The MLP Arena
TCB => Trader & Shipping Support => Topic started by: Applejackgirl on December 29, 2013, 12:03:35 PM
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Hello all,
I have been encouraged to bring to light some difficulties in dealing with this member. MCM contacted me back in July about a princess variant she was going to sell. She bought duplicate ponies as she wanted to make sure at least one of the two made it to her and then they both arrived. I was very happy that she approached me to buy her VHTF pony. Honestly I had bid against her on one if not both of them, but I was still eager to get a second chance. The pony is a very expensive variant, ranging in price currently from $400 - