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Title: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Shiromisa on March 05, 2014, 08:33:03 AM
So, recently, there's been a set of "error" blind bags circulating around Taobao and Ebay. They look remarkably like past pony releases, but the plastic is suspiciously shiny. Still, I chalked that up to either wet plastic or weird lighting. Well, last night I dug out my blue-haired Ploomette for a comparison.

First, an overview shot.
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Already you can see that Blue has a bit less care taken with her painting than Orange, but hey, Hasbro's QC hasn't been the greatest lately. But there's a bigger issue.

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Their cutie marks are completely different vectors. Two options at this point: either Ploomette's getting a rerelease, or something fishy is going on. Now for the moment of truth...

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Her head and body are all one piece. Unless Hasbro's changed their manufacture process drastically, this blind bag is fake as fake can be. Possibly the best fakie I've ever seen, though!

I didn't take pictures of this next part since I considered the matter closed, but I kept comparing. Everything on Blue is a bit thinner, smaller, less detailed. Her legs and face are narrower; the marks under her hooves stand out a bit less.

I bought the rest of the set off Ebay, it'll be interesting to see how they compare!
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: elvenwine26 on March 05, 2014, 09:08:50 AM
If the hoof says hasbro she's not a fakie.  As much as I enjoy the blindbags I'll be the first to admit that they have never been high quality.
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: TornadoTwist on March 05, 2014, 09:15:42 AM
Hmm I rather find her an error/protoype, also because she has an production code under her hoof wich relates to the date: 4 May 2013.

Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: SeashellnBubbles on March 05, 2014, 09:29:26 AM
The one with orangish hair seems to be a little smaller overall than the other...her front hoof is fatter as well...I don't know much about blind bags, so I'm just bringing and unbiased and notably uneducated view :)
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Shiromisa on March 05, 2014, 09:57:19 AM
If the hoof says hasbro she's not a fakie.  As much as I enjoy the blindbags I'll be the first to admit that they have never been high quality.
It seems like she's made from a mold that was made from an official blind bag--hence the smallness and narrowness overall. So naturally she still has the hoof info, she was made from an official product.
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Strawberry Swirl on March 05, 2014, 10:24:35 AM
Do you mean the one with matching hair + tail? Cuz if not, she's not a fakie. My Ploomette has mismatched hair, too, and I bought her like all my other blind bags.
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Shiromisa on March 05, 2014, 10:32:49 AM
Do you mean the one with matching hair + tail? Cuz if not, she's not a fakie. My Ploomette has mismatched hair, too, and I bought her like all my other blind bags.
Hmmm! The plot thickens. Two questions:
1.) Did you buy her out of a bag, or on ebay?
2.) Are her head and body one piece or two? The deciding factor for me is that, since Hasbro just does not make blind bags in one piece (unless they've recently changed their mold).
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Strawberry Swirl on March 05, 2014, 11:03:22 AM
Do you mean the one with matching hair + tail? Cuz if not, she's not a fakie. My Ploomette has mismatched hair, too, and I bought her like all my other blind bags.
Hmmm! The plot thickens. Two questions:
1.) Did you buy her out of a bag, or on ebay?
2.) Are her head and body one piece or two? The deciding factor for me is that, since Hasbro just does not make blind bags in one piece (unless they've recently changed their mold).

1) Out of a bag.
2)She should be in two pieces, unless you mean she's broken? Cuz she's not.
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Shiromisa on March 05, 2014, 11:07:17 AM
Hmm! Now that is really interesting. Could you get pics of her?

The way blind bags are manufactured now, the head and body are molded separately, then the long neck stem is glued into the head. You can see it through the clear ones.
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Violet CLM on March 05, 2014, 01:30:19 PM
Do you mean the one with matching hair + tail? Cuz if not, she's not a fakie. My Ploomette has mismatched hair, too, and I bought her like all my other blind bags.
No, mismatched is legitimate. It's the one with the same mane and tail that's apparently a fakie, counter-intuitive as that may seem.
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I bought the rest of the set off Ebay
I should have known! Well, I got most of the next set, or at least of the ones I'm interested in. Just missing that beautiful Twilight Velvet Applejack, and I guess I may pass on the darker-maned Prism Glider if he's not a real prototype, since the visual difference is too subtle to be covetable on its own. And now I need to get myself a real Dainty Daisy to match the fake one... oh, life is hard!

