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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: Shabi on March 28, 2017, 04:24:38 AM
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So I've been talking a lot to little girls who collect G4 MLP in Russia and I've heard about some weird restoration ideas from them. I'd like to know if it's safe both for humans and ponies.
First method was to clean a pony with a toothpaste that has whitening effect. It only works on yellowing and maybe small dirt. I've tried this on my bait g4 blindbags and it works magic! Can I do this on ponies from other generations? Does it work on them?
The second method was a mix of bleach and vinegar. I'm pretty sure it's VERY poisonous to touch, breath and be generally exposed to. That's why they all wore some sort of masks and gloves. One girl cleaned a Rainbow Dash with terrible sharpie marks. It looked even better than out of box when she finished. She said it removes paint so be careful. How safe is this method for ponies? Since it's obviously very dangerous for people I bet it can damage ponies as well. I can't try it on bait g1s since I've yet to see one in my city.
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I've used toothpaste before on ponies and haven't had too many issues so far but please avoid the second method like the plague. Bleach and ponies do not mix and in my opinion should never exist in the same space.
Also keep in mind what works on G4s and does not seem to do damage still might not be the best thing to use on G1s. There's no telling what long term effects it might have on G4s, let alone ponies who's plastic is not only a different material but is also 30+ years old.
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I've used toothpaste before on ponies and haven't had too many issues so far but please avoid the second method like the plague.
This! I think toothpaste is fine to use as a gentle abrasive but some types might contain peroxide, which I would avoid.
I like to use toothpaste to clean grubby hair sometimes.
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Yes! It's great for cleaning up things like tail rust and sometimes rust on BBEs.
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Toothpaste is good for cleaning a lot of things!
I think the scariest combination I heard of was someone mixing pure acetone with bleach...... don't do it!!!!!
Love pkw xxx
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Tooth paste works great! I've mostly used it for their inside if they had rust but tried it on the outside of a few very dirty G1's that weren't getting clean from dish soap and it worked great.
I would not try bleach. Personally I don't even have bleach in my house, I don't use it for cleaning anything.
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I've tried toothpaste on common baity g4s so I guess I'll have to wait and see what happens. I'll use the other method too and report if there would be any damage to the pony. I have an almost hairless g4 Rarity who's covered in unknown pink and grey dirt. I don't think she'll be missed if something happens to her. (Poor baby will become a custom anyway). I won't be using that method on rare ponies! So don't worry.
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Keep in mind that even if a method works and doesn't appear to cause damage, does NOT make it safe to use.
A cream called Removezit was considered a safe way to remove marks for *years* before the damage began to appear; ponies began to turn white or yellow on the spots where it was used, no matter how often and carefully they were cleaned afterward. It was used on many common, and even rare G1s, like the alt Birthflower pony I had who had white on half her face and her shoulder... personally, I wouldnt use any toothpaste with a whitening agent in it due to this kind of thing.
Remember, some chemicals never stop working, and could continue to work even through paint (like on a custom). Depending on the kind of stuff you mix, you could poison yourself, too, so be careful! You could melt the pony, too.
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WHY WOULD YOU MIX BLEACH AND VINEGAR?! I'm sorry, but have these girls passed a grade ten science course? Bleach, known as sodium hypochlorite and vinegar, acetic acid, made of carbon,hydrogen and oxygen. The form a reaction that kicks the chlorine out of the compound, releasing harmful chlorine gas. You Should never breathe pure chlorine gas. A few puffs and your dead. Please, next time you see these girls, try to get them to stop. Chlorine is a halogen. A very, very reactive little element on the periodic table, hence why you can never find pure chlorine on earth. It makes violent and explosive reactions on its own.
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Well! Mewtofan, I had no idea you were so knowledgeable.
I do know that mixing any base and any acid causes exciting things to happen, and those girls and you should not be doing any such things! The classic is bleach and ammonia that creates cyanide gas and kills people. I don't know the reaction but I do know mixing bleach with acids is BAD.
I played around with bleach on ponies too before being cautioned and I don't know if you have a product called "oxy clean" in Russia but it works great and everyone seems to agree it's safe. It's mostly borax but has some other secret ingredients too.
Best thing on tough to clean ponies is cleanser...unbleached, uncolored cleanser like good old fashioned Bon Ami (also not sure if you have such a brand there). It's mild and finely abrasive and can scrub through whatever is caked on them just fine, using a toothbrush or your finger. There is also a fine abrasive solid called Magic Eraser for ground-in dirt like on the ears, again you might not have it available there and I didn't try it personally...
For rust, use undiluted laundry detergent. Good and strong enough to de-rust BBE eyes as well as tails, just give the rusty parts a good soak and go at it with a toothbrush.
If you'd like more specific instructions please ask and many will give their recipes and methods but there's no need to be getting killed with mad scientist bleach formulas. I know, it's tempting and I screwed around with them too but the most important thing here is that other things work better anyway so there is really nothing to be gained.
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WHY WOULD YOU MIX BLEACH AND VINEGAR?! I'm sorry, but have these girls passed a grade ten science course? Bleach, known as sodium hypochlorite and vinegar, acetic acid, made of carbon,hydrogen and oxygen. The form a reaction that kicks the chlorine out of the compound, releasing harmful chlorine gas. You Should never breathe pure chlorine gas. A few puffs and your dead. Please, next time you see these girls, try to get them to stop. Chlorine is a halogen. A very, very reactive little element on the periodic table, hence why you can never find pure chlorine on earth. It makes violent and explosive reactions on its own.
That's scary! :crazy:
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Oh and I wanted to thank you for the great answer you gave to my question about the Russian translations. I haven't remembered what thread that was to go back there and say thanks so, Thanks!
Post Merge: March 28, 2017, 10:31:59 PM
WHY WOULD YOU MIX BLEACH AND VINEGAR?! I'm sorry, but have these girls passed a grade ten science course? Bleach, known as sodium hypochlorite and vinegar, acetic acid, made of carbon,hydrogen and oxygen. The form a reaction that kicks the chlorine out of the compound, releasing harmful chlorine gas. You Should never breathe pure chlorine gas. A few puffs and your dead. Please, next time you see these girls, try to get them to stop. Chlorine is a halogen. A very, very reactive little element on the periodic table, hence why you can never find pure chlorine on earth. It makes violent and explosive reactions on its own.
That's scary! :crazy:
Wait a minute, she said "Halo" so it must be fun :drunk:
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Well! Mewtofan, I had no idea you were so knowledgeable.
I do know that mixing any base and any acid causes exciting things to happen, and those girls and you should not be doing any such things! The classic is bleach and ammonia that creates cyanide gas and kills people. I don't know the reaction but I do know mixing bleach with acids is BAD.
Well, I didn't know the answer, so I googled it. After reading enough articles, that was my colclusion. And I just love the periodic table, so I happen to remember a ton of stuff from it. If any of y'all are interested, go to asap science and find the periodic table song. Seriously. That song saved my butt on so many tests. And yes, I do agree that they shouldn't be mixing those together.
However, there are some base and acid reactions they can, and I encourage them to observe. The classic baking soda and vinegar experiment. It demonstrates what happens in their bleach and vinegar experiment, but is much safer, provided you don't put it in a small container. Unlike the first reaction, this one produces carbon dioxide gas. The gas is harmless, provided there is enough oxygen in the room. It's quite fascinating indeed. But you shouldn't put it in a small container that won't expand. Gas has a large amount of empty space between particles. These particles need room to bounce around or else the pressure builds up. And pop! This is why rockets,explosives and helium tanks also work. If they wish to do science, please make sure they do safe science. And always wear your safety goggles on your eyes!
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I'm not sure mixing terrible reactions for cleaning purposes is science...
One kinda bad well-known acid/base reaction is pouring baking soda dissolved in water on the gunk that builds up on your car battery terminals....that's recommended to clean and neutralize to prevent the gunk but, it's not a good idea when there is a lot of gunk already there because the reaction will in such cases eat away the metal as well and leave you with a badly deteriorated terminal, when you could have just scraped most of it away first.
Point being, lots of remedies are recommended and theoretically "safe", but if applied without common sense or understanding, destruction great or small can be the result especially when the reaction products include deadly gas.
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But it's still science. The chemical reaction is science. Even though it's pretty irresponsible science. Almost as bad as drunken science. That we never will speak of again...
And looking at this, I can find two, possibly three baisic lab code of conduct violations at first glance. Sorry for going all nerd on this, but I am concerned. A lack of regard for safety, a lack of proper equipment and knowledge, in addition to possibly doing these reactions without a partner or supervision. You never science alone! Never! A partner, in addition to also observing the magic of learning, can help when things in the lab get ugly. Glassware breaks, spills happen. Heck, you could simply faint in the middle of it all. And a lab partner is going to help you to keep it running smoothly and safer. Remember, safety is number one priority!
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Shabi, I hope you can persuade those girls to stop using that mixture. They can die. If you can't make them stop, I hope you know where their ponies are kept just in case :devious:
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no bleach for ponies!
PS no random cleaner mixtures either.
there's lots of safe and proven ways to clean ponies described here in this forum
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I'm sorry, but have these girls passed a grade ten science course?
Most of them barely fourteen, so... But I know about that. I've worked with chemicals before, I'll be careful.
