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TCB => Trader & Shipping Support => Topic started by: robinharper on February 07, 2015, 06:30:39 AM
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Hello,
I hope I have the right thread here. I have a problem with a person who was interested in buying My Little Pony from me. However when I refused to accept her offer, she tried to blackmail me and when I pointed out to her that I don't sell to blackmailers, she started a campaign against me causing me to have a bad name amongst Dutch speaking My Little Pony lovers.
Here is a quick recap:
So, last week I had a lot of My Little Pony on a second hand site, namely Marktplaats.nl. This buyer contacted me, wanting to know how much I wanted for the lot. I gave her the price I was hoping to raise with the lot and then she got back to me asking if she could just buy three Ponies of the lot. I told her politely no. The ones she wanted were the ones everyone was after - I had already gotten several similar questions from other buyers - and if I took them out of the lot, I would stay stuck with the rest. The rest being Ponies not in perfect shape anymore cause they had pen marks on a leg or so. She however knew an easy and perfect working way to get rid of the pen and she would tell me after she had put her children to bed. I didn't hear back from her.
A few days later I asked her if she was willing to share the tip still cause I have some Ponies in my own collection with some pen here or there and it would be great to get the pen off. There everything went sour.
She told me she would only give me the tip if I gave her the three Poinies she had requested. After all as I was being a MLP collector myself, I had an obligation to help other MLP collectors out and she wanted those three Ponies.
I mailed back that I didn't give in to blackmail.
She mailed back saying suddenly that it had all been a big joke but that if I didn't have any sense of humor, taht she wouldn't tell me the tip after all.
I mailed back, telling her that to me her message hadn't come across over at all as a joke but as a serious attempt to get the Ponies (an opinion that got later supported and backed up by the commission that investigated the matter - more on that further down) I also asked her to not bid anymore in the future on any of my items as I wouldn't sell to her anymore, explaining that I don't like people who blackmail. Never have and never will, and that I prefer to stay away from people who blackmail to get what they want. I also told her that I had removed my bids on her items for the similar reason and that I wouldn't buy from her. Further I also told her that I hoped that she didn't give her children (who also collect other kind of toys) the same values cause it isn't fun for collectors to get confronted with blackmail like this.
She mailed me back that I was crazy and childish and that I was off my rocker cause suddenly she didn't have any kids anymore ... (sadly I still had the mail from her in which she pspoke of her kids and that was also handed in later on to the commission to proof to them that I hadn't made the kids up)
I mailed her back that I had assumed she had kids since she herself had spoken of them in an earlier mail to which I referred.
Next I got a mail from her saying she had reported me to marktplaats.nl to get my selling account cancelled and that she was getting everyone she knew and that bought MLP to never buy from me anymore. For this she was using her facebook account and she had already a large amount of people who would never buy from me anymore ...
She did indeed report me to marktplaats.nl, sadly enough for her I had luckily all our mails having gone back and forth still to which I gave the commission access and the result is that my name was cleared by them. I still have my account yet she has in her file now a note about that she has tried to blackmail another seller and that she tried to get another seller's account suspended by uttering false accusations. With other words, she probably also lied to marktplaats.nl to try and get my account suspended.
But whilst this is solved, my name is tarnished and I have no way to clear my name. I have no facebook and I have no clue how far her poison regarding me has spread. I have had two people who suddenly cancelled their sale to me without wanting to tell me why - I take it is due to this since the Ponies are still on the site and for sale so it isn't that they were sold to someone else for a higher price - and no one Dutch speaking seems to be willing to buy MLP from me anymore ... Thinking that she will be so fair as to come out to everyone and say that she had been in the wrong and that I am a good seller after all, is probably too much to ask so what now?
Has anyone ever had anything similar happening to them? And could they change the tide? And if so, how? I could use some tips and help.
Hugs
Robin :(
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Awkward situation! If you did not want to sell your ponies to her in the first place, why did you keep messaging her though? Any kind of spot removal questions can be asked here - our community is more knowledgeable than any one single person.
I don't see her message coming across as blackmail at all, I see it as aggressive and manipulative but there weren't any repercussions to ignoring her. Blackmail is when someone is able to "hold something over you". If you had given her your bank info for payment and she refused to pay AND posted the info all over the internet? That's blackmail. Just saying, "I want your ponies under these terms" is not blackmail as they don't have anything of value to you should you say "no".
Some people just send aggressive messages and you are under NO obligation to respond to them. Sometimes responding makes it worse. I do think it was a little bit of an over-reaction to block her from bidding on all your items just because you rejected an earlier offer from her, unreasonable as it was. If she was willing to pay your asking price for some other ponies without haggling and complaining, why wouldn't you want to sell them? As I understand, sales on Marketplaats are different from Ebay - if she sends the money, you can refund her and say no; people make many Trader Support posts about the deal they bought on this site but now the seller won't part with it.
Oh and by the way? You are under NO obligation to help another collector just because they are one. You can give a gift, or sell an item, but you don't HAVE to "share the pony wealth" unless money has traded hands. You could set up a trash can fire outside a meet and toss ponies in it, one by one... :-p
I say... lay low for a bit on your local sellers market and post again in a few months. Stick with other communities like the Arena and the MLPTP. Remain professional - you can ask for advice here on any aspect of buying/selling/trading/cleaning/collecting. Once you have earned good feedback, nobody cares that one time in your life you got embroiled in an email conflict with someone. It's not the end of the world! :) *pony hugs*
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Oh man... I'm so sorry this happened to you.
I agree with lovesbabysquirmy on most points.
It's either a hit or a miss on marktplaats and I had some bad experiences myself on that site, but none as bad as yours. A fellow dutchie shared this topic with me via Facebook. So I hope it will help you eventually
if you want to speak to me via the pm. I have an inkling or two...
*edit for a weird use of grammar
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I am sorry to hear about your very negative experience, Robin. And i totally understand you would not want to deal with such a person any more on your other auctions. If someone is trying to manipulate you and being rude and even offensive, i also would not want to have to deal with them, no matter if they offer asking prices on other auctions whatsoever.
Since i am also a Dutch member, i'm kinda wondering who is acting up like this. She tried to manipulate you, called you crazy, reported you to marktplaats because you told her no (very mature... not!) and treatened you to make you look like a bad person if you did not give her what she wanted. I personally would be very happy to hear who it was, so i can stay away from that person. I do not deal with rude bullies.
Like Moonbreeze said, feel free to PM me also; i am very sorry that you are feeling down and scared that this person is ruining your name while you did nothing wrong. Very good that Marktplaats knew what was going on via your proof of messages!
PS: If you are ever looking for a specific pony, feel free to ask, like i said i am in the Netherlands too and would be very willing to give you an honest chance in buying :)
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To lovesbabysquirmy,
I know, I am a fool. I have been kicking myself over the head about this too already a few times :blush: As to why I asked her anew, she claimed she knew a trick that not many know off, not even certain Pony forums and the tricks I had gotten here already, all had failed ... I did ask here first, don't worry.
I don't want to sell to her anymore as in the past when I was younger I already had to deal with people like her in my schoolyears and I have gotten a big distate for people who resort then to such tactics. I am sorry, that is just how I feel about it. I want my Ponies to go to good homes and this is just me, but I don't want them to go to homes with people like that. I know you never know for sure to whom you sell, but if people show their real face, then sorry ... Call it part of my personality, but something just blocks within me then.
Sadly, the site has no option to leave feedback about buys and such so there is no way to let people know I do sell good stuff and aren't all she claims I am. :(
To Moonbreeze,
That is also one of the reasons I finally decided to post here after all. As far as I was concerned it was a dispute, a disagreement between two people and I had been more than willing to keep it that way. But cause she dragged other people into it ... well, I have to try something to try and get my side of the story out there. Especially since the commission she draged me in front off, decided I hadn't made a single fault. I thought that they would decide that we had both been in the wrong and that e were wasting their time with this as this was a simple dispute between just two persons, but well, in the end they ruled against her completely and even find what she did bad enough to get two marks against her. Somehow that already says something, I would think.
I will PM you in a sec the details of the account since you have an inkling ...
To hokuspokus,
I will PM you the details in a sec, but please, decide for yourself. If you never had a problem with her and already bought from her and are happy with the sales, then by all means, feel free to keep buying there. To me this was a dispute between two people and should have stayed that way. If she hadn't started to drag other people into it all, I would have stayed quiet too, but now I just want to try and clear my name a bit.
Thanks to all for the kind words already. It is good to hear that there are here already people from the Netherlands who she hasn't been able to influence at least. Gives me hope.
Hugs
Robin
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It's an unfortunate situation but I wouldn't necessarily consider it to be blackmail. This type of thing happens all the time and I am yet to see that it has influenced anyone to not buy from someone. They are your ponies after all and you are free to do as you wish when it comes to selling them. I mean if you not selling just the three ponies alone has turned other people off from buying from you, then I probably wouldn't want to do business with those folks to begin with.
On another note, are you positive she drug other people into it? It could just be a coincidence that two other people canceled their bids. If you have proof of this, can you please post it? It just doesn't seem fair to be PMing folks, regarding who it is, unless you have actual proof she did. :huh:
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Ponylady,
I am sorry, but she is rude, a bully, insulting, keeps spreading lies and calls me a liar who made the whole thing up whilst I have in black and white still her mails to proove everything I put up here has happened.
She has scammed many people and even if only half of the stories I have heard about her so far are true, then she is a shame for the MLP community. It is no wonder she is banned from several MLP groups already.
And whilst she is the one who insisted not to get a single mail from me anymore cause she doesn't want to deal with me anymore, she feels she has the right to keep sending me insulting mails. I blocked her one account and so now she used a different seller account. I am sorry. But if I never have to deal with her anymore anywhere, it is too soon. She takes no responsibility and still claims she didn't do anything wrong at all whilst independing people have decided she is in the wrong.
As for proof that she put other people off. How can I get that when the bought items were reserved, the mailing was going okay until she suddenly started her campaign against me and I don't hear from either person anymore despite having sent them a few mails? Thyey aren't sick or incapitated cause the "reserved" was taken off the adds so they could have sent me something back.
Maybe the term blackmail isn't rightly used. I am sorry. English is my third language. Not sure how to call what she does and has done with me or at least tried to do with me. But what she did is manipulating, bullying and far more.
If you want to defend her, that is your right, but I doubt many people here will feel the same way about that. Same for other MLP forums it seems.
Hugs
Robin
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I want to get something straight, I am not defending her. I also am not condoning her behavior. I simply asked if there was proof she was manipulating your sales and spreading rumors. If this is the case then her name needs to be brought up and posted here. It's one sided at this point. Thus again me asking for proof and not taking it behind the scenes. I am sorry but as a Mod it is my job to find out the whole story. I am sorry if that upsets you but we are here to make sure things stay fair, especially since you are now saying she has been banned from other MLP communities. If this is true then a Mod needs to be contacted.
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I'll try to set a little misunderstanding straight. I mainly contacted RobinHarper because things are going on on Facebook to which she does not have access and her topic has been forwarded to one of the groups there.
She has not been banned from any groups there (as far as I know. Maybe someone else here can correct me, since I'm not really active on FB myself). But a number of people just don't want to deal with her again because of her behaviour. *edit* I just heard that she was about to be deleted from a dutch FB group, but went out herself before that happened. Probably after what Yum-Yum wrote.
I know 3 other collectors that have had trouble with her and avoid her now. She has blocked them when they tried to post what happened. Most of these things went via Facebook and/or marktplaats.nl and the way this person handles it is through aggressive emails, insults and she keeps on changing facts. Aparently RobinHarper is still receiving emails from her with insults via another account. I think she can provide you these emails (but these need to be translated first ;) ).
So... those were my two cents
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I too have had a bad experience with said trader (not robin). The only mistake she made is that she picked me. I posted my experience with her on our dutch FB group, so everyone knew what happened. She has blocked me during our transaction, so thing got bad. She's not in my collecting circle anymore.
Anyway, her whole additude is disgraceful. Robin doesn't stand alone in this.
Ponylady it's necessary to get the facts, so no one blames you for asking questions (at least I don't). On every story there are two sides.
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Hi there , the person Robin is talking about is me..
Yes I contacted her if I could buy her whole lot , she told me her price and asked me if I have a good tip toget penmarks of her ponys
then I thought it was to much so I asked her nicely can I buy only 3 ponys out the lot
she emailed back again and told me no sorry I like to sell the whole lot as one because else she would be stuck with some ponys
oke sounds fair to me and I told her that then I said I needed to take my kids to bed and shall answer her later ..
I totally forgot to answer back because I was busy with my kids and it got late
next day got a message from her if I forgot to email her and if I can give her the tip for the ponys
I emailed her : yes offcourse in trade that I can buy the 3 ponys from you : <<<---- offcourse this was ment to be a joke but apperently some people do not like jokes
So whitin some seconds I recieved a email back from her with : I will not let you blackmail me
and omg I was so shocked about that message I told her right away cant people joke anymore
but she said no you where not joking about it you are serious about it you are ashame person for your kids and go on...
then she really got me pissed off sorry NOOne talkes about my kids they had nothing to do with out conversation so as a good mother my instinct came up and I got angry and told her she need to go away and leave me alone that I will contact marktplaats about her behavior and that I will tell my ponyfriends about her..
after that I blocked her for mailing me trough marktplaats I was really angry .. right after that I went to see some good movies with my hubby to make myself calm again ..
So no I did not called marktplaats and I didnt told pony peeps to not deal with you I am so not like that(some other people are)
you are saying marktplaats contacted you because of my message to them : SO NOT TRUE because I didnt contact them
also marktplaats is only interfearing those kind of things if there is a police rapport ...
now you are saying I am blocked from several pony forums that is also not true thats all lies they are telling you , you are hearing 1 side story and believe them right away
you are saying I am bullying you also not true
yes I have 2 marktplaats accounts as you can see 1 is for selling barbie dolls and my little pony
the other account is from my mom for selling clothes dvd's and other stuff
I have no secrets about that everyone knows this :) I like to keep it all seperate from eachother
yesterday I send you a normal email and told you my story in it and all you are doing with that is saying I am bullying you sorry ? what am I missing here ?
and yes I blocked 4 dutch people in facebook ands they all know very well why I blocked them .. spreading lies about me is not very nice
yum yum whe had a bad deal in the past thats absolutely true but you blamed it all on me while you where very bad in the deal also .. you even called me a scammer some weeks ago but I have never ever scammed you ore any other people thats a real bad thing to say and you got me really upset with that word.. so sorry for blocking you but uhhh I do not want those kind of people in my life ... that deal all went good in the end and whe finished that but you keep on mention it every chance you have to make me look bad...
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Will you stop lying? I am starting to feel the urge to put all your mails up here so everyone can see the lies you spread.
As for that last so claimed "polite" mail; You do nothing but insult me and people from teh forum here. If that is polite then we have a different definition of it!
You want to lie? Fine, but learn to stick to one lie. You keep changing your lies every five seconds as the mail traffic prooves. You just can't keep track of your own lies anymore so that in each new mail you sent, you contradict yourself.
And marktplaats did invest you. I have their mails to me regarding this. perhaps I wasn't the only one fed up with you and had they more complaints about you and is that why they didn't need the police to be involved.
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I'm sorry that you had a bad experience in your opinion, and I'm not contradicting or judging everything you say. But you are making it sound like she is the most horrible seller/buyer out there. But she is not. I have had (and many other people) multiple transactions with her, and everything is fine. I'm aware that you could have had a different experience, and I'm sorry if you did. But you don't have to make your email public, its a bit rude ;). Sorry, but I just had to say my experience :).
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Placing a warning here now - behave!
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@ sweetbubbles, don’t take this the wrong way, but sometimes jokes can get misinterpreted in the Internet. So maybe is not that people don’t have a sense of humor, maybe you don’t express your self that well and it ends in a fight. It happens to me all the time with sarcasm (I can't do sarcasm, not even in real life and that has sometimes brought me into trouble). It's a friendly advice. Again, don’t take it the wrong way.
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yum yum whe had a bad deal in the past thats absolutely true but you blamed it all on me while you where very bad in the deal also .. you even called me a scammer some weeks ago but I have never ever scammed you ore any other people thats a real bad thing to say and you got me really upset with that word.. so sorry for blocking you but uhhh I do not want those kind of people in my life ... that deal all went good in the end and whe finished that but you keep on mention it every chance you have to make me look bad...
I called you a scammer, because, well... you tried to scam me by not sending the items, didn't you? And then blame it on the postal service. As a trader you have the responsibility to make sure your half gets to the other person. You practically said to report it to the postal service (it was an envelop, which they wouldn't take it that seriously imo) and that's it, adios to me. I did my best to get you to understand that's not really the way it works. But instead you got really defensive and aggressive with me. Which resulted in you blocking me on FB. So I posted my feedback on the dutch mlp fb group, so everybody knew what happened. Luckily you unblocked me, so I hoped we could finish the transaction. Sadly not the case, I told you it's irresponsible of you to leave me like this and blocking me was not a smart move. Which ended in you, again, getting defensive and aggressive. Saying I called you a fraud? I told you I don't know who's fault it was, since I didn't have any facts to prove anything. Never called you anything in the whole conversation (which I have screenshots of)
I did receive my items in the end, a day after I posted my feedback on the dutch fb group. I was happy I finally got my half. But the date on the stamp didn't match with the date you told me you send the items.
I can see why you think I was to blame about the bad transaction. I kept trying to make you understand the responsibilities you have as a trader. Plus, it's funny how you use the word "also".
... but you blamed it all on me while you where very bad in the deal also .. you even...
If a mod is interested in ready our conversation and my feeback, feel free to send me a PM. I refuse to let these kind of people ruin anyone's collecting mood. Ponies should make you happy and sharing the pony joy should not result into a bad experience.
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@ ladypinwheel , I so understand what you mean I from now will not say anything anymore to people I never chat before because all goes in the wrong way and thats not how it suppose to be I am a good person with my heart on the right place I have feelings also and love to have awesome pony friends (and am very glad I have them)
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Patrick,
I shipped your items when I said I shipped them, the stamp on the package is the date they fully process it.
I've told you several times before that I'm sorry you received your package late but I was not at fault.
I shipped your package but somehow they turned up late.
You conclude I tried to scam you! You don't even give me the benefit of the doubt.
That's why I blocked you! How can I discuss something with someone who has already made up their mind that I'm a scammer?
I'm sorry you got your package late, but you've received them in the end and were happy with your stuff.
Time to close that chapter Patrick, you keep bringing this up every time you can.
It's done, finished, dead and burried.
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Yum-Yum (please don't use people's real names just like that) shared his experience with you just like Lindsay1988 did. It's great that people had good experiences with buying from you, but that does not cancel out the fact that your messages were received as agressive or insulting when things went awry.
It's up to the mods to further decide what they want with this situation.
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Ponylady,
I am happy to hand all over the mails she send me to the mods if they want them. They are just in Ducth so as already stated by another member here, it will have to be a mod then that speaks Dutch so they can translate them for the rest cause let's be honest ... translation machines aren't all that great on the net currently.
And then the mods can see how Sweetbubbles changes her story every other mail so that in the end you also don't know anymore what is the truth. She claims now she never reported me to marktplaats.nl or talked about it on facebook, but I have a mail from herself before the marktplaats investigation to my account started in which she herself states that she has reported me to marktplaats.nl for an investigation and that everyone on facebook is appealed by my behaviour and is on her side ... How can you then still try to claim you never did anything of that? And that was before I posted here something.
As far as I was concerned, this whole drama could have stayed between us but she started to bring it out in the open and I have a right then to defend myself, no?
Ever since people have been so nice as to bring my side on Facebook, I have already had one person contacting me to say she was sorry cause she had believed Sweetbubbles with her talk about me but now she was doubting. She feared she even had banned other people before just solely based on Sweetbubbles word on the net whilst those other people also screamed out their innocence. She is slowly starting to think the problem may be Sweetbubbles after all but when I asked her if she was willing to step forward with her story. She declined. Just as many others, she is afaraid of Sweetbubbles and to get her anger directed at them. That makes me wonder how horrible this whole deal trully is and for that I am glad she forced my hand to start talking about it cause I feel like it is high time everything comes out in the open and that if she is truly two faced who treats some kindly and rightly whilst is a horrible bully to others and tries to ruine them ... well it is time she gets exposed and banned then!
I call up on everyone who has had a bad interaction with Sweetbubbles here or on some other site to please stop being afariad and contact the mods about it. That way you remain protected cause she won't know who then all stepped forward. Please, think of how much your own experience hurt you. Don't you want others to be spared from this? Not everyone has enough self confidence to keep loving Ponies and put things beside them. We owe all MLP lovers, new future ones and the ones already existing to protect them. That is also in the guidelines here, no? Be a kidn and loving community that spreads the love but doesn't try to destroy it ...
I hope my call for stories isn't out of line, but I really have no way how I can try to convince all of you who are keeping quiet currently to find the courage to step forward ...
Hugs
Robin
Post Merge: February 10, 2015, 06:26:15 AM
Don't worry, Lindsay1988. It ain't allowed to do so so I won't post it here. Just because I feel like it, doesn't mean I won't respect the policy here.
However, if someone asks them for an investigation in concern Sweetbubbles I will give them. Just like I did when marktplaats.nl asked for them.
And I am happy you haven't had a bad experience with her yet, but sadly enough that doesn't go for others. I am not the only one who has seen a completely different side off Sweetbubbles and I hope for you you will never get to see that side. If you do, my sympathy already.
Hugs
Robin
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This is all very good, but what concerns me is that her feedback here is all positive. As well as in the Facebook group I admin.
And, about the facebook thing... I just checked her wall, and the only post I've seen about this issue is from after you posted here. Not from before. And she isn't saying anything against you in it.
There is some sort of war between the Dutch MLP Community that is extrapolating to other places. And from what I've seen there is campaign going on to smear Sweetbubbles name. If it's for legitimate reasons or not I don't know. And I don't care. But you say you don't like bullies. Well, there are bullies out there making the ball bigger and bigger.
I'm not saying she doesn't have her fault. I haven't read the emails or anything, so I'm not going in there. But I guess we should get all the feedback, not only the negative one. I think it's the fair thing to do.
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Sweetbubbles has had problems with multiple people (at least 5 or 6 and maybe even more)
Isn t it a little bit coincendent that she is the victim every time ? Maybe sweetbubbles should look at her own behaviour, instead of constantly blaming the other party.
By the way , it's not just trouble in the Dutch community, sweetbubbles also had troubles with 2 collectors not located in the Netherlands. I am kinda wondering why people defend her disgraceful behaviour and complain when we say something about it. Offcourse we are saying something if one is lying , manipulating and insulting. These same issues were experienced by many people who were in contact with said member , i think it's time to take it seriously , instead of making it look like it's not a big deal what she does. It is a very big deal. Especially because it was certainly not the first time and it won't be the last time. I would advice Robin to do something with the emails as a form of proof that her story is true
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I have had nothing but good transactions with Sweetbubbles. She has been honest about the ponies condition, quick to post and a general good trader. Adding to this she has been very supportive when I have had difficulties in the past.
Yes I had doubts about her when this thing started, but I have heard her side of this storyand am inclined to believe her side. She is not the one urging people to screen shot stories of how bad she has been, she is not the one calling to mods to ban people.
And no, before you start saying but I am afraid of her and she is manipulating me, no not in the slightest. She is a good friend and for a minute I failed her. I will not be a part of this witch hunt, I know you and a number of Dutch collectors have this silly feud thing going on, why can you just not trade with each other. ignore each other and let it be??
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Patrick Mr. yum-yum,
I shipped your items when I said I shipped them, the stamp on the package is the date they fully process it.
I've told you several times before that I'm sorry you received your package late but I was not at fault.
I shipped your package but somehow they turned up late.
You conclude I tried to scam you! You don't even give me the benefit of the doubt.
That's why I blocked you! How can I discuss something with someone who has already made up their mind that I'm a scammer?
I'm sorry you got your package late, but you've received them in the end and were happy with your stuff.
Time to close that chapter Patrick, you keep bringing this up every time you can.
It's done, finished, dead and burried.
Hi darling,
I find it hard to believe that after I posted feedback the envelop magically appears. But let's stay to the facts and say it was the fault of the postal service. I won't confront you with that anymore, promise.
What still concerns me is your behavior towards me. You felt no responsibility toward the lost envelop. You blocked me when things got difficult for you, which is a good solution. But apparently that's your answer for everything.
I won't close the chapter if you keep proceeding to get angry and/or insult other collectors.
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LadyPinwheel, the only problem the dutch pony community has is with Linda. I guess that says it all. I won't get into the whole bully subject, because I don't see any reason to bully anyone. I'm not picking on Linda for any reason. I'm just sharing my experience with Linda and how she treated me. With all the respect, but sharing your experience with others is now considered bullying?
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I feel like there is a history to this that I'm not really grasping, but I did want to point out "but I had a good trade with them!" isn't proof that someone is honest overall. Someone can have fifty good trades, then behave terribly on the fifty-first trade.
I'm not saying that's what happened here. I'm just saying investigation is important.
I think the language barrier is maybe making this a little more difficult than it would otherwise be (even though everyone is typing excellent English--but I think maybe some of the tone gets lost in translation).
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At first it seemed to me this entire thing was a misunderstanding that was fueled into a full blown fire. Now I feel it is intentionally being fueled. Yes, I took her comment as a joke, it may have come across harsh or not funny, but it certainly did not come across as blackmail.. for pen removal tips? I am sorry Robin, just like anyone else sometimes we take things wrong and instantly go on the offensive. That is exactly what it looks like here.
For all the times I have seen someone come to the board for help with a trader or to get feedback I have rarely seen a topic quite like this where people seem to be so.. actually I do not have a word that would quite do it justice... It seems like instead of observations or advice several people are almost attacking.. the comments are not being said in a "tone" of help, more like a vigilante squad.
I agree with Lady Pinwheel.. I think there is some infighting in part of the dutch community that is trying to spread. Regardless if some of the people affected are not Dutch, they have been contacted by or given information by people from that community. I think that is definitely fueling the fire.
I also have had numerous dealings with SweetBubbles, via buying, selling, trading, and help on certain items. Her advice has always been freely given and appreciated. I have always attributed part of the 'tone' of our conversations to translation and the differences in our cultures. I know that she loves to joke and has always been wonderful to deal with and trustworthy. I can attest to many transactions, if need be. I have only been on the arena about 18 months, but we deal with each other frequently and have become friends as well. I understand that, just because my dealing went well, does not mean all transactions do, I just wanted to point out I have no fear and no problems.
That being said I do not defend her as a friend, but as business associate and fellow collector. I am perfectly capable of keeping the two separate for the purpose of honest an insightful feedback.
The concept to me that people are "afraid of her" in intriguing.. why would you be afraid of someone? Unless they are twice your size and in your face with a weapon I cannot comprehend that.
It has been said that it all could have stayed private but that SweetBubbles attacked Robin on the internet.. I apparently cannot see this although I have looked. At no time did I see any names or usernames given out as a "blacklist this person" or anything until this all started here. and I see the same people on here as on Facebook that keep forcefully commenting and accusing...also I find it interesting that people "brought Robins side to Facebook"... for what purpose? If something was posted after everything here came to a conclusion that detailed a short fact list of what happened maybe I would understand.. but to bring the entire thing to Facebook? I cannot see any good coming from that for anyone.. other than to stir drama.
The comments on here seem to be brash and bullying. I am sorry I have really tried to come up with a better word but I have not been able to. I feel people are being pressured to find a problem of their own with SweetBubbles even if they did not formerly have one. I do not feel this was done as a call for others, but as a nasty push to ostracize someone.
As for the the other problem with the package from the other member (yumyum i believe?) I have 2 comments, it would be impossible to ship it to you after you left feedback and arrive the next day. So it must have been shipped before that - making that statement irrelevant. The point behind people now explaining their good experiences is derived from people stating completed bad experiences.. however I again am a bit confused by this one.. so the main complaint was the package arrived late? and so did hers? How does that apply here, not that I know all the facts about that situation, but it seems to be a postal problem.
Regardless, I wish the mods luck and insight into this mess.
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LadyPinwheel, the only problem the dutch pony community has is with Linda. I guess that says it all. I won't get into the whole bully subject, because I don't see any reason to bully anyone. I'm not picking on Linda for any reason. I'm just sharing my experience with Linda and how she treated me. With all the respect, but sharing your experience with others is now considered bullying?
Yumyum don't take it personally, I wasn't talking about you in that aspect. I think is important that you share you experience and that we see all the sides. But we all have had issues regarding transactions, or not replying to possible buyers or shipping late due to personal reasons... I'm sure this has happened to all os us at some point. I also think it's important to keep contact with your buyer/seller and explain things so that they don't go off hand. Sure blocking someone in FB is not the way. I completely agree.