There've been Mr. Cake and Nurse Snowheart pictured with these girls too, right? They gave the various AJs and RDs an air of authenticity, but heck, maybe they're fakes too...
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Shiromisa on March 05, 2014, 01:53:10 PM
Ohhh pfff, sorry for the misunderstanding! :lol: I was eating lunch at the time and misread. Yes, blue is the fakie, orange is legit. :)

Violet: Haha, yep! There's also been a Flitterheart, Roseluck, and Periwinkle with them. I want a Flitterheart fakie, just for completion's sake.
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: SeashellnBubbles on March 05, 2014, 02:10:49 PM
I had no idea that blindbags held such intrigue...they're kind of a question mark the same way the Dicord Fashion Style ponies are. They have official Hasbro MLP hoof marks, have separately stamped numbers on the molded hoof bottom, and some have the black numbering, so Hasbro's either gone whackadoo, or the fakie makers have seriously upped their game.
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Khema on March 05, 2014, 02:12:11 PM
So the moral of this post is to only buy blind bags from stores?
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: SeashellnBubbles on March 05, 2014, 02:16:30 PM
So the moral of this post is to only buy blind bags from stores?

I'm not sure...I guess if you want an absolute guarentee that it's a Hasbro BB...but if you like to roll the dice, this actually seems to be kind of a fun way to do it :)
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Navi on March 05, 2014, 02:18:49 PM
I have the same Ploomette with blue hair, but I gotta say, her head and body look like separate pieces glued together to me.
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Violet CLM on March 05, 2014, 02:37:38 PM
Violet: Haha, yep! There's also been a Flitterheart, Roseluck, and Periwinkle with them. I want a Flitterheart fakie, just for completion's sake.
Yeah, but none of them looked wrong, though I should pick up a Periwinkle at some point...
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Strawberry Swirl on March 05, 2014, 05:13:16 PM
Oh, I see. Thanks for clearing that up.
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Winter Bones on March 05, 2014, 08:18:10 PM
Hmm I rather find her an error/protoype, also because she has an production code under her hoof wich relates to the date: 4 May 2013.

This puzzles me about these ponies also. My Grey-maned prism glider has similar features as this ploomette, with a code corresponding to 6th December 2013 on the hoof. It's pretty much identical to the ones on my legitimate ponies, so either fakie makers are really going the extra mile here or something's wrong in ponyland.
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: hathorcat on March 06, 2014, 03:38:16 AM
The problem is there is contradictory information with them which points to being real and being fake all at the same time. If they were 2 pieces I would say they were simply machine/manufacture tests of some kind on the plastic but the fact they are one piece suggests they are fake.

However on the balance I think its more likely that Hasbro's manufacturers have been testing a new production process than that a fakie manufacturer is going to the effort of production stamping something. So I think they are probably real and test pieces. Hasbro uses multiple factories after all so it could simply be a different process in a different factory hence the difference in the vector and finish.
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: PitterPatter on March 06, 2014, 10:08:42 AM
I've seen a (the) seller on Taobao with this Ploomette. I had a look because the I saw a BB with a very long neck and very shiny. When I scrolled down they had other BBs and they were all just slightly odd looking and shiny. Of course, the seller says (thanks to google translate) that they are genuine :P
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Shiromisa on March 06, 2014, 11:08:12 AM
Yup, the AJ model ones in the same set have necks that are just a bit too long. I looked at Bluemette again, and I'm 100% sure it's all one piece, I can't get a fingernail in between the head/mane and neck/body anywhere. Besides that, the face and hooves are narrower than my regular Ploomette. I really do think it's a--what's the word, a recast? When a mold's made from an existing figure.
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Navi on March 06, 2014, 11:31:47 AM
Mine's two pieces :shrug:

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Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Shiromisa on March 06, 2014, 12:01:21 PM
Hmm, now that's interesting! I tried bending the head on mine all different ways, but I can't see a seam anywhere. I'll check the new set when they come in!

