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Title: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: zombie85chick on February 26, 2017, 12:34:55 AM
Hello fellow pony lovers and collectors.
I'm somewhat new to pony collecting. I started collecting in November BUT I also collected in my twenties but not quite a seriously as I do now. In my earlier days my collection was just a few.
I hope I don't sound insane but I've managed to collect a little over a hundred ponies since November. I don't know what it was, I just really enjoyed the colors and the variations. Not to mention I never knew that vintage ponies were something that were still around in such abundance. I figured any toy over the 20 year mark was in the dump or destroyed by an eager child. I was totally in love when I saw a girl post on Twitter her Rainbow Curl collection! I Googled them and bam I was hooked. I spent way too much money. So much, I'm embarrassed to admit that it's put me into a little debt.
Now,  onto my other major issue. My husband is furious. He says it sends him into a black rage when he looks at my collection. He'll quote Fight Club at me "whatever you own ends up owning you" and how they don't make me happy. They're toys, materialistic garbage and he wants them gone. And he's furious about the amount of money I've spent. I don't want to sale them. I really don't want to sale them. I have sold a few doubles I've acquired but would be heart broken to part with my collection. All I keep thinking is I could go on a spending freeze and we could save some money and maybe when it's not so much of a bad memory for him, I'll only purchase a reasonable amount and only spend a reasonable amount of money. My only issue is I don't think it will work for him. I need thoughts, advice and experiences. Please, I don't want to damage my relationship irreparably but I don't want to part with something that genuinely means something to me.
Thank you.
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Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Taxel on February 26, 2017, 01:32:51 AM
First of all, if you've gone into debt over ponies you absolutely need to stop buying immediately. You should not be going into debt for toys or any other unnecessary stuff, even if its just a little. "Just a little" can get out of hand really fast because you can keep convincing yourself its just a little bit, you can pay it off later, it'll be so easy, etc. Don't get caught in that thought process. Sometimes paying off and canceling credit cards helps people with this, sometimes people can reign it back in and be okay. Just stay aware of this and keep an eye on your spending. Its dangerously easy to overspend and get yourself into a hole you can't dig out of.

Secondly, what do you mean by black rage? Does he get violent, threaten you, take his anger out on inanimate objects? Anything like that? Or does he just get upset and yell/argue with you about it? Think about what you would do if your husband suddenly became obsessed with something to the point of going into debt and amassing hundreds of whatever in such a short period of time. Ask yourself: would you be angry and yell at him, would it upset you, would you be confused and/or frustrated, would you feel like the man you married changed, do you think it would take you time to understand, etc. Would you react similarly to how he's reacting? That might help you decide if his upset is at a reasonable level since we don't know your personalities, relationship, or how angry he's getting/exactly why he's upset.

People sometimes downplay it in collecting communities but discovering something you enjoy like this and going nuts buying lots of stuff can be confusing, upsetting, and alarming to SOs. And honestly? That's a pretty normal reaction if its a drastic change. If you never showed any real interest in toys before and suddenly bought hundreds in a few months, that's a huge change. It takes time for the other partner to adjust. When you add in the collecting partner going into debt over it, of course they're going to be upset or maybe even livid. Again, that's normal and imo pretty reasonable. If my boyfriend became obsessed with something to the point of going into debt I'd be furious with him. There are healthy ways to collect and going into debt over it is NOT one of them. But anyways, adjustment takes time. Have you tried explaining why you like the ponies or what they mean to you? Have you tried discussing potential ways to live in harmony with the ponies? Letting your SO have a real say and opinion can help a lot (i.e. deciding on a designated "pony place" for display/storage together, keeping the amount of displayed ponies at a level he can handle). One thing you need to realize is that you may need to sell some of your ponies. It sucks, yes, but you messed up. You went into debt to buy toys. That's not okay. I don't blame your husband for being angry over it. That may be the only way for him to be able to deal with it. You can buy back the ponies later; the same can't be said for a relationship.

Before you make any drastic choices, unless he is threatening, abusing, or otherwise hurting you, see a couple's therapist. Talk about it, in depth and calmly, away from the ponies. Try to work this out. Try to understand where he's coming from and why he's upset. Try to help him understand why you enjoy collecting. You screwed up overspending and you need to own up to it. He needs time to process this change and understand it. This may end up being an irreparable rift but there are ways you can try to work on things before making a choice like that.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: zombie85chick on February 26, 2017, 02:16:25 AM
I completely understand what you're saying. I'm laying in bed right now trying to think of something he could over spend on that would upset me. I'm not sure how this will come off but sometimes he can put too much into savings out of his paycheck. To a point where he can only buy groceries once or can't really help buy baby clothes. I never fly off the handle because I know I've messed up.

When I say I've gone into debt,  I mean I've narrowed a couple hundred bucks from friends and my parents have helped me pay my cell phone bill a couple of times. He's had to help too. But not because of ponies, because I've had my sister refuse to pay her half of the cell phone bill (long story).

He's never ever been physically or mentally abusive. He gets angry and doesn't want to talk or will yell a little but nothing abusive. He's just frustrated. I haven't been smart with my money and he's upset I haven't given him much money for savings. He says I've taken from our son by not saving. We have a 9 month old son.

I just want to find a middle ground. He says I don't need them and to get rid of them all. He is also convinced that I'm one of 10 people that collect and they're most likely worthless. He said there is nothing wrong with having a few and I don't need more than that. I have collected other toys. When we first got together I had a small collection of troll dolls, I got rid of them mostly because he didn't like them and felt they were taking up space.

It just feels like there is no middle ground. I messed up,  I know but they're should be a compromise...
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Artemesia's Garden on February 26, 2017, 02:18:29 AM
I agree with everything Taxel has said but I am worried about 'black rage' so do keep updating to let us know you are OK.

I built up my collection relatively quickly because I had some time to do it but I never got into debt to do it. That's not to say I've never got into debt before though! The two just didn't coincide.  I'd already learned not to get in debt before I started collecting ponies. 

I have rules about what I do and don't collect which helps to keep the buying under control.  I also have a rule about not having any very high value items in my collection because I don't have a pony room and it's just too much responsibility in my mind.  I started off with low value G1s and then built up an idea of what I wanted my collection to look like.  One mistake I made through buying too fast was not keeping a record of where each pony came from.  The feedback system on the Arena helps but I wish I had kept a record of ebay purchases and communication as well, just for nostalgia! I wish I had taken more time to enjoy building up my collection.  I currently don't have an accurate inventory which is really embarrassing!

The key thing is no-one was judging me.  Well, they were but no-one got aggressive or told me seriously that I shouldn't do it.  It's harmless, unless you get into debt or get to the point where you can't move in your house!  But I also tell people about the community, swaps and thrifting trips etc so they realise that it's a hobby that really adds something positive to your life.

If I were you I'd have a serious look at my collection and decide where you want to focus.  If you've already sold some doubles that's good because you're in the right mindset and know how to sell stuff.  I *think* that a lot of G4 would be more easily replaceable in the future.  If you want any help with deciding what to sell we could discuss it together, I'm not the most expert.  I'd be tempted to sell bulky things to make my collection look smaller!  If you have to show him your bank statements you might need to sell some of the more valuable stuff as well. 

Maybe tell him you'll not buy any more ponies until you've cleared the debt and in the meantime you will sell some items.  You might be able to sell non-pony stuff as well just to have a clear out and make some money? Then once you've cleared the debt you might do a tight budget for him and put your expendable income into a second/savings account.  You might only have to do this for a couple of months but then you can show him where the money is going.  If you earned it, it's your choice how you spend it at the end of the day but if your ponies conflict with your joint goals as a couple that's going to be hard for him... unless he gets an expensive hobby as well and you both focus on hobbies instead of more conventional life goals...

Edit
OK I've just seen your reply... it sounds as though he is what I would call 'tight'.  He doesn't enjoy 'stuff' and it sounds as though he is super cautious about money and thinks he is doing absolutely the right thing.  It also sounds as though he is judging you for having your own toys.  The first thing is tricky and I would say you definitely need couples counselling to find that middle ground.  With finances you need to be on the right page.  Is this a joint savings account he is saving to and complaining that you're not contributing? If so you should work out a monthly contribution based on your respective incomes and stick to it.  Leave yourself 'fun money' because you need a balance. He should stick to it too and not go over.  The second thing in my view he should just stop - it's ok/good to be a collector.  Lots of people do it.  Toy collecting is an OK thing to do.  He should get over it and again, couples counselling might help.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: zombie85chick on February 26, 2017, 02:30:52 AM
I agree with everything Taxel has said but I am worried about 'black rage' so do keep updating to let us know you are OK.

I built up my collection relatively quickly because I had some time to do it but I never got into debt to do it. That's not to say I've never got into debt before though! The two just didn't coincide.  I'd already learned not to get in debt before I started collecting ponies. 

I have rules about what I do and don't collect which helps to keep the buying under control.  I also have a rule about not having any very high value items in my collection because I don't have a pony room and it's just too much responsibility in my mind.  I started off with low value G1s and then built up an idea of what I wanted my collection to look like.  One mistake I made through buying too fast was not keeping a record of where each pony came from.  The feedback system on the Arena helps but I wish I had kept a record of ebay purchases and communication as well, just for nostalgia! I wish I had taken more time to enjoy building up my collection.  I currently don't have an accurate inventory which is really embarrassing!

The key thing is no-one was judging me.  Well, they were but no-one got aggressive or told me seriously that I shouldn't do it.  It's harmless, unless you get into debt or get to the point where you can't move in your house!  But I also tell people about the community, swaps and thrifting trips etc so they realise that it's a hobby that really adds something positive to your life.

If I were you I'd have a serious look at my collection and decide where you want to focus.  If you've already sold some doubles that's good because you're in the right mindset and know how to sell stuff.  I *think* that a lot of G4 would be more easily replaceable in the future.  If you want any help with deciding what to sell we could discuss it together, I'm not the most expert.  I'd be tempted to sell bulky things to make my collection look smaller!  If you have to show him your bank statements you might need to sell some of the more valuable stuff as well. 

Maybe tell him you'll not buy any more ponies until you've cleared the debt and in the meantime you will sell some items.  You might be able to sell non-pony stuff as well just to have a clear out and make some money? Then once you've cleared the debt you might do a tight budget for him and put your expendable income into a second/savings account.  You might only have to do this for a couple of months but then you can show him where the money is going.  If you earned it, it's your choice how you spend it at the end of the day but if your ponies conflict with your joint goals as a couple that's going to be hard for him... unless he gets an expensive hobby as well and you both focus on hobbies instead of more conventional life goals...

I promise he is not abusive in any way. He expresses his frustrations and may raise his voice but I never feel unsafe or belittled. He tells me he feels like I've taken advantage of him. I haven't always been honest about my spending and my debt is only a couple hundred dollars. We live with his mom and I paid my rent late too. We split our rent. He pays his half and I pay mine. He feels I'm taking from our family because I haven't saved and he's upset about that. He says that he'll never like my ponies and wants be to get rid of them all our only have a handful. I wish there was just more of a middle ground. Not all or nothing. He prides himself on being a minimalist.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: maycrestmom on February 26, 2017, 03:51:57 AM
to me, this all reads as the issue is one of money management not the toys temselves.  I would open up about the finances and budget problem together working so that he can de-stress in regards to a budget.  Write out the costs per month and show how you set aside to pay down any debt.  A nine month old is not feeling deprived if he is fed, washed and loved so the loss I would wager is more his fears that he can't provide for the family, and if his mom was bitching at him in regards to rent that makes sense.  Seriously the whole you two are currently with his parents is probably the most stressful part since I wonder how over his shoulder she is in regards to you and baby. 

If it were me, I would focus on saving up for you two to have your own space and not adding to the collection at the moment since there will always be ponies and right now the toy-memory is one connected to poor money management not recapturing happy childhood moments.

I think you've wrote that he captured the essence of the problem = lack of disclosure and poor priorities = so no more buying MLP if rent is due

I think his "never" is just his frustration speaking because if it is something you really love and can afford after reality expenses are handled, than he should have the respect that this is your collection and hobby.  It to me is mostly the broken trust issue so I would start there like I said with financial transparency and getting that debt paid off and moving forward together regarding self-care

all the best in balancing keeping a rainbow in your room with a marriage and family intact :-) I'm sure with good communication you'll do fine
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Taxel on February 26, 2017, 05:16:37 AM
I'm glad you're okay! Its always worrying when people describe anger as stuff like "black rage" but I think I kind of get what you meant now.

I think his "never" is just his frustration speaking because if it is something you really love and can afford after reality expenses are handled, than he should have the respect that this is your collection and hobby.  It to me is mostly the broken trust issue so I would start there like I said with financial transparency and getting that debt paid off and moving forward together regarding self-care

all the best in balancing keeping a rainbow in your room with a marriage and family intact :-) I'm sure with good communication you'll do fine

I agree with this quite a bit. Its definitely possible that you can find a middle ground with him and that "never"/"get rid of them all" is just from his frustration boiling over so don't throw in the towel yet. A couple's therapist or counselor could really help you here. You'll probably have to make compromises either way because of his minimalist tendencies (only have a minimal display, for example) but I wouldn't put too much stock in his desire to have them all gone just yet. Sell some of them and put the rest away in a box, closet, drawer, etc for a while if you haven't already. Leaving them out for him to see will probably just cause more frustration, stress, and fights if he has to see them all the time.

It sounds like it might help show him parts of the community once he's calmer about the whole thing. There's a documentary called "My Little Obsession" that might help him understand but you should probably watch it alone first since you'd know better than us if it could help him get it. You could even use toys as a way to make extra money if you have time/ability to scour thrift stores/yard sales/flea markets/etc for things to resell. That tends to help SOs/friends/family change their tune very fast.

Having a young child and living with parents surely doesn't help. I know how frustrating and suffocating it can be living with in-laws without a kid. I can't imagine how bad it would be with a child! He might feel like he's failing to provide for you two, for example, or maybe he's being pressured by his mom about stuff and/or is just sick of living with her. Your husband might just be dealing with too much stress and he's taking it out on the ponies since they're the straw that broke the camel's back or an easy target or something like that.

He might feel like his small amount of space is being taken over. I had a very similar issue with my boyfriend a few years ago. My pony collecting really took off when he was at school across the country so moving back in with his mom and I was kind of like a culture shock. Our bedroom was honestly a bit of a mess with displays because of how fast my collection grew. There was some frustration and annoyance having them all over the place. We never really fought but we had some disagreements and snapping at each other over it. After a little while we talked about it and I compromised by reorganizing my displays, putting some ponies away, and keeping everything neater/nicer so I wasn't just adding things on top of things. When I got new stuff I'd reorganize to fit them in better and maybe rotate what was on display. This made him feel a lot better and, surprisingly, it helped me too! I didn't even realize how much I disliked the chaos or how chaotic it had become since I was just excited to grow my collection and see my ponies. I have a lot more ponies now, and lots more on display, but they're in designated places that I keep organized as best I can. When I move stuff in the room around I ask for his opinion and keep him involved so I'm not just overpowering everything in my desire to clean up/reorganize. We haven't had any issues with the toys/displays since.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: kasin on February 26, 2017, 06:22:59 AM
Yea, I agree with Maycrestmom, the fight over the ponies is more a symptom rather than the illness.

It sounds like you and your husband are working against each other rather than with eachother.  He should not try to force you to live a minimalistic life style if that is not who you are and you should not go on a buying spree when you know it bothers him. Both of you are disrespecting eachother and in the end it's hurting your relationship and ultimately your child.

I think you two need a long conversation about your mutual goals and wants in life. Set priorities and goals together and respect that both of you will need to compromise. Marriage is a team sport, and that means alot of planning and communication. Right now it sounds like your both just doing your own thing. I'm not a fan of split finances in a marriage because in most cases it feels like there is a lack of trust or willingness to work together.  I'm also not a fan of therapists and if your thinking of professional help I wonder if a financial planner would be just as constructive? They could help you agree on mutual goals and priorities while also offering professional experience. Fighting is a normal part of marriage, it can be healthy if it gets you both talking and working together, but that's the hard part! Getting both of you to listen and compromise when your both mad and on the defensive.

Good luck! I'm sorry your having troubles right now and hopefully you can sort them out without too much pain.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Taxel on February 26, 2017, 06:59:00 AM
I'm also not a fan of therapists and if your thinking of professional help I wonder if a financial planner would be just as constructive? They could help you agree on mutual goals and priorities while also offering professional experience.

There's nothing wrong with therapists and its okay to need their help. If you (and your partner/family/whatever for multi-people-therapy) are willing it can make a world of difference. If any parties are not it may not help. Therapy is not one-size-fits-all and you may need to "shop around" to find one that works best for you.

A couple's therapist or counselor would be there to help you two work together as a team better, communicate, and come back to common ground. They're like a neutral party that's able to help you get better at working through things and offer qualified advice more tailored to your situation. A financial planner may help but they will not serve the same function at all. A financial planner cannot help you communicate more effectively and its not their job to act as a neutral place to work things out the way a therapist or counselor does. If you can't communicate effectively and aren't on the same page a financial planner will not be able to help you.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: kasin on February 26, 2017, 07:59:23 AM
I'm also not a fan of therapists and if your thinking of professional help I wonder if a financial planner would be just as constructive? They could help you agree on mutual goals and priorities while also offering professional experience.

There's nothing wrong with therapists and its okay to need their help. If you (and your partner/family/whatever for multi-people-therapy) are willing it can make a world of difference. If any parties are not it may not help. Therapy is not one-size-fits-all and you may need to "shop around" to find one that works best for you.

A couple's therapist or counselor would be there to help you two work together as a team better, communicate, and come back to common ground. They're like a neutral party that's able to help you get better at working through things and offer qualified advice more tailored to your situation. A financial planner may help but they will not serve the same function at all. A financial planner cannot help you communicate more effectively and its not their job to act as a neutral place to work things out the way a therapist or counselor does. If you can't communicate effectively and aren't on the same page a financial planner will not be able to help you.

Not trying to judge or downplay, but it's just not what I'd recommend. I feel like if you can work things out yourself it's better, but that is just my opinion.

Fighting is a normal part of a relationship. Sometimes it's needed to work out problems so no one feels marginalized or like their needs are being ignored. I feel that suggesting therapy is escalating the situation and should not be done unless that's the intent or it could be counter productive. I suggest financial planning as a alternative because her husband is already sensitive to finances and very likely would think of the costs of therapy first, where a financial planner would show she is paying attention to what's important to him. That might be enough, having a professional help them prioritize finances may be all they need and would not put her husband on the defensive. Can always try therapy after that if it did not help.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Purpleglasses on February 26, 2017, 11:35:47 AM
I'm also not a fan of therapists and if your thinking of professional help I wonder if a financial planner would be just as constructive? They could help you agree on mutual goals and priorities while also offering professional experience.

There's nothing wrong with therapists and its okay to need their help. If you (and your partner/family/whatever for multi-people-therapy) are willing it can make a world of difference. If any parties are not it may not help. Therapy is not one-size-fits-all and you may need to "shop around" to find one that works best for you.

A couple's therapist or counselor would be there to help you two work together as a team better, communicate, and come back to common ground. They're like a neutral party that's able to help you get better at working through things and offer qualified advice more tailored to your situation. A financial planner may help but they will not serve the same function at all. A financial planner cannot help you communicate more effectively and its not their job to act as a neutral place to work things out the way a therapist or counselor does. If you can't communicate effectively and aren't on the same page a financial planner will not be able to help you.

Not trying to judge or downplay, but it's just not what I'd recommend. I feel like if you can work things out yourself it's better, but that is just my opinion.

Fighting is a normal part of a relationship. Sometimes it's needed to work out problems so no one feels marginalized or like their needs are being ignored. I feel that suggesting therapy is escalating the situation and should not be done unless that's the intent or it could be counter productive. I suggest financial planning as a alternative because her husband is already sensitive to finances and very likely would think of the costs of therapy first, where a financial planner would show she is paying attention to what's important to him. That might be enough, having a professional help them prioritize finances may be all they need and would not put her husband on the defensive. Can always try therapy after that if it did not help.

I disagree. There are plenty of options for finding very low cost therapy, and it isn't escalating the situation at all - it's just healthy. Think of therapy like going to the gym for your mental health or your relationship - even if you don't have any problems right now, exercise is healthy! You learn to communicate about the real underlying problem better, you understand yourself and your partner more. They could see a financial planner too, but this really seems like a communication issue. Therapy could help them talk out why she felt like keeping her collecting secret and help them be more open about financial choices and other things.

OP messed up financially, but as long as she fixes the money issue and doesn't go into debt for toys again, it's not right for her husband to ask her to not enjoy things that make her happy just because they bother him. You are partners in a relationship, but maintaining a sense of individuality and being your own person is also important. If she can enjoy ponies in a financially responsible way, she should.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: LadyMoondancer on February 26, 2017, 12:51:50 PM
Sounds to me like there are three issues:

- Lack of communication / trust.  You weren't honest about your spending, now he feels betrayed and upset. 

- Minimalist vs collector.  This isn't a right vs wrong issue, it just comes down to different personalities / preferences.  He needs to respect that collecting makes you happy and isn't bad (if done in moderation / control).  But you have to respect that he may only be able to relax / enjoy himself in uncluttered spaces.  It's important that both of you be happy, so you (both) may have to compromise.  Like having ponies only in a "pony room", or in a cabinet that can be shut to keep them out of view at times.   I wouldn't show him "My Little Obsession".  Seeing a bunch of collectors with tons of ponies is just going to freak him out even more and convince him that ponies are a never-ending money pit.

- Financial issues.  You should never go into debt for ponies, not even a little.  And to be honest, I'd be pretty upset too if I were contributing to a savings account every month while my partner went into debt over a hobby. Are you still in debt?  (Including "casual" ones like borrowing money from family/friends, not just credit cards.)  If so, IMO you should sell stuff, including ponies if necessary until you can get out of debt.  It's really not a big deal to sell off ponies.  You can buy them back later, and it will show your husband that you control your collection, it doesn't control you.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: lunar_scythe on February 26, 2017, 02:02:29 PM
Ok, Im going to point something out that it seems no one else has mentioned:

If he is putting so much into savings that it is effecting whether or not you can afford groceries, a financial counselor is something to seriously think about. Saving money is a good idea, but saving money for later at the expense of things you *need* is concerning. 

I would suggest you both sit down and decide on a set amount of money to put into savings, and a set amount of money for each of you to use for 'fun money' or non essentials (this would be movie or concert tickets, junk food, alcohol if you drink, your ponies, etc.)

Lieing about spending money is never good, but you also shouldn't have to ask permission to make a small purchase; the two of you need to find a balance.  Ideally, your money would be shared evenly between you; I don't mean you pay your half the rent and he pays his, I mean together, the two of you could pay your rent out of a join account you both put money into for the basics: rent, food, phone bills, etc.

I completely understand wanting to keep at least some money seperate, but it seems almost like the two of you are room mates instead of spouses.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Delphian on February 26, 2017, 02:14:19 PM
There's been some great advice in this thread! I hope you really consider all of it.


I'm laying in bed right now trying to think of something he could over spend on that would upset me. I'm not sure how this will come off but sometimes he can put too much into savings out of his paycheck. To a point where he can only buy groceries once or can't really help buy baby clothes.
This really bothers me. He's so frugal that he'll just refuse to spend money on groceries or baby clothes if he feels he hasn't saved enough? That's a pretty big red flag if that's actually happening. Honestly it sounds like both of you have problems with money. You just both swing in wildly different ways of viewing money.

Even though he's not abusive, he sounds controlling in a passive aggressive kind of way. He guilt tripped you into selling your other collection because it was unsightly to him... That's another big red flag to me.

I'm not trying to excuse you from blame though. You did mess up and you recognize that so that's good. You need to stop downplaying what you did too. A few hundred dollars isn't a "little bit of debt" for most people. That's a lot! Especially with a baby to consider. And borrowing from friends and family is something you should only consider doing in an emergency for like, an unexpected hospital bill. A collection of any kind is not something you should ever borrow money for.

I have to agree with the people saying you should get therapy with him. It sounds like there are deeper issues at work here.

In the short term though, you need to get out of debt. Pick your top 10 faves and sell the rest. You can always buy them back at a later date when your spending is under control. My husband and I both collect toys and our purchases just come out of our monthly "fun money" fund. We have a set amount each month for fun stuff like movies, dining out, games, toys, etc. You can always do the old money in an envelope trick if you find it too hard to keep a mental tally. All you do is make a withdrawl for however much fun money you get that month. Stick it in an envelope and only use the money in that envelope to pay for things. When you run out before the end of the month, that's it. No more spending. But if you manage to save some, you can roll it over into next month! It's a nice way to really see your spending in action and makes you think about where your money is going.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: northstar3184 on February 26, 2017, 02:44:18 PM
I deleted my response. It seems I missed some important details and will reread before reposting.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Loa on February 26, 2017, 03:01:40 PM
I think there is some amazing advice here, and my only additional comment is that the two of you need to talk.
It sounds like you are on different financial spectrum and that is not a good thing!
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Shatyr on February 26, 2017, 03:06:51 PM
He guilt tripped you into selling your other collection because it was unsightly to him...

I'm glad I'm not the only person who noticed that.

I think it would be good for the two of you to sit down and have a long conversation about what your collection means to you and why it's important to you to have it. If someone told me that I could not have my collection because it bothered them, I would start to wonder if something else was going on. Did they mean having it in the living room bothered them? The bedroom? scattered throughout the house? Or does the thought of large numbers of colorful plastic ponies existing anywhere in the house evoke a gut denial? Minimalist tendencies or lifestyles does not mean no collections. It means smaller, more constrained, and possibly out of regular sight.

Now, the finances thing is another matter. You should never, ever go into debt for a hobby. I agree that you should scale back, pick maybe 10 to keep for now and sell the others. Pay back what you owe to friends and family, possibly mention that you'd love to get vintage ponies for birthday/holiday presents, and set a monthly spending budget.

I'll echo what I've read in other responses. A couples therapist sounds like a great idea. A financial advisor might be someone to turn to after/during that. And an honest talk about financial expectations and making sure both of you are providing for the Now in addition to the Future sounds like a very good idea.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: ponycake on February 26, 2017, 03:09:58 PM
I'd say keep what you have (telling you you can't collect something/have something... no, not okay) but please stop spending money you don't have for them. I've been there, I was buying stuff to deal with depression, it's not a good place and you have to stop while you're ahead.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Shy Violet on February 26, 2017, 03:54:08 PM
You've gotten lots of good advice already. I have to agree that I think part of the problem is the minimalist/collector personality differences. There will need to be a balance and some compromise on both ends.

I really think having a joint bank account is crucial. You two can figure out how much your monthly expenses are, give you each a set amount of spending money and put the rest into savings. This has worked wonders for my husband and I. We get cash for our spending money and we can manage that and spend that how we each wish. My hubby gets cranky about my collection too but it's my spending money and I can spend it how I want. If you run out of spending money then no more spending until next pay cheque.

Unfortunately you may have to downsize your collection a bit to pay off your debt. Just remember that you can get them again later. Pick your favorites and sell some a little bit at a time. I think that this will show him that you are taking things seriously and acknowledging that you went overboard and are trying to remedy that.

Ultimately you have a right to have a collection if that makes you happy and he has no right to ask you to get rid of the entire collection. Just remember you have your whole life ahead of you and you will have lots of time to grow your collection later on. In the short term work on getting out of debt and coming up with a financial plan with your hubby so that you are both satisfied.

Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: northstar3184 on February 26, 2017, 04:29:01 PM
As others have said, you have a right to collect as long as your spending is within reason and it doesn't negatively impact your current and future necessities (e.g. being able to save for a home, etc..). That said, I feel his reaction is justified given the circumstances. I know if I was with someone, and we were residing with my family while providing for our child, and we went into debt over that person's spending on hobbies I'd be absolutely furious. It would cause me to question the person's dedication to our family and our future, their priorities, and wonder if I was being taken advantage of when they aren't paying their fair share of the expenses while residing with my family.

I would recommend counseling, as others have had, because what you've described sounds like a possible spending/collecting addiction. Someone who has experience working with people with addictions could help you work through the underlying issues that have led to this situation and help you both work through the impact, both of which will help prevent future problems.

Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Epona on February 26, 2017, 08:06:57 PM
My hubby and I have had both financial counseling for MAJOR debt issues, and couples counseling. We did it for different reasons than yours, but we did get a lot out of it.
The biggest thing that came out of the couples counseling was teaching us about "fair fighting". All couples disagree about things but its important that the disagreement needs to properly communicate both peoples feelings and opinions. Not just one person yelling at the other. It has to be at an appropriate time and place. Not late at night when one person has to get up early for work, or in front of other people.  The purpose of the conversation must be about trying to solve a problem, not just insisting that their way is the only way. etc. etc.
Having a 3rd party help with financial planning should help find a middle ground and create a budget that you can both be comfortable with.
Once you have cleared the debt you have created you can add in "fun money" to the budget. (we call it our allowance as a little joke) For us its $20 per person  out of each pay check to spend on whatever we want. I get ponies, he gets lego or something else.

Personally I wouldn't sell the ponies that you have except for doubles. My collection is much larger than what I can display. I keep most of my ponies stored in a wardrobe or in totes under the bed. I rotate and change my pony displays so that I  get a chance to display everybody but not every surface in the house is covered by ponies.  Maybe designate a display area that shows 5-10 ponies and rotate it continually. I have a lot of fun changing the displays and picking which ponies get to come out this time. Have fun with the displays, make paper props, or add cards as back drops like elf on the shelf. If they are contained to a small designated area it might feel less overwhelming for your hubby.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Aurora on February 27, 2017, 02:32:54 PM
I'm so sorry that this is happening, and you've gotten a lot of good advice. I'm actually taking a lot of it to heart myself, even though my boat is a little different than yours.

The only thing I will add is that there are many pony things that you can do that don't cost money- some others have touched on it with the props and back drops. I've been doing a lot with the back-cards and inserts that I've collected over the years, and it's also just fun coming here and talking with other pony collectors about their treasures.

I also used to live in an apartment, so there wasn't much room for the ponies. Probably once a week I would pull the box of ponies out of the closet and play with them. It was nice, and there was no mess afterwards- everyone back into the box!

I have a three-year-old, and I didn't realize that he would have such a profound effect on my collecting. Not just the money, but the fact that I didn't have the time I used to for collecting. And that it used to be a private thing I did, but now I sort of have to share it with him if I want any time to the ponies at all. Kids are stressful, even if that stress is fun and full of love.

I've been to therapists, too, though not group or couples therapy. It was wonderful- they know how to ask questions that I would never to think to ask, and they have advice that may be helpful, or you can chose to ignore. Don't dismiss them without a second thought.

Big hugs as you get this worked out- my heart goes out to you!
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Galactica on February 27, 2017, 06:22:03 PM
Communicating about the issues that are important to you both (your collection vs. his financial concerns) is absolutely critical to your relationship.  However- it sounds like you two are communicating pretty poorly at present. And the fact that he says he goes into a "black rage" when he sees your ponies- and the fact that you are going into debt buying ponies- are red flags that suggest you are not going to reach common ground without a lot of work.

I think if you value your relationship- you will get both of your butts into a couple's therapy appointment.  The therapist is a mediator that will help keep things from escalating- and who can also give suggestions for addressing both of your concerns (and helping you with strategies for communicating in the future).

And you can get sliding scale couple's counseling at many places- so please don't let the cost stop you. Especially as it could either save your relationship or at least shorten what could be years of passive aggressive fighting and hurt feelings on the issue. 
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Taxel on February 27, 2017, 07:46:13 PM
And you can get sliding scale couple's counseling at many places- so please don't let the cost stop you. Especially as it could either save your relationship or at least shorten what could be years of passive aggressive fighting and hurt feelings on the issue. 

In some places you can even get entirely free therapy. I know multiple states have programs/opportunities for it but I don't know if they all do. Here in Idaho we've taken advantage of fully trained people who've graduated but need so many free hours to get their license and interns. While we were in California it was suggested we might try seeing students for a severely discounted rate ($50 per visit instead of $100-200+ per) but I didn't like the idea of having a teacher watching, possibly having the student switch at random, etc. If you have a school nearby that could be an option worth pursuing too; outside of California the cost and terms would probably be at least a little better.

The only problem with these sorts of options is that you can't be all that picky and have to be able to work with what's available. Sometimes there's a lot of people available and other times you may have to wait a while, sometimes months, for anyone to be available at all. Its not for everyone but since your husband is so concerned about money it might be worth looking into.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: PJSparkles on February 27, 2017, 08:14:00 PM
As someone with self-admitted hoarding tendencies, I can definitely see where both you and your husband are coming from. I love the excitement of finding new ponies and fixing them up, but I have a LOT of hobbies and a lot of things that I collect and I spend too much money on them instead of on practical things. My room has gotten entirely out of my control with how much stuff I have, so it's a valid worry that possessions can possess you. Even still, getting rid of ALL of them because he doesn't like them seems unreasonable.

I'm not sure what the case may be for you, but in my case my rapid collecting binges are my unhealthy way of dealing with stress and depression. It may help to take a step back and avoid spending on ponies for a while and examine why you collect them and how many you really need, and how much you're willing to spend on them. Sometimes, looking at how much space and money your collection takes up puts into perspective whether or not you need to take a break or start selling parts of it off. Try to have a calm heart to heart with your husband (if he is indeed just a bit upset and not getting violent--in which case, that's another story altogether), preferably with a marriage counselor or therapist involved. I'd hate to see things go sour. :(

I hope everything is ok, and that you two figure things out soon!

Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: zombie85chick on February 28, 2017, 01:05:03 AM
Wow, thank you for all the thoughtful responses! You are an amazing group of people and it means so much to me.
We have been through a lot. I meant Brock (my spouse) about 4 years ago. We had only been dating for six months when I found out I was pregnant. I'm incredibly lucky. He was incredibly supportive throughout my pregnancy. He is a doting father. When we moved in with his mom it was to save money but more importantly go back to school. She has put us both through a lot. She has even been verbally abusive, passive aggressive and condescending. I think my money issue has just been the cherry on top of everything. Oh and his mom is a therapist but also a lunatic. Sorry, but she has added so many problems and seems to purposefully cause problems.
He is trying so hard. His grandma died in October and it only caused him to become even more angry and sad. He tells me that it has contributed greatly to his inability to handle anything. He got an ulcer was put on medication and even vomited blood. Like I said, tons of stress.
I will keep you all posted but I am having a pony sell to get rid of duplicates.i think he likes that and it seems to calm him just a little. And I think therapy would be extremely helpful. I'll seriously look into it.
Again, thank you for all the responses!
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Snapdragon on February 28, 2017, 05:09:33 AM
There's been some great advice in this thread! I hope you really consider all of it.


I'm laying in bed right now trying to think of something he could over spend on that would upset me. I'm not sure how this will come off but sometimes he can put too much into savings out of his paycheck. To a point where he can only buy groceries once or can't really help buy baby clothes.
This really bothers me. He's so frugal that he'll just refuse to spend money on groceries or baby clothes if he feels he hasn't saved enough? That's a pretty big red flag if that's actually happening. Honestly it sounds like both of you have problems with money. You just both swing in wildly different ways of viewing money.

