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TCB => Trader & Shipping Support => Topic started by: Tulips on April 30, 2014, 12:58:42 AM
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I am really steamed right now, an ebay purchase has been tracked as 'delivered' but sure as heck wasn't... and here's the kicker, 'no signature required' and no 'package waiting for pick-up' note in the letter box, it could be anywhere! This is the exact reason why I prefer insurance over tracking, a purchase can be tracked to the ends of the earth but that doesn't help when it's telling me 'delivered' and my hands are empty.
I'm hoping that it's been popped in a neighbour's letterbox by mistake and they'll do the right thing and re-deliver it to me, but the 'contents value' might tempt people to the dark side. We get mail for 'right house number, wrong street' every so often, and we walk over and re-deliver it. I'm so worried I'm never going to see my purchase, it's collectable pins that are a newly retired design that I caved and splurged on. :(
I've already been to two different Australia Posts (picking up another package and tracking this down), phoned customer service to lodge a complaint and start an investigation, contacted the seller and opened a paypal dispute... but what are the chances of anyone siding with me? Since it was tracked but didn't require a signature is that sufficient proof that I'm not lying and I'll be reimbursed?
I checked eBay and Paypal's policies but I've got a headache and can't seem to find any specific information about whether I'm protected in this case or the seller, or it we'll both come out of this positively? I'd hate for the seller to be out this much, since it's not really their fault, but I'd also like my money back if not my purchase. :cry:
Does anyone have experience with situations like this and advice? I've never had a package go missing while it was tracked.
RESOLVED: deets on page 2 ^.^
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I'm pretty sure that in order for the seller to win a dispute they need to be able to prove that they sent the package to the paypal address of the buyer - this means they would need to have sent it via registered post (I think signature on delivery also counts).
Since your package was sent only with tracking I think you have a really good chance of winning however I really hope auspost finds your box!
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Thanks for the info ^.^
The package was First Class International, I didn't realise this method even had tracking so I was worried that it was registered, turns out nope. :(
I'll try not to fret and keep my fingers crossed that the investigation goes well and my package turns up. I really hate it when things go wrong, I worry myself sick.
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I had a similar experience but with a courier bringing an international parcel (saddle so big value). I was tracking it via web/email notifications and got notified it was delivered which sent me into a mad panic as nobody was home to have signed for it (courier needs sig to leave and I was expecting to go collect it from depot after finding a card after work one day). Phoned courier frantically to be told it only meant it had been collected to be delivered not that is was delivered to address is it at all possible it's ready to be delivered to you but not yet actually delivered if that makes sense?
I hope you get your parcel!
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I'm unsure how customs works there, but here if an item is retained for customs charging then the tracking updates to "final delivery" (A+ service from the mail company ¬.¬). As you mentioned the parcel has a high value, is it possible it's been retained for an import charge? Tracking always seems to be a mixed bag as to whether it will update at all or be updated correctly, so I'm quite sure it'll show up soon and that some twit has just jumped the gun on updating the tracking :)
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It would be a relief if wasn't actually delivered yet, pending or stuck in customs, but I've been told that there is a GPS record confirming that it was delivered to a house in my suburb. It may still be the case, or maybe it's just been scanned wrong, but Australia Post agrees that it's seemingly been delivered to someone.
They're going to ask the postie who delivered it if they recall it at all... which they probably won't. They managed to deliver a stack of letters, another package for me from the US, and a card for me to collect another very large package... just this one little parcel has disappeared. I originally thought that they had just forgotten to leave a pick-up card, because they're prone to doing that, but no such luck.
I'll update this with progress, hopefully it's smooth and positive, I just worry so much over opening cases on eBay and really appreciate advice and reassurance that I'm not doomed. :P
I usually don't even check tracking on my purchases (I rarely even get it) but I recently had a pony sitting at the local Post Office for a few weeks until I got a final warning that it was going to be sent back, and they never even let me know she was waiting! My biggest fear is that it's been stolen. :(
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if the tracking shows delivered, then paypal will rule in favor of the seller. Please tell me you contacted the seller before opening a dispute :(
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if the tracking shows delivered, then paypal will rule in favor of the seller. Please tell me you contacted the seller before opening a dispute :(
It's first class international tracking though, I didn't actually think this postage method had tracking at all. It wasn't priority or signed for, the seller didn't offer it, they've tracked it into the unknown as far as we all know. Heck, the postie could have scanned it and pocketed it for themselves for all I know! I hope not, that would be horrible.
I did contact the seller before opening a dispute but was urged to open the dispute asap because of the situation. The seller has responded to my initial message but there isn't much they can do on their end, I don't know how this is going to be handled by paypal.
Post Merge: May 01, 2014, 12:27:16 AM
It took ages to wade through ebay and paypal policies to find this, but I think I'm safe?
Seller Protection: For items not received where the transaction value is equal to or greater than US$250, proof of delivery with signature confirmation is required.
So in this case tracking wasn't enough and paypal should find in my favour since the package wasn't signed for? I hope! I'd feel aweful for the seller though, I really hope my purchase turns up. :(
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You didn't have it sent priority for something that cost over $250? Ouch. I feel badly for both you and your seller. That's a lot of money to be out.
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Oooh boy...hopefully your neighbor is honest and returns it!
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You didn't have it sent priority for something that cost over $250? Ouch. I feel badly for both you and your seller. That's a lot of money to be out.
The seller didn't offer it, apparently since First Class International shipping from US to AUS has free tracking now some sellers aren't bothering with priority anymore? In fact, when I saw the tracking number I thought it had actually been posted priority, it was only when it went missing that I re-checked and was surprised to find all this out. In any case it's a definitely a mistake I won't be making again. >_< I usually trust First Class, this is the first time anything has ever gone so wrong for me on eBay.