Could you get a picture of yours seen head-on (both eyes visible), and also the hoof with the hole in it, both compared to an official, non-error blind bag? I want to compare the mold, since both places on my Bluemette are visibly narrower than an official one.
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Winter Bones on March 06, 2014, 01:47:33 PM
Have you also checked for gaps around the pony's hair? My grey Prism Glider has gaps the same way legit ponies do, as though the head and hair were cast separately from the body and added onto it, which makes me think that the head is two pieces despite looking like one piece around the neck. I can grab some pics tonight if anyone wants them.
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Violet CLM on March 06, 2014, 01:55:01 PM
You're positive that's the (possibly) fake one? I mean, Prism Glider is always gray-maned. I wouldn't mind seeing some comparison shots of both versions of him.
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Of course, the seller says (thanks to google translate) that they are genuine :P
Oh, well, in that case! The seller definitely has full knowledge of the subject and no possible ulterior motives, after all.
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Navi on March 06, 2014, 01:57:51 PM
Hmm, now that's interesting! I tried bending the head on mine all different ways, but I can't see a seam anywhere. I'll check the new set when they come in!

Could you get a picture of yours seen head-on (both eyes visible), and also the hoof with the hole in it, both compared to an official, non-error blind bag? I want to compare the mold, since both places on my Bluemette are visibly narrower than an official one.

The light is pretty junk right now, so all my pics are too dark now. It looks like a real blind bag though - I have a few of the fakie blind bags, and this one looks a lot better. Even if they recast a blind bag, I don't think they could get this level of detail in the raised MLP logo on the hoof without an original mold.
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Winter Bones on March 06, 2014, 02:12:51 PM
You're positive that's the (possibly) fake one? I mean, Prism Glider is always gray-maned. I wouldn't mind seeing some comparison shots of both versions of him.

Yep, the mane on mine is several shades darker than my legit one. He's also shiny plastic and his eyes are shaped like Rainbow Dash's. I gotta be out the door soon, but I'll post a comparison when I get back.
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Navi on March 06, 2014, 02:18:33 PM
You're positive that's the (possibly) fake one? I mean, Prism Glider is always gray-maned. I wouldn't mind seeing some comparison shots of both versions of him.

Yep, the mane on mine is several shades darker than my legit one. He's also shiny plastic and his eyes are shaped like Rainbow Dash's. I gotta be out the door soon, but I'll post a comparison when I get back.

I think it's this one, right? (From taobao)

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Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: PitterPatter on March 06, 2014, 02:23:41 PM
You're positive that's the (possibly) fake one? I mean, Prism Glider is always gray-maned. I wouldn't mind seeing some comparison shots of both versions of him.
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Of course, the seller says (thanks to google translate) that they are genuine :P
Oh, well, in that case! The seller definitely has full knowledge of the subject and no possible ulterior motives, after all.

You know I said that tongue in cheek right? hence the emoticon.... Coz I can't tell if yours is, because in no way do I think that those sellers are selling things legitimately, ever tbh.
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Shiromisa on March 06, 2014, 04:26:00 PM
Don't get me wrong--I'd love to be proven incorrect, official Hasbro oddballs are much more interesting than fakies. ^^; I'm just not sure, with all the inconsistencies, where they fall. I'll update with more pics once my set arrives, and anyone else who gets them, please do the same!
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Winter Bones on March 06, 2014, 08:08:18 PM
All right, I'm back. Comparison shots are under the cut:

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Cutie Mark

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Eyes

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Production Code

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Hooves

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Neck and Head

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These are what I mean by 'gaps'. It's easier to see in real life than a photo, but it looks like the ends of the hair (and by extension the head) were cast separately.

