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Title: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Jorgito93 on March 05, 2016, 06:08:01 PM
So i'm watching G1 episodes, and i really like it.I just watched The Glass Princess and this episode wasn't like the others, it left me bored.Porcina is ridiculous, i mean seriously, a pig that looks like a character from the CDI Zelda games that want to turn Ponyland into glass so she can see herself everywhere?What?Not to mention the end when she's just like "well i'm being bad, and being bad is not good, so i should be good now".To add to this, i found some strange-looking frames and characters changing that made me question if the team behind it really cares (yes i know this is to sell toys, but others episodes where so much better).The only thing i liked was Shady (because her thinking she's useless really touched me, i was just like her not so long ago).
These frames are just...I don't know how and why they did that:
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I don't know how they made Heart Throb look like that :
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And this...Lickety Split and Paradise looks bland like they are going to eat your soul:
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Then Paradise transforms into Posey:
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And Surprise decided to join, because why not?
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But i didn't made this topic to cry on a G1 episode.Being bored by the episode, my toy story infected mind became to think another story...For me,this episode is the imagination of 3 G1 ponies being beat up by some boys.This is how it went in my mind:
So there is Heart Throb, Lickety Split and Gusty, three happy little pony toys owned by a girl (represented by Megan).The girl plays with them (the pony olympics), then she leaves these three there.After that, three boys (the Raptorians) come and steal them (the kidnapping with a net).They take the ponies to their home,where their sister (Porcina) tells them to wreck these ponies because she's jealous of their owner.So the boys begin to paint them silly (the part where the Raptorians put make up on them), and decide to finish them by cutting their hair(the same thing happens in the episode).The ponies know that after that, the next step is the trash,so they imagine what happened in a more epic way to forget the reality(mostly the part where their hair grows back).From now on they are totally in their illusion, they don't see the reality anymore, so when their owner comes to take them back, all they see is Megan and the other ponies saving them and Porcina turning good (or maybe the other girl becomes good and friend with their owner,this part isn't clear in my mind).Their owner takes them back with her in the poor condition they are,and everything is fine...
This wasn't supposed to be serious, just what my mind does sometimes when i have too much imagination.
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: LadyMoondancer on March 05, 2016, 06:24:15 PM
The animators 100% did not care, they were animation studios who churned out massive amounts of animation for Sunbow and made lots of hilarious animation errors along the way.   Like, one Optimus Prime would be holding something up and a second Optimus Prime would run out and catch something. To be fair, I think it would be hard to stay enthused about a job that consisted of "draw something, then draw the same thing in a slightly different pose, then draw it AGAIN in a slightly different pose" and so on.

Although I think the Heart Throb shot there was done for comedy's sake.

Anyway, I too often think about how an episode could be changed or improved.  It's half the fun!  ;)
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Jorgito93 on March 05, 2016, 06:27:47 PM
The animators 100% did not care, they were animation studios who churned out massive amounts of animation for Sunbow and made lots of hilarious animation errors along the way.   Like, one Optimus Prime would be holding something up and a second Optimus Prime would run out and catch something. To be fair, I think it would be hard to stay enthused about a job that consisted of "draw something, then draw the same thing in a slightly different pose, then draw it AGAIN in a slightly different pose" and so on.

Although I think the Heart Throb shot there was done for comedy's sake.

Anyway, I too often think about how an episode could be changed or improved.  It's half the fun!  ;)
Yes some transformers one are epic..Like the optimus without a mouth, the autobot soundwave or the giant ironhide and tiny ratchet.But yes, i know that they didn't care:i'm just sharing what i was thinking because it seemed funny to me.
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: autieluna on March 05, 2016, 06:29:31 PM
While the cheesy plot of the episode doesn't bother me at all in a young children's show, as soon as you described a 'vain pig' I just KNEW her character design would be fat. Sigh...... (where now a lot of cartoons just don't include diverse character designs at all, it seems like all the 80's cartoons managed to show the artists could do it, but only ever for villians, like in Strawberry Shortcake, etc)

Very creative on your part, though! Not used to happy endings on these kinds of theories, and it's a very nice change.
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: LadyMoondancer on March 05, 2016, 06:50:45 PM
Or in the TF episode "Fire in the Sky", Skyfire was supposed to start out as a Decepticon and then become an Autobot.  Those poor, confused animators.  Skyfire had a purple Decepticon insignia one minute, a red Autobot insignia the next, then a RED Decepticon insignia . . .
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Tak on March 05, 2016, 10:36:32 PM
I rarely see the mistakes. I'm too busy being an excited little kid again. :blush:
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Ponyfan on March 06, 2016, 01:29:48 AM
I agree with LadyMoondancer. The animators didn't care about the mistakes. Here are some more funny ones.
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Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Ninox on March 06, 2016, 01:39:53 AM
While this episode wasn't one of my favorites, there are still some parts about it that I like.

