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Title: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Leave a Whisper on June 20, 2017, 12:01:07 PM
What are the differences between comic and cartoon personalities? Especially those who got very little story time in one or the other? :)
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: LadyMoondancer on June 20, 2017, 01:40:48 PM
Comic Wind Whistler was light-hearted and sort of bubble-headed, not particularly known for her smarts.  She also didn't have cartoon Wind Whistler's trait of using big words. :)

"Winking out" wasn't a regular thing for unicorns in the comics.  Some ponies could teleport, but it wasn't called "winking out" and some of them were even earth ponies and such, like Parasol.

Cupcake liked to cook in both universes, so that was pretty similar.

Shady was a lot less whiny in the comics IMO.  Once or twice they mentioned that "Shady often thought she was bad luck", but mostly she just went off and did her own thing while wearing her magic sunglasses.

Paradise, Mimic, Ember, and some other ponies weren't in the UK comic because they weren't sold in the UK.

Comic Firefly was pretty similar to her "Firefly's Adventure" personality, daring and constantly doing aerial tricks.

Comic Twilight was shy and hid herself in mist during the day.

Comic Megan wasn't as "in charge" of the ponies as in the cartoon.  (Usually Majesty was firmly in charge.)

Comic Cotton Candy was "the ponyland nurse", although IMO she was more like a medicine woman or a straightout doctor than a 'nurse.'  She gathered herbs to heal sick ponies / woodland creatures.

Comic Sundance was clumsy, much like her Escape from Catrina self.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Leave a Whisper on June 20, 2017, 01:44:21 PM
That's pretty interesting Lady Moondancer thank you. Did other sets show up such as the Twice as Fancies or the wingers?
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Taffeta on June 21, 2017, 09:56:23 AM
The nurse job was inherited. Gusty was the second nurse (she spent a lot of time with the baby ponies), a job that was then taken over by Lollipop (US:Sweet Tooth) and finally Caramel Crunch although she never had the official title of nurse.

I don't remember Shady ever saying or thinking she was bad luck in the comics, but I do have a couple of missing ones still. I think her character is closer to her US backcard story. She didn't have a story here except in the factfile. Baby Shady also had magic glasses and a boat named after her, captained by mice I think.

Lightning could also wink in and out.

Cupcake didn't exist in the pony comics, so she can't have had the same personality xD. She wasn't sold in the UK and she, Paradise and Truly never appeared in the comic, although others that weren't sold here did. I used to think Cupcake and Truly were made up for the animation.  I think maybe you're thinking of Gingerbread and Sweetie with all the cooking? They did a lot of cooking, generally together.

Fizzy was ditzy but it was more clumsy and awkward than in the cartoon. She was also a special pony, though. She had firework magic and always appeared around November, when we have Bonfire Night in the UK. That became "Fizziwhizz Night" in ponyland.

Sunbeam threw a lot of parties. She annoyed me because of that.

Firefly was way more stubborn and a lot less helpful. I remember she'd do silly things and need to be rescued, usually by Medley with Majesty's help. She was a daredevil though.

Mas*uerade (I have a broken letter key >.>) was the mistress of disguise. She loved dressing up in costume. She played a dragon, pony christmas, and other roles during her time in the comic.

Tootsie was a bit clumsy as well I think, also well meaning, whenever she said "Pollipop Latch" lollipops sprung up from the ground.

Lemon Drop liked holding show events and gymkhanas and things like that, and Peachy was a proper hairdresser, as was Kiss Curl. Those are obvious characters but ponies that didn't get a real US character?

Megan didn't really exist in the UK comics. She was in one or two episodes or stories but really was a nonevent. I only remember one proper story with her and the smooze and I don't remember her doing much else other than appearing occasionally in the background artwork of story scenes.

Wing Song was a dreamer and wrote music. She also found Paradise Estate, I think. Cloud Puff was possibly an even bigger dreamer.

I am trying to think of ponies that appeared in both the comics and the TV show, but it's hard as most of the characters I remember aren't in the animation. I know Powder and Sparkler were close friends (they have a whole adventure story together on the cassettes). Sparkler was something of a magpie for sparkling things, she collected them and Powder could turn things to ice.

The Party Ponies (UK name for TAF, set one) and all of the wingers are in the comics. We didn't have the TAF second set in the UK so no comics for them. What I remember for the Party Ponies is as follows:
Dancing Butterflies was a shy dancer who literally danced (beautifully) with the butterflies
I am sure Strawberry Fair (US: Sugarberry) had some kind of magic where she shook her mane and strawberries appeared.
I cannot remember for Milky Way. Lollipop (US: Sweet Tooth) was as I said the baby pony nurse. Love Melody was a singer, Up Up and Away definitely had balloon magic of some kind.

Off the top of my head the only thing I can remember for wingers is when Flurry was Pony Christmas...but I know they have stories about them. I just haven't read them for a long time.

Basically most every pony sold in the UK up until 93 plus a few of the early US ones appeared in the comic in some way between 85 and 94.

This is becoming a really long post, but I almost forgot the most important ones of all, the Princess Ponies. They had proper characters in the UK, they weren't just spoiled brats. Again, I have a broken key, so I hope this makes sense ;)

Pearl (US: Tiffany): She was the sensitive and gentle one, she cried wishing pearls.
A*uamarine (US: Serena): She was absent minded and a daydreamer
Amethyst (US: Sparkle): She was something of a well meaning busybody, always wanting to help, and always making it worse.
Sapphire (US: Royal Blue): She was the oldest and most responsible and clever of the Princesses (which is why her baby dragon was the youngest and most unsure of the dragons) and she was a good problem solver.
Ruby (US: Primrose): Was impatient and restless. She often used to say "Restless Rubies" when something annoyed her.
Amber (US: Starburst): For some reason I really don't remember Amber's personality. She did have one. I have a feeling she was a practical kind and she'd say that things were no problem, and that would be the trigger for them becoming a problem, but I don't totally recall...
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Leave a Whisper on June 21, 2017, 11:45:26 AM
Good stuff. It's interesting to see how different some of them were, as well as getting other ponies in on the action that didn't get any development at all or were just there to be there . :) I always used to wonder why Shady had sunglasses as a kid.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Taffeta on June 22, 2017, 02:14:18 AM
I should also add that the Mail Order versions of Ember were officially sold in the UK and via mail order (Chrissytree has proven this for sure now xD) but for some reason she didn't get into the comics :/ I am going to guess because she predated them, perhaps like Minty and Bluebelle who also don't appear.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: LadyMoondancer on June 22, 2017, 09:44:07 AM
The story where Shady thinks she's bad luck is one of the annuals.  :)  It's a story about her finding a row of creepy face-doors and helping the gnomes or fairies or something who live behind them.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Leave a Whisper on June 22, 2017, 09:55:54 AM
The story where Shady thinks she's bad luck is one of the annuals.  :)  It's a story about her finding a row of creepy face-doors and helping the gnomes or fairies or something who live behind them.


That sounds like a neat and creepy story.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Taffeta on June 22, 2017, 03:44:34 PM
The story where Shady thinks she's bad luck is one of the annuals.  :)  It's a story about her finding a row of creepy face-doors and helping the gnomes or fairies or something who live behind them.

I have all of the annuals, but I don't remember that story. That means it was probably in one I got from a carboot sale and not from my childhood, as I would have remembered it otherwise.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: LadyMoondancer on June 22, 2017, 03:49:39 PM
I just checked and it's in the 1988 annual. :)  Here's a link to it:  http://heckyeahponyscans.tumblr.com/post/144416540987

One of the weirder stories, but that only makes me like it more, lol.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Al-1701 on June 22, 2017, 04:25:51 PM
I was amazed when I was first introduced to the world of U.K. pony lore.  Really, the G1 show was only about the first release of So Soft and Twinkle Eyed ponies along with the other sets released around the same time.  The comic was able to cover just about everything during its run.  It's really changed my vision of what the G1 world is.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Taffeta on June 23, 2017, 12:59:47 AM
I just checked and it's in the 1988 annual. :)  Here's a link to it:  http://heckyeahponyscans.tumblr.com/post/144416540987

One of the weirder stories, but that only makes me like it more, lol.

