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Title: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: LightingElectricDream on September 22, 2015, 09:45:03 AM

So first off I wanna say that this is purly an opinon and I do not mean any ofence by it nor am I trying to touch a posable Touchy Topic. Not to anger anyone or upset anyone by this.
But..
I do not feel like mlp is about Ponies any longer to an extent.
I am seeing all these dolls and just feel like it dosen't much make mlp
Ponies anymore.
Back then in the beginning this would never fly turning mlp into human.
Even tho they did add a molly and magan to the ponies but did not turn a pony into a human.
I just feel like it's looseing it's charm.

But then again I am a old schooler  :P
And maybe sundance is a Magan in human form
I don't know..I try to be open minded
 :ohyeah:

Title: Re: I just kinds feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: DazzleKitty on September 22, 2015, 10:08:56 AM

I can see where you are coming from. While I do like some of the stuff the G4 line has, it has nothing of the charm the G1 line has, IMO. It's becoming less and less ponies and more gimmicks and dolls. I hope if there is a G5 they become more like G1 or G3 was.....actual ponies and variety. Or heck, even like G2. G2 had a decent variety as well, even though it's not my favorite line (but I still do like it).

I won't lie......I hate the Equestria Girl dolls. :(

Title: Re: I just kinds feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: MilkyTaroMochi on September 22, 2015, 10:14:49 AM

I dont hate the EG dolls, but I will say that compared to other dolls lines that likely have "spoiled" me, I just cant get into them.

So I do see what you mean. Nowadays I see more shelf space for the dolls than the actual ponies. I guess the EGDs sell more than the brushable figures?

Title: Re: I just kinds feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Rainbowrific Renia on September 22, 2015, 10:16:56 AM

Monster High and Ever After High are HUGE with little girls and collectors right now, so it only made sense that Hasbro would jump on that bandwagon and use a recognizable brand to ensure its success.  While I didn't understand the move at first, it makes so much sense now why My Little Pony would be tied to their doll line.  MLP is very recognizable and, whether people like it or not, G4 brought ponies back into the spotlight. When it comes right down to it, Hasbro is a company, and like most companies, they care most about how much money they can make.  Considering Equestria Girls will now have 3 movies and the dolls are showing no signs of slowing down, I'd say they made the right choice.

I do agree with you though, I definitely like the ponies more than the dolls (Chrysalis is the only EqG doll I own and likely the only one I'll EVER own). I enjoyed the first two EqG movies for what they were, but in my head they have absolutely nothing to do with the show itself. Like... an alternate universe or something, I dunno.

I also say this as someone who doesn't just enjoy brushable ponies (I know there aren't many of us on this forum), so between the plushies, Funko figures, blind bag sets, etc. as far as I'm concerned, there are still LOTS of ponies out there. I'm actually very thankful for Funko because that just gives me more ponies to collect, seeing as the main Hasbro toy lines focus heavily on the dolls anymore. I also love the blind bag sized pony sets that are being released, because I hate blind bags, but giving them new poses and sets to put them in makes them more interesting.

Another problem is that Hasbro has made no effort to move away from the same poses and such for their brushables. Even with gimmicks like Cutie Mark Magic, it still makes them very boring.

Title: Re: I just kinds feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Taffeta on September 22, 2015, 10:28:45 AM

I don't disagree in one sense. I like the EQG Dolls but I don't really see them as ponies; I also don't collect or follow G4 in that big a way as ponies, so maybe I separated them in my mind. I loathed Megan, with a vengeance, as a child and I still do, really. It's probably all jealousy that she got to go to Ponyland, but she and Sundance were the one set I never wanted as a kid because Megan was a doll - a blond doll - like Barbie).

The thing is, this is not and has never been totally about MLP. It was a predictable step to be honest, and Rainbow Rocks just confirmed it. My Little Pony isn't just about My Little Pony any more. It's also about reclaiming the Jem space that Jem could not hold onto back in the 1980s.

EQG dolls therefore are a hybrid between Hasbro's MLP concept, and Hasbro's Jem concept, rolled into one. When they first came out,  the Jem list I'm on actually had a full discussion on this and all of us made jokes that the next thing would be they'd start a band, have a contest and so on. Guess what? A year later, Rainbow Rocks happened. Anyone who's ever seen the original five Jem eps or even Truly Outrageous can't help but see the parallel between the ending of Rainbow Rocks and the first clash between Jem and the Misfits in the old cartoon. Rainbow Rocks has a school setting, and magic is involved, whereas Jem had holographic technology to perform her 'effects', but there is still a striking similarity. Like Jem and the Holograms, the Mane 6 are ensconced away from the Battle of the Bands, which the Misfits/Dazzlings look set to win. Like Jem and the Holograms, the Mane 6 perform at distance and disadvantage and win the crowd to them, and away from the Misfits/Dazzlings.

So I guess it really isn't just MLP any more. G4 has borrowed bits from G1 but also from other Hasbro series and toys.

It doesn't really bother me though that it's that way. G1 is My Little Pony to me. Everything else is a reinvention of the line anyway - EQG Dolls are just the latest in that line.

Title: Re: I just kinds feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Sweet_Stuff on September 22, 2015, 10:35:59 AM

I agree with you / hold a similar opinion.

Yep, old school here...hehe.  :P :satisfied:

I understand the other side though.

Title: Re: I just kinds feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Majesty on September 22, 2015, 10:46:16 AM

I agree and feel the same way.  It should be about ponies but it seems since lots of other companies are doing either just dolls or humanoid dolls they feel the need to compete.  All they're thinking about is money.  I think Equestria Girls are OK.  I mean, I'll watch the movies but I'm not a huge fan.  I would rather see ponies in the toy aisle than dolls.

Title: Re: I just kinds feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Malicieuse on September 22, 2015, 10:59:39 AM

I don't feel as if the EQG dolls took much away from the pony toys. The pony toys were getting kinda "meh" even before those dolls got released. To me G4 doesn't feel like older gens because of how "pop cult-y" it has gotten.

Title: Re: I just kinds feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Majesty on September 22, 2015, 11:12:16 AM

Quote from: Malicieuse on September 22, 2015, 10:59:39 AM

I don't feel as if the EQG dolls took much away from the pony toys. The pony toys were getting kinda "meh" even before those dolls got released. To me G4 doesn't feel like older gens because of how "pop cult-y" it has gotten.

I agree with this too.  But, when I go to the toy aisle for MLP (which is hardly ever anymore) I see 90% equestria girls, and the rest are pop figures and the brushables that are there are the the same old ones I see everywhere.  That may be why I've lost interest in G4 merchandise.  I still watch the show but that's about it.

Title: Re: I just kinds feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: banditpony on September 22, 2015, 11:25:33 AM

Brands change/evolve with time. :) but I get what you mean

Its not like its all non pony.

I would of liked eqg when I was little. I hated megan because she was human. But anthro ponies? I would of loved it. It is just on the edge of not human.

I also would of loved blind bags and those pops

Title: Re: I just kinds feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: achab1984 on September 22, 2015, 12:08:26 PM

I am feeling the same way anymore. It had sometimes because of how the ponies were when I was growing up as a child! I love the G1 ponies and always will!  There are not to many that I have to have right now!

Title: Re: I just kinds feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: SkyCakes on September 22, 2015, 01:18:13 PM

I guess I agree with what people are saying. I never really got into the equestria girls. I saw maybe one movie it didn't click with me. I never thought of the dolls being a part of the same line just a separate thing from the ponies. Oddly I can collect strawberry shortcake but I really can't get into dolls as much as I used to as a child.

Title: Re: I just kinds feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: HoustonCollector72 on September 22, 2015, 01:30:56 PM

I was not liking the EQG at first, but now I have few of them .
I do like them a lot ,the movies are very cool as well ,but it is totally understandable that many people won't like them,or care for them, but I do welcome their spin off of the MLP into EQG, many people will come to find MLP through EQG , there are many ways for people to find MLP and fall in love with it, and I see  EQG as just another way to get to the MLP world.
I found MLP through the MLP FIM show and here I'm collecting G2,G4,some G3s and few G1s and EQG :)

Title: Re: I just kinds feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Sakuyamon on September 22, 2015, 01:32:25 PM

Myes, I find it strange that it feels as if Hasbro is focusing on the dolls when it's the ponies that are popular.

Title: Re: I just kinds feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Jupetto on September 22, 2015, 01:42:17 PM

Not a real fan of the dolls either. And here in the Netherlands, you have much greater quality dolls from Monster High/Ever After etc for about the same price. I'm not sure how popular EQ is with children, but I have the feeling ponies are generally more popular too.

Title: Re: I just kinds feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: ladybastilla on September 22, 2015, 01:56:09 PM

If I'm looking for ponies, I'm looking for ponies. If I'm looking for dolls they're likely gonna be MH or one of the more fairytale inspired lines (Haven't made my mind up if I wanna get some EAH or Descendants yet. Can't choose!) I want different things from both. EQG tries to be both and for me kinda fails at being either.

I don't necessarily think that EQG is made for people who want ponies--much less G1 ponies--though. To be honest I think many of us have a different kind of bond with G1 and that even if Hasbro tried to replicate it that might not actually work for us the way we think it would. And more importantly, would it work with their current market: today's kids? Sure adults have more money, but kids are (usually) the target for toys and to me there's always something odd about a parent trying to live vicariously through their kids by trying to push certain toys on them. (My cousins went through this with Barbie and for them that made 'em hate it.)

Just a few thoughts. :)

Title: Re: I just kinds feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: MilkyTaroMochi on September 22, 2015, 03:02:25 PM

Quote from: Jupetto on September 22, 2015, 01:42:17 PM

And here in the Netherlands, you have much greater quality dolls from Monster High/Ever After etc for about the same price.

Which is actually why I cant see myself buying any more of them, other than the one EqG doll I had (Target Exclusive Pinkie).
For example, I remeber back when the Novi Stars dolls first came out, and the first thing I thought of when I saw their price tag was "They want $20 for a small (in comparison) doll that you can't "really" pose? For that price, I'd better off buying a MH doll - at least they are poseable with articulation and bigger."  And this coming from someone that has no problem shelling out $30 - $50+ on anime figures that are around the height as (or smaller than) the Novis were.

So in a lot of ways, I feel the same about the EqG dolls, at least when they first came out. I am not sure on how their quality is nowadays, and if they added more articulation beyond knees and elbows.

Truthfully, I am kinda surprised that EqG is still around, although I honestly think if it werent for the fact they are part of MLP, they would have gone the same way as Novi Stars, Pinkie Cooper, ect.

