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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: LunaMoonCustoms1212 on December 31, 2016, 04:10:11 PM
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Pony question of the day:
What is your opinion of people customizing G1's?
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I have no problem with people making customs out of g1s, but SO MANY do it with ponies that aren't baits. There is no point baiting a pony that is perfectly fine on its own. And a lot of ponies that may look like baits, can be completely fixed very easily.
What is your opinion on this topic? and if you have a before and after with a g1 custom, please share!
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I have never completely customised a G1 but sometimes if a G1 badly damaged I make reversible repairs in an alt way. For example my alt re-hairs. If someone wanted to restore them to look original then they could.
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When I bait ponies I do a-lot of research on them first, and if possible, restore them because I don't like to bait a pony who's just fine. A-lot of people will bait ponies with chew marks or missing ears, but I even know how to fix that, so it always just depends on the pony itself
I have no problem with baiting G1s but so many customizers don't see the difference between a pony that needs a simple rehair and wash, and a pony that is actually too much of a hassle to restore for its weight, the majority of "Bait" ponies on ebay just need a bath
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I just normally bait G3s or G4s. As for G1 baits I usually use very common poses very bait ponies. I know most pony people would restore over customize but its ideally the same thing just a change of objectives. Either way the pony will get a make over.
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I don't customize ponies myself but I don't mind someone using a G1 bait if it's truly a bait pony. That being said I don't think ponies with minor flaws should be baited.
Ponyfan
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As long as they're seriously jacked up go for it. I mean don't do it to one in decent condition.
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Ooh, that rehaired Starshine is really beautiful! :heart:
I don't do customs so maybe it's not my place to pass judgment, but to my mind it's A-OK if the pony is in really poor condition and needs something done to give it a fresh lease on life. If they just need a little bit of TLC, then I reckon they should be restored instead but it's down to the person who owns the pony at the end of the day.
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I think I have the same opinion as most here. Unless the pony is truly bait and in no way restorable, then it's ok to customise.
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I made that Starshine! ^.^ I don't take before pictures unless I'm doing a restoration.
Love pkw xxx
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On regular ponies, I think it's okay :) for example, it's near impossible to sell a Posey with faded hair, even for 1£, and if she can become a custom that will be cherished in a collection rather than an unwanted, unsold double - that's way better IMO. Even if the only issue was fading hair, otherwise perfect condition.
Personally, I bait G1s if they have haircuts AND permanent marks - if they are common. Like baby Moondancer, Glory, Sparkler, Lily.
I recently customized a very bait Sparkler - Pindot, hair and tailcut, permanent marks. The result is, despite me not being a superb customizer, a pony I very much want in my collection and to me, that makes much more sense than trying to restore her :)
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I made that Starshine! ^.^ I don't take before pictures unless I'm doing a restoration.
Love pkw xxx
Oh I didn't know that it was yours :lol:. Yeah, I found it on the Internet and thought that it was so pretty that I wanted it on my PQOTD!
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I recently customized a very bait Sparkler - Pindot, hair and tailcut, permanent marks. The result is, despite me not being a superb customizer, a pony I very much want in my collection and to me, that makes much more sense than trying to restore her :)
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Ooh nice job! I almost didn't notice the FBR and thought she was just an alt. re-hair :blush:
So then, are you going to give away your secrets to doing a good FBR :dribble: p.s. did she have cnacer/plastic breakdown at all and how is the paint holding up?
Sorry if too off-topic OP!
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Thank you so much! :) She is my first FBR and I am still experimenting. The paint is a little sticky - not sure my sealer is good. Some say the stickyness goes away after a while so I am waiting to see if that happens. I use an airbrush/compressor and many thin layers, that's the key to an even repaint :) The pindot was still a little visible before the sealer - but after, it was not visible.
Next time I will sand it down to a smooth surface before painting, might also help is stick better.
I recently customized a very bait Sparkler - Pindot, hair and tailcut, permanent marks. The result is, despite me not being a superb customizer, a pony I very much want in my collection and to me, that makes much more sense than trying to restore her :)
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Ooh nice job! I almost didn't notice the FBR and thought she was just an alt. re-hair :blush:
So then, are you going to give away your secrets to doing a good FBR :dribble: p.s. did she have cnacer/plastic breakdown at all and how is the paint holding up?
Sorry if too off-topic OP!
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Thank you so much! :) She is my first FBR and I am still experimenting. The paint is a little sticky - not sure my sealer is good. Some say the stickyness goes away after a while so I am waiting to see if that happens. I use an airbrush/compressor and many thin layers, that's the key to an even repaint :) The pindot was still a little visible before the sealer - but after, it was not visible.
Next time I will sand it down to a smooth surface before painting, might also help is stick better.