Hrm, I did have that annual as a kid, and I remember that story really clearly. But I guess it didn't register with me because it's such a throwaway line in the story. She's shown as brave and determined and arguing her case, not anything like the character in the animation. You made it sound like it was an ongoing theme in her story overall, but I really don't think that it was.

Do you have a scan of Cupcake appearing in the comic by the way? I think you may have more comics than I do in your collection, and she did appear on a clock here, but I can't remember her ever being in the comic and would be curious to see her if she did.

Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: LadyMoondancer on June 23, 2017, 08:54:23 AM
Yeah, it's a throwaway line but I do think it's a reference to the cartoon or, more likely, the movie.  Like there was that whole scene about how Gusty was complaining that Shady was bad luck, and then Shady said her luck could change or something like that.  Because with her personality being so different in the comics, I don't know where else they would have pulled the idea of "Shady thinks she's bad luck" from.

Cupcake as in So-Soft Cupcake?  Hmm . . . I don't think I've ever seen her in a comic.  Which is odd because Lofty and a bunch of the other SS ponies were in it.  I'll keep an eye out for her just in case she snuck in. :)
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Taffeta on June 23, 2017, 09:28:45 AM
It probably comes from her UK backcard. The Movie Star ponies have one line comments on the back of their own card and hers says something about bad luck.

I asked about Cupcake because you mentioned her before xd. I said above that I thought she didn't exist here, but if I missed the Shady one I thought maybe there was a Cupcake story I missed as well...

Lofty is more mysterious in her inclusion than Ribbon, since Ribbon I think was going to be sold here and was switched out for Gusty at the last minute, maybe because Hasbro realised they hadn't released the other set with Gusty in here and they felt she was a stronger character. In any case, Ribbon is mentioned on Megan and Sundance's card in 86 and also she's illustrated with the other movie star ponies on the artwork for the club (but Gusty isn't). It's all circumstantial but I think she was going to come out as a movie star pony but then ultimately didn't. Why Lofty is in the comics and Paradise, Cupcake (?) and Truly are not is a mystery to me though. Especially since Cupcake and Truly were sold and packaged on UK-printed card as regular ponies, even though they were not sold in the UK...

That's why I asked if I had missed Cupcake, because I remembered there was that UK alarm clock with her on it...
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: LadyMoondancer on June 23, 2017, 09:31:57 AM
I might have meant Gingerbread, I sometimes get her and Cupcake mixed up because of their pose and the fact that they're both food based.  ;)

*scrolls up* Oh yeah, I see where I said that.  Yeah, I definitely meant Gingerbread.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Ponyfan on June 23, 2017, 09:54:19 AM
I was amazed when I was first introduced to the world of U.K. pony lore. 


Me too. I was surprised to find out how much of a role Majesty played in the comics when we didn't see her at all in the US at all in the cartoons. Also that Applejack is considered to be a very clumsy pony although it was sort of hinted at in Rescue at Midnight Castle and My Little Pony Adventure Book. I still have a lot of the comics left to read but it seems the UK got more G1 lore than the US did.  It's also interesting that the Princess Pearl could cry wishing pearls.


Ponyfan

Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Taffeta on June 23, 2017, 10:43:45 AM
I was amazed when I was first introduced to the world of U.K. pony lore. 

it seems the UK got more G1 lore than the US did.


We did and it's amazing. It's absolutely hands down the reason why I would not sacrifice growing up with MLP in the UK, even though it meant we missed out on some truly awesome ponies.