Title: Re: I just kinds feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: zombienixon on September 22, 2015, 03:32:26 PM

Just because it's different than what you had during your childhood doesn't mean it's not the same brand. They're both toys of brightly colored ponies with symbols on their butts.

I have to ask, is it really so big of a deal that some of them have molded hair? In a lot of cases, I prefer the look of brushable hair, myself, and it avoids issues with paint quality on the hair, but there are a lot of ponies with molded hair that look great, too. I don't see how that makes it 'not a real MLP' just because you can't brush its hair.

Not to mention, getting the hair to look nice is really tedious and time consuming. After getting a big lot from Goodwill, I remember spending hours every day for weeks getting their hair fixed up.

I don't really see Equestria Girls as a threat to the main MLP line, either, since they're aimed at two different market segments, and a slightly older demographic. Some kids like MLP and like playing with dolls, or maybe they're more into dolls and this is a way to get them to like ponies.  I do wish they'd introduce as many new characters with the ponies as they did with the dolls, but that's out of my hands.

As for the blind bag sets, I'm still amazed people are complaining about it just because they're molded figures. Because let's be honest, if these were all brushables with the new playsets, we'd see a lot more excitement about it... except then they'd likely be priced more than most of us are willing to pay. As they are they're at a pretty good price for some fairly nice-looking toys that were made with a unique mold that's likely to never be used again. They're a great deal better than the facades that came with the early G4s.

And It seems like a lot of people are glossing over a lot of the nice G4 stuff that's come out (like the Canterlot Castle and Rarity's Boutique playsets and the Power Ponies) just to harp on the fact that there aren't many new characters made as brushables.  It annoys me, too, when I see a cool character design in FiM and know that the only way I'll have one on my shelf is to have a custom made of them. But I don't let that ruin G4 for me, since there's also a lot I can look forward to.

I think the thing that gets me the most is saying 'x is not really x' because it's not exactly the same as it was. My Little Pony was introduced over 30 years ago. A lot can change over that amount of time, and each generation is a product of its own time, and can never be duplicated. It can maintain certain core characteristics, but it will be different.

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Shadoweon on September 22, 2015, 04:19:17 PM

Although I watched the first Equestria Girls movie and it was more tolerable than I expected it to be, I don't like the dolls at all.

They look like ugly Monster High rip-offs and just are not appealing at all. I thought the point of MLP is it was a series of toys/dolls that aren't human/humanoid?

Howver I think MLP is still itself,there are lots and lots of regular pony stuff. I can't see that changing anytime soon.

As for molded hair ponies- I love them. They are the main thing I collect! I can't really maintain or style the hair of the brushables properly. That is part of the reason why I got rid of all my G3s.

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: PeachyPie on September 22, 2015, 04:42:31 PM

I'm a die-hard G1 girl. Anything other than that I just don't feel like it's MLP. I might be living in the past, but it's nice here....
 :good: :silly:

Title: Re: I just kinds feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: HoustonCollector72 on September 22, 2015, 05:00:22 PM

Quote from: Sakuyamon on September 22, 2015, 01:32:25 PM

Myes, I find it strange that it feels as if Hasbro is focusing on the dolls when it's the ponies that are popular.

  well , there is more money on the dolls market :)
basic dolls retails for 12, basic pony for 5 :)
that is why they need to release all of the basic ponies on the FS size  15-16 dllrs ,but we have so few of them on this size :(

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Al-1701 on September 22, 2015, 07:18:56 PM

I feel like the investment has been moving away from brushable ponies.  A lot of it is going into Equestria Girls which has have at least as many characters as the brushables.  I feel the approach of brushables is a defeatist attitude.  They don't invest in the line with new characters and poses, kids aren't interested because of the lack of variety, they don't see the reason to invest in it.

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: LightingElectricDream on September 22, 2015, 07:47:59 PM

Quote from: PeachyPie on September 22, 2015, 04:42:31 PM

I'm a die-hard G1 girl. Anything other than that I just don't feel like it's MLP. I might be living in the past, but it's nice here....
 :good: :silly:

It is nice there, I love all thoese pastel worlds! Lol we will have to go back in time and be friends.

But as far as liveing in the past just as a personal prefrence
Even my music is 60's and 80's

But even so die hard G1 fans sometimes tend to scratch thair head some things this is just mine. I do not hate G4 or dolls I just can't relate the brands
As one same thing.

It's sorta like I work around a lot of old folk and
I dyed my hair pink reasently and some of them hated it looked at me
And almost puked, asked me if I was stupid. Some wondered if I smoked O.o
Others loved it and wanted to dye thair hair pink too.

My point is that everyone sees things diffrently and some will love it some will hate it some don't mind. It's all ok and we are all intiled to our opinons and they are just who makes us who we are.

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Rainbowrific Renia on September 22, 2015, 08:01:21 PM

Quote from: LightingElectricDream on September 22, 2015, 07:47:59 PM

My point is that everyone sees things diffrently and some will love it some will hate it some don't mind. It's all ok and we are all intiled to our opinons and they are just who makes us who we are.

I love you for saying this.

I sometimes get this feeling from people who grew up with G1 that they hate anything not G1 and look down on those of us who don't absolutely love the first generation of ponies like they do. It's nice to have someone say "Hey, I'm not a fan of what you like/I don't get it, but that's okay!" without making it seem like their opinion is the only opinion that matters.

