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Title: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: Mana Minori on April 09, 2017, 09:41:15 AM
Every time I see franchises like Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, Digimon, etc. Doing big movies for their milestone anniversary (YGO Dark Side of Dimensions, Pokemon I Choose you!) or complete g1 reboots or retellings (Pokemon generations, Digimon Adventure Tri) it makes me sad that Hasbro hasn't done the same with their pony franchise. I know they're a toy company first, but seeing just a visually enhanced g1 movie come out, with the same content, while anime companies are going big or going home is pretty depressing. There's so much potential that can be done with a g1 reboot, big aniversarry movies and events, cross dimension shenanigans involving all the pony gens, but yet.... Nothing. Bummer.

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: reanna-mator on April 09, 2017, 09:44:50 AM
A bit. It would be really nice to see something besides the occasional reference in the show and comic books. FiM is so big, though, I wonder if people feel that it would be too big of a risk to try to appeal to its massive audience with G1. On the other hand, I do think there could be a market for it, and done right, could certainly appeal to the adult FiM fans. And imagine the production value a new G1 series could have! I would even be happy with a well done comic book series, maybe an occasional animated special.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: Al-1701 on April 09, 2017, 09:45:44 AM
I have to agree.  Especially since Transformers fans get plenty of retro toys, merchandise, and even printed media through IDW.  All we've gotten recently is some DVD collections (which I love).  I feel like the glare of Friendship is Magic's cultural phenomenon has blinded them to the fact this is a franchise with 35 years of history to celebrate.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: reanna-mator on April 09, 2017, 09:47:48 AM
I have to agree.  Especially since Transformers fans get plenty of retro toys, merchandise, and even printed media through IDW.  All we've gotten recently is some DVD collections (which I love).  I feel like the glare of Friendship is Magic's cultural phenomenon has blinded them to the fact this is a franchise with 35 years of history to celebrate.

That's a good point. From what I hear the Transformers stuff has done quite well, so I don't see any reason why it couldn't work for MLP.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: Mana Minori on April 09, 2017, 09:56:28 AM
I have to agree.  Especially since Transformers fans get plenty of retro toys, merchandise, and even printed media through IDW.  All we've gotten recently is some DVD collections (which I love).  I feel like the glare of Friendship is Magic's cultural phenomenon has blinded them to the fact this is a franchise with 35 years of history to celebrate.
I would love a "Time Capsule Collection" of toys just filled with a random assortment of G1, Takara,  g2, g3, and g 3.5, for starters. Then big aniversarry movies, older gen reboots. Just a whole year of past gen memories and goodies being released. Pokemon did it right.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on April 09, 2017, 10:06:13 AM
I think the difficulty with a G1 MLP reboot is who are the "classic" characters of MLP?  G1 was not character-driven.  It was so not-character-driven that almost the entire cast changed between RaMC, EfC, and the movie/MLP & Friends AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO EXPLAIN IT.  Like, not even a throwaway line about Firefly being off travelling the world or anything.  Nothing.

Digimon and Transformers on the other hand are very character based.  Can you imagine Hasbro trying to do with TF what they did with MLP--just have all the old TFs disappear and not explain it?  Nope, they had to explain where Optimus Prime was because everyone knew who he was.  So they chose to make children cry, lol.

Pokemon actually has a formula which would have worked for G1:  focus on two ever-present protagonists (Ash, Pikachu) and give them new companions / new Pokemon related to whatever the current game was.  I think it would have been interesting to see MLP & Friends done like that.  That said, a lot of it does hinge on the quality of those protagonists if they're going to be the focus ALL the time.  To be honest Ash is usually one of my least favorite characters in any given season.  He either comes across as being too perfect (XY) or really stupid (B&W).

Come to think of it, I guess Sunbow sort of did do that, with Megan as the protagonist.  Unfortunately I hate Megan's oh-so-perfect character, so . . . And it still didn't really "work", like it did in Pokemon, because Megan stayed in Dream Valley, so there was no reasonable explanation for why the old ponies were disappearing.  At least Ash travels around and says goodbye when other characters leave.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: Leave a Whisper on April 09, 2017, 10:15:59 AM
Yup. Considering how spoiled rotten transformer fans of all gens are, I absolutely am. Even Jem fans got thrown a beautiful, if very expensive bone, with the integrity dolls line.