I wonder if Majesty as the key character in all of this relates to the fact we still have a monarchy. I've always wondered about that, and the fact the Princesses here have much more solid characters. That would also fit for some of Europe, where there are also still some monarchies in place.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: LadyMoondancer on June 23, 2017, 10:54:00 AM
I dunno, 'princess dolls' are very very popular in the US too.  There's a Disney Princess line, not a Disney Democracy line or Disney Congresswoman line, lol. I think there's almost more of an attraction to them for US kids because we don't have a monarchy, so royalty is very much associated with fantasy and magic, not 'real life'.  Thus we can pretend that princesses are always young and beautiful and graceful and sing ballads with woodland creatures and probably have magic too. :P

I remember in the 80s the US was obsessed with Princess Di, and I think it's because she fit a lot of the "fairy tale princess" tropes, or at least close enough.  (Young, beautiful, generous, etc.)

I think the cartoon Princess ponies were selfish to invert the usual trope of Princesses being generous and perfect.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Al-1701 on June 23, 2017, 08:38:49 PM
Princess ponies were also only afforded a single 40 minute story in the show.  The comic was able to give them more stories as individuals rather than being a set.

I would have loved to see Majesty of the ponies' answer to Optimus Prime.  However, someone decided pushing Megan was a better idea.  Such is life I guess.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: northstar3184 on June 23, 2017, 09:05:40 PM
Princess ponies were also only afforded a single 40 minute story in the show.  The comic was able to give them more stories as individuals rather than being a set.

I would have loved to see Majesty of the ponies' answer to Optimus Prime.  However, someone decided pushing Megan was a better idea.  Such is life I guess.

That would have been something. An MLP and Transformers crossover. I like it!
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: LadyMoondancer on June 23, 2017, 10:36:16 PM
Oddly, I think the MLP & Friends show bible did have a throwaway line about Majesty.  But presumably didn't have an actual personality profile for her.  I don't think Dream Castle was still being sold at that point, and Hasbro wouldn't have wanted to 'waste time' advertising a pony that kids couldn't buy.  (Spike was offered as a mail order around the time of the movie (cartoon-eyes Spike), so I guess that's why he made it into the show.)

To me it seems stranger that Majesty isn't in RaMC or EfC, because the castle WAS being sold around then.  Time constraints, maybe?
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Taffeta on June 24, 2017, 01:05:53 AM
I guess it's no surprise to anyone that Dream Castle was out here in the UK for a very long time.

It also didn't bother Hasbro UK though if they wasted time promoting ponies they weren't going to sell. Yes, I'm being bitter about the year 2 and 3 unicorns and pegasus ponies/year 3 rainbow ponies again. Don't mind me. This is a scar of my childhood that I will never fully forgive ;)

Majesty is also in (or at least on the cover?) of one of the US books. I think I used to have it but I am sure I no longer do as I downsized my merchandise.

I guess the animation wanted to mary-sue Megan instead.

The Picnic at the PE US tape does make her older than all the ponies, even the ones with babies, so draw your own conclusions about that.

I am glad Megan was largely irrelevant here. Majesty might have been a touch sadistic from time to time, but infinitely preferable as a character.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Al-1701 on June 24, 2017, 03:11:11 AM
I've always pictured her being much older than the others, actually.  Like my work assumes ponies have an average life expectancy of more than two centuries and she is 153 (don't ask how I came up with the specific number).  The rest of the G1 ponies range from their late teens to early thirties.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Taffeta on June 24, 2017, 03:12:43 AM
I've always pictured her being much older than the others, actually.  Like my work assumes ponies have an average life expectancy of more than two centuries and she is 153 (don't ask how I came up with the specific number).  The rest of the G1 ponies range from their late teens to early thirties.

I meant Megan, not Majesty. The tape states that Megan is the oldest there.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Al-1701 on June 24, 2017, 03:56:13 AM
I've always pictured her being much older than the others, actually.  Like my work assumes ponies have an average life expectancy of more than two centuries and she is 153 (don't ask how I came up with the specific number).  The rest of the G1 ponies range from their late teens to early thirties.

