curly lilac Peru hair.
Wizzer yes! Your Argie Whizzer has the same shade of yellow as my Brazil Factory rehair Starshine :)
http://mlparena.com/archive/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=472145
That Dancing with Butterflies is so pretty :heart:
http://mlparena.com/archive/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=472091
You also have this Peru Green Medley with dark purple hair ^.^
http://mlparena.com/archive/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=472792
It would seem these rehairs include ponies from Brazil, Argentina and Peru.
Love pkw xxx
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I am under the impression that Peru pony heads are typically unglued (all mine have been also), so that would make me lean towards rehair of some kind as well :/
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Sorry it took me so long to reply to my own question! I'm getting ready to move again, so unfortunately I've been busy.
The hair quality is good, still pretty soft, still has some curl. The mane is about the right length for a "super curly" Peru pony, though the tail seems shorter than others (most super curlies have extra long tails). The color looks the same as Maycrest's Glory, fairly deep purple, but not as dark as normal Peru Glory.
I also have a lilac haired Peru Cotton Candy. I bought her as a variant, but I'm pretty sure that this one, at least, is a rehair. The texture is all wrong, way too soft and fluffy. Her neck is glued.
For the other Peruvians, I'm not sure. I bought most of them directly from Peru; only a few came from other collectors. Some of their necks are sealed, some aren't. Who knows, maybe the glue just became old and brittle and broken. I have several doubles. (Yeah, I know I should sell some extras.)
I have two of orange Tootsie, for example. Both their necks are loose, so I looked in them. One is very neat and tight, the other is messy.
Also have 2 of Peru Glory, both with loose necks. The one from another collector is neat and tight. The other directly from Peru is messy. Hair color and length look correct on both, dark royal purple.
Finally also have 2 of Peru Moonstone, both directly from Peru. Both have loose necks and messy weaves, though one is a little messier than the other. Hair looks correct on both, and the green streaks have the typical Peru brittleness that makes it prone to frizzing.
So I don't know. Like I said, I don't do customs or rehairs myself, so I don't know much about weaves or rehairing techniques. But I've never really bought into the widely held assumption that a messy weave definitely means the pony was rehaired. Maybe factories used different hairing techniques to manufacure the same pony.
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Messy weaves are completely different to a rehair, like you noticed on your tootise some times weaves are just messy cause they are, this is more so when a pony has a few hair colours. If get confused as to whats a rehsir or not i get a pony with a clean factory weave to put things into perspective a rehair seems more obvoius when looking side by side.
The most common method for rehair is just stuffing hair into a plug, the inside looks clean enough but when you run your finger inside you can feel no joins within the hair since there is no weave, the haor inside will feel smooth not rough, if that makes sense). Sometimes ( not always) looking at the mane plugs without beheading a pony can give glues about rehair, sometimes a plug of hair is missing along the mane or sometimes a plug looks a little damaged (rehairing can spilt plugs).
I use to have some clear pics to show a few different rehairs method from inside a pony head but thanks to photo bucket I can't easily link them. I will pm you pics if I can find them :)
My rehaired Peru glory come straight from Peru but it was stated she was a rehair so hair was no nasty surprise there. I brought her on a whim as I was curouis about this purple hair and wanted to see the rehair technique. I really think now there must have been a doll hospital or one seller that rehairs a lot of ponies with that purple hair. That purple hair has been so constant over the years (the lighter purple used in rehairs)
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nhal039 is correct a messy weave doesn't always indicate a pony is a rehair. I have had the heads of MANY ponies and some are neat and tidy and others are like a rats nest!
nhal039 also mentioned about tiny split occurring with rehairs, this is TRUE, I have rehaired a lot and you do get tiny splits around the plug.
Here are a few videos on the different methods you can use, yes they are on a doll, but the technique and result are the same as on ponies.
http://www.mylittlecustoms.co.uk/storepage635486.aspx
I used to use the knot method when I started customising, but switched over to the tool method in 2006 after repeatedly splitting my thumb. I think most people use the tool method now a days as it is quick and easy.
The loop method is the method a few people use, it is very close to the factory weave and has been used to create fake Reverse Gustys.
I haven't had that many Peru ponies through my hands :( and the ones I have had have loose heads, but that could be that the glue has perished, they were never glued in the first place or they had their neck seal broken. It could be some got glued and others didn't, I don't know.
Love pkw xxx
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I really think now there must have been a doll hospital or one seller that rehairs a lot of ponies with that purple hair. That purple hair has been so constant over the years (the lighter purple used in rehairs)
Nhal, do you mean like my lilac-haired Cotton Candy with the fluffy texture? Yes, that one I can almost definitely agree is a rehair.
Well, what do you guys think about the medium-purple Peru ponies, like Glory and my new Posey? The tail washers look the same. Possible variant/possible doll hospital rehair? I'm still trying to decide if I should return her.
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oh man thanks for everyone contributing to this discussion :-)
yeah I get the problem with acquiring doubles KPF since like I wrote about spain fizzy, I thought I was buying an upgrade and then find out it's a mismatch variant
first thing I would decide is whether or not to pop the head and then since you have the comparison of those glory ponies also from peru, that can help you see "regular" versus doll hospital variant
I'm inclined with the number of members who have similar types of peruvians to agree that that there seems there's a doll hospital involved. With seeing the local tail washer in mine, I'm comfortable to keep her even as a rehair as that repair is locally done :-) even though it does no help in my thin-the-herd quest