Hasbro ought to pay homage  to All past gen fans. Not just their first ones.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: Carrehz on April 09, 2017, 10:22:34 AM
Not really, no. I'd rather they do something new instead of screwing about with G1.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: mlly on April 09, 2017, 10:49:58 AM
Not really, no. I'd rather they do something new instead of screwing about with G1.

Well, like Transformers, throwbacks to older Gens can still coexist alongside with new stuff.

I still don't see why Hasbro isn't doing this with MLP.

Even the less popular franchise GI Joe gets stuff for its various iterations especially the first one.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: banditpony on April 09, 2017, 10:59:19 AM
No.

I want G1 left alone-- besides random merchandise. I don't think a remake of the movie/cartoon would go over well. Everyone would pick it apart and complain because it wouldn't be done in a way they personally want.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on April 09, 2017, 11:12:40 AM
No.

I want G1 left alone-- besides random merchandise. I don't think a remake of the movie/cartoon would go over well. Everyone would pick it apart and complain because it wouldn't be done in a way they personally want.


I am starting to get to this point as well.  I like the retro toys like the tiny Firefly and Glory but I don't think I would ever be satisfied with what Hasbro WOULD produce.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: Sunset on April 09, 2017, 11:27:52 AM
What I'd really like right now is the first two specials released in their original uncut versions.  I wish they would at least put forward that much effort.  I can watch RAMC on vhs and that's great for a real nostalgia kick but I worry that one day it will get damaged.

I'd love the idea of a redone RAMC as a full length feature that fills in all the gaps and adds more songs.  But sadly I don't think there's enough people at Hasbro who would be interested in doing it right.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: ponycake on April 09, 2017, 11:29:44 AM
I think I'd personally only like something if they stuck with the 80s super colorful rainbow packed stuff where everything is just pretty and 'girly,' I feel like things now are like... edgier?? Toned down on the super girly cuteness, quirky looking characters that aren't perfect looking.

Kind of like how they redid Starlite as a wonky kinda horse. So weird. lol.

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I'll take whatever for toys/merch though.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: Sunset on April 09, 2017, 11:36:41 AM
I think I'd personally only like something if they stuck with the 80s super colorful rainbow packed stuff where everything is just pretty and 'girly,' I feel like things now are like... edgier?? Toned down on the super girly cuteness, quirky looking characters that aren't perfect looking.

Kind of like how they redid Starlite as a wonky kinda horse. So weird. lol.

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I'll take whatever for toys/merch though.
Eeeyysh!  That's the first time I've seen that.  Oh, Starlight what did they do to you!

Well, at least he's still colorful.  I really bemoan the fact that G4 makes 95% of the males ponies in tones of grey/brown yucky colors.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: invaderhorizongreen on April 09, 2017, 11:45:04 AM
Under that spoiler I went WTF? Were you trying to make him look like Mr.Horse from ren and stimpy?  :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: ponycake on April 09, 2017, 11:48:31 AM
Under that spoiler I went WTF? Were you trying to make him look like Mr.Horse from ren and stimpy?  :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Ikr! :lol:
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: Al-1701 on April 09, 2017, 12:22:06 PM
Don't remind me of that.

"Edgier" isn't so bad when done well.  Executing the concept with some more depth and better stakes can breathe new life into it.  What they did to Rainbow Brite was just idiotic (and hard on the eyes).
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on April 09, 2017, 12:26:14 PM
No.

I want G1 left alone-- besides random merchandise. I don't think a remake of the movie/cartoon would go over well. Everyone would pick it apart and complain because it wouldn't be done in a way they personally want.

Yeah, there's that too.  I think we'd see a bunch of threads about how Wind Whistler or Buttons or whoever is RUINED FOREVER because they were changed in a reboot.  But you can't expect characters to stay exactly the same in personality, sound of voice, or appearance when something reboots.  Just look at all the versions of Starscream.  He looks completely different from G1 to Transformers Armada to Transformers Prime.  And the Armada version isn't even a backstabber, which is usually the main trait people associate with him.