I meant Megan, not Majesty. The tape states that Megan is the oldest there.
Now that's just pathetic.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Taffeta on June 24, 2017, 04:05:15 AM
I've always pictured her being much older than the others, actually.  Like my work assumes ponies have an average life expectancy of more than two centuries and she is 153 (don't ask how I came up with the specific number).  The rest of the G1 ponies range from their late teens to early thirties.

I meant Megan, not Majesty. The tape states that Megan is the oldest there.
Now that's just pathetic.

I would say concerning, as Sundance has Baby Sundance there, yet a girl of approximately ten or eleven is apparently older than her. I think Hasbro went a bit too much for the horse age realism and completely missed the boat on what they were actually saying...
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Al-1701 on June 24, 2017, 04:23:49 AM
That's my best guess.

I don't know why the U.S. put Megan on such a high pedestal.  Spike and company were valuable allies to the Autobots for sure, but they were allies, not bossing them around and taking charge of the situation.  If anything, the Autobots tried to keep them out of harm's way as much possible, them having to act directly being a sign of absolute desperation.

Really, I would have done that with the ponies.  Make the Rainbow Bridge a responsibility for them.  They must protect Megan's world from the dangers of their world.  They literally stand on the bridge, and no one may pass.

And they would have to protect Megan.  She does not know their world, and ignorance can get you in a lot of trouble.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Leave a Whisper on June 24, 2017, 09:18:38 AM
Did we ever get to see where the sea ponies lived? Like do they have their own underwater kingdom or are they just free roamers?

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I dunno, 'princess dolls' are very very popular in the US too.  There's a Disney Princess line, not a Disney Democracy line or Disney Congresswoman line, lol. I think there's almost more of an attraction to them for US kids because we don't have a monarchy, so royalty is very much associated with fantasy and magic, not 'real life'.  Thus we can pretend that princesses are always young and beautiful and graceful and sing ballads with woodland creatures and probably have magic too. :P

I remember in the 80s the US was obsessed with Princess Di, and I think it's because she fit a lot of the "fairy tale princess" tropes, or at least close enough.  (Young, beautiful, generous, etc.)

I think the cartoon Princess ponies were selfish to invert the usual trope of Princesses being generous and perfect.

I sort of see the US princesses as a nod to the popular rich kid crowd.  Ya know, stuck up, expensive clothes, beautiful car and house, daddy buys me everything?  At least they had character growth and learned to stop being selfish brats.

Which is more then I can say for Pizzazz, though in her defense she busted her butt to make The Misfits a popular band, despite Daddy's Money.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Taffeta on June 24, 2017, 10:12:52 AM
I'm going to put my Misfit comment in spoiler tags as it's technically off topic xD.

On the subject of the sea ponies, sort of. There was King Neptune and Miranda the Mermaid. Also Kelpie, who was some kind of water sprite I think, drawing on some local mythology I believe. The adult sea ponies didn't much appear in comics but there were books with the ones we had here in - Surfdancer and the Little Mermaid was a talking book (the only one for which I can't currently find the tape, grr) and they also appeared in either the Man in the Moon or the Stolen Shadow (though they are not named right in every edition). Seaspray weirdly had a boat. I don't know why or how that makes sense, but she did.