Remember, some chemicals never stop working, and could continue to work even through paint (like on a custom). Depending on the kind of stuff you mix, you could poison yourself, too, so be careful! You could melt the pony, too.
That's why I never use chemicals on rare ponies. I need to make that Rarity white for a custom. And wear a gas mask probably ;)
I don't know if you have a product called "oxy clean" in Russia
We have something else but it's basically the same thing - Vanish. It didn't work at all. It just made the hair frizzy.
There is also a fine abrasive solid called Magic Eraser for ground-in dirt like on the ears, again you might not have it available there and I didn't try it personally...
I've ordered it online. It works magic! Just not for sharpie marks... I've tried sunfading and peroxide soaks. It didn't work either. I'm sooo gonna buy an UV lamp. I don't have sun in my room at all!
Oh and I wanted to thank you for the great answer you gave to my question about the Russian translations. I haven't remembered what thread that was to go back there and say thanks so, Thanks!
You're welcome :)
Shabi, I hope you can persuade those girls to stop using that mixture. They can die.
I told them about that. They said "it smelled very bad but no harm was done". Sadly I don't know their parents or neither I am an authority for them.
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I'm glad you told them it was dangerous.
Even though none of us have authority over them I'm glad you posted this and and I'm glad the MLP community is able to get this type of information and warnings out about hazardous chemicals - at least for the sake of other new-to-restoration people. Thanks for being open to this information.
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Using chemicals is never worth it even on a common pony. It's not even about the long-term negative effects it could have on a pony anymore. As others have said you're risking your health and even your life depending on what kinds of concoctions you try. This whole thread has turned scary, fast. Especially in regards to those girls. They clearly had no idea what they were doing. :(
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:happy: how bout dynamite. Makes the most difficult pony problems go away instantly!
Sorry. Just trying to lighten it up a bit.
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:happy: how bout dynamite. Makes the most difficult pony problems go away instantly!
Sorry. Just trying to lighten it up a bit.
Oh!idea! What if hasbro made a demolition pony with dynamite for a cutie mark?
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Could put it right next to bug-spray Apple Bloom, assuming she doesn't run away.
Post Merge: March 29, 2017, 10:47:46 PM
But more on topic, I have a couple of weird restoration methods byself: boiling for hours and soaking in peroxide in the sun.
Boiling works great on pony cancer but, it comes back in about a year and have not checked to see if it can be boiled away again, and since boiling yellows white ponies (and ruins all sorts of colored ponies) I combine it with peroxide soaks which work great in just a few days but you have to mask the hair and symbols or they get discolored and long-terms effects of peroxide soak have yet to be determined. Boiling for more than two hours seems to accomplish nothing but depleting the plasticizer and making the pony hard, by the way.
Poor pose can also be corrected with boiling water by dunking in boiling water briefly then filling the pony with boiling water then letting it cool with crumpled paper etc holding the pony in its pose. Seems to work perfectly every time so far for me.
Also boiling water can be used to soften Twinkle Eye ponies enough to pull their eyes out and put better gems in, and colored zirconia and topaz and other colored gems are pretty cheap on eBay. This is one of my favorites!
Not as cool as death by gas but still pretty weird.
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It got me thinking. Is there a way to restore plastic stress marks? I have no idea how to paint them. I've seen someone restore a part of pony's body and the result had absolutely the same color as the poor pony's body! How do I even out the paint? How do I pick the same color?
I've seen people restore stress marks with hair dryer/heat gun. Or by rubbing them. Does this work on ponies?
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and theres always the good ol' MLPPreservationProject if you need help with anything else. ;)
http://www.mlppreservationproject.com/
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That's a wonderful resource provided by our very own FarDreamer and it's really really good! There are so many other really wonderful knowledgeable members here too.
How about putting ponies in the oven? Some people do it! Sometimes corrects the pose, sometimes makes a pony puddle...
Then there's defrizzing the hair using heat...so many weird things we do to ponies, some work well and some are dangerous.
For example, you can dip them in honey and stake them out next to an anthill...no wait, no one does that to ponies. (do they?)
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I know very well about TMLPPP and I'm asking because I haven't found information there. Maybe I wasn't looking good enough...
Putting ponies in the oven is a bad idea. They leak plasticizer and cooking anything in that oven will be pretty much poisonous.
Another question that came to my mind. Can we make a pony completely white? I have a bait g4 AJ and I want to make a custom, but my character is white. I don't wanna paint over her body because I want my custom to look factory made (I'm even researching UV printing for the matter) so I want to make her white. Extreme sunfading? Won't this make her pale orange? Give me ideas please! I mean I can just use a Rarity but she has different eye shape. And I won't use rare ponies for custom since I'm not crazy.