In a lot of ways I do consider G4 to be a defacto reboot of G1.  All of the ponies were originally based on G1 ponies, even if Applejack was the only one who squeaked through design-wise.  Spike is there.  It's a fantasy world full of dragons, etc. A lot of the locations were based off G1 playsets;  Cloudsdale was inspired by the G1 Waterfall, for example.  And Megan is absent, which makes it the perfect reboot for me, lol.

That Starlite's chin reminds me of Gaston.  I will say, though, that I think the designs there are much better than the previous reboot.  The one where Rainbow Brite looked uncomfortably like a Barbie doll and the horses had weeeeird proportions.

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Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: Wardah on April 09, 2017, 01:31:04 PM
I wish Hasbro would license G1 MLP to Funko. The Action Vinyls Loyal Subjects has on the way are great but I'd also like to see something similar to the G4 vinyls with art accurate proportions.

As for Rainbow Brite I actually really liked what I saw of the newest reboot but was disappointed in the total lack of merch. Especially since I felt they did a really good job of giving the brand modern sensibilities to appeal to kids today but without making it unrecognizable. What I would have given for cute little dolls of all of them.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: Carrehz on April 09, 2017, 01:53:21 PM
No.

I want G1 left alone-- besides random merchandise. I don't think a remake of the movie/cartoon would go over well. Everyone would pick it apart and complain because it wouldn't be done in a way they personally want.


I am starting to get to this point as well.  I like the retro toys like the tiny Firefly and Glory but I don't think I would ever be satisfied with what Hasbro WOULD produce.

You two worded it much better than I did :P this is what I'm thinking, too. The odd retro merch here and there is nice but I think it'd be best to just leave it there, honestly.

What I'd really like right now is the first two specials released in their original uncut versions.  I wish they would at least put forward that much effort.  I can watch RAMC on vhs and that's great for a real nostalgia kick but I worry that one day it will get damaged.

Honestly, at this point I'm wondering if they even have copies of the uncut specials any more. I mean, it's been years, they've been released on DVD a few times now and there's obviously interest in them (every time they get released on DVD I see people going "is they the uncut versions?"), you'd think if they DID have them they would have released them by now :( But that's just speculation on my part, I guess.

I think I'd personally only like something if they stuck with the 80s super colorful rainbow packed stuff where everything is just pretty and 'girly,' I feel like things now are like... edgier?? Toned down on the super girly cuteness, quirky looking characters that aren't perfect looking.

Kind of like how they redid Starlite as a wonky kinda horse. So weird. lol.

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:shocked: WHAT the heck is that thing?!? I clicked on the spoiler and instantly regretted it. :yikes::yikes::yikes:
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: mlly on April 09, 2017, 01:56:50 PM
No.

I want G1 left alone-- besides random merchandise. I don't think a remake of the movie/cartoon would go over well. Everyone would pick it apart and complain because it wouldn't be done in a way they personally want.

Yeah, there's that too.  I think we'd see a bunch of threads about how Wind Whistler or Buttons or whoever is RUINED FOREVER because they were changed in a reboot.  But you can't expect characters to stay exactly the same in personality, sound of voice, or appearance when something reboots.  Just look at all the versions of Starscream.  He looks completely different from G1 to Transformers Armada to Transformers Prime.  And the Armada version isn't even a backstabber, which is usually the main trait people associate with him.

In a lot of ways I do consider G4 to be a defacto reboot of G1.  All of the ponies were originally based on G1 ponies, even if Applejack was the only one who squeaked through design-wise.  Spike is there.  It's a fantasy world full of dragons, etc. A lot of the locations were based off G1 playsets;  Cloudsdale was inspired by the G1 Waterfall, for example.  And Megan is absent, which makes it the perfect reboot for me, lol.

That Starlite's chin reminds me of Gaston.  I will say, though, that I think the designs there are much better than the previous reboot.  The one where Rainbow Brite looked uncomfortably like a Barbie doll and the horses had weeeeird proportions.

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I'd take those horses over that...John K-esque abomination...