Even though he's not abusive, he sounds controlling in a passive aggressive kind of way. He guilt tripped you into selling your other collection because it was unsightly to him... That's another big red flag to me.

Seconding this! Forcing your partner to get rid of something they love/enjoy is a BIG red flag for abuse, and is often a precursor to "real" abuse. (It's an emotional abuse, which some people struggle to consider 'real' if you don't come out of it with bruises, but it definitely counts!) Especially making you get rid of something you already owned... eesh. I'd be packing my bags, but I know that it's not that simple in your position. :( Still, I'm sorry for you! :hug: It sounds like you need someone in your corner, and ponies definitely can help fill a void for comfort that everyone needs. :)

I'm worried for you from the very start because you say he subscribes to the Fight Club mentality, and from what I've seen, Fight Club is a toxic pit of self-destructive hypermasculinity that was never intended to be taken as any kind of life guide. :P (The dude who wrote it even said he wouldn't let his daughter date anyone who loved Fight Club!) But if he's okay otherwise, then I will assume this is simply one of his flaws you've learned to live with! It sounds like he needs to understand that a marriage isn't a cloning process; he may be a minimalist, and that's fine, but you don't have to be exactly the same as him! You're still your own person, even if you're married! If you can keep the spending to within a healthy, budgeted limit that you both agree is appropriate, he needs to back off! :P

One thing to consider is that it sounds like you are in a miserably difficult situation!! It is very easy to fall into debt pursuing things that will make you feel better when you are trapped in a house with a hellbeast MIL, a penny pinching husband who goes into "black rages" and pressures you into tossing things you love, and a newborn! That's a surefire recipe for stress (heck, even just a new baby will cause stress!), and stress is the fastest way to finding unhealthy things to make you feel better in the short term, but worse in the long term. You're coping with a rough situation, and while you didn't pick the best way to cope, you didn't pick the worst! ;) Small favors?

Basically, everyone's already covered the basics, so I won't repeat them! Therapy isn't a punishment, but it sounds like it might be really helpful to help you and him communicate. Although you say his yelling isn't 'that bad', it sounds like he's treating you like a child, forcing you to give up things you love in a passive-aggressive and controlling manner, and under spending while you're over spending. A therapist can give you a more unbiased opinion of your situation, and give you advice on what you can do to ease the difficult communication you're having. A therapist might even be able to help you figure out why you're overspending, and how you can curb those urges, and find better ways to cope with the stresses in your life.

One thing to remember; the hellbeast MIL you're living with is the person who raised your husband, and for better or worse, he learned things from her by osmosis - good and bad. Her passive-aggression and cruelty may appear in him quite easily (and it sounds like it's already beginning to, in small doses), if he never consciously acknowledged/rejected her bad behaviors, and you need to be careful of that emerging during your marriage. You deserve better!! :hug:

All the best, pal! I hope you can get some assistance to help you past this rough patch! :hug:
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: northstar3184 on February 28, 2017, 07:25:05 PM
I'm worried for you from the very start because you say he subscribes to the Fight Club mentality, and from what I've seen, Fight Club is a toxic pit of self-destructive hypermasculinity that was never intended to be taken as any kind of life guide. :P (The dude who wrote it even said he wouldn't let his daughter date anyone who loved Fight Club!) But if he's okay otherwise, then I will assume this is simply one of his flaws you've learned to live with! It sounds like he needs to understand that a marriage isn't a cloning process; he may be a minimalist, and that's fine, but you don't have to be exactly the same as him! You're still your own person, even if you're married! If you can keep the spending to within a healthy, budgeted limit that you both agree is appropriate, he needs to back off! :P


She said he quotes a phrase from Fight Club, not that he subscribes to "The Fight Club mentality" There's a huge difference there. Someone can quote Romeo & Juliet; that doesn't mean they believe that couples should make suicide pacts.

And people keep going back to him using the expression "black rage" as if in using that phrase he's done some sort of wrong; it's just a phrase. Since he hasn't acted violently, I don't see why anyone would take it as more than that.

I really feel like the reactions here exemplify a move in society to paint men as abusive by default whenever there's a conflict in a relationship, and as a man I take great offense to that.

If others were in his shoes, living with his family, while the mother of his child is frivolously spending instead of contributing to bills or saving for their future, wouldn't you be angry? Wouldn't you feel as if you were being taken advantage of? Wouldn't you question that person's dedication to the couple's future when she's spending rather than setting savings aside to help get their own home? Would your reactions to this situation be different if the sexes were reversed?

Just my two cents as a man.

Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Wardah on February 28, 2017, 08:02:40 PM
I'm worried for you from the very start because you say he subscribes to the Fight Club mentality, and from what I've seen, Fight Club is a toxic pit of self-destructive hypermasculinity that was never intended to be taken as any kind of life guide. :P (The dude who wrote it even said he wouldn't let his daughter date anyone who loved Fight Club!) But if he's okay otherwise, then I will assume this is simply one of his flaws you've learned to live with! It sounds like he needs to understand that a marriage isn't a cloning process; he may be a minimalist, and that's fine, but you don't have to be exactly the same as him! You're still your own person, even if you're married! If you can keep the spending to within a healthy, budgeted limit that you both agree is appropriate, he needs to back off! :P


She said he quotes a phrase from Fight Club, not that he subscribes to "The Fight Club mentality" There's a huge difference there. Someone can quote Romeo & Juliet; that doesn't mean they believe that couples should make suicide pacts.

And people keep going back to him using the expression "black rage" as if in using that phrase he's done some sort of wrong; it's just a phrase. Since he hasn't acted violently, I don't see why anyone would take it as more than that.

I really feel like the reactions here exemplify a move in society to paint men as abusive by default whenever there's a conflict in a relationship, and as a man I take great offense to that.

If others were in his shoes, living with his family, while the mother of his child is frivolously spending instead of contributing to bills or saving for their future, wouldn't you be angry? Wouldn't you feel as if you were being taken advantage of? Wouldn't you question that person's dedication to the couple's future when she's spending rather than setting savings aside to help get their own home? Would your reactions to this situation be different if the sexes were reversed?

Just my two cents as a man.



Honestly abuse is wrong to no matter what the gender of the person doing it. Women are actually frequently perpetrators of emotional abuse but it's often just laughed off as "nagging" despite it being just as damaging emotionally as when a guy does it to a woman.

It's not that he's upset but how he's handling it that's the issue. Balance is key but it seems like he is trying to force her to conform to his wishes with no regard for her wishes and tbh that's not healthy.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Taxel on February 28, 2017, 08:08:22 PM
I really feel like the reactions here exemplify a move in society to paint men as abusive by default whenever there's a conflict in a relationship, and as a man I take great offense to that.

If others were in his shoes, living with his family, while the mother of his child is frivolously spending instead of contributing to bills or saving for their future, wouldn't you be angry? Wouldn't you feel as if you were being taken advantage of? Wouldn't you question that person's dedication to the couple's future when she's spending rather than setting savings aside to help get their own home? Would your reactions to this situation be different if the sexes were reversed?

Just my two cents as a man.

Honestly, I have to agree here. It really doesn't sound like he's done anything abusive from what's been posted here after Zombie clarified what she meant about the "black rage" (yelling/fighting, which is totally normal). It was a really bad choice of phrase but that's it, based on what she told us. We have no idea what the full story was with the Trolls and no where did Zombie say her husband forced her to get rid of them. It sounded, to me, like she decided to get rid of them because it was just easier and she didn't want him to dislike them/tease her about it/etc. Obviously they don't have great communication as it is and when you're just getting into a relationship its not unusual for people to hide/drop interests to try and impress/not seem "dorky"/etc. Its not abusive or controlling to dislike things or think they take up space. If she freely chose to get rid of them instead of compromising or something, that's not her husband's fault. Maybe he thought she got bored of them or started to agree with him that they were unnecessary. Who knows.

As for the baby clothes/groceries, if mom is buying unnecessary stuff instead of putting anything into savings its not unreasonable to think she could buy necessities instead of toys. No couple is ever going to be 100% even with every cent they spend/save 100% of the time, especially if they keep their money separate. If not having groceries (which could mean anything from necessities to optional fun snacks etc) or baby clothes (which are super cheap secondhand) is that big an issue... stop buying the toys. If she's not saving any money and dad is trying to save so they can get away from his abusive mother, of course he's going to keep saving. Maybe it was an attempt to get Zombie to "snap out of it" and spend on the necessities instead of toys. If that's what he was trying to do I really can't blame him. Or maybe he just got so caught up in the stress of their horrible living environment that he miscalculated his finances. If Zombie isn't abusive for overspending on ponies/cell phones/whatever then her husband isn't abusive if he accidentally oversaved a bit.