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This Prism Glider has an odd seam near the neck joint.

With Skywishes (for added reference)

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The Grey Glider's eyes are actually a tad neater than Skywishes'.

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That's the last of 'em. I'll leave you guys to draw your own conclusions.
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Shiromisa on March 06, 2014, 08:19:23 PM
Hmmm! Now that's interesting. Until my others arrive, I'm comfortable supposing that mine's head and neck are just...uncommonly well fit together or something? :lol: But the plastics and cutie marks are definitely different between the two, which is interesting since Prism Glider is in production now. Someone who can read production codes, would you mind translating both of them?
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: TornadoTwist on March 06, 2014, 09:44:33 PM
Hmmm! Now that's interesting. Until my others arrive, I'm comfortable supposing that mine's head and neck are just...uncommonly well fit together or something? :lol: But the plastics and cutie marks are definitely different between the two, which is interesting since Prism Glider is in production now. Someone who can read production codes, would you mind translating both of them?

The Prototype one: May 6, 2013
The Regular one: March 4, 2013

The regular one:
#35581 = Wave 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 & 8 blind bag figures

Wich is quite strange because I thought BB's from W9 had this code only... #A6003 = Wave 9 blind bag figures so far, all of my W9 ones have this code... I have to get a Prism Glider for myself then...
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Shiromisa on March 06, 2014, 10:15:40 PM
Hm! I didn't know there was that big a gap between a pony being produced and being put in stores. But a two-month gap seems not out of the realm of possibility.

Also! I should confirm, the darker-haired one definitely looks like the same mold as Bluemette. (Bloomette?) The hole hoof is similarly thin. Is it just me, or does PG's eye vector look like it has shorter eyelashes than SW's?
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: TornadoTwist on March 07, 2014, 04:38:17 AM
I just got a prism Glider myself. And this one just has the W9: #A6003 code. Thats strange! ALso, is it me or does mines look more blueish?

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Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Violet CLM on March 07, 2014, 11:05:59 AM
I have two Prism Gliders at the moment (not by choice (http://www.ebay.com/itm/181342103196)), and they both say 33081 on the hoof. Which is quite a trick, considering I got them over a month apart from one another and from two different sellers.
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: hathorcat on March 09, 2014, 04:27:12 PM
The separate head/body thing really does tip me back to the test batch/production angle. It really would be an elaborate fakie maker to add the production date stamp. 

I have two Prism Gliders at the moment (not by choice (http://www.ebay.com/itm/181342103196)), and they both say 33081 on the hoof. Which is quite a trick, considering I got them over a month apart from one another and from two different sellers.

Not really. You could buy 2 cans of beans from 2 different retailers in 2 different towns at 2 different times with the same batch number/use by date. Its just about who picks things up when, from where and even when they are finally listed on ebay. If the ponies are tests of some kind then having very similar production stamps is also perhaps not too surprising.
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: Violet CLM on March 16, 2014, 03:14:30 AM
I got four Applejacks in today (the two Pepperdances, the Forsythia, and the Dainty Daisy), plus a Bluemette. I compared the four Applejacks to a real Pepperdance from wave 1, plus a Violet Fritter from wave 9 in case the mold changed sometime in-between. Conclusions:
As for cutie marks... yes, Bluemette and Ploomette do have different stroke widths for the spikes of the crown. AJ!Forsythia and R!Forsythia's look identical, except that they're mirror images of one another. Pepperdance's is quite distinct. Don't have a Dainty Daisy to compare against.