For one, this episode features an (initially) evil princess, which throws a wrench in the "queens=evil, princesses=good" idea that (if I recall correctly) was why Celestia's title wound up being "Princess" rather than "Queen" in FIM. I also can relate to Shady on some level. (Hmm...why does it always seem to be Earth ponies that have these kind of self-esteem issues?)

I don't think there was a single overt fat joke made throughout the episode (yes, Porcina is pretty big, but to be fair, pigs aren't exactly known for being svelte), and Porcina doesn't magically become "truly beautiful" at the end, either -- she just stops becoming overly obsessed with her appearance and gains a group of friends who accept her regardless of her looks.
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Lilja on March 06, 2016, 01:57:52 AM
It seems to me like the plots and characterizations of these '80s toy cartoons were often written with children's play patterns in mind. So I don't think you're off in your interpretation. This story in particular feels like something a child would make up.

I do cringe at the hair cutting scene. It seems... evil somehow. As if it was written to inspire children to cut their ponies' hair. Then they'd be disappointed when the hair doesn't grow back instantly and beg their parents for new ones. More profit for Hasbro!

The Heart Throb anime face is pretty funny and unexpected for a cartoon from this era. And I think this is the only time in the cartoon we get an indication that these are so soft ponies. :)
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: autieluna on March 06, 2016, 03:13:21 AM

I don't think there was a single overt fat joke made throughout the episode (yes, Porcina is pretty big, but to be fair, pigs aren't exactly known for being svelte), and Porcina doesn't magically become "truly beautiful" at the end, either -- she just stops becoming overly obsessed with her appearance and gains a group of friends who accept her regardless of her looks.

I'm quite happy to hear this  :)
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 06, 2016, 07:00:57 AM
Personally I liked the Glass Princess and I liked that Porcina was having second thoughts and decided to turn over a new leaf. The whole bratty, self-absorbed antagonist was a popular thing back in the 80s, (usually rich, preppy daddy's girls, or super handsome jock boys) but very few of them took the time to say, Hey woah! I'm being a real jerk! And make an effort to make amends to their victims.

I also love animation errors, they're fun to look out for.

I identified with Shady as a child too. Having very low self esteem and feeling you can never do anything right. I had her toy.


Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Lore-Lei on March 06, 2016, 09:29:17 AM
Welcome to my mindset, J.
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Malicieuse on March 06, 2016, 09:58:33 AM
People keep saying "the animators didn't care".
As an animator i think it is more of a case of "this show did not get the budget to fix things"

Errors happen on every production. Either the people working on it (meaning not just the animators. Animators do not color the animation.) did not get enough money or they did not get enough time to actually fix these errors.
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: hathorcat on March 06, 2016, 12:11:52 PM
I rarely see the mistakes. I'm too busy being an excited little kid again. :blush:

This for me too :) Its just about enjoying the cartoon...I can happily overlook any errors.
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Al-1701 on March 06, 2016, 01:08:11 PM
The issue with the animation was the same faced by many in the 80's.  The Real Ghostbusters DVD collection actually described the joy that was the animation process.  Animation scripts were written up in the U.S. and shipped to Japan and Korea where they had to be translated and handed over the staff at Toei and AKOM.  Then they had to animate everything by hand which was hard enough.  Then film was airmailed to the U.S. for quality checks, and if they had any complaints, they had to airmail them back to Asia for them to be done over again.  The quality control process was so costly and time-consuming, they let a lot of errors slide because correcting them wasn't worth it.

As for the Glass Princess, it's completely garbage.  I declared it the worst episode of G1 MLP when I reviewed the series.  It's boring, stupid, and insulting.  Basically everything bad My Little Pony is accused of being is from this episode aside from tea parties because there was never a tea party in this series.
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Taffeta on March 06, 2016, 03:43:50 PM
I rarely see the mistakes. I'm too busy being an excited little kid again. :blush:

This for me too :) Its just about enjoying the cartoon...I can happily overlook any errors.

I see the mistakes and love it all the more for them. The quirks are part of the magic for me. It's the same for me with all old cartoons. There are a couple of really hilarious animation moments in the Jem series, too, and it's precious.

