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Pony Talk => Off Topic => Topic started by: GazeboMouse on August 14, 2016, 01:41:53 PM
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Just wondering, once you've written your first proper draft, how long do you leave it before you reread it and properly edit it? Some online advice says a fortnight, some say a few months, others say longer!
How long do you feel is long enough for you to read it again with a more objective view?
Almost finished my first draft of a children's book, and the words are just flowing at the moment.
(Have had loads of stories in the planning stages for years, realised life is too short and I need to get them written or I'll never get around to it!).
Thanks!
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As someone that writes for a living--right away, though a day or two is fine to clear your mind. If you are writing for purpose of selling, then you need an editor and a fresh set of beta reader eyes. Believe me, after getting lost in your story, you won't spot obvious mistakes.
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Believe me, after getting lost in your story, you won't spot obvious mistakes.
I second this. I find it hard to spot my own mistakes in my writing when I'm really caught up in story. I've looked back at some of the things I've written and seen the mistakes later and thought "How could I make such an obvious mistake and not catch it until now?"
Ponyfan
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constantly re reading and re editing. It doesn't always come out perfect but I'm slowly getting better
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constantly re reading and re editing. It doesn't always come out perfect but I'm slowly getting better
This pretty much.
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it totally depends on the author. For me, it depends on whether the story is stand-alone or part of a series. It depends whether I've been keeping a note file while I work. And it depends on where I am mentally--am I ready to think about revisions or am I still in a creative mind-set?
It also depends on what you are aiming to look for. Are you focused on developmental editing--overall plot and character design and whether that works throughout your work--or are you at a stage where you are more focused on line editing to fix grammar, writing flow, spelling, word choice, etc.? If you can already see things that you may want to change about the story, I'd advise starting a file and noting them so you can come back in a week or two, re-read your work, compare it to your notes, and see if those changes still fit. If its more nuts-and-bolts you want to edit, distance is your friend and I also agree with ClosetAvalanche that you're going to need to get it looked at eventually.
Good luck!
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Thanks everyone. Have saved all your comments on a pdf and will read through them again later! When I've finished, what I'll do is give it a spelling and grammar check, and leave it until I know I've run out of plotline ideas to add to it!
Eventually I'm looking at publication, but before then I'm doing a few uni courses, possibly an MA at some stage, so am wanting to get as many of my ideas down as possible in some order, not just scribbled notes and chapters in random notebooks! Hopefully on my courses I can get some editorial feedback on some of it, then I will know if it is worth continuing.
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Thanks everyone. Have saved all your comments on a pdf and will read through them again later! When I've finished, what I'll do is give it a spelling and grammar check, and leave it until I know I've run out of plotline ideas to add to it!
Eventually I'm looking at publication, but before then I'm doing a few uni courses, possibly an MA at some stage, so am wanting to get as many of my ideas down as possible in some order, not just scribbled notes and chapters in random notebooks! Hopefully on my courses I can get some editorial feedback on some of it, then I will know if it is worth continuing.
With publication, it's usually the publisher that pays for the editor, beta reads, cover, ect. Some advice for new writers, don't trust 'publishers' that want you to pay for various services. Legit publishers foot the bill for everything, which is why they take so much of your royalties. If you go the self-pub route, you will have to pay for everything yourself. I self-pub and contract out editors, proofreaders, cover artists, ect.
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With publication, it's usually the publisher that pays for the editor, beta reads, cover, ect. Some advice for new writers, don't trust 'publishers' that want you to pay for various services. Legit publishers foot the bill for everything, which is why they take so much of your royalties. If you go the self-pub route, you will have to pay for everything yourself. I self-pub and contract out editors, proofreaders, cover artists, ect.
Interesting, thanks! I've heard the world of publishing, self-publishing, and all that 'Vanity publishing' business is a bit of a minefield, according to the internet. Well done to all writers here above, it isn't as easy as people thinks! Or thunk.
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I'm not published because my daughter can do that when I'm dead, but I proof read asap and again a few days later. I've got an 18 gallon tub full of stories. :)
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I write stories for fun, and go back to edit each section perhaps a week or so after I've finished it. There's not much point editing straight away, I've found.
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With publication, it's usually the publisher that pays for the editor, beta reads, cover, ect. Some advice for new writers, don't trust 'publishers' that want you to pay for various services. Legit publishers foot the bill for everything, which is why they take so much of your royalties. If you go the self-pub route, you will have to pay for everything yourself. I self-pub and contract out editors, proofreaders, cover artists, ect.
Interesting, thanks! I've heard the world of publishing, self-publishing, and all that 'Vanity publishing' business is a bit of a minefield, according to the internet. Well done to all writers here above, it isn't as easy as people thinks! Or thunk.