I mean seriously, the poor guy is so stressed he got an ulcer. He has a tiny baby, lives with his abusive mother, his grandmother just died, and his wife is going into debt. Zombie literally said her mother-in-law is abusive and her husband is not; her #1 priority should be to get her family away from her MIL, not to buy toys. As someone who has an abusive mother, I really cannot fault her husband now that we know a bit more of the situation (and omg no, having an abusive parent does not automatically make you an abuser). Of course he wants to save and get his wife and child out of there as fast as possible. No one will ever have perfect communication 100% of the time, and it sounds like the MIL is purposely causing problems between them. They need guidance and help from a couple's therapist and to get as far away from MIL as possible. Needing help does not make you abusive.

Why are people still calling him abusive, after Zombie (who knows him better than we ever will) clearly said he is not, and ignoring the actually abusive person, who Zombie plainly said IS abusive?
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: LadyMoondancer on February 28, 2017, 08:16:22 PM
I agree with northstar and Taxel.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: northstar3184 on February 28, 2017, 09:08:25 PM
I'm worried for you from the very start because you say he subscribes to the Fight Club mentality, and from what I've seen, Fight Club is a toxic pit of self-destructive hypermasculinity that was never intended to be taken as any kind of life guide. :P (The dude who wrote it even said he wouldn't let his daughter date anyone who loved Fight Club!) But if he's okay otherwise, then I will assume this is simply one of his flaws you've learned to live with! It sounds like he needs to understand that a marriage isn't a cloning process; he may be a minimalist, and that's fine, but you don't have to be exactly the same as him! You're still your own person, even if you're married! If you can keep the spending to within a healthy, budgeted limit that you both agree is appropriate, he needs to back off! :P


She said he quotes a phrase from Fight Club, not that he subscribes to "The Fight Club mentality" There's a huge difference there. Someone can quote Romeo & Juliet; that doesn't mean they believe that couples should make suicide pacts.

And people keep going back to him using the expression "black rage" as if in using that phrase he's done some sort of wrong; it's just a phrase. Since he hasn't acted violently, I don't see why anyone would take it as more than that.

I really feel like the reactions here exemplify a move in society to paint men as abusive by default whenever there's a conflict in a relationship, and as a man I take great offense to that.

If others were in his shoes, living with his family, while the mother of his child is frivolously spending instead of contributing to bills or saving for their future, wouldn't you be angry? Wouldn't you feel as if you were being taken advantage of? Wouldn't you question that person's dedication to the couple's future when she's spending rather than setting savings aside to help get their own home? Would your reactions to this situation be different if the sexes were reversed?

Just my two cents as a man.



Honestly abuse is wrong to no matter what the gender of the person doing it. Women are actually frequently perpetrators of emotional abuse but it's often just laughed off as "nagging" despite it being just as damaging emotionally as when a guy does it to a woman.

It's not that he's upset but how he's handling it that's the issue. Balance is key but it seems like he is trying to force her to conform to his wishes with no regard for her wishes and tbh that's not healthy.

I don't see where he's mishandled anything. Although he initially said he wants the ponies gone, the OP has said in her most recent post that he seems happy with her getting rid of the duplicates. It sounds like his initial reaction of saying all the ponies need to go was just out of anger, rather than an attempt to control her. I don't see where there's a control issue or anything other than a father concerned that the bills get paid, their child comes first, and that he's standing up for himself and his child by make it clear that the recent spending/debt that has occurred is counter-productive to those priorities.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Wardah on March 01, 2017, 01:16:19 AM
I'm worried for you from the very start because you say he subscribes to the Fight Club mentality, and from what I've seen, Fight Club is a toxic pit of self-destructive hypermasculinity that was never intended to be taken as any kind of life guide. :P (The dude who wrote it even said he wouldn't let his daughter date anyone who loved Fight Club!) But if he's okay otherwise, then I will assume this is simply one of his flaws you've learned to live with! It sounds like he needs to understand that a marriage isn't a cloning process; he may be a minimalist, and that's fine, but you don't have to be exactly the same as him! You're still your own person, even if you're married! If you can keep the spending to within a healthy, budgeted limit that you both agree is appropriate, he needs to back off! :P


She said he quotes a phrase from Fight Club, not that he subscribes to "The Fight Club mentality" There's a huge difference there. Someone can quote Romeo & Juliet; that doesn't mean they believe that couples should make suicide pacts.

And people keep going back to him using the expression "black rage" as if in using that phrase he's done some sort of wrong; it's just a phrase. Since he hasn't acted violently, I don't see why anyone would take it as more than that.

I really feel like the reactions here exemplify a move in society to paint men as abusive by default whenever there's a conflict in a relationship, and as a man I take great offense to that.

If others were in his shoes, living with his family, while the mother of his child is frivolously spending instead of contributing to bills or saving for their future, wouldn't you be angry? Wouldn't you feel as if you were being taken advantage of? Wouldn't you question that person's dedication to the couple's future when she's spending rather than setting savings aside to help get their own home? Would your reactions to this situation be different if the sexes were reversed?

Just my two cents as a man.



Honestly abuse is wrong to no matter what the gender of the person doing it. Women are actually frequently perpetrators of emotional abuse but it's often just laughed off as "nagging" despite it being just as damaging emotionally as when a guy does it to a woman.

It's not that he's upset but how he's handling it that's the issue. Balance is key but it seems like he is trying to force her to conform to his wishes with no regard for her wishes and tbh that's not healthy.

I don't see where he's mishandled anything. Although he initially said he wants the ponies gone, the OP has said in her most recent post that he seems happy with her getting rid of the duplicates. It sounds like his initial reaction of saying all the ponies need to go was just out of anger, rather than an attempt to control her. I don't see where there's a control issue or anything other than a father concerned that the bills get paid, their child comes first, and that he's standing up for himself and his child by make it clear that the recent spending/debt that has occurred is counter-productive to those priorities.

Yes I can understand it might have just been in anger. I just hope it was a misunderstanding and he didn't seriously expect her to have no interests or hobbies of her own unless they fit into what he considered acceptable. I was in a relationship where I suppressed my interests and it was no bueno.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Baby Sugarberry on March 01, 2017, 02:53:26 AM
A significant other (of any gender) attempting to deny an activity of their partner's that is otherwise non-detrimental is cause for alarm.  Overspending into debt on a hobby /is/ detrimental, and reasonable grounds for concern, and not a good idea in any situation. 

None of us are in a position to properly evaluate what's going on here because all information is filtered through a single source.  That said, it's common sense to warn about things like emotional abuse and red flags in behaviour because they're often impossible to spot from the 'inside' if you don't have prior experience in an abusive relationship.  That's what makes them insidious.  Like the frog slowly brought up to the boiling point that remains in the pot, there's usually no one major incident that will shock someone into realizing they're in an unhealthy situation.  I'm not making any assignments of who is/isn't a problem in this given case, just pointing out a general trend.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Snapdragon on March 01, 2017, 04:30:21 AM
A significant other (of any gender) attempting to deny an activity of their partner's that is otherwise non-detrimental is cause for alarm.  Overspending into debt on a hobby /is/ detrimental, and reasonable grounds for concern, and not a good idea in any situation. 

None of us are in a position to properly evaluate what's going on here because all information is filtered through a single source.  That said, it's common sense to warn about things like emotional abuse and red flags in behaviour because they're often impossible to spot from the 'inside' if you don't have prior experience in an abusive relationship.  That's what makes them insidious.  Like the frog slowly brought up to the boiling point that remains in the pot, there's usually no one major incident that will shock someone into realizing they're in an unhealthy situation.  I'm not making any assignments of who is/isn't a problem in this given case, just pointing out a general trend.

Agreed with you! I tend to over-warn rather than under-warn when it comes to abuse (especially emotional), because the natural trend is "oh, he just got angry/she didn't mean it," because the average person does snap from time to time, and it's not a pattern of abuse. But in an abusive situation, it happens slowly, over a number of years, where you are worn down to the point where you actually begin to believe that the abuse is your fault, and it spreads from the simple beginnings of "well, she only yells when she's angry, and it's my fault she's angry because I messed up." So hearing a similar refrain - 'he goes into black rages, but it's my fault because I put us into debt' - immediately sets off red flags in my mind. Even minimizing the damage, like 'well it's not really that bad', like when zombie85chick backs off from the term 'black rages', can be a symptom of abuse.

It's possible that it's not abusive at all (and only zombie85chick can know that of course!), but I don't feel comfortable assuming the best in these situations. From a purely outside standpoint, there's no harm in saying 'this is a red flag for abuse'; the worst that happens is I'm mistaken about a man I'll never meet, and zombie85chick knows to keep an eye out for things getting worse. The best outcome is that it might be the first hint that this situation is not right for the victim, and might lead to them getting help. (Or, even a third party reading the thread thinks, "this sounds similar to my situation", and it helps them somehow.)

And just for clarification - in no way am I implying that being related to an abuser will automatically make you one! What I was trying to say (and perhaps misspoke!) was that our families form and mold us consciously as well as unconsciously, and it can take a lot of conscious effort to undo the unconscious lessons we've learned in bad situations, like with an abusive parent or a dysfunctional family. We learn coping methods as children in bad situations that are no longer useful tools when we are in new, safer situations. It's not a matter of becoming an abuser automatically, but perhaps emulating the only person who seemed to be "successful" in the toxic situation.