I guess I'm trying to say that you did a good job of not talking down to people who enjoy an aspect of My Little Pony that you don't enjoy. That makes it a lot harder for people to start unnecessary arguments. :iconclap:

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Pheasant on September 22, 2015, 08:10:09 PM

Quote from: LightingElectricDream on September 22, 2015, 07:47:59 PM

My point is that everyone sees things diffrently and some will love it some will hate it some don't mind. It's all ok and we are all intiled to our opinons and they are just who makes us who we are.

Quoted for truth. <3

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Pokeyonekenobie on September 22, 2015, 08:18:29 PM

My biggest frustration with G4 is the lack of unique ponies.  It's all about the Mane Six.  Lately it seems that all the new non-Manes are exclusives outside the US.  If you look at G1, there's one Glory.  There's one Whizzer.  There's one Bow Tie.  They weren't remade thirty times over and sold again and again.  It was rare to even have one re-released in a different year and when they did it, it was in the same pose and colors.  Twinkle Eyes weren't released as So-Softs, for example.  But the G4 Mane Six are released in every line they come up with.

Quote from: Al-1701 on September 22, 2015, 07:18:56 PM

I feel like the investment has been moving away from brushable ponies.  A lot of it is going into Equestria Girls which has have at least as many characters as the brushables.  I feel the approach of brushables is a defeatist attitude.  They don't invest in the line with new characters and poses, kids aren't interested because of the lack of variety, they don't see the reason to invest in it.

The reason kids aren't interested is because they already have 12 Applejacks, 17 Rainbow Dashs, 37 Fluttershys, 8 Raritys, 14 Twilight Sparkles and 1982398374986509387690128724098239072309487 Pinkie Pies.  Why would they want another one just because this one comes with a different colored comb?
The creators have done that to themselves.  I don't even mind that there are limited poses.  It's just that there are so many background ponies in the show (many of whom are featured characters after a while), there's really no excuse for them not giving us more of a variety in the toy line.  (Plus, as a customizer, it would be nice to have a larger variety of body colors to use so I didn't have to do full body repaints on everything.)

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: MilkyTaroMochi on September 22, 2015, 08:26:12 PM

The one thing I really missed about the start if the g4 line was that there were a good variety of pony brushables. Flitterheart, Honeybuzz, Diamond Rose, ect. I do like that Lily Blossom is still around, but she was one of the lucky ones (I guess it kinda helped that she looks like she is related to Bubbles/Muffins, as far as popularity goes).

Nowadays it seems they keep the new brushable characters in sets or not release them everywhere. *stares at a pic of Holly Dash and cries*

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: LightingElectricDream on September 22, 2015, 08:50:20 PM

Quote from: MoonbeamStar on September 22, 2015, 08:01:21 PM

Quote from: LightingElectricDream on September 22, 2015, 07:47:59 PM

My point is that everyone sees things diffrently and some will love it some will hate it some don't mind. It's all ok and we are all intiled to our opinons and they are just who makes us who we are.

I love you for saying this.

I sometimes get this feeling from people who grew up with G1 that they hate anything not G1 and look down on those of us who don't absolutely love the first generation of ponies like they do. It's nice to have someone say "Hey, I'm not a fan of what you like/I don't get it, but that's okay!" without making it seem like their opinion is the only opinion that matters.

I guess I'm trying to say that you did a good job of not talking down to people who enjoy an aspect of My Little Pony that you don't enjoy. That makes it a lot harder for people to start unnecessary arguments. :iconclap:

Well thank you so much!

And I belive that no matter what gen anyone likes we should all repecct eachother and eachothers opinons. And I am glad that we can all come here and share our ideas and opinons I mean that's why the internet was created not to bring navitive things but to share information.

I am glad that I have a grate comunity to come to everyday and be able to share my passing thoughts to. And with this comunity we have been able to share A LOT of knowlage.

And your comment to me was very heart warming.
Almost made me cry
 :sad:

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Honeycomb on September 22, 2015, 09:00:58 PM

Totally agree with you. I hate the dolls with a passion, and I will never in my life buy one. If I want a doll collection, I take out my old Barbies.
It's called My Little PONY for a reason, and I hate what Hasbro has been doing recently.
I even wish we could have a separate forum here so that all EQ dolls topics can just disappear from my eyes.

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Babydoll on September 23, 2015, 12:42:53 AM

Quote from: PeachyPie on September 22, 2015, 04:42:31 PM

I'm a die-hard G1 girl. Anything other than that I just don't feel like it's MLP. I might be living in the past, but it's nice here....
 :good: :silly:

My thoughts exactly :biggrin: although I don't collect them G2 have grown on me! I was also saddened when they made MLP into dolls as I found Megan & Molly annoying as a child (in the G1 movies anyway). :lol:

Babydoll~

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Taxel on September 23, 2015, 05:21:21 AM

I totally agree. I stopped collecting G4 years ago because the quality issues just got to be too much to deal with, not to mention the tons of main 6 everywhere. It seems like neither problem has been sorted out so no wonder the ponies are doing well.

I wanted to like Equestria Girls because mostly I collect dolls, but even for dolls they're just... bad. Compare them to pretty much any other dolls on the shelves and its no contest. Hasbro wanted to cash in on the doll hype without bothering to put in the time and effort in. Compared to the super popular lines like MH, EqG look like dollar store fakie type dolls. Kids (and collectors) aren't stupid... they can tell the difference between all the great details in MH and the complete lack of any effort in EqG.

