Yes, the G1 babies have always had symbols. (They weren't called cutie marks back then.) Except for some versions of Ember. I'm not sure why she didn't. As you pointed out, even the newborns and teeny tinies have symbols. :)
When my sister and I played with our ponies, we thought it was too embarrassing and made no sense that a pony should be born with a babyish symbol -- say, a bottle or a baby rattle -- and then have to grow up and keep that humiliating symbol
I think it would be a bummer if Baby Surprise had to answer to "Baby Surprise" her entire life and constantly get mixed up with her mom, ha ha!I actually changed "Baby" to "Little" in my works. When I included colts in this system, they have "Junior" after their name.
I think Ember was the very first baby pony? I also agree with Haruna that they seemd to be going for the "your symbol appears when you discover your special talent" but by the time Hasbro produced the other Baby Ponies they decided they were born with a symbol. I wish Hasbro would have remembered Ember and showed what her symbol was and her talent.There's a version of Ember with a star as her symbol. She doesn't appear to have a backcard story, so there's no real clue as to what it could mean, if you want symbols/cutie marks to have meaning. I don't think the storytape mentions anything about it, but it's been a while since I heard it (on YouTube).
Ponyfan
There's a version of Ember with a star as her symbol. She doesn't appear to have a backcard story, so there's no real clue as to what it could mean, if you want symbols/cutie marks to have meaning. I don't think the storytape mentions anything about it, but it's been a while since I heard it (on YouTube).Oh yeah, the one where the villain is a wig maker who wants to steal the Rainbow ponies' manes and tails to make wigs for rich people in...New York City.
Pace Cowboys: "New York City?"
Maybe all the babies with "baby-ish" symbols go on to work in daycares. :P
The "make a baby look just like mom" was a pretty brilliant marketing tactic. I remember flipping OUT when Moondancer, my favorite pony, had a baby pony released. My mom ended up getting her for me as a "prize" for finishing swimming lessons.
At the time I didn't question at all why she looked like a tiny clone of mom. Kid logic!
I'll be honest, as a kid I never ever linked the symbols to talents or really special abilities (except for Gusty and Fizzy since those two I vividly recall one of the G1 episodes/movies that had Gusty call wind and Fizzy creating magical bubbles during a song to trick one of the witches XD).
I think this thinking was due to ponies having names more related to their symbols, think about it. Dancing Butterflies I always felt got her name due to her butterfly symbol (though recently I did read her card information on My Little Wiki but still I will more or less link G1 symbols with G1 names)
At the time I didn't question at all why she looked like a tiny clone of mom. Kid logic!Then the Brits told us they come from a magic mirror.
When my sister and I played with our ponies, we thought it was too embarrassing and made no sense that a pony should be born with a babyish symbol -- say, a bottle or a baby rattle -- and then have to grow up and keep that humiliating symbol, so we would pretend that as they grew into slightly older baby ponies they got a more mature symbol which they then kept all their lives.
I think Ember was the very first baby pony? I also agree with Haruna that they seemd to be going for the "your symbol appears when you discover your special talent" but by the time Hasbro produced the other Baby Ponies they decided they were born with a symbol. I wish Hasbro would have remembered Ember and showed what her symbol was and her talent.There's a version of Ember with a star as her symbol. She doesn't appear to have a backcard story, so there's no real clue as to what it could mean, if you want symbols/cutie marks to have meaning. I don't think the storytape mentions anything about it, but it's been a while since I heard it (on YouTube).
Ponyfan
http://www.mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Ember%27s_Dream (http://www.mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Ember%27s_Dream)
I noticed the newborn and baby ponies already have cutie marks, are they born with it?
I'll be honest, as a kid I never ever linked the symbols to talents or really special abilities (except for Gusty and Fizzy since those two I vividly recall one of the G1 episodes/movies that had Gusty call wind and Fizzy creating magical bubbles during a song to trick one of the witches XD).
I think this thinking was due to ponies having names more related to their symbols, think about it. Dancing Butterflies I always felt got her name due to her butterfly symbol (though recently I did read her card information on My Little Wiki but still I will more or less link G1 symbols with G1 names)
I noticed the newborn and baby ponies already have cutie marks, are they born with it?
Sorry, but I have to say it. G1 ponies don't have cutie marks, they have symbols, or, in hasbro's official terms, rump markings. Cutie mark belongs to G3 and G4. Not to G1.
Onto the main subject, some lines of thought here.
#1 It depends on how ponies are considered to be born. Take for example the My Little Pony UK comic. In issue 1 is the infamous story of baby ponies coming from the Magic Mirror. Later in the sequence, the original Newborn Twins first come about with a mix of Baby Lucky and co's drawings and baby Lucky's Happy Go lucky Friday 13th magic bringing them to life. So ponies do not have to be "born" in Ponyland, and it makes sense that, if they are created from magic, they might have particular features at that point of creation.
#2 BORN ponies. The only ponies we can say for sure are "born" are the twins that come with Surprise Twins Pony (my sister calls them Itsy and Bitsy). They are officially 'born' and they do not have symbols. That would make the case that actually born ponies (as opposed to magically created ones) are not born with symbols.
#3 In response to names and types of symbols, this makes me think of mediaeval Japanese culture and the trend of changing names as individuals reached certain points in their life. For example, there's a famous warrior, Yoshitsune, and that is how everyone knows him, but he was called Ushiwakamaru as a small child, then Shanaou I believe as an adolescent, then he had his coming of age ceremony in which he was given the name Yoshitsune, and then, at the end of his life, I believe he had changed his name again because the Regent's name was Yoshitsune and it was a mark of deference to do that. So people's identities were fluid. I see Baby Ponies in a similar vein. Who's to say that symbol and name stay the same throughout a pony's lifespan?
#4 Alternatively, baby ponies are actually past versions of the adult ponies in some kind of weird ponyland timewarp. Maybe that explains coming through the magic mirror; they're actually coming through a time gate from the past into the present, where they already exist as adults.
As for why 3/4 Embers have no symbol, I think that is just one of those genetic variations. Rainbow Magic (RC Ringlet) also has no symbol. She has stars beneath her wing and her wings are rainbow coloured, but nothing that Hasbro could rightly term a "rump marking". Pocket Friends ponies also have symbols on one side, but not on both. There are variations in this style across the G1 line, which would be in keeping with the variations that occur in the real world with different types of person and their particular features.
We also played that Baby Moondancer was Moondancer as a child, not Moondancer's filly.
I didn't know all this theory about the magic mirror and it really makes sense!
I didn't know all this theory about the magic mirror and it really makes sense!
The story is actually on my site on this page:
http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/mlp_comic.htm
The first story uploaded under 1985, it's a zip file :)
I didn't know all this theory about the magic mirror and it really makes sense!
The story is actually on my site on this page:
http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/mlp_comic.htm
The first story uploaded under 1985, it's a zip file :)
That's cute.. But they should have at least given the babies different names.. So like, Firefly's baby is called Baby Firefly... Will Baby Firefly be called that even when she's grown up..? Or will there be two Fireflys? :what:
I didn't know all this theory about the magic mirror and it really makes sense!
The story is actually on my site on this page:
http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/mlp_comic.htm
The first story uploaded under 1985, it's a zip file :)
That's cute.. But they should have at least given the babies different names.. So like, Firefly's baby is called Baby Firefly... Will Baby Firefly be called that even when she's grown up..? Or will there be two Fireflys? :what:
Maybe "Baby Firfly" isn't an actual name. Maybe it's the same as calling them "baby Smith" or "baby Jones". And then later they get their own actuall names.
To be honest, I never actually thought about it much as a child.
In the comic, Baby Lickety-Split and FT Baby Lickety-Split are SEPARATE ponies. They even appeared together in one story with the claim that they're cousins.
Ah yes . . .In the comic, Baby Lickety-Split and FT Baby Lickety-Split are SEPARATE ponies. They even appeared together in one story with the claim that they're cousins.
Ah, yes . . .
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Ah yes . . .In the comic, Baby Lickety-Split and FT Baby Lickety-Split are SEPARATE ponies. They even appeared together in one story with the claim that they're cousins.
Ah, yes . . .
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I didn't know all this theory about the magic mirror and it really makes sense!
The story is actually on my site on this page:
http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/mlp_comic.htm
The first story uploaded under 1985, it's a zip file :)
That's cute.. But they should have at least given the babies different names.. So like, Firefly's baby is called Baby Firefly... Will Baby Firefly be called that even when she's grown up..? Or will there be two Fireflys? :what:
Maybe "Baby Firfly" isn't an actual name. Maybe it's the same as calling them "baby Smith" or "baby Jones". And then later they get their own actuall names.
To be honest, I never actually thought about it much as a child.
Lol. I call my baby Firefly 'baby Dragonfly' :happy:
I didn't know all this theory about the magic mirror and it really makes sense!
The story is actually on my site on this page:
http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/mlp_comic.htm
The first story uploaded under 1985, it's a zip file :)
That's cute.. But they should have at least given the babies different names.. So like, Firefly's baby is called Baby Firefly... Will Baby Firefly be called that even when she's grown up..? Or will there be two Fireflys? :what:
Maybe "Baby Firfly" isn't an actual name. Maybe it's the same as calling them "baby Smith" or "baby Jones". And then later they get their own actuall names.
To be honest, I never actually thought about it much as a child.
Then we shall call them Dr. Jones! Or maybe Firefly the II. I mean a knew a girl who had her mother and grandmother's name.
I didn't know all this theory about the magic mirror and it really makes sense!
The story is actually on my site on this page:
http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/mlp_comic.htm
The first story uploaded under 1985, it's a zip file :)
Ah yes . . .In the comic, Baby Lickety-Split and FT Baby Lickety-Split are SEPARATE ponies. They even appeared together in one story with the claim that they're cousins.
Ah, yes . . .
visitors can't see pics , please register or loginShe's Lickety-Split, she's Lickety-Split, you're Lickety-Split, and I'M LICKETY-SPLIT. Are there anymore Lickety-Split's I should know about? Sorry I had too :silly:
I didn't know all this theory about the magic mirror and it really makes sense!
The story is actually on my site on this page:
http://www.etherella.com/scrapbook2/mlp_comic.htm
The first story uploaded under 1985, it's a zip file :)
Dangit Taff, don't you know the only thing right and factual about MLP is whatever came from the USA and whatever is going on with G4 right now!! You can't throw out some UK comic stuff from the 80's and explode everybody's brain cells like that. (grin :lol:)
And how long, exactly, have you known me? *innocent*
Though in seriousness, the pony comic ran weekly or fortnightly for eight years. There were many more opportunities to insert all kinds of information that the TV show didn't. For example, Twinkle Eyed ponies as jewel mine slaves. We also had Merry Go Round ponies from the "Whispering Whirligig", Mountain Boys from Misty Mountain and such.
The biggest irony of the magic mirror is that the ponies it highlights weren't sold here. If it had been Blossom, Cotton Candy or Applejack, even Bow Tie, fine - but Glory and Firefly, who weren't sold here, and nor were their babies.