But you have shared your experience, you have told us your case and how she reacted. But I still see other people commenting how bad she is, and they don't give any explanations of why. They don't explain their case.
IMHO what I see is that there are some members who simply can't stand her. At that is fine. You don't have to like everyone. But not liking someone is no excuse to make their life impossible. If you don't like someone you just ignore that person and go your way.
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I first and fore most want to say thank you for every one taking a mature approach to this situation. It most certainly is something that is hard for everyone to deal with at this point.
It honestly seems to me that this has been something that has been festering for awhile between our Dutch member community, I say this because of the amount of PM's I have received from both sides. Yes, I said sides because that is what I am gathering from the posts here and from PM's. I personally can see where there obviously is a line divided. I also say this from my own personal records and what I have witnessed here.
Robin if you want to send me the emails that would be great, also sweetbubbles if you want to do the same, that would be perfect too. Then the team here can review exactly what has happened. Hopefully also to clear up what is going on :( We are all collector's here and I hate to see any divide between the community.
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Thank you Ponylady!
@casstorm I think the afraid part has to do with the way email traffic went between people.
I have to agree that facebook is not the way to go. I only saw it being forwarded in a closed group by a member of that group.
and that's also my issue with FB. Groups are closed, people can block another and delete messages. Which does not make it a very reliable source. Result... well that is quite obvious... chaos
edit for weird typos. Yay tablets keyboards
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As for the the other problem with the package from the other member (yumyum i believe?) I have 2 comments, it would be impossible to ship it to you after you left feedback and arrive the next day. So it must have been shipped before that - making that statement irrelevant.
Not only is it possible for mail to arrive the next day, it's what the Dutch mail service PROMISES to do. Tiny country, you know. In 95, maybe even up to 99% of the cases mail is delivered the next day after it was posted (excluding sunday and monday, there is no mail delivery at all).
Just wanted to clarify that point.
Good points have been made and unfortunately it is true there is stuff going on in the Dutch community. I myself was blocked by sweetbubbles because I tried to help out in the situation with yum yum. After that she tarnished my name by talking bad about me to her friends on FB, even though they didnt even know me. This is her MO, as I've seen it: block people she doesn't want to deal with, call in her friends to defend her. I've seen it multiple times. I'm not going to say I was without blame in the last discussion I had with/about her, because I was definitely annoyed, but I do have to say if there is a common name that keeps popping up in several drama's... Well. There might be something there.
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Burn the witch! Burn the witch! Oh hang on, what century are we in again?? I'm not involved personally in the fights and have only good things to say about both parties. But jeez guys this is starting to look more and more like a witch hunt! Can you not just leave it to the mods now, this post is just turning into "who hates Sweetbubbles" and my god that's something I haven't seen outside of the kiddies playground. Its just my two cents and you can bash it all you want, doesn't mean I'm wrong. Disappointed more like. We can be better :(
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Babichuld, the mods are on it. They are gathering all evidence and will pass a judgement when they have everything form both sides I guess and studied it and discussed it. That's why I am not responding here anymore either cause it is indeed turning bigger and bigger. And with supporters it seems on both sides ... I am leaving it now up to the mods. And hope this all gets an answer from them soon so we can all start putting our energy and time anew in other and more fun things.
Hugs
Robin
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why on earth has this not been removed by moderators? This has gone on long enough surely at the end of the day no one got scammed or lost anything in any case. I have had nothing but great transactions with Sweetbubbles myself but end of day no one got hurt so why turn it into a free for all to have a go. PS if anyone brought my kids into an argument of ponies I would have a few choice words for them also no one messes with my kids....Ever!
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I have had nothing but great transactions with Sweetbubbles myself but end of day no one got hurt so why turn it into a free for all to have a go.
Well... no one got hurt? I'm not a heavy emotional person, really down to earth, but the way sweetbubbles talked to me was everything but nice and respectful.
I will also forward my proof to the mods within a few days. This will be my last post in this thread. Just like Robin said; let the mods decide.
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Thank you to everyone who has PMed me. I will review them this afternoon, my Dad has a chemo treatment here in a few minutes, so I will not have time till later.
I am also locking this up for now, as there is no reason to keep rehashing the same thing over and over again. :heart: PL