Don't get me wrong, if you like EqG that's totally fine. As dolls of ponies they're okay, and repainted they can be absolutely adorable. But they're nothing compared to what Hasbro is trying to compete with.

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Wardah on September 23, 2015, 08:27:49 AM

Quote from: Taxel on September 23, 2015, 05:21:21 AM

I wanted to like Equestria Girls because mostly I collect dolls, but even for dolls they're just... bad. Compare them to pretty much any other dolls on the shelves and its no contest. Hasbro wanted to cash in on the doll hype without bothering to put in the time and effort in. Compared to the super popular lines like MH, EqG look like dollar store fakie type dolls. Kids (and collectors) aren't stupid... they can tell the difference between all the great details in MH and the complete lack of any effort in EqG.

Actually it's more like Hasbro saved all their effort for the deluxe dolls. My Rockin Hairstyle EG dolls are as nice as any of my MH dolls. I will admit tho that Mattel tries to put effort into even their cheapest MH doll while the basic EG dolls are lower quality.

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Aflame on September 23, 2015, 03:19:25 PM

if i could have the production values of the G4 cartoon with the G1 characters  it would be so good i only have the main ones from the g4 series but no EQG a few g3s but most of my collection is G1 so old school here to

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Al-1701 on September 23, 2015, 03:42:36 PM

Quote from: Aflame on September 23, 2015, 03:19:25 PM

if i could have the production values of the G4 cartoon with the G1 characters  it would be so good i only have the main ones from the g4 series but no EQG a few g3s but most of my collection is G1 so old school here to

I would love, love, love to write that.  If only I wasn't so tepid (and Hasbro's legal hoops so daunting).

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Pinkie21 on September 23, 2015, 04:59:26 PM

I'm with you.  I have pretty much given up any hope that My Little Pony will ever be "My Little Pony" ever again.  Honestly, I blame the mini-figures for that, rather than the EG dolls.  Because of the obsession with "show-accuracy". 

Title: Re: I just kinds feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Wind~Whistler on September 23, 2015, 06:21:50 PM

Quote from: MilkyTaroMochi on September 22, 2015, 10:14:49 AM

I dont hate the EG dolls, but I will say that compared to other dolls lines that likely have "spoiled" me, I just cant get into them.

So I do see what you mean. Nowadays I see more shelf space for the dolls than the actual ponies. I guess the EGDs sell more than the brushable figures?

Yup! When I went to my trip to Mexico, there was a WALL of EG dolls but, literally, only five ponies DX

I don't hate the dolls, but this is getting ridiculous. Hasbro needs a reminder that its "My little PONY" not "My. Little Weird Humanoid"!

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: stopxmotion on September 23, 2015, 07:43:32 PM

I don't even like the ponies very much. A lot of toys now have weird proportions, lots of make-up on dolls, giant eyes, etc. Most of the time I think it's funny looking, not cute.
As for the dolls, I can't comment since I hardly know what they look like beyond a picture here and there. I'm not a doll collector. Even as a child I didn't want human dolls, only animals.  :biggrin:

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Al-1701 on September 24, 2015, 12:29:37 PM

One thing that I fear is Friendship is Magic will consume My Little Pony from the inside out because it's currently popular.  That these characters will become the be all and end all of its existence.

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: MoondancerMilkyWay on September 24, 2015, 05:27:36 PM

I don't know man. What if the  hokey pokey *isn't* what it's all about?

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: mlp4me on September 24, 2015, 05:33:23 PM

I'm old school. I like ponies as ponies. That's why they're titled My Little Pony (and friends). Hasrro just doesn't seem to want to cater to those of us that would like to see G1 inspired ponies released again. Yes, we get random bits of merchandise with similar images, and the anniversary sets, but it's not the same as getting a fresh new pony or two every few months. But we could go on and on and on about this... and we have many times.

We need to remember there's a reason why they're called Equestria Girls (because they're more human-like). Are they my cup of tea, no. It would be nice to walk down the toy aisle and see more variety in ponies represented (getting this core 7 feel like G3 before it fizzled...). I honestly don't go out of my way to look at dolls or G4's at this point.

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Baby Sugarberry on September 24, 2015, 05:43:26 PM

I think my mum's first reaction on seeing a G4 sums it up nicely.
"Are you collecting toy deer now too?"
*Tells her that's a MLP*
"... Are you sure?"

Mmmyep.  :awake:

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: LightingElectricDream on September 24, 2015, 06:08:33 PM

Quote from: Baby Sugarberry on September 24, 2015, 05:43:26 PM

I think my mum's first reaction on seeing a G4 sums it up nicely.
"Are you collecting toy deer now too?"
*Tells her that's a MLP*
"... Are you sure?"

Mmmyep.  :awake:

 :haha:

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Al-1701 on September 24, 2015, 06:16:20 PM

Bad design is bad.

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: LightingElectricDream on September 24, 2015, 06:40:59 PM

Quote from: Al-1701 on September 24, 2015, 06:16:20 PM

Bad design is bad.

 :haha:

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Pokeyonekenobie on September 24, 2015, 09:54:57 PM

Quote from: Baby Sugarberry on September 24, 2015, 05:43:26 PM

I think my mum's first reaction on seeing a G4 sums it up nicely.
"Are you collecting toy deer now too?"
*Tells her that's a MLP*
"... Are you sure?"

Mmmyep.  :awake:

My first thought was that they looked like weird mice.  The G4 design had to grow on me before I liked it, to be honest.

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: sugarberry84 on September 26, 2015, 05:46:41 AM

Same to me... I´m very nostalgic.
The only "proper" Ponies for me are G1... ;)

- I don´t like G2! :(
- G3 are looking very nice but don´t have any appeal to me.
- G4 are so terribly small and there are some very strange characters....

And now these dolls.... They are looking so creepy! :(

It´s my opinion. I don´t want to attack anyone! ;)

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: plushroo on September 26, 2015, 09:25:23 AM

I feel G1 was the best of the 4 generations. I'm not just saying that because I grew up with that generation, but if you think about it, G1 ponies had more creativeness and thought put into them. Toy horses with symbols on both sides and a ribbon you can use to decorate the hair. G2's weren't that memorable where I lived so I hardly got to see them 'til years later. G3 was nice, but it didn't have the same thought as G1 had. And G4 ponies look like deer or malnourished horses more than ponies. If they were more like Faust Friendship is Magic show, they would be pretty cute! I actually find myself buying blind bags more because of this feature. Wish it could extend to the brushables. As for the EG... Well, I'm not going into how I don't care for dolls. I think Hasbro has stretched this out further than they needed to. It seems like the line is starting to jump the shark, but that's only my opinion.

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Al-1701 on September 26, 2015, 09:27:20 AM

There's something something about G3 ears that gets me, especially the animated versions.  They're too wide at the bottom and come to too sharp of point at the top in the cartoon (fortunately the actually toys have less of a point).  G1 ponies have these cute, simple ears that might not be as accurate bit look pleasing both in toy and cartoon form.

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Lore-Lei on September 26, 2015, 10:45:27 AM

Yeah, noticed that too. To be honest though, I actually like these 'piggy ears' they have, they don't look as solid as in other gens.

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Al-1701 on September 27, 2015, 09:11:43 AM

I still think G1 has the best ears.  Though, they have the best everything design wise.

G4 brushables are so far removed from the designs we see in the show.  If you're going to the trouble to make a mold, why can't you make it right?

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: otocolobus_manul on September 27, 2015, 09:21:38 AM

I like G2 and G3 designs the best. Imo, they're the only ones that looked like actual horses. G1 and G4 have a certain charm to them, though.

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Lore-Lei on September 27, 2015, 11:35:30 PM

Quote from: Mrbrightsky on September 27, 2015, 09:21:38 AM

I like G2 and G3 designs the best. Imo, they're the only ones that looked like actual horses. G1 and G4 have a certain charm to them, though.

Agreed wholeheartedly. Also G3.5 is adorable as wel in my opinion, the animated ones at least.

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: FullMoonFever on September 28, 2015, 07:53:03 AM

I have to agree.  To me the only MLPs' are the G3 and before.  I really dislike the new ones.  I'm also not a fan of anime, and that's what they remind me of.  I admit to having ONE single G4 pony, a water thingy Diamond Mint.  Reason why?  She's interesting and in my fave colors, she's not displayed prominently, but she is somewhere in here.

~Jenn

The eyes on the new ones, ugh, waaaaaaay too big. 
Equestria Girls.. no thank you.  I really don't like humanoid dolls of any kind.  Too weird.
I don't even watch that show.  I saw maybe three episodes and instantly hated it.

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Chelsea7 on September 28, 2015, 12:28:04 PM

I have been following My Little Pony since I was a kid, although I'll admit I missed out on most of G1 due to being born in 1993...

I had a few G2's when I was really young, and then when G3 came out I started buying them in mass bulk. But then as I got older my "gotta-be-cool" side reared its ugly head and I kind of abandoned collecting the ponies for a while. G4 is what got me back into my love of MLP,as I really like the show, but I find that I don't really want to collect the figures from the series. I don't know exactly why, but I feel like the ponies aren't really ponies. They don't physically look like ponies to me, they just kind of look like these cute little animals with bright coloration and symbols on their butts. I have a few of the rarer G4s like Honeybuzz and Blossomforth, as I did try to get into collecting them, but I stopped. I still follow the show, as it genuinely entertains me, but the collecting side has no appeal. Plus, and I know that other members have stated this, there is no variation in the brushables! They all look the same, just swapped symbols and color patterns! It's so boring to me! And I am the type of collector who likes figurines that actually have size to them, not the little blind bag things.

As I have recently begun collecting ponies again, more seriously, I chose to focus on G1 because they actually look like ponies, at least to me. Plus they are (I think) the largest figurine generation for My Little Pony, aside from G3.
I was obsessed with real ponies as a kid, and I find that Hasbro has taken a rather non-pony approach to how they style their MLPs today. This kind of bums me out...

Also, EqG is okay, but I was never into Barbies as a kid, so the human doll thing has never appealed to me. But good lord Hasbro, I look at the character designs from the movies and compare them to the dolls on shelves, were you guys even trying?

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Al-1701 on September 28, 2015, 02:10:58 PM

To me, the G1 ponies are the most pony-like (their body shape is reminiscent of a Shetland pony) with some alterations to make them a little cuter while keeping them unmistakably ponies.  G2's have more horse-like proportions but the nose, oh that permanently scrunched up nose.  G3 returned to a more pony-like body, but the ears just get me.  G4 doesn't even look like an equine; and the toys have all the wrong proportions to their pointy noses, massive eyes, bulbous heads, and tiny bodies.

Hasbro, there's stylized and then there's the point you've defeated the purpose of calling them ponies anymore.

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: ringwraith10 on October 01, 2015, 03:28:38 PM

Quote from: Taffeta on September 22, 2015, 10:28:45 AM

I don't disagree in one sense. I like the EQG Dolls but I don't really see them as ponies; I also don't collect or follow G4 in that big a way as ponies, so maybe I separated them in my mind. I loathed Megan, with a vengeance, as a child and I still do, really. It's probably all jealousy that she got to go to Ponyland, but she and Sundance were the one set I never wanted as a kid because Megan was a doll - a blond doll - like Barbie).

The thing is, this is not and has never been totally about MLP. It was a predictable step to be honest, and Rainbow Rocks just confirmed it. My Little Pony isn't just about My Little Pony any more. It's also about reclaiming the Jem space that Jem could not hold onto back in the 1980s.

EQG dolls therefore are a hybrid between Hasbro's MLP concept, and Hasbro's Jem concept, rolled into one. When they first came out,  the Jem list I'm on actually had a full discussion on this and all of us made jokes that the next thing would be they'd start a band, have a contest and so on. Guess what? A year later, Rainbow Rocks happened. Anyone who's ever seen the original five Jem eps or even Truly Outrageous can't help but see the parallel between the ending of Rainbow Rocks and the first clash between Jem and the Misfits in the old cartoon. Rainbow Rocks has a school setting, and magic is involved, whereas Jem had holographic technology to perform her 'effects', but there is still a striking similarity. Like Jem and the Holograms, the Mane 6 are ensconced away from the Battle of the Bands, which the Misfits/Dazzlings look set to win. Like Jem and the Holograms, the Mane 6 perform at distance and disadvantage and win the crowd to them, and away from the Misfits/Dazzlings.

So I guess it really isn't just MLP any more. G4 has borrowed bits from G1 but also from other Hasbro series and toys.

It doesn't really bother me though that it's that way. G1 is My Little Pony to me. Everything else is a reinvention of the line anyway - EQG Dolls are just the latest in that line.

I never thought about it like this, but it sounds like you're right -- this must have been intentional on Hasbro's part! I know they're trying to bring Jem back, too, but right now Jem's resurgence doesn't seem to be doing as well as we all hoped it would.

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Al-1701 on October 02, 2015, 03:13:38 AM

Considering the trailer to the movie was enough to enrage fans, I'm not surprised Jem is having issues (Thanks, Sony, you brainless hacks).

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Leave a Whisper on October 02, 2015, 02:12:41 PM

I thought EQG was meant to compete with Monster High and Ever After dolls? Jem might make a comeback if Hasbro didn't hand off there franchises to movie directos who have cow dung for brains.

I've noticed something...interesting. Odd number gens have a more classic look while even numbered are highly stylized.

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Shimmer Mist on October 02, 2015, 07:53:59 PM

I'll be the first to admit that it does seem as though they have let their brushables fall by the wayside.
Perhaps giving into the "Main Six" hype and pumping out slight variations of the same characters over and over because "Everyone loves them!" might not have been the best idea. Parents (and fans) stopped buying them because of the lack of variety. I'm sure this has happened more times than can be counted in the last year or so:

Child:  Mommy, can I have a new My Little Pony?
Mom: Okay, Sweetie. Let's see what they have.
Child: I want this one!
Mom: You already have 6 Rainbow Dash toys just like this one. I'm not buying the exact same toy for you anymore. Maybe when we find that "Lightning Dust" pony want want so much I'll buy it for you.

Like any brushable fan I'm a bit bummed there isn't a huge variety anymore but it's not like they've abandoned them entirely. Things even seem to be getting a bit better, too. Also, it's not like EQG is ever going to become MLP as a whole. Brushable ponies will always be the core of the brand because that what MLP IS; colorful plastic horses with hair you can style, and silly images branded butts. Hasbro is just experimenting with the brand in a way that's a bit different than they have in the past because they have more revenue to do so thanks to its popularity. In the past the experimental ponies consisted of Drinkn'Wet , Beddy Bye eyes, Surprise Twins Mommy, and those baby-doll typed "Newborns" all of which I think are equally as weird (and perhaps more terrifying) than EQG or Pop! ponies. I feel that simply stating "it's not MLP anymore" is no different than saying "This ruined my childhood".

I also think you're looking at it the wrong way, the weird experimental stuff is raking in cash. It's doing well which means it's making money and that's a good thing. It's all going to the same place at the end of the day regardless of whether it's coming from brushables or spin-offs. It's still money being made by the brand as a whole. Ultimately how well it's doing financially is the only thing that's going to keep brand alive and worth Hasbro's time. MLP is alive and kicking for the foreseeable future. Also, when Hasbro decides to reinvent their assets MLP's current success will most definitely have an influence on which brands they will choose. MLP has to keep making money for us to keep getting new toys for us all to collect. The fact that it's thirty years old has little to do with it. G.I. Joe has been around for a LOT longer but it's got one foot in the coffin. If it's going to be a financial misadventure every time Hasbro tries to pull it out of the grave it sadly won't be worth their time to try anymore. If G4 wasn't the least bit successful who knows what would have happened. Didn't 3.5 tank? The latter half of G3 was pretty slim, too, right? G2 didn't last very long in the U.S, either. Although I'm not sure if that was due to poor sales. Basically if the brand was dead and buried then we'd never get a chance to see more ponies that look more like horses or a "return to G1".