ETA: In fact, all the molds from that series seem to have shallower hooves than the real thing... except for Rarity's. Which is annoying, because I really thought I'd found an answer to where the purple and yellow metallic Rarity figures had come from, but now I can't find any way to test it.
ETA2: The purple+yellow metallic Rarity figs have a distinctive green on the insides of their hooves. By contrast, the normal metallic figures from back in the day are metallic from head to toe. I got a fakie (IMO) metallic Applejack, but no, she's got a metallic inner hoof too. I guess I'll need a currently-more-expensive Rarity, unless I can find someone who already bought one. :(
Title: new blind bags.. any idea on these guys..fakies?
Post by: shabbychicdee on April 07, 2014, 08:55:49 PM
 any info would be much appreciated and a thousand apology's if these has been posted before :)

slight colour differences to pepper dance
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earth version of twilight velvet ?
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 earth version of Forsythia
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and this one in reverse colour from its original dainty daisy
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oh look they are in same pose.....really well made fakies??, got that dainty daisy in today and she has all the same markings plus the black stamp





Title: Re: new blind bags.. any idea on these guys..fakies?
Post by: Violet CLM on April 07, 2014, 09:16:17 PM
Thread is here. (http://mlparena.com/index.php?topic=350586) There's also a Ploomette variation, a Periwinkle, a Flitterheart, a Lily Blossom, a Prism Glider (with darker gray hair) a Roseluck (looking more like her second release IIRC), a Nurse Snowheart and Mr. Cake (maybe), and one each of the metallic AJ+PP+R from wave 4. There's not exactly a consensus on their authenticity, because different people seem to get different results when applying the same tests, but I'm quite confident the ones I have are fakies, since they have uniformly shallower hoof holes than their genuine equivalents but they match these figures (http://derpicdn.net/img/view/2014/3/10/571596__safe_twilight+sparkle_rainbow+dash_pinkie+pie_rarity_applejack_photo_big+macintosh_toy_blind+bag.png) exactly.
Title: Re: new blind bags.. any idea on these guys..fakies?
Post by: shabbychicdee on April 07, 2014, 09:19:55 PM

crazy going by the link its like where does the original's end and the fakies begin, they are really hammering them out now  :yikes:
i am going to have a blind bag nervous breakdown...i just can not keep up.  :blink:

i guess time will tell if they turn up in hasbro packaging them are real, if not all fakies not made in a hasbro factory by some naughty peeps  :P
Title: Re: new blind bags.. any idea on these guys..fakies?
Post by: Shiromisa on April 07, 2014, 10:05:45 PM
I want to believe they're real because that's more interesting, but the fact that they're definitely a different mold from Hasbro's official ones (made to look as close to official as possible) makes me think fakie, too.
Title: Re: new blind bags.. any idea on these guys..fakies?
Post by: TornadoTwist on April 07, 2014, 11:04:55 PM
I have the last 2. Their body is more smooth and shiny and the eyes are a bit larger.
Title: Re: new blind bags.. any idea on these guys..fakies?
Post by: Violet CLM on April 07, 2014, 11:13:41 PM
where does the original's end and the fakies begin
These ones are ridiculously close. I compared fakie Lily Blossom to real Lily Blossom and would not have known which was which without checking the hooves. If only they came up with their own designs with this quality (or, better, personally asked me to come up with designs for them).
Title: Re: new blind bags.. any idea on these guys..fakies?
Post by: Shiromisa on April 07, 2014, 11:20:06 PM
The fakie Flitterheart I bought was ridic close too, only the cutie mark was a teeny bit off. I'm kind of glad I got one with a paint flaw so I can tell her apart from the real ones!
Title: Re: new blind bags.. any idea on these guys..fakies?
Post by: hathorcat on April 08, 2014, 02:23:54 AM
I am going to merge these threads together. Its really getting confusing having multiple discussions on the same concepts. And I think it works best if we keep with one potential fakie v non fakie blind bag thread :)
Title: Re: Is this unusual blind bag a fakie? Analysis inside
Post by: shabbychicdee on April 08, 2014, 05:13:57 PM
are they fakies if they are made in a hasbro factory.....  :wonder:
i reckon these ones are from the stamping on their hooves;
- either colour samples,
-  mistakes or
-  someone knows there is a lot of interest on ebay for something like this so they make them on purpose and make a profit
- or more careless lazy hasbro double ups cos i am seeing it more often on the latest bb waves coming out  :rolleyes:
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