I recently customized a very bait Sparkler - Pindot, hair and tailcut, permanent marks. The result is, despite me not being a superb customizer, a pony I very much want in my collection and to me, that makes much more sense than trying to restore her :)
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Ooh nice job! I almost didn't notice the FBR and thought she was just an alt. re-hair :blush:
So then, are you going to give away your secrets to doing a good FBR :dribble: p.s. did she have cnacer/plastic breakdown at all and how is the paint holding up?
Sorry if too off-topic OP!
Thank you for sharing! I've had paint stay sticky before but I changed sealer. I was hoping there was a way without investing in an airbrush but everyone says the same so maybe I should just have a look on ebay :)
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Thank you for sharing! I've had paint stay sticky before but I changed sealer. I was hoping there was a way without investing in an airbrush but everyone says the same so maybe I should just have a look on ebay :)
What sealer do you use now? :)
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Testor's as recommended on the MLP preservation project!
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I think I have the same opinion as most here. Unless the pony is truly bait and in no way restorable, then it's ok to customise.
I generally agree with this too.
We crowd-sourced a Bait Guide in the wiki a few years ago:
http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Bait
there's a link to it in my signature. :)
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Thanks! :)
Testor's as recommended on the MLP preservation project!
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If it's unrestorable and isn't, like, a Mimic or something, I don't see the problem with customizing :)
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I'm like most of you here, custom should only be done if the pony can't be saved.I'm against customzing common ponies that are not in a bad condition too, because if everyone is doing it they will not be common for long.
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I think I have the same opinion as most here. Unless the pony is truly bait and in no way restorable, then it's ok to customise.
I generally agree with this too.
We crowd-sourced a Bait Guide in the wiki a few years ago:
http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Bait
there's a link to it in my signature. :)
Useful page. I never knew Twist's stripe was fading pink bc I've never had one in hand. Does anybody know, is Whizzer not in the head/body mismatch section because it's caused by regrind? She always seems to have it so I didn't collect her, but I just got one for Christmas.
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I made that Starshine! ^.^ I don't take before pictures unless I'm doing a restoration.
Love pkw xxx
Oh I didn't know that it was yours :lol:. Yeah, I found it on the Internet and thought that it was so pretty that I wanted it on my PQOTD!
^.^ thank you, I'm glad you like her.
This Starshine is kind of a restoration/rehair :) she has quite a lot of marks, I was able to sunfade some, but not all of them. She had a bad hair cut and her symbols were rubbed to almost nothing. I cleaned her, sunfaded her, repainted her symbols and rehaired her with nylon that I dip dyed :)
I'm not a fan of baiting ponies that are not bait. If I have a "boarder line" pony, I'd sooner clean her/him up and rehome her than bait her/him.
Love pkw xxx
Love pkw xxx
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To be fair I don't like the idea of customizing a pony that's not an ugly fakie. Be it super rare or common pony. I'm fascinated by the idea of restoration and I'm in the process of restoring some regular G4 ponies at the moment. Twilight Sparkle may be common, but the unicorn one with bangs is kind of rare and if I didn't have one already I would kill for one. So if I'd ever see G4 ponies with bangs being customized I'd be a sad pony :( But to each their own I guess. People are free to do whatever they want with the stuff they bought. I've seen videos of ponies being burned or crushed in a meat grinder. And while I think destroying any useful thing is disgusting I can't stop them. I just tend to ignore things I don't like.
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As long as the are common and baity, then I don't see an issue with it. If folks want to see more of them restored, then they'll have to be willing to buy restores, or buy baits to fix up themselves. Also, people really need to stop telling other collectors that they've "ruined" their pony when someone tries a restore.
I used to avoid doing any customs from real Hasbro ponies, but I figure my baity ponies are probably being bought by customizers anyway, so I've been dabbling in it here and there.
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Testor's as recommended on the MLP preservation project!
Too funny! I literally just learned about that product from a customizer and only added the info to the site recently. It's been working really well for me. I'm probably paranoid, but I paint on two coats of paint, each very thin and making sure the first coat is dry, spray with mod podge, then paint on two more coats and seal it with the testors. I'm just paranoid about the paint peeling off. I bought the AirBrainz airbrush last week and am pretty happy with it so far. I water down craft acrylic for paint. It's hard to get the mix right so that it doesn't constantly clog the opening, but I've done two bod repaints with it and so far so good. https://www.amazon.com/Testors-AirBrainz-Airbrush-Turquoise-Lime/dp/B01CUSCRO6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1483329708&sr=8-1&keywords=airbrainz
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I have mixed feelings about customizing G1's. In general I don't like the idea because they are a finite resource and even the common ones can become uncommon if too many are customized. I like the idea of restorations more but the problem is not many people are looking to buy restores. So then it becomes a matter of if it's worth my time and the cost of supplies to restore a pony that no one will want?