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Just wanted to add that while pure bleach is not recommended for cleaning ponies (and definitely not vinegar + bleach; yikes), a diluted bleach solution (2/3 water, 1/3 bleach, or less) should be safe for cleaning mildew and other yucky things inside ponies. I've done this for several years with no bad effects. Diluted bleach is safe and recommended for sanitizing baby toys, etc. at preschools and homes since the chlorine evaporates quickly :) (source: preschool experience and Google)
Of course, if you go that route, don't soak the pony in the bleach solution (because this has the potential to cause discoloration, even though the bleach is diluted); rather, put the bleach solution inside the pony (head and body separated) and let it rest 20 minutes or less, then scrub and thoroughly rinse out with water and clean the rest of the pony with dish soap to remove all remnants of the bleach solution. And then let the pony air dry, head separated from body, for several days.
Another question that came to my mind. Can we make a pony completely white? I have a bait g4 AJ and I want to make a custom, but my character is white. I don't wanna paint over her body because I want my custom to look factory made (I'm even researching UV printing for the matter) so I want to make her white. Extreme sunfading? Won't this make her pale orange?
Hmm, I don't know. I think that some G1 ponies of a certain color (like lavender) can fade to white over time, but as far as G4 ponies, I'm not sure. Sunfading might have an interesting effect on Applejack, but I'd imagine that like you say it would make her a different shade of orange, or possibly burn her brown. You could make a post on the customs board about your Applejack, and they might have ideas.
:happy: how bout dynamite. Makes the most difficult pony problems go away instantly!
:rofl:
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Shabi, if there is a way to turn G4 AJ white it cant possibly be worth the price of just sacrificing a Rarity and if needed chopping off the horn.
If it's not on preservationsproject, maybe it's not a good idea, haha.
You are asking the impossible...keep doing that! Good luck and be sure to let us know what you learn (even if we say it's unsafe...) and oh yeah please put me in your will just in case, haha.
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I think if I needed a white earth pony, I would sacrifice a McDonald's Dj Pon3? The molded hair *can* be removed, if needed, and putting actual hair on McD ponies cant be harder than turning an applejack white!
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:happy: how bout dynamite. Makes the most difficult pony problems go away instantly!
Sorry. Just trying to lighten it up a bit.
Oh it'll make those problems go away alright... among other things. :silly:
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I know very well about TMLPPP and I'm asking because I haven't found information there. Maybe I wasn't looking good enough...
Putting ponies in the oven is a bad idea. They leak plasticizer and cooking anything in that oven will be pretty much poisonous.
Another question that came to my mind. Can we make a pony completely white? I have a bait g4 AJ and I want to make a custom, but my character is white. I don't wanna paint over her body because I want my custom to look factory made (I'm even researching UV printing for the matter) so I want to make her white. Extreme sunfading? Won't this make her pale orange? Give me ideas please! I mean I can just use a Rarity but she has different eye shape. And I won't use rare ponies for custom since I'm not crazy.
It would be much less trouble to just find a white earth pony! Assemble her if you must. Say, G4 Rarity body sign the head of a white Pegasus of else just carefully slice off Rarity's horn and patch it with magic sculpt. I guess the non mane 6 G4s are rare, though that's not really my area of expertise.
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Pretty sure you can cut off raritys horn without leaving a hole. Seems solid.
Then you can use that horn, some wings, and some gems to make princess big mac, that's what i did with leftover pinklestia parts from someone else's chrysalis project.
Ok this was really about promoting my princess big mac custom. But i do think you can chop off raritys horn without leaving a hole in her head (not guaranteed).
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That's interesting, I know the use of chlorine dioxide gas made out of sodium chlorite + acid as a healing agent also called MMS, which works against bacteria, fungus and also viruses. I already used it on ponies to desinfect (rarely, but I sometimes feel the need), it's btw also a great way of desinfecting a fridge. It is used by mixing a few drops of sodium chlorite with salt acid, tartaric acid or such in a small pot, and when the gas begins to evaporate, put a large bowl over both the item which one wants to desinfect and the pot with the mixture. In case of a fridge, the pot with the mixture is put into the empty fridge and then the door is closed for a few hours.
Good thing about chlorine dioxide is, once it has finished working, it breaks down into water and salt and is therefore completely non-toxic. Nonetheless, the gas should not be inhaled deeply into the lungs, I can second other users here on that. For healing purposes, it usually is taken in water and only a few drops at once, with just enough acid for the activation process. The softest way of intake it to let the gas migrate into water which turns the water into CDS (Chlorine Dioxide Solution) without any excess acid at all. Just shouldn't be overdosed because it will oxidate toxins inside the body which the body will then work to get out, which again may trigger detox symptoms such as diarhhea, nausea etc. if too much is released at once. That part has nothing to do with ponies of course, but I find these things good to know, for cases of virus epidemics and the like.