The reason I point this out is because of the symptoms that zombie85chick is describing - controlling behavior, yelling, over-frugality to the point of financial distress, over-compensating behaviors in that vein - may be symptoms that her husband is emulating his mother in more ways than he may realize. And that doesn't necessarily make him an abusive or bad partner, but it may mean that under stress, he reverts to bad habits.

Anyway, like I said, all of the best to you zombie85chick, you've gotten some great advice, and I hope everything works out well for you. :hug:
I'm worried for you from the very start because you say he subscribes to the Fight Club mentality, and from what I've seen, Fight Club is a toxic pit of self-destructive hypermasculinity that was never intended to be taken as any kind of life guide. :P (The dude who wrote it even said he wouldn't let his daughter date anyone who loved Fight Club!) But if he's okay otherwise, then I will assume this is simply one of his flaws you've learned to live with! It sounds like he needs to understand that a marriage isn't a cloning process; he may be a minimalist, and that's fine, but you don't have to be exactly the same as him! You're still your own person, even if you're married! If you can keep the spending to within a healthy, budgeted limit that you both agree is appropriate, he needs to back off! :P


She said he quotes a phrase from Fight Club, not that he subscribes to "The Fight Club mentality" There's a huge difference there. Someone can quote Romeo & Juliet; that doesn't mean they believe that couples should make suicide pacts.

And people keep going back to him using the expression "black rage" as if in using that phrase he's done some sort of wrong; it's just a phrase. Since he hasn't acted violently, I don't see why anyone would take it as more than that.
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Just my two cents as a man.



Honestly abuse is wrong to no matter what the gender of the person doing it. Women are actually frequently perpetrators of emotional abuse but it's often just laughed off as "nagging" despite it being just as damaging emotionally as when a guy does it to a woman.

It's not that he's upset but how he's handling it that's the issue. Balance is key but it seems like he is trying to force her to conform to his wishes with no regard for her wishes and tbh that's not healthy.
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I don't see where he's mishandled anything.

Here's the highlights that stood out to me:

[...]My husband is furious. He says it sends him into a black rage when he looks at my collection. He'll quote Fight Club at me "whatever you own ends up owning you" and how they don't make me happy. They're toys, materialistic garbage and he wants them gone. And he's furious about the amount of money I've spent. [...] would be heart broken to part with my collection.


Diminishing something that makes zombie85chick happy, not taking her feelings into account, demanding she conform to his beliefs through aggression and demeaning her/her interests; also, the use of "black rage" is his wording, not hers, which I missed the first time.

[...]sometimes he can put too much into savings out of his paycheck. To a point where he can only buy groceries once or can't really help buy baby clothes. I never fly off the handle because I know I've messed up.

[...] He gets angry and doesn't want to talk or will yell a little but nothing abusive. [...]

[...]He says I don't need them and to get rid of them all. He is also convinced that I'm one of 10 people that collect and they're most likely worthless. [...]

He says that he'll never like my ponies and wants be to get rid of them all our only have a handful. I wish there was just more of a middle ground. Not all or nothing. He prides himself on being a minimalist.

More descriptions of aggression/yelling, diminishing her by claiming there's only a few people who share this hobby (which would count as isolation, another tactic abusers can use), overreacting by claiming it's 'all or nothing' with her ponies (and that he should be the person who decides how many ponies she has), putting more financial burden on her by over-saving the money he should be spending on groceries/their baby, the implication that she's not allowed to get angry because the situation is 'her fault', and on and on. Although it's normal to be upset at a partner when they get into debt, there's red flags that something more serious than simple anger may be at play here.

:coffee: Hope that helps!
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Vertefae on March 01, 2017, 04:58:45 AM
My question is, if you had not spent so much on ponies would the groceries and baby clothes be such a big deal? I tend to over save, but I also allot enough for groceries and baby things. I panic if the bank account gets below a certain amount. If you're having to borrow money to pay bills, you've clearly overspent and I can't blame your husband being angry. If he had to pull money out of savings for an emergency, he could. What can you do with plastic horses?

I don't mean to sound mean and I hope you don't take it that way.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: northstar3184 on March 01, 2017, 02:39:48 PM
"The reason I point this out is because of the symptoms that zombie85chick is describing - controlling behavior, yelling, over-frugality to the point of financial distress, over-compensating behaviors in that vein - may be symptoms that her husband is emulating his mother in more ways than he may realize. And that doesn't necessarily make him an abusive or bad partner, but it may mean that under stress, he reverts to bad habits."

That's just it, I'm not seeing controlling behavior: He seems happy with her selling the duplicates. I don't see him being overly frugal: They have a baby and reside with his mother. Those two variables, in addition to regular bills, can and should cause any parent to be frugal with their money so that they can save for their own home and child's future. As far as yelling, what couple has never yelled?

From my vantage point as a guy, it really seems like in these situations men are in a catch-22: Be assertive and risk being characterized as controlling. Or don't be assertive and get regarded as a spineless doormat. He's taken the path of being assertive, thinking of the future and his child. And as a result, we're sitting here talking about red flags for abuse. If he were permissive about the spending, we'd be talking about how he doesn't have the backbone to stand up for his child and is allowing himself to be taken advantage of. It's a no-win.

Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Pokeyonekenobie on March 01, 2017, 03:52:14 PM
Aside from the couple's counselling that everyone has suggested, have you and your husband considered Dave Ramsey's Total Money Makeover?  It might help you a lot more than you realize.  Here's the website to the baby steps that get you on track for having control over your finances.

https://www.daveramsey.com/baby-steps

My brother and his wife went to Ramsey's "Financial Peace University" class because my brother spends money like a drunken sailor (I think it's because his love language is gift giving, so he likes to buy people things).  But they realized that it was a problem and they want to own their own home someday so they've taken the steps to get there.  They said it was super helpful and they don't argue about money anymore because they're on the same page now.  I don't know if the classes cost money but Dave Ramsey's books should be available at your local library.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: kasin on March 01, 2017, 05:18:23 PM
I love the above comment about Dave Ramsey, he is very supportive while also dishing some tough love about the realities of money and family finances. I think it's important to have a encouraging environment when it comes to money since it's easy to feel hopeless and want to give up.

Northstar, I fallow your perspective from a XY point of view and I'm glad your responding to offer balance, we don't know enough to vilify this guy and with the known situation there is a good chance he is just looking out for what he feels is best for his family and child, we we should not pass judgment too quickly. Personally I'm staying neutral, we just don't know enough in my opinion.

Snapdragon, your first responce really upset me and I actually had to delete a responce I was starting to write because I was afraid I was taking it too personal.  the second response clarifying your comments about children growing up with a abusive parent did not make me feel any better, but now instead of angry I'm really depressed. This ignorant attitude is a stigma that older adoptees, Foster kids, kids in group homes  and all kinds of abuse survivor have to live with and many of us feel a need to hide. Your essentially blaming the victim  though I'm sure you don't realize it. I'm honestly kinda crushed reading this, the opinion you voice is all too common and it hurts so many children/people that have already been through so much.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Stormness_1 on March 01, 2017, 07:48:39 PM
Wow... what a thread! By the title, I was thinking damn girl.. collection of course, and I've been married 5 years and am pregnant! But I was envisioning an innocent collector in all of this.. and boy, was I wrong. I read all of it, and the more I read, the more I think, "what the hell are these people doing?!" You two need to get on the same damn page! My husband and I have a similar situation, we're living with his dad and step-mum, trying to buy a house, and we have a baby on the way. But even though I'm the collector, I'm the frugal one.

How do we manage? We have both separate and joint bank accounts. We both have our wages deposited into our respective accounts, and pay a nominal amount into a bills account, which pays for the essentials + savings. Everything left is for us to spend how we see fit, with complete privacy if we so wish. We generally have an idea of about how much the other has left, but we're often intentionally vague around special occasions. Hubby is a total money pit. I have no idea where it goes sometimes.. it's insane. Sometimes I get annoyed at being the one propping up our savings when he gets slack, and I go on a shopping spree and put nothing in (for savings, I still pay bills!) for a fortnight, but then we talk about it, and we both get back on track.

But what you're describing is scary off-track! If you're in debt for ponies, that needs to stop RIGHT NOW. If he's over saving, that also needs to stop RIGHT NOW. Both are serious, and both are unhealthy when you have a child that depends on the two of you to live. Get yourselves together. I don't care how you do it - therapy, financial planners, whatever, but for the sake of your child, get it done. Financial issues are the worst kind of issues. They affect your trust, and incite self-justified greed and in some cases, eventuate in abuse. Bitterness, hate and regret are the results of this path you two are on, and your child had a front row seat - remember that  in all you do.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Snapdragon on March 01, 2017, 08:22:40 PM
northstar3184, I must have misunderstood, I thought we were talking about the subject at hand, not discussions of men in general. I think we're talking about two different things, hence the confusion!