Ugh, yes. I laugh at the people who make comments like "I'm going to write a book so I can become rich". Finishing the book is hard and don't let anyone tell you differently. I normally write 60k novels in 3-4 weeks but I'm doing this as a living. Basically, I have to write as much as possible as soon as possible. Then add on that I self-publish. To get a typical 60k novel ready for publishing, it costs about 500-600$. But in my opinion, if you're experienced and know what you are doing, you will make more self-publishing than going through publishers. Last year I made less than 5k from my publisher. This year, I've already surpassed 20k from self-publishing. Even with the expenses, I'm far ahead doing it on my own. I write in the romance genre so I can't speak for children's books, but it is something to think about. Basically, publishers=less royalties and control of your work for more safety. If the book flops they take the hit. Or self-publishing=more money but more risk. I know several authors that are hybrids and do both.
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Publishers can help you get your name out there, right? Then self publishing would be easier? I let select people read what I right to critique, but have no intention of publishing.
ClosetAvalanche, what's your nom de plume?
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constantly re reading and re editing. It doesn't always come out perfect but I'm slowly getting better
This pretty much.
Agreed. :)
I write for fun (though I do still intend to be published eventually.) However, when I'm about to work on a new section/chapter, I usually re-read the previous section to edit and make sure it flows into the next section. If I'm referencing something that happened in an earlier chapter, I'll probably read and edit that one, too.
I also usually go through a major read-through and edit multiple times as I'm working through the story. Sometimes, I'll do this if I can't think of what I should write next but feel like I should write something. At least then, it'll give me a clearer view of where the story is going. :)
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This is a very interesting thread, thanks people!
I've finished my first draft, (24, 576 words, over twice as long as my uni dissertation, which I didn't finish, which was a bit embarrassing at the time!), printed it out, and have put to one side. If I feel like writing in the next week, I'll go and finish off something else I've started.
Then when I go back to my story, I'll spellcheck, then read it from beginning to end, checking chapters follow each other properly. Then later make any other edits and any changes, then leave it again. I know I'll need to do a little at a time or I'll be overwhelmed!
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I worked in publishing for several years (though this was back in my college years, so I'm a little out of date lol). Now I write children's books, but I have a lot of social anxiety so I have never considered the self-publishing route. I couldn't possibly try to convince people to buy my books! I can barely talking to people! Haha that's just me, though. Self-publishing works for a lot of people. Congrats on your success ClosetAvalanche! I think that's amazing.
It's so funny, I remember back in my publishing house days, it was SO anathema to talk about self-publishing! It was considered the lowest of the low, and it was always said that if you were trying to get a publishing house to consider your work, you would never tell them you self-publish! But that was years ago and now it's much more accepted, especially since Amazon.com and other sites are set up to help people self-publish in the 'right' way. :) The 'hybrid author' (who sometimes goes with a publishing house and sometimes self-publishes) is becoming more and more common to see. In fact I attend a panel about hybrid publishing at the last lit convention I attended, so people are definitely talking about it. It's not the 'black mark' that it used to be!
In answer to your initial question, GazeboMouse, I'm going to say that on average, it's three months you should wait before you pick up your manuscript to read with 'fresh eyes' as they say. But like everyone here, I agree that it's up to you. Everyone writes differently. But out of all the advice I've picked up from professional authors through either their blogs, their facebook pages, or book that they've published about their writing process, three months is the one I see stated most often. It seems to be the most widely agreed time frame that seems to work for the largest majority of writers. Three months allows the intense focus you feel while writing the first draft to fade a little. I mean, you won't forget everything in three months, no, but it won't be so close to the forefront of your mind so that you might be able to give the story a little breathing space and be able to consider some different approaches.
I would say the next best step after you've waited and let the story breathe a little and then done some self-editing is to find a writing group where you feel safe sharing the story with others, and getting their feedback. Usually sharing with family members isn't as helpful because they're just going to say "Oh it's great!" Same thing with close friends. But a writing group will give you advice on parts of your story that you didn't consider. Only after you've done the self-editing process many times, and had someone other than a family member give you some more feedback, only then should you consider the manuscript ready to send to a publisher. They will have in-house editors to help you edit the story further, but you're not going to get in front of the eyes of a publishing house editor unless your manuscript is as good as it can possibly get on your own.
(Another funny story: at our publishing house we would always brace ourselves for December and February because those were the two months we would get a deluge of really not-so-great manuscripts. December would be the month people finished a manuscript in November during NaNoWriMo and immediately sent it in to a bunch of publishers without even reviewing it, and those were horrible. Only slightly less horrible would be the February deluge where, presumably, the writers would finish their novel in Nov and then wait exactly three months and review it once and then send it off. ;P )
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It's so funny, I remember back in my publishing house days, it was SO anathema to talk about self-publishing! It was considered the lowest of the low, and it was always said that if you were trying to get a publishing house to consider your work, you would never tell them you self-publish!
Made me laugh thinking of somebody walking along, head hanging in shame, people moving away from them as if they've got some infectious disease, publishers whispering to each other as they pass
'They've SELF-PUBLISHED', you know!!!'
I will take all advice on board, thank you.