Re: the 'RUINED FOREVER' thing, not really a problem for me. Even if a new iteration of old Gen thing does not end up to my liking its still better than Hasbro acting like the previous generations never even existed. At least it's SOMETHING...(Case in point: The Loyal Subjects vinyls. Not really a fan but I still think it's good they're making them) And like Transformers, it's not like Hasbro ever forgot about the old G1 versions of Optimus, Bumblebee etc., when they made new ones. Even today toys and merchandise of G1 versions of Transformers characters are still being made and Hasbro still makes the effort to release new/updated toys of lesser known G1 characters..

Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: Ponyfan on April 09, 2017, 03:51:45 PM
I think Hasbro must have lost or destroyed the uncut versions of the specials at some point.

Ponyfan
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: Koudoawaia on April 09, 2017, 04:02:15 PM
Edit: Referring to that spoilered image on page 1 of this topic.

D: Starlite went from looking beautiful and majestic to an ugly nag with that humped nose. Rainbow Brite looks cute at least but poor Starlite. x.x
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: Al-1701 on April 09, 2017, 04:23:53 PM
I think Hasbro must have lost or destroyed the uncut versions of the specials at some point.

Ponyfan
They could do what BBC has done with destroyed episodes of Doctor Who, ask fans and television stations for their copies of the specials.  There are some high quality copies floating around out there.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on April 09, 2017, 07:11:47 PM
Hasbro wouldn't have had the specials to destroy "back in the day".  The people who bought the rights to Sunbow's work would have had them.  I can't remember if Sunbow had anything to do with producing the specials or not, but I do know that the specials were included in "MLP & Friends", which is where the versions with the songs cut out come from.  A couple years ago, Hasbro finally bought the rights to the Sunbow library off the previous holder.

Hmm . . . If RaMC and EfC weren't by Sunbow, then maybe Hasbro only has the rights to the incomplete MLP & Friends versions?

I dunno.

Personally my guess is that Hasbro doesn't actually know that there's a song missing in the MLP & Friends version.  Someone should ask the reps at the next MLP Fair.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: dragonfly on April 09, 2017, 09:07:09 PM
Reboots? Nah. They'd probably mess it up somehow and I would be disappointed or dissatisfied. The current generation is enoigh of a reboot to keep me happy that MLP is alive and well! I would love to see some original animation that hadn't been released before. Even though those cartoons always had extra legs and stuff like that I thought it was funny even when they were new.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: Al-1701 on April 10, 2017, 02:19:42 AM
Sunbow and Marvel did all of the MLP media in the 80's.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: sd_dreamcrystal on April 10, 2017, 05:52:16 AM
I believe Hasbro would mess up when it comes to remaking something G1. Then you'd have G1 fans groaning because they goofed on something, then you'd have G4 followers groaning because it's not G4.

I see some here saying G4 is somewhat of a reboot of G1, which I do think at least the first 2 seasons were.. after that I started cringing. I really don't care for the G4 characters any more and the fact I haven't watched the show since season.. uh... well I have seen a few episodes here and there between S3 and S5 but I really stopped mid-S4 and only watched the ending episodes.

I think though, some companies doing license figures is enough though :D
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: Carrehz on April 10, 2017, 08:07:23 AM
Hasbro wouldn't have had the specials to destroy "back in the day".  The people who bought the rights to Sunbow's work would have had them.  I can't remember if Sunbow had anything to do with producing the specials or not, but I do know that the specials were included in "MLP & Friends", which is where the versions with the songs cut out come from.  A couple years ago, Hasbro finally bought the rights to the Sunbow library off the previous holder.

Hmm . . . If RaMC and EfC weren't by Sunbow, then maybe Hasbro only has the rights to the incomplete MLP & Friends versions?

I dunno.

Personally my guess is that Hasbro doesn't actually know that there's a song missing in the MLP & Friends version.  Someone should ask the reps at the next MLP Fair.

Hmmm, that's a good point, about it possibly being a rights issue. It certainly wouldn't be the first time that's happened with an 80s/90s cartoon.. it'd be great if someone could ask about it! They prolly wouldn't know anything about it (I wouldn't at all be surprised if it did turn out that they have no idea there's multiple versions of the specials, lol), but it'd be worth a go.