I love the above comment about Dave Ramsey, he is very supportive while also dishing some tough love about the realities of money and family finances. I think it's important to have a encouraging environment when it comes to money since it's easy to feel hopeless and want to give up.

Northstar, I fallow your perspective from a XY point of view and I'm glad your responding to offer balance, we don't know enough to vilify this guy and with the known situation there is a good chance he is just looking out for what he feels is best for his family and child, we we should not pass judgment too quickly. Personally I'm staying neutral, we just don't know enough in my opinion.

Snapdragon, your first responce really upset me and I actually had to delete a responce I was starting to write because I was afraid I was taking it too personal.  the second response clarifying your comments about children growing up with a abusive parent did not make me feel any better, but now instead of angry I'm really depressed. This ignorant attitude is a stigma that older adoptees, Foster kids, kids in group homes  and all kinds of abuse survivor have to live with and many of us feel a need to hide. Your essentially blaming the victim  though I'm sure you don't realize it. I'm honestly kinda crushed reading this, the opinion you voice is all too common and it hurts so many children/people that have already been through so much.

Wow, I'm really sorry I gave that impression, I never intended to come across so callously! :( I don't think kids from dysfunctional families should ever feel ashamed! I just intended to help spread awareness about a topic that is often misunderstood and maligned, and possibly give aid to zombie85chick, whose husband would definitely benefit from understanding the dysfunctional situation he grew up in. The worst situation is to grow up with someone like the MIL and not realize how toxic it is until much, much later, so I hoped I could spare her some time and heartache. I googled a little bit and found a good, quick read about how dysfunctional families work, and how one can help oneself deal with the fallout from a bad family situation, including some book recommendations: http://www.twu.edu/downloads/counseling/E-5_Dysfunctional_Families_-_Recognizing_and_Overcoming_Their_Effects.pdf
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: FantasticFirefly on March 01, 2017, 09:40:56 PM
Just planned on popping here quickly for a fast read. I’m not in the best place at the moment, and didn’t plan on responding but I couldn’t leave this. so please take this with a grain of salt.

Looking through past posts.
-it was an ex that threw away the original collection.
-groceries/baby clothes. Hard to say what is sufficient or not with no frame of reference. Obviously if caloric/nutiritional needs are unmet, and a child is in filthy tattered too small clothing there is an issue. But, if it’s a case of no fun snacks- cookies, chips, etc or beverages like soda or juice (which add substantially to a grocery bill) while having cheap yet healthy filling food with tapwater, and having to do laundry a little more often, but still a sufficient amount of appropriate comfort/fit clothing then he would be correct to continue to be frugal at this present moment.
-the man is living with what sounds like a potential NPD parent, with his wife and infant while they are going to school. NO WONDER he is “over-saving”. He is so stressed he vomited blood from getting a stomach ulcer. For those who have never been the winner of a stomach ulcer from crushing stress, it is a very unique special kind of misery you don’t wish on your worst enemy. It’s truly, truly horrible. Terrified of eating anything, what will react and terrified knowing not eating anything will result in pain too. The treatment drugs are not exactly fun either.

I am making assumptions here. But my suspicion is he wants the heck out of that house and keep OP and his child safe from his mothers toxic influence, but not until there is enough saved to cover enough independent expenses as well as some for infrequent costs (i.e new tires for a car, they wear out eventually) and emergencies- so when you’re out of there you aren’t stuck in the pay to pay trap and the first surprise expense doesn't in a disaster of panic and stress, borrowing money or going to a payday store in desperation. I am also assuming they are cramped together in a smaller area together with all of their belongings and the clutter accumulating from collecting in that shared space is a constant visual reminder of over spending and what he sees as totally misplaced priorities.

I would be in a silent rage if my spouse and I were cramped with a relative like that and I see blu rays and video games piling up in our shared space- something he enjoys collecting- while I feverishly save to get us the heck out of dodge. My spouse has a large collection, and collects responsibly. I don’t get excited about them or anything, essentially zero interest for me, but I am pleased  to see him happy when he picks up one he enjoys. But, he can go months without acquiring anything new for that collection and enjoying the ones he has when we need to cut way back. Easily. If the pony collecting appears like a never-ending acquiring/buying fest- then it does appear to an outsider that they “couldn’t make you happy”. Because if they did, you could be content and enjoy the present ones for now without adding more while other goals are of higher priority. Under stress too I do see the temptation of uplift of a new score for a collector- it can get addicting.

 Please have a sitdown with him. Is there a goal amount he is working towards for an EF (emergency fund) or other saving goals? Why are they important to him- please find this out, the hows and whys of his saving and current money stress.

Both Dave Ramsey as well as Gail Vaz Oxlade (she’s the Canadian counterpart) are both good reading for financial literacy, and why things like staying out of consumer/personal debt, budgeting, and planned spending emergency saving are important, and how to calculate how much you’ll need to achieve what you each want. I didn’t read as much of Ramsey’s work, but Vaz Oxlade does a great job breaking things down, and how to communicate about money with a spouse and plan goals together.

I adore pony collecting, but please don’t let it hurt other areas of your life or loved ones. <3
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: lovesbabysquirmy on March 02, 2017, 07:28:29 AM
I agree with FantasticFirefly.  If this is a situation in which nobody is happy to be cramped up with their controlling MIL (or mother), with a small baby, with no savings or emergency fund, and there are personal health issues to be addressed that are being caused by the toxic stress.... removing yourselves from that situation HAS to come first.

We as collectors like to enable a lot, and claim there are lots of reasons to have a collection, but it's only viable in a healthy situation. 

If the spouse is saving every penny he receives to try and give his family some independence, while the other spouse is constantly online shopping and filling up the house with colourful plastic, I would go into a "black rage" too!  In my house, right now we are trying to get our credit card below a certain number, which is VERY reliant on not eating fast food, not picking up anything at Value Village, etc.  None of our usual "fun" things.  I cross my eyes and groan everytime my husband says, "Well the kid behaved so I got her a Happy Meal" and I'm like.... AUUUUUGH that was another swipe of the CC... 

I would use this time to evaluate WHY you collect.  Do you like to brush and style them?  Is it the thrill of "another box on the doorstep"?  Because if it's actually a shopping addiction and that's the part that feels fun and good, you really have to say no to yourself.  If you're borrowing from other people to feed your addiction and cover your bills then you really do need to slow down.

Best of luck figuring all out this.  And most of all, best of luck in getting away from the NPD MIL... those are no fun and soon she will begin her mind games on your child as well!  :(  Narcissists are masters of manipulation and they have no qualms about playing their games with children.  :(
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: northstar3184 on March 02, 2017, 12:52:41 PM
"The reason I point this out is because of the symptoms that zombie85chick is describing - controlling behavior, yelling, over-frugality to the point of financial distress, over-compensating behaviors in that vein - may be symptoms that her husband is emulating his mother in more ways than he may realize. And that doesn't necessarily make him an abusive or bad partner, but it may mean that under stress, he reverts to bad habits."

That's just it, I'm not seeing controlling behavior: He seems happy with her selling the duplicates. I don't see him being overly frugal: They have a baby and reside with his mother. Those two variables, in addition to regular bills, can and should cause any parent to be frugal with their money so that they can save for their own home and child's future. As far as yelling, what couple has never yelled?

From my vantage point as a guy, it really seems like in these situations men are in a catch-22: Be assertive and risk being characterized as controlling. Or don't be assertive and get regarded as a spineless doormat. He's taken the path of being assertive, thinking of the future and his child. And as a result, we're sitting here talking about red flags for abuse. If he were permissive about the spending, we'd be talking about how he doesn't have the backbone to stand up for his child and is allowing himself to be taken advantage of. It's a no-win.



Snapdragon, I am discussing the matter at hand. My whole post above is about this situation. Yes, I am also making a point about how the situation exemplifies a societal over-eagerness to pinpoint men as abusers/potential abusers when no such evidence exists.  All of the posts that suggest possible abuse, despite no evidence thereof, illustrate this point.
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Dragonflitter on March 03, 2017, 07:59:44 AM
When I first started collecting ponies, I bought a lot of them too! I had quite a quick-growing collection... and then I realized I was a bit short on rent.  ^^; It's a learning experience, so don't beat yourself up too much about it. But also keep in mind how easy it was for you to buy these ponies. Make sure you learn from your learning experience!

Like you said in your first post, many toys from 20 and 30 years ago are still easy to find, online. So if you need to sell some of your collection, even more than just your duplicates, just tell yourself how fun it will be to track down these characters again when you have a little more money. I had to do that too. I had to get rid of G1 Night Cap and G1 Pillow Talk and I was sad, but then I found them again later when my rent wasn't in jeopardy and now they are part of my collection once again. :)
Title: Re: My pony collection or my spouse (serious advice)
Post by: Loa on March 04, 2017, 06:19:03 PM
Guys, I am locking this now as the OP hasn't returned and its turning into a WYP thread.
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