For example the only 2 G1's I've customized in the last 20 years are a baby Surprise and a baby Glory. Baby Glory was in decent shape but had all her hair chopped off. I already have 2 other baby Glory's in my collection so I decided to customize her into a baby Majesty which I adore and she now has a special place in my collection. Baby Surprise was in much worse shape and probably considered more bait by most standards. She had almost no symbols, eyes were rubbed off, hair was cut, highlighter marks on her body and she has 3 chunks out of one wing. No one is going to want this pony except another customizer. I have several baby Surprises already so no point restoring her for myself so I made her into Baby Paradise and she is so so beautiful even with her highlighter marks and chunks missing. Both babies got a new life and will be staying in my collection.
Sorry for such a long winded post but I guess my point is that it's really a case by case decision. Unfortunately there isn't much of a market for restores but a well done custom would have some value whether it's for selling or for having a place in my collection that would otherwise have been taken already by the original pony. Badly done customs upset me a bit. :/
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I made that Starshine! ^.^ I don't take before pictures unless I'm doing a restoration.
Love pkw xxx
I thought that was yours! I'm the person who bought her :)
With regards to the question, I think I agree with the 'don't customise unless it's really bait' mentality. On the whole, I like to restore rather than customise - but then certain types of restoration practically are customisation, and I do really like alternate rehairs. I think you just have to decide on a pony-by-pony basis. Every pony deserves a new lease of life, whether that means being restored or being customised.
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I don't customize ponies myself but I don't mind someone using a G1 bait if it's truly a bait pony. That being said I don't think ponies with minor flaws should be baited.
Ponyfan
This basically sums up my position on this. I don't mind people customising ponies that are wrecked. Sometimes it's the only way you can save that pony, and I consider heavy restoration, such as rerooting and repainting and such to be customising of a different kind.
I don't believe in alt-rehairing ponies unless they are in a really sorry state hairwise. I'd like to think nobody takes a decent condition (if common) G1 and riips out the hair just to make money from rooting different colours in the mane and tail - but who knows.
I think baiting G4 is fine as they are in the stores, unless it's one that people are struggling to get hold of in other places (ie Holly Dash was a good example of this). I think baiting G3 - same rules apply as to G1, because they might be plentiful and cheap now, but that won't necessarily always be the case. G1 was a lot more plentiful and cheap in the past. Because of that, a lot of good condition ponies were baited. Some of those ponies are now much harder to find...so the rules have changed.
So yeah. Bait ponies are fine. Other ponies, in my opinion, not, unless they are still on sale in stores and thus still being produced.
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For me, if a G1 pony has their hair drastically cut, or is in a terribly frizzy state, then I feel a re-root is justified, as that poor pony can't look any worse!
Whether it is the original hair colour-way or a new one I think depends on the owner of that pony, each to their own!
Buying good-condition G1 ponies and then totally re-doing them, I reckon, is a bit of a shame in that there are limited numbers of G1 ponies; however, in the hands of a skilled artist, some amazing re-inventions can happen!
I guess what I am trying to say is practise on common G4s or fakies until you are confident that the pony won't be ruined, use the best quality hair and acrylic paints that you can afford, practise your re-root techniques and plug-sizing, take your time and make a masterpiece!
I obtained a well-loved G1 pony recently, her hair was cut, her symbols were 70% worn away and too complex to re-paint. I thought hard, hard, hard and decided to acetate her faded symbols away, give her an oxy-bath (dirty inside) and carefully pull out what remained of her straggly hair.
Apart from a few stubborn body marks, she is now a clean, deep/mid pink blank canvas ready for a re-root; I have a selection of nylon pony hair in lots of funky colours and am just deciding on what scheme to go for!
I want to make her look TOTALLY FABULOUS so I am taking my time in deciding what to do and justifying sacrificing her original, albeit baity, G1 state. :art:
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I think customizing G1 is fine, but I really prefer people use "baits" to do it- its kind of nice seeing thrashed ponies get a new lease on life. Customizing good condition G1s does seem.... I dunno, wasteful.... but I don't think I'd give anyone a hard time over it or lose sleep over it.
None of these are going to last forever so I think people have a right to get enjoyment out if their own things as they see fit.
((Btw to me, "bait" means serious hair loss and/or major body damage))
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On regular ponies, I think it's okay :) for example, it's near impossible to sell a Posey with faded hair, even for 1£, and if she can become a custom that will be cherished in a collection rather than an unwanted, unsold double - that's way better IMO. Even if the only issue was fading hair, otherwise perfect condition.