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Al-1701 on October 03, 2015, 04:38:39 AM

G.I. Joe is suffering from war fatigue like it did in the 70's.  Hasbro might as well put him on indefinite leave.

And the worry here is Hasbro is losing the sense of My Little Pony's brand identity.  Color ponies with hair you can brush is what makes it My Little Pony.  All the different gimmicks in G1 maintained that except for a couple of very small lines.  Brushables in G4 have been marginalized with a lack of variety, lack of access, and unneeded gimmicks.  Hasbro is making money, but at what cost to the brand long-term?

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: rtattles on December 11, 2015, 09:05:04 PM

Quote from: Al-1701 on October 03, 2015, 04:38:39 AM

G.I. Joe is suffering from war fatigue like it did in the 70's.  Hasbro might as well put him on indefinite leave.

And the worry here is Hasbro is losing the sense of My Little Pony's brand identity.  Color ponies with hair you can brush is what makes it My Little Pony.  All the different gimmicks in G1 maintained that except for a couple of very small lines.  Brushables in G4 have been marginalized with a lack of variety, lack of access, and unneeded gimmicks.  Hasbro is making money, but at what cost to the brand long-term?

I wouldn't say all brushables are marginalised. The only ones that seem like it is getting zero updates are mainly the singles. It would seem like the single brushables make them the least money. They need to root hair, give it accessories and they can only charge you $4.50 for one. The blind bags use waaaaay less plastic. The method of production is probably way easier and cheaper too, and it costs a whopping $3.29 where I live, and $5.95 for those sold on cards with accessories.

I actually wouldn't mind if they remade G1s and sell them for $6-8 a piece since it's pretty much what I pay buying off ebay anyway. Our Target here charges $6.99 for a single brushable pony here which is insane. When I visit upstate New York, the Walmart only charges $4.95 for one.

We still get the water globe ponies and recently my TRU started selling the pegasi version with water globe wings. There's also Maud Pie and Daring Doo. I know the new stuff are not very exciting. In fact, the new Twice As Fancy ponies should be named Thrice TOO Fancy.

I don't buy much G4 anymore. They are predictable, not aesthetically pleasing, and just doesn't have the "presence" of a G1 pony. It's like you hold it in your hand and it feels like NOTHING! Most of the time, the hair overwhelms the whole body. I stopped liking the cartoon because it's getting lame and the latest episode, Cutie Re-Mark was plain strange. I wouldn't say the G1 cartoons were any more intelligent, but at least I enjoyed the art.

G1s are still the apple of my eyes. It's good I came over to study with only 20 ponies, so in a way, I get to restart my collection all over again. Not to mention, I have a few pony-enablers around me. lol

I have a strange relationship with G2s. I was always OKAY with them, owned quite a few, but recently I kept trying to buy them off ebay. I wouldn't say I love the way they look, but in some ways, I feel very nostalgic about them to the point where I miss having them around. Seabreeze is still by far my fav G2 next to Petal Blossom. They did make up a bulk of my teenage years. I was from Singapore, and we never got G2s there. G2s did not exist on our MLP timeline. My sister schooled in Australia at that time, she brought me some whenever she came home to visit on summer breaks.

G3s were fun at the beginning because they resembled the G1s, and they had all these exclusives and all. The chase was exciting, but the ponies themselves weren't all too interesting for me. I would say I was in for the hype and not the ponies. Once the hype wore out, I went straight back to my G1s. Like some of you, I didn't like the ears. I hated symbol on one side. I didn't like that they seem to have a big head on a smaller thin body. The poses were awkward. From the way some of the G3s were posing, man, I feel tired for them just by looking at them. The necks always turn at a very odd angle. Moreover, they weren't great quality. I had ponies I bought brand new and they discoloured after a year or two. It was very disappointing and heartbreaking.

I did like G4s at the beginning because 1) they took up less space, and 2) they look like pixies. Then the whole Brony movement took it to a whole new level. The first year was great. I loved them with the little animal friends. The Wedding theme was tolerable. I think the whole FiM ship sank for me when Twilight turned into a princess alicorn. That completely tipped the pot over for me. The last episode with Starlight Glimmer was like watching a pony Butterfly Effect. It might have been okay if it was contained within one episode. They were stretching it with 2. The cartoon and the designs are getting very weird and flat for me.

I'm actually okay with EQG. I don't loathe them, yet I don't care much for them. I got a few in a lot, but wasn't crazy over them. I must say I really hate their ears, especially where they are positioned. Why do they have cat's ears growing out of their back brain?

I personally don't think EQG is doing well anymore. They are filling up all the stores around me. Marshalls, TJ Max, Burlington....etc and they're all going for like $10 clearance. Walmart was clever enough to clear out some at $13 before the prices dipped. Meanwhile Target, Kmart and TRU still charge like $15 for a single and $22 for a deluxe special. I will never pay those prices to get one of those for my niece. I got my housemate's daughter a DJ Pon3 at Walgreens for $13. She said she loved the doll because of the Rainbow Rocks movie, but she only had fun with it for 3 days. She started losing accessories from day 4 and the doll was naked by the end of the week. Er... never will I buy her an EQG again. For the $4.95 single brushables, she at least takes them into the bath tub with her everyday.

Title: Re: I just kinda feel like My Little pony isen't MLP anymore..
Post by: Loa on December 11, 2015, 09:33:26 PM

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