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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: Ponyfan on January 23, 2016, 03:28:44 PM
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I think it's been a while since we had a thread like this. There were a lot of animation errors in the MLP series of cartoons. Here is one.
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Lofty has 5 legs.
Ponyfan
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I always notice that in Escape from Catrina, baby Surprise is an alicorn for a good chunk of the nap song.
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There are actually several cases of Alicornism in the G1 series. Wind Whistler, Fizzy, Galaxy (twice) were all drawn as alicorns at some points.
It was shots like that which were a nightmare for the animators because of all of the layering. I think the Lofty leg on the far right was originally going to be Heart Throb's but they had already made one and the colorist didn't bother to count legs. There was also the odd shape of Heart Throb's body. Drawing ponies on their backs and pinned by a bar must have been an incredible pain.
I also remember in Quest of the Princess Ponies the animator had given Locket normal eyes and the effects department tried to make up for it by making her irises sparkly.
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Wings! Wings for everypony!
Also in the Ice Cream Wars it is pretty hard to keep up with who is who, I think for example baby Lickety Split is chatting with herself at one point. :P
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While watching G1 recently there was a lot of vocal errors too.
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"The Quest of the Princess Ponies" also had a ton of errors. Primrose's tail is red. Wind Whistler and Locket swap bodies (and yet retain their original mane styles). And perhaps the most hilarious animation error of them all, it's the Moochick's chair that animated as going on the attack but everyone calls it a plant.
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I think you're right Al-1701. I bet Lofty's extra leg was supposed to be Heart Throbs. I thought when they went to the next episode and showed the ponies trapped in a different position it was because the animators weren't paying attention to the ponies being caught on their backs but maybe it was so hard to animate that they decided to put them in different positions for the rest of the time they were caught in the trap?
Here are a few more:
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Wind Whistler is purple
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North Star was caught in the net but in the next shot
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Working in the continuity department in those days would have driven anyone crazy!
I think the Lofty/North Star extra leg happened because they accidentally included the next layer of "in-between" with it. See the leg can move to a number of positions that are present in the frame - which gives us an extra two legs - because look, North Star has an extra one too. :)
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You also have to remember, this was being animated by hand with no computer assistance in Japan and South Korea with the QC department in the United States who had to receive everything by air mail. Sadly, some really obvious errors got through simply because it was too much of a pain to go back to do them all over again.
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I have to admit I think the errors are half the fun with the G1 cartoons. The ones where a character would talk with a different character's voice always drove me crazy. It even happened at least once in G3, you would think they would have learned over the years...
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You also have to remember, this was being animated by hand with no computer assistance in Japan and South Korea with the QC department in the United States who had to receive everything by air mail. Sadly, some really obvious errors got through simply because it was too much of a pain to go back to do them all over again.
Fun times, I know! It must be so much easier now that they can email files, but ugh! I can only dream of the pain when you received the work back and it was full of errors but nobody was going to pay for the labour twice. And with extreme deadlines, nobody has time to fix it!
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The errors can be fun but changing positions in the mousetrap is one that really bugs me. :)
I think in the Quest of the Princess Ponies at one point Wind Whistler and Locket say each other's line and call each other their own name?
I can see Hasbro/Sunbow not wanting to fix all of the errors due to cost also.
Ponyfan
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In Rescue at Midnight Castle when the other ponies are laughing at Firefly for crashing into Applejack's apples, Medley "becomes" Firefly, or is in Firefly's colors.
I think in the Quest of the Princess Ponies at one point Wind Whistler and Locket say each other's line and call each other their own name?
Ponyfan
It's been a while since I saw it, but yeah, I think that's what happened. It's funny to see, as it's like two mistakes in one.
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Oh wow, how did I never notice these most grievous errors? I always noticed the rampant mis-colorings, but I never saw any extra legs or wings when watching the show, and I watched these episodes on repeat when I was a kid (and usually I'm extremely detail oriented!). That's it: I'm sitting down to watch every episode to look for errors now.
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Working in the continuity department in those days would have driven anyone crazy!
Was there one? :lol:
As a kid I remember noticing the changing color ponies.