The baby sea ponies had more of an innings as they timed better with the comic being out. They all had distinct characters, especially the originals. Tiny Bubbles was something of a leader, Splasher couldn't actually swim or didn't like actually swimming but splashed around everywhere (they had the floats because they were all learning to swim but Backstroke was supposedly an excellent swimmer already). Sea Shimmer was the naughty girl always getting herself into some kind of trouble or adventure. I can't remember with Surf Rider. The pearlies appeared less but I remember Water Lily was a dancer and performed water ballets. I know Ripple and Sunshower did have characters as well but even though they were my childhood ponies I can't remember :/
Spoiler
Pizzazz and the Misfits:
Pizzazz is not a 'princess' type nor really comparable to the princess trope. She's not really spoiled so much as she has everything material and nothing emotional from her father. You see that especially in Father's Day where she can't believe Clash's father really loves her and then is kind of destroyed by Harvey showing Kimber more attention than he does her. I think Pizzazz just wants to be acknowledged by her father. It's not the same as the spoiled brat princesses who just want attention without any deep dark reason why they behave that way. The Misfits in general are very human flawed individuals driven to extremes by circumstances. I think Jem herself is a better candidate for the rich kid princess character. More so than Jerrica, because she has the real world hassle, but when she's Jem, there's a sense of irresponsibility about some of her actions (like taking off with Riot on a sea trip and leaving everyone else in the lurch). Even Jerrica doesn't understand the issues of the runaways until some of hers run away in Music Awards. Pizzazz also isn't a snob. Jem and the Holograms are really mean to some of the regular folk in the show (they criticise the gondola driver in Venice for not wanting to give them a free ride, they are also negative about a rough-around-the-edges nightclub and they are flat out mean to the poor slow guy at the garage in whichever episode takes them there...Stolen Album possibly). Pizzazz goes to all these places, irrespective of the fact she's rich. (Plus she spends most of her time with Roxy and Jetta, neither of whom come from that rich vein of society. Jem and Jerrica do not mix with those people unless they are "helping" them (see the horror that is telling people who can't read to read without actually teaching them to read). That's a little different from the Princess Ponies.

In my opinion Pizzazz has much more character depth and development than the Princess Ponies do in their episode, and so the two things are entirely not comparable.

But I am a Misfit fan ;)
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Leave a Whisper on June 24, 2017, 10:26:12 AM
Why do sea ponies need a boat?  :blink:

I will hafta track down some of the comics with sea ponies in them, because I've always wished  they could have been explored more. Thanks Taffeta. :)

Why do adult sea ponies always get the shaft?

And yes I do agree with you a lot on Pizzazz, and I understand that she was acting out in order to get attention, but she had that bullying, manipulative, rich girl way with her dad and her bandmates and she had no qualms spending daddy's money.That episode was painful. I felt so bad for her.

Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Taffeta on June 24, 2017, 10:32:07 AM
Why do sea ponies need a boat?  :blink:


Ask Hasbro. I always thought it was weird, but she definitely had one xD. Maybe LM has a scan which shows it in her collection. I have only a very few stories from the comics on my site at the moment, but I do have one about Sea Shimmer being naughty.

http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/mlpmedia/seashimmer1.zip

Surf Rider apparently surfs the waves. And I think Sea Star may have had a starfish friend but I can't remember now.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: LadyMoondancer on June 24, 2017, 10:45:44 AM
Yeah, Majesty was in a couple of the US books. Off the top of my head, Majesty is in "My Little Pony Makes a Wish", where Spike 'borrows' her scepter to change the seasons to please his pony friends and makes a royal mess of things, and "Spike and the Magic Horseshoes" where Spike is feeling neglected and 'borrows' Majesty's magic shoes so he can turn invisible. There might be more but those are the only two I can remember off the top of my head.

However only a couple books aligned with MLP & Friends either (off the top of my head "Picnic at Paradise Estate" and "The Dance Recital").  Most of the books were made before MLP & Friends ever aired and featured Year 2 or Year 3 ponies.  Mostly Year 2, that was really MLP's heyday in the US.

But there were coloring books for a lot of the later years so they weren't totally neglected.

Oh yeah, Seaspray's boat!  I've got some scans of that:

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I guess it was for long journeys?
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Al-1701 on June 24, 2017, 10:46:38 AM
Using the facts of the toys, I've always had the floats be needed for the baby sea ponies to stay upright on the surface because their tails had not yet developed enough to serve as ballast.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Ponyfan on June 24, 2017, 11:32:42 AM
Here's a picture of the Spike and the Magic Shoes.

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 (https://flic.kr/p/W3eB2Q)Spike and the Magic Shoes (https://flic.kr/p/W3eB2Q) by LovesBarbie (https://www.flickr.com/photos/93040822@N05/), on Flickr 

She also appears in animated form in the US Dream Castle commercial. I never really thought about it before but it is a strange that Majesty didn't appear in RAMC or Escape from Catrina or even a line about Majesty being away from the Castle at the time.