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Did you contact your post office with the tracking number?
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That stinks, I'm sorry! Maybe the post office can find it. Have my fingers crossed for you.
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okay, so it was over $250? If you didn't sign for it then yah, you'll probably win. The seller should have known not to send such a high value item with out signature.
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I'm having such bad luck with ebay lately. Another package has seemingly gone missing, it's taken a week to get an updated invoice just so I could pay for a purchase, some pre-orders are delayed without the seller bothering to let me know, and a purchase hasn't been posted over a week after I paid with no communication from the seller. (sorry for the rant, just need to unload) :P
I used to love ebay, but in this week alone it has stressed me out so much!
Plus this entire situation with the paypal dispute is frustrating, I feel terrible about the entire thing and can't stop worrying over it. I hope I get a call back about the Investigation soon, so this can all just be over. If my package was stolen and doesn't turn up I'm not looking forward to escalating the case and reporting it to the police. :(
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I am seriously sorry about your bad luck :(
I have refrained from posting on this because I do not want to be a barer of bad news. The thing is with eBay's new thing about being able to track to certain countries (First Class), if it shows as delivered then eBay is going to side with the seller. I know it is frustrating but your seller is not at fault, your postal system is. It obviously was delivered to the wrong house and that is up to them to find it.
If you do open a case, eBay may refund you on their own accord. I just had a buyer from Italy open a case against about 2 months ago for "item not received" I provided the tracking number because it was traceable. I then got a message from eBay a few days later that because of the "unique circumstances" they were refunding the buyer and it would not come out of my account. So there maybe some light at the end of the tunnel. Otherwise according to eBay's Seller Protection if it shows delivered then there is not really anything to go against, except your word against theirs'. I wish you the best on solving this because I know it's frustrating and you should not be out your item and money. It's just going to be a hard case to resolve :huh:
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I think that if there is evidence of delivery- ebay covers both the buyer and the seller.
So if you open a dispute, they provide evidence of delivery, then ebay refunds you rather than the seller.
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I'd get onto the PO in the meantime, and then if they do nothing, report it stolen. It was a high-value item, the tracking says delivered, and yet it wasn't. The delivery guy needs to know where it was delivered.
You're in brissy, aren't you? I know that our suburb only has one delivery guy now, the PO's seem to be cutting down dramatically here. He might just remember the parcel if he got confused enough about t to mis-deliver.
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It would be a relief if I got a refund from ebay instead of the seller, I know it's not their fault but the policy still holds them responsible. At this point though I've hear many opinions on my odds and I have no idea how the dispute will play out. I'm hoping the $250+ value makes the tracking not enough proof and I get a refund, but as I said I don't want the seller to be out that money either. :huh:
My fingers are crossed that the postie remembers what might have happened to it, but right now I just gotta wait for a call back from Australia Post.
I'll leave this thread for now and update when I actually know more or there is a resolution. Thanks for the advice everyone, you've all helped calm me down about the situation and driven me to dig through policies and fine print. :P
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This happened to me on some beads a few years ago, and more recently to a Pony swap package that came from Germany. For the first one, the post office basically shrugged and said I was SOL. The second time they had "attempted delivery" (right...) did not leave card until the second attempt where they flat out THREATENED to send the item back if I didn't come get it from the pick up station!! Seriously...
I am really sorry about this. I hope your neighbor has it, or the post office is holding it for you. :(
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It would be a relief if I got a refund from ebay instead of the seller, I know it's not their fault but the policy still holds them responsible. At this point though I've hear many opinions on my odds and I have no idea how the dispute will play out. I'm hoping the $250+ value makes the tracking not enough proof and I get a refund, but as I said I don't want the seller to be out that money either. :huh:
My fingers are crossed that the postie remembers what might have happened to it, but right now I just gotta wait for a call back from Australia Post.
I'll leave this thread for now and update when I actually know more or there is a resolution. Thanks for the advice everyone, you've all helped calm me down about the situation and driven me to dig through policies and fine print. :P
Don't leave it for too long, if you don't open a claim within the time that ebay gives you (I think within 30 days of when delivery was scheduled to occur) than Ebay won't help you out at all.
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Good news everypony!
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My package turned up in the mail box today! It wasn't delivered by the mailman, I got the post right after he left it and didn't hear him come by again, so it must have been left by an anonymous neighbour. I didn't even hear them drop it off but mum found it hours later when she came in, the dog is clearly slacking off on watchdog duty. It's kinda of annoying that it took whoever had them an entire week to get them to me, and they didn't even let me thank them in person (plus I kinda wanted to know just how far off the mark the postie was)... but at least they're here!
What makes this hilarious is that earlier today I received a letter from Australia Post saying their investigation was unsuccessful and my package was lost forever. Yeah, okay... (I want to make a witty Sherlock joke but I'm just so *facepalm* right now) -_-
So yay, I got my pins!... and I'm never trusting Australia Post ever again!
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*sigh of relief* I'm sooo glad it arrived safely! :hug: :hug: :hug:
(this is for your neighbour keeping it for a week and for Aus Post though -----> :throw: :throw: :throw:
:facepalm: )
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Thanks Ringlets! :hug: I was so relieved when it turned up, I honestly thought I'd never see my pins! The seller was very understanding, I'm glad the outcome was so positive. I'll be a lot more careful in future but I still think tracking is pointless and registered post is the only real safe method, because at least then when they lose the package we're all covered. :P
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Oh, you got them at last! I'm so glad your neighbour was honest and delivered them to you! Will you be sharing pics?
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So glad you got your pins! This is exactly why I have a PO box, AP is crap sometimes, Registered is the only way to go otherwise for the pricey stuff.