(Could it be possible that Sunbow, or someone else other than Hasbro, destroyed/lost the uncut versions at some point before Hasbro got the rights to the series?)

Speaking of the edited versions of the cartoons, I'd love to know what happened to the uncut ver of "The Glass Princess", or why it was even censored in the first place..

I think Hasbro must have lost or destroyed the uncut versions of the specials at some point.

Ponyfan
They could do what BBC has done with destroyed episodes of Doctor Who, ask fans and television stations for their copies of the specials.  There are some high quality copies floating around out there.

Oh, certainly they could do that, but do you really think they would? :P This IS Hasbro we're talking about, after all.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: Taffeta on April 10, 2017, 08:30:30 AM
No.

I want G1 left alone-- besides random merchandise. I don't think a remake of the movie/cartoon would go over well. Everyone would pick it apart and complain because it wouldn't be done in a way they personally want.


Agree. After the Jem movie, my immediate response to this is PLEASEGODNOOO.

Ahem.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: invinible on April 10, 2017, 09:13:02 AM
Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4jPBKVShFg is the cut song to The Glass Princess.  Don't know where the animation to it is.

And I feel they should have kept that song in as it adds context to the story and is my of the few times where it is believable that they were singing at the time.

While I also feel that Here's to Power should have been the song cut as it doesn't add any context to its episode arc and is a unnecessary jarring cutaway from the main action.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: Joan2Luna on April 10, 2017, 09:21:41 AM
Why do I have a feeling that I have seen the uncut versions of these?
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: LadyMoondancer on April 10, 2017, 10:23:45 AM
Yeah, I am mystified by why the song was cut.  It is not on the Golden Books VHS of "The Glass Princess" either.  But I am certain it must have been on TV at some point, because I first heard it on Kim Shriner's site as the "song of the week" and she ripped the songs from her home-recorded VHS tapes.  She said the song played during a scene where the bushwoolies and ponies wove the fake cloak.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: RainbowQuartz on April 10, 2017, 11:37:26 AM
I probably wouldn't buy any of it if they DID do anniversary merch etc. because they would probably end up like the older g1 anniversary ponies they made. I hate those. I don't mind if they every do it, though, since I absolutely abhor FiM and still don't feel like it "ruins" G1 for me, since it isn't G1. I don't even consider it MLP the way G1 is MLP for me.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: dragonfly on April 10, 2017, 12:13:25 PM
I remember this song. One of my favorite episodes. I didn't realize it was cut.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: Carrehz on April 13, 2017, 02:25:21 PM
I'm just glad *some* of the "Hurry" sequence still exists - I think the copy on YouTube atm is the same one that was on Dream Valley back in the day? From what I've heard it ran on TV once and then got cut after that? Either that or it got cut when the show moved to the Disney Channel, one of those. It's just so weird that it'd be cut in the first place o_O I wish we had the animation for it.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: Al-1701 on April 13, 2017, 03:12:54 PM
Hurry has always baffled me.

I've recently seen some sign of hope in bringing back something classic in the new Power Rangers and Smurfs movies.  I enjoyed both of them as homages to their inspiration.  Bringing back the spirit of something while making it relevant to the modern audience can be done.  It has been done.
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: gabumon on April 13, 2017, 03:28:11 PM
I have to agree.  Especially since Transformers fans get plenty of retro toys, merchandise, and even printed media through IDW.  All we've gotten recently is some DVD collections (which I love).  I feel like the glare of Friendship is Magic's cultural phenomenon has blinded them to the fact this is a franchise with 35 years of history to celebrate.

exactly.

Would love to see some G1 Annv MLP toys.  That shrimpy Book Firefly doesn't count!
Title: Re: Does it bum you out that we don't get anniversary movies or g1 reboots?
Post by: VanillaBean on April 14, 2017, 03:32:25 PM
I feel torn over this.
I adore the G1 characters far more than I ever did the Mane Six, but looking at that abysmal Jem movie reboot makes me feel relieved that Hasbro are leaving retro MLP alone for the most part.
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