I've always wondered if time passes differently in Ponyland than it does in the human world. 


Ponyfan

That's very interesting about the baby sea ponies.  :) 
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Leave a Whisper on June 24, 2017, 12:00:51 PM
Yeah, Majesty was in a couple of the US books. Off the top of my head, Majesty is in "My Little Pony Makes a Wish", where Spike 'borrows' her scepter to change the seasons to please his pony friends and makes a royal mess of things, and "Spike and the Magic Horseshoes" where Spike is feeling neglected and 'borrows' Majesty's magic shoes so he can turn invisible. There might be more but those are the only two I can remember off the top of my head.

However only a couple books aligned with MLP & Friends either (off the top of my head "Picnic at Paradise Estate" and "The Dance Recital").  Most of the books were made before MLP & Friends ever aired and featured Year 2 or Year 3 ponies.  Mostly Year 2, that was really MLP's heyday in the US.

But there were coloring books for a lot of the later years so they weren't totally neglected.

Oh yeah, Seaspray's boat!  I've got some scans of that:

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I guess it was for long journeys?

I guess so.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Al-1701 on June 24, 2017, 12:03:46 PM
It's unclear how time flows, but I want to say it's the same.  In Rescue, Megan was only away for a few hours, maybe a day.  Though, Midnight Castle itself seemed to warp time around it since they went from midnight to broad daylight once Tirac was destroyed.

Perhaps a better indication is "The End of Flutter Valley" as there is no sense of more time passing while Morning Glory and Sting were over in her world (if anything less time might have passed in the ponies' world).

Megan and her siblings were also only there for summer.  Pony Puppy, which spanned fall to spring was actually the first story not to feature Megan at all.  Which suggests they only visited during Summer Vacation.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Carrehz on June 24, 2017, 04:26:02 PM
I've always figured time ran differently in Ponyland to the real world - the old "hour inside, seconds outside" thing. Like Narnia. It just makes more sense to me -shrug-.
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Post by: Leave a Whisper on June 24, 2017, 04:31:39 PM
I've always figured time ran differently in Ponyland to the real world - the old "hour inside, seconds outside" thing. Like Narnia. It just makes more sense to me -shrug-.

I like that.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Al-1701 on June 24, 2017, 05:09:59 PM
I've always figured time ran differently in Ponyland to the real world - the old "hour inside, seconds outside" thing. Like Narnia. It just makes more sense to me -shrug-.
As I said, "The End of Flutter Valley" seems to shoot that full of holes.  Given how much time they were at Megan's ranch, days would have passed, but they were still almost to sunset like they had been from more than half the episode.  And that was the only episode that really visited Megan's world and had time as a factor.  "Baby It's Cold Outside" also showed things happening in Ponyland could affect Megan's ranch too.

The series was too short, and the writers probably didn't care.  Megan and her siblings were just some kids spending their summer break hanging out with ponies.  I personally think most of the episodes took place within the first part of The Magic Coins before the long stretch of fair weather was perceived as a threat.

Doing a timeline for the original series.  That would be fun.
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Post by: Taffeta on June 24, 2017, 05:16:54 PM
So then how would Memory Lane fit into this time concept? With 'older ponies' being moved on into this fictional retirement home of a street...?
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Post by: Al-1701 on June 24, 2017, 05:36:07 PM
How often did we get to see the actual Memory Lane, and what actually happened there?  I don't remember reading any stories featuring it.
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Post by: Taffeta on June 24, 2017, 05:40:00 PM
How often did we get to see the actual Memory Lane, and what actually happened there?  I don't remember reading any stories featuring it.

Ponies would go and visit older release ponies who lived there. I remember a story with Tootsie living there and others going to see her for some reason...but I wondered at what point ponies got shunted off there.
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Post by: Al-1701 on June 24, 2017, 05:53:08 PM
My guess is when Majesty tires of them.