It's because for me modern MLP and modern toys in general, and TV shows, and everything are too polished and perfect and not real enough. I liked the fact that these weren't perfect, because people aren't perfect either.

Plus who doesn't want to see one pony turn into another one randomly? :D

I have more issues with some of the characterisations, though, because of the clashes with the comics.
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 06, 2016, 04:46:38 PM
The issue with the animation was the same faced by many in the 80's.  The Real Ghostbusters DVD collection actually described the joy that was the animation process.  Animation scripts were written up in the U.S. and shipped to Japan and Korea where they had to be translated and handed over the staff at Toei and AKOM.  Then they had to animate everything by hand which was hard enough.  Then film was airmailed to the U.S. for quality checks, and if they had any complaints, they had to airmail them back to Asia for them to be done over again.  The quality control process was so costly and time-consuming, they let a lot of errors slide because correcting them wasn't worth it.

As for the Glass Princess, it's completely garbage.  I declared it the worst episode of G1 MLP when I reviewed the series.  It's boring, stupid, and insulting.  Basically everything bad My Little Pony is accused of being is from this episode aside from tea parties because there was never a tea party in this series.

Nonsense! Through the Door and The Ice Cream Wars were the worst of the bunch.
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Al-1701 on March 06, 2016, 05:01:14 PM
The issue with the animation was the same faced by many in the 80's.  The Real Ghostbusters DVD collection actually described the joy that was the animation process.  Animation scripts were written up in the U.S. and shipped to Japan and Korea where they had to be translated and handed over the staff at Toei and AKOM.  Then they had to animate everything by hand which was hard enough.  Then film was airmailed to the U.S. for quality checks, and if they had any complaints, they had to airmail them back to Asia for them to be done over again.  The quality control process was so costly and time-consuming, they let a lot of errors slide because correcting them wasn't worth it.

As for the Glass Princess, it's completely garbage.  I declared it the worst episode of G1 MLP when I reviewed the series.  It's boring, stupid, and insulting.  Basically everything bad My Little Pony is accused of being is from this episode aside from tea parties because there was never a tea party in this series.

Nonsense! Through the Door and The Ice Cream Wars were the worst of the bunch.
Through the Door was a bad car accident and the Ice Cream Wars was a Trump Rally.  "The Glass Princess" was like watching a adorable little puppy being drowned and "The End of Flutter Valley" was a zombie.
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Leave a Whisper on March 06, 2016, 05:03:52 PM
The issue with the animation was the same faced by many in the 80's.  The Real Ghostbusters DVD collection actually described the joy that was the animation process.  Animation scripts were written up in the U.S. and shipped to Japan and Korea where they had to be translated and handed over the staff at Toei and AKOM.  Then they had to animate everything by hand which was hard enough.  Then film was airmailed to the U.S. for quality checks, and if they had any complaints, they had to airmail them back to Asia for them to be done over again.  The quality control process was so costly and time-consuming, they let a lot of errors slide because correcting them wasn't worth it.

As for the Glass Princess, it's completely garbage.  I declared it the worst episode of G1 MLP when I reviewed the series.  It's boring, stupid, and insulting.  Basically everything bad My Little Pony is accused of being is from this episode aside from tea parties because there was never a tea party in this series.

Nonsense! Through the Door and The Ice Cream Wars were the worst of the bunch.
Through the Door was a bad car accident and the Ice Cream Wars was a Trump Rally.  "The Glass Princess" was like watching a adorable little puppy being drowned and "The End of Flutter Valley" was a zombie.

The End of Flutter Valley did drag on. I remember watching it as a kid and getting really bored, then getting up to go play.
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Taffeta on March 06, 2016, 05:36:37 PM
Ice Cream Wars was a seminal part of my childhood. It is a terrible episode with a very silly plotline, but I won't hear a word against it as it is a huge part of my nostalgia xD. For ages the only pony eps I had as a kid were Ice Cream Wars and Revolt of PE, so I have special feeling for both of them!

(Although Revolt of PE was much better and my favourite...)
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: LadyMoondancer on March 06, 2016, 05:43:58 PM
Flight to Cloud Castle had the worst moral, as the female elf was guilted into dating the whiny, vindictive male elf who had just threatened to let her and the ponies die because she didn't instantly jump into his arms.  Surely written by a not-so-nice "Nice Guy".

But if we're talking worst in terms of "this is torture to watch", it's got to be the Gizmonks episode.  Stupid plot and the worst song of the entire series.
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Al-1701 on March 06, 2016, 06:22:35 PM
The Great Rainbow Caper is a guilty pleasure of mine.  They make a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference.