I've noticed though that other cartoons from that era are really bad too. Even Bambi I remember a baby racoon disappeared in the final scene where the animals are escaping the fire. I attempted to watch transformers and ninja turtles from the same time and I couldn't even watch them. I don't have nostalgia for those lines that can overcome the bad writing and animation. ;)
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I just watched Golden Horseshoes the other night and didn't catch the extra wings error or North Star's extra leg when caught in the net until I took the screencap. Once you notice them it's hard not to notice them. Lofty's extra leg really sticks out for me now in the mousetrap scene and she goes between 4 and 5 legs while they struggle.
I think most 80's animation had a lot of errors. I know in Jem the characters often changed outfits between shots or they gave a character the wrong hair color. I know in one scene Jerrica had blue hair which made it look like there were two Ajas.
Ponyfan
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It's like how (unless I imagined it/remembered it wrong) some robots would be "cloned" during the Transformers episodes I saw as kid. I'm sure that in one scene, when Starscream ordered the other Decepticons to follow him, you could see that one of them was a second Starscream...
It confused me as a kid, and now I see that it's simply an error.
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I looove these threads~
One that's in every episode: Magic Star as a pegasus, from the opening sequence:
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Two from "The End of Flutter Valley":
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(this one's hard to explain unless you've seen it.. when he raises his front paw, they forgot to erase the paw the arrow's pointing to. Similar kind of error to the multi-legged Lofty from "Bright Lights", I guess.)
Double Baby Lickety-Splits from.. I think "The Ice Cream Wars":
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And one of my personal favourites..
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Gusty with hands. XD
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There was also when Scourge said they should go rescue Galvatron, one of the Decepticons cheering this idea is Galvatron. "I want to help rescue me too!"
I totally made fun of the Gusty hands one when I reviewed the series.
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Great errors everyone. I wonder if Hasbro meant to have another pony in the opening and changed it to Magic Star at the last minute but forgot she was an Earth pony? How did I miss Gusty hands?
Ponyfan
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Fizzy! Perhaps the only known G1 alicorn!!
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Fizzy! Perhaps the only known G1 alicorn!!
Wind Whistler, Galaxy, and Baby Surprise all had times of being Alicorns. Galaxy was one twice.
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Fizzy! Perhaps the only known G1 alicorn!!
Wind Whistler, Galaxy, and Baby Surprise all had times of being Alicorns. Galaxy was one twice.
Tee hee! We're gonna need a lot more castles and princess crowns!
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A while back I actually made a compilation of the G1 alicorn errors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cShxge9NA4
What is ironic (especially considering how riddles with errors their episode was), we had no alicorn princess ponies. I think Serena was a pegasus on one occasion, but neither Tiffany nor Sparkle/Lilac sprout the other set of appendages.
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These are probably my favorites. North Star clones and blue-eyed Fizzy!
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Here's another good one. Heart Throb's neck disappears.
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Thanks for the link to your video AI-1701. :)
Ponyfan
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Lickety-Split: "You forgot a layer, Heart Throb."
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Lickety-Split: "You forgot a layer, Heart Throb."
:haha: :haha: :haha: That is so funny.
Ponyfan
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One of Melody's band members loses her face during a frame of "Battle of the Bands". So much for Melody "seeing your face again".
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I can be so oblivious to things...never mind as a kid, I am normally so caught up in things when I watch even as an adult I would miss these things.
However 2 x Baby Lickety Split has always been one of my favs :)
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I think you're right Al-1701. I bet Lofty's extra leg was supposed to be Heart Throbs. I thought when they went to the next episode and showed the ponies trapped in a different position it was because the animators weren't paying attention to the ponies being caught on their backs but maybe it was so hard to animate that they decided to put them in different positions for the rest of the time they were caught in the trap?
Lofty does have a fifth leg- if you look closely, Heart Throb's leg is barely visible behind Lofty's extra.
Post Merge: January 26, 2016, 03:30:42 PM
I think it's been a while since we had a thread like this. There were a lot of animation errors in the MLP series of cartoons. Here is one.
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Lofty has 5 legs.
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I meant that the line artists made two right hind legs for Heart Throb. They might have even been different positions for the animation. However, one of them was colored for Lofty. Then the people who aligned them saw it was a lofty leg and added it, and the third leg was placed because it was her original leg.
Again, this had to have been one of the biggest pains to make because of all the layers involved.
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Here's one from My Little Pony the movie. Baby Lofty is a unicorn instead of a pegasus
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Actually, Baby Lofty is TWO unicorns. You can just make out the second one coming into frame.
My Little Pony the movie, to meet its breakneck production schedule, hired a lot of Toei's cheapest animators. I think communications broke down completely at some point.