Another to consider is that little line at the end of "The Trolls of the Castle of Darkness" by Twilight giving a sense that mortals are something else from ponies.  Kind of funny G1 ponies are able to survive the years so well compared to later generations
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Carrehz on June 25, 2017, 11:09:55 AM
I've always figured time ran differently in Ponyland to the real world - the old "hour inside, seconds outside" thing. Like Narnia. It just makes more sense to me -shrug-.
As I said, "The End of Flutter Valley" seems to shoot that full of holes.  Given how much time they were at Megan's ranch, days would have passed, but they were still almost to sunset like they had been from more than half the episode.  And that was the only episode that really visited Megan's world and had time as a factor.  "Baby It's Cold Outside" also showed things happening in Ponyland could affect Megan's ranch too.

The series was too short, and the writers probably didn't care.  Megan and her siblings were just some kids spending their summer break hanging out with ponies.  I personally think most of the episodes took place within the first part of The Magic Coins before the long stretch of fair weather was perceived as a threat.

Doing a timeline for the original series.  That would be fun.

Well, like I said that's just what I like to think, if you think otherwise then good for you. -shrug- It's just a bit of fun, nothing serious.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Al-1701 on June 25, 2017, 11:42:35 AM
True.

Something I've noticed is the U.K. Comic (and the backcards for that matter) can get very Mother Goose.  There is a man living on the moon (and must be related to the Wizard Wantall) and you reach it by traveling the Milky Way.  The sun literally smiles at you.
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Post by: invinible on June 25, 2017, 01:08:11 PM
Majesty was in Firefly's Adventure.  In fact, she was the 1 whom told all the ponies to enter Dream Castle to avoid being captured by Sorpan before Firefly flew off to get help.
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Post by: Al-1701 on June 25, 2017, 01:31:59 PM
That was Glory.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Ponyfan on July 01, 2017, 03:13:51 PM
I just read The Night Before Christmas read a long book and was surprised that Wind Whistler was portrayed as liking silly songs and getting so excited that she got words mixed up much like Doc does in Snow White.


Ponyfan
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Taffeta on July 01, 2017, 03:21:24 PM
I just read The Night Before Christmas read a long book and was surprised that Wind Whistler was portrayed as liking silly songs and getting so excited that she got words mixed up much like Doc does in Snow White.


Ponyfan

That is much more like her UK personality so I guess maybe she is silly on her US card as weirdly that is how it works. Though mixing words here is more Tootsie's thing..,
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Post by: Al-1701 on July 01, 2017, 03:22:46 PM
Yeah.  Wind Whistler was a "feather brain" in the U.K.  Though, on the official packaging for Megan and Sudnance where Megan is wearing the "Country Jamboree" outfit (a U.K. exclusive) Wind Whistler is a part of the little story and acts from like their television persona.

Wind Whistler's card is a story of her singing doing her chores when the notes of her song run away to a wishing well who needs "happy notes" to fuel its wishing power.  Wind Whistler happily supplies them.

Ironic her VA would leave acting to become a singer.
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Taffeta on July 01, 2017, 03:31:50 PM
Yeah.  Wind Whistler was a "feather brain" in the U.K.  Though, on the official packaging for Megan and Sudnance where Megan is wearing the "Country Jamboree" outfit (a U.K. exclusive) Wind Whistler is a part of the little story and acts from like their television persona

That is also true. There is so much muddled between US and UK character traits for the Movie Ponies.

On her own UK card it just says she rescued Megan from the Smooze, nothing about her character. Unhelpful ;)
Title: Re: Differences Between Cartoon and Comic Book Personalities
Post by: Al-1701 on July 01, 2017, 04:18:55 PM
I think of all the television characters, Wind Whistler had the most impact.  She was by far the most complex, and I think she resonated with all oddballs out there especially in Crunch the Rockdog.  It's too bad the series was so short and they were never really able to apply her intelligence towards something (like Bright Eye's focus on environmentalism in Tales).
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