I think Michael Reaves was trying to strike a middle ground between her just falling for her rescuer and leaving him in the dust.  Unfortunately Garth's behavior really doesn't justify her even considering a relationship.  Though, the two were already arguing like a married couple.

Ariel:  You didn't land the castle before you woke me?!
Garth:  Give me a break!  I was busy!

So, maybe they click on some odd level.

I found interactions between Heart Throb, Locket, and Twilight; the fact almost all of the episode happened in the air; and the use of elemental familiars to be the true highlights of that episode.  Michael Reaves gave the world of the ponies a much more exotic and expansive feel.  Something I wish existed in the current staff.
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Strawberry Swirl on March 06, 2016, 07:07:06 PM
If we're going to talk about animation errors, let's point out what I like to call "accidental alicorns!"

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Or in Truly + Cupcakes' cases- accidental pegasi.
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Other thing I hate about the G1 cartoons: the way the baby ponies talk.
NOBODY talks in broken English like that, not even little kids! "Ok, me try?!"
C'mon.
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: LadyMoondancer on March 06, 2016, 08:27:28 PM
I think Michael Reaves was trying to strike a middle ground between her just falling for her rescuer and leaving him in the dust.

But there is literally no reason for her not to leave him in the dust.  She never agreed to the Sleeping Beauty set up (it was her father's idea) and Garth is some delusional stranger who thinks she's his "true love" even though she has never met him before, ever.

They made a point of Porcina being selfish, but at least she wasn't like "Okay ponies, I turned against the Raptorians and saved you.  Now I demand that you all join my harem because you OWE ME. And if you don't then you are horrible and ungrateful."
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Al-1701 on March 07, 2016, 03:46:10 AM
Actually, once they were on the ground and Garth had a chance to think about it clearly, he was willing to just walk away empty-handed if that was what Ariel wanted.  It was Heart Throb who insisted, and all she said is she's open to the possibility.
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: achab1984 on March 07, 2016, 05:57:39 AM
I loved to watch them when I was a little kid. But now being an adult I cant stand watching one for very long. There are so many things that I see going on that are like " What!?" LOL 
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Wildshadow on March 07, 2016, 10:30:19 AM
What we missed in the Flight To Cloud Castle was the song that the ponies must have sang to Ariel and everyone before they walked off, because that was too quick. I'm very sure there was supposed to be a song but it some how got cut out, which I wish I had that part taped on my childhood tapes like the Hurry song on Glass Princess.

I LOVE the Rainbow Caper, which doesn't take a genius to figure out why XD

Omg wow! I like that idea of the three and the pig being brothers and sister and that whole idea of it being in the real world! XD I do think the cutting hair part is the reason my childhood Surprise has her bangs/for lock cut, heh!

I love all the episodes but sadly not Ice Cream Wars T.T never knew that episode existed until early 2000's so I never had the nastolgic reason to enjoy it D=
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Taffeta on March 07, 2016, 02:33:57 PM
There probably was a song. I have some Jem episode scripts (also Sunbow) and there are songs cited in there, some repeats and some other, that got cut out. One song appears on a first year doll tape even though it got cut from the episode and didn't appear till season 2. We all guessed where it belonged in the animation, and, sure enough, it's there in the script...

Since it's the same company, both animating and toy production, it seems likely that there was a planned song that got cut either in script stages or in production. Just, because MLP didn't come with song cassettes, and the script writers are not in contact generally with the fandom...we will probably never know.

(Though I think Christy may have written a pony ep. I ought to ask her if she has any information on the pony series, even though she wasn't a bible creator so maybe wouldn't...)
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Wildshadow on March 07, 2016, 02:49:02 PM
The MLP writer's guide was all about having a song in each episode, even to make a "on the previous episode" breaks if there was a second or more parts to a story.

Man I wish I could have some scripts to the MLP show, that would be awesome!

But yeah, I want to know the second cloud castle song and the one Megan was about to sing in the second Tambelon episode T.T because you know she was about to do one cause it started to get hopeful then suddenly nothing.
Title: Re: What my mind does when i watch some G1
Post by: Carrehz on March 07, 2016, 03:02:46 PM
The though tof those cut songs drives me crazy.. they have to be out there somewhere... especially the one from Tambelon! It builds up SO MUCH and then it just skips to the next scene.. @_@; And don't even get me started on "Hurry" - why the heck did they cut that?!

I like G1 for what it is, errors and all :) Sure, it may not have the best writing or be as "polished" as, say, FiM, but it's so much *fun*, haha.
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