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Here's one from My Little Pony the movie. Baby Lofty is a unicorn instead of a pegasus
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It might be an error but how cute is baby lofty as a unicorn ^.^
Ponyfan
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Actually, Baby Lofty is TWO unicorns. You can just make out the second one coming into frame.
My Little Pony the movie, to meet its breakneck production schedule, hired a lot of Toei's cheapest animators. I think communications broke down completely at some point.
I see the 2nd Baby Lofty now also.
Ponyfan
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I've been watching the complete series on DVD over the past couple days.
One of my favorite errors is in Bright Lights. The sheriff of Muensterville apparently suffered from a major identity crisis. First, he was a large-built sheriff. In multiple later scenes he became a skinny villager, and at the end he's the big sheriff again. It's just bizarre, because it was a massive change in appearance and it occurred numerous times.
On http://www.mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Bright_Lights#Errors, it says he actually adopted several personas throughout the episode, so I'll have to watch it again.
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Gusty with hands will live in my nightmares.
And YES, I totally remember the mouse sheriff who changed from episode to episode! With each new episode segment they gave him a different appearance.
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I love when characters just disappear and are replaced by others with no logic, for exemple in the movie when they climb a mountain half of the cast changes.Also in The glass princess there's some cool stuff too:
Paradise changes into Posey, because why not?
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Then Surprise found that it was fun, so she decided to join in too, again, why not?
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My Little Pony the movie, to meet its breakneck production schedule, hired a lot of Toei's cheapest animators. I think communications broke down completely at some point.
I've read somewhere that Toei only animated the witches segments while the rest of the movie was animated by AKOM (a Korean studio which isn't exactly known for great quality). I have no confirmation for this, but I'd believe it. When we're with the witches the art often looks better and the movement is more fluid (just like it was in the first two specials, which were completely animated by Toei). The witches also look more on-model when they're at the volcano of gloom, compared to when they're interacting with the ponies in their environments.
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No idea why they decided the witches deserved better animation though.
And yeah, I noticed the mouse character changing models in Brights Lights. That was impossible to miss, even as a child! XD
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I was looking into that as well. I think the issue was Sunbow and Marvel had a massive workload this year. Full seasons of Transformers, G.I. Joe, My Little Pony 'n Friends, Jem, and three movies. AKOM had been taking over animation duties since the previous year. I think due to their rush, they split the duties. There are some pony segments that were better animated as well (you can tell because the Twinkle Eyed Ponies had actual gems in their eyes). And having two studios working on something at once probably led to even further communication breakdowns especially if the original notes were written in Japanese and now had to be translated into Korean.
The Toei/AKOM continued into the series too. That is why episodes varied wildly in animation quality. I'm still not which studio was responsible for the "bare arms" bushwoolies.
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There are some pony segments that were better animated as well (you can tell because the Twinkle Eyed Ponies had actual gems in their eyes).
Interesting! I'll have to look into that. I'm pretty sure the smooze song was animated by Toei. It has the same feel to it as other witch scenes (and this song number is probably the most visually impressive part of the movie). And even if we only get glimpses of the ponies during it (what is it with this movie and its heavy focus on random woodland creatures over the ponies?) they seem to look slightly different compared to how they look for the rest of the movie.
Of course, there were many different artists from both animation studios working on this, so the look of the characters will vary somewhat either way. But the Toei stuff still feels a lot more consistent. Telltale signs AKOM animation seem to be off-model art, jerky movements and characters who seem to be made out of rubber and lack bone structure. And a whole lot more animation errors. :lol:
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In Glass Princess, Molly's mouth moves while Shady is talking. I love looking for stuff like this in 80s and 90s cartoons. Its fun.
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haha I remember even noticing these as a kid! :D But it's part of what makes it so charming to me
I remember one --- - can't think of it -- in the Magic Horseshoes. Something about either Buttons or Mimic. I'll have to watch again tonight and see if I can catch it.
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In Crunch the Rock, the proto-Geodudes move their lips while Buttons talks and moves her lips.
In the Magic Coins, there was also a point where Molly moved her lips, but there was no speech at all. It's like either they forgot to add the audio clip (judging by the lip movement I think she was saying "Thank you"), or someone got the wrong memo.
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In Glass Princess, Molly's mouth moves while Shady is talking. I love looking for stuff like this in 80s and 90s cartoons. Its fun.
Yep. I was watching that episode yesterday.