Personally, I bait G1s if they have haircuts AND permanent marks - if they are common. Like baby Moondancer, Glory, Sparkler, Lily.
I recently customized a very bait Sparkler - Pindot, hair and tailcut, permanent marks. The result is, despite me not being a superb customizer, a pony I very much want in my collection and to me, that makes much more sense than trying to restore her :)
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That TAF Buttons is superb!
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This is something I've been pretty back and forth on. I love seeing restored G1's, but no matter how pretty the custom, my heart breaks a little when I see a G1 custom. I wonder who she was and if some collector out there missed out on her (or him). With pony cancer from plastic degredation and G1's not being made anymore, there will be fewer and fewer.
But then, some customs are just so beautiful and perhaps the pony was unsalvagable, and yet... if it could be made into a custom, it should be able to be restored, right?
Other posters do have a point though, people don't necessarily buy restores. They want originals, plus, I've often played with the idea of making a G1 ponysona...
So back and forth! :blink: anyway, I'm undecided.
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I guess what I am trying to say is practise on common G4s or fakies until you are confident that the pony won't be ruined, use the best quality hair and acrylic paints that you can afford, practise your re-root techniques and plug-sizing, take your time and make a masterpiece!
Yesss, this!! I don't want to sound snobbish/elitist/rude/whatever word you want to use, but I've seen a few G1 customs (not on here!) that were a bit... poorly done; I def. think that G1 customs should be something to work up to + not for first-time customizers! ^^;
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aaaaa, she's gorgeous!!!
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I'm in favor of restoring, if possible. That said, I've seen some absolutely stunning customs, and if they came from truly baity ponies, I can see how they are actually doing the pony a favor. I have done one custom restoration of a Star Hopper who had been sliced and pen-stabbed. Since it was going to be obvious that she was not original, I did an alternate rehair (her original hair was in poor condition), and I do like her better now than I like the original pony.
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(Apologies to those who might have seen her too many times now...)
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I'm in favor of restoring, if possible. That said, I've seen some absolutely stunning customs, and if they came from truly baity ponies, I can see how they are actually doing the pony a favor. I have done one custom restoration of a Star Hopper who had been sliced and pen-stabbed. Since it was going to be obvious that she was not original, I did an alternate rehair (her original hair was in poor condition), and I do like her better now than I like the original pony.
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(Apologies to those who might have seen her too many times now...)
I couldn't see that beautiful pony too many times! Lovely restoration
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I think if it's g1, and beyond restore, it's okay to customize it. But if it just needs new hair or a bath, why not just restore it to the former glory it once had? And if you are going to customize the pony, make sure that you have had practice, and it won't be a dogs breakfast. Nobody wants to see a glorious g1 with paint splotches on it.
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I'm fine with making G1 customs as long as the pony is actually damaged in some way (and is preferably a very common pony). For instance, if you're going to be rehairing the pony whether you choose to restore or customize, you might as well have some fun with that.
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I have no issue with it so long as they are in bad shape to begin with.
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I'm in favor of restoring, if possible. That said, I've seen some absolutely stunning customs, and if they came from truly baity ponies, I can see how they are actually doing the pony a favor. I have done one custom restoration of a Star Hopper who had been sliced and pen-stabbed. Since it was going to be obvious that she was not original, I did an alternate rehair (her original hair was in poor condition), and I do like her better now than I like the original pony.
Superb! This is the kind of thing that I mean :thumb:
ETA: also :heart: :heart: :heart: that gorgeous restore by Vettefromm!!
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I might catch some flak for this, but . . . I wish people would do more recycling of already-baited ponies. Some customs are fantastic, some aren't. So why not buy a not-so-great one off eBay and recustomize a pre-existing custom? Or, if you've had a custom for a year or two and don't want her anymore, why not strip off the paint and turn her into a new pony instead of selling her on eBay?
One aspect of customizing G1s that makes me uncomfortable is how often it's put into monetary terms, i.e. "Well, I couldn't sell her for $2, so I customized her." IMO that is not a good reason to customize an otherwise okay pony, not even a Peachy. Like, dang, these toys are not going to last forever and there are a finite number of them--even Peachy and Cotton Candy. ;)
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I agree with Lady Moondancer about re-baiting ponies. My poofy alt re-hairs were rescued alt re-hairs, Dancing Butterflies and Flower Pony Bluebell. They were re haired in a really odd set of colours and not with original hair. They also had a lot of broken plugs so it would be hard to re hair them to look original. I'm happy just to have them as fun poofy alt re-hairs because the volume of the yarn hides the split plugs and they look cool. If someone is desperate to try later they can. I don't believe in damaging ponies and further so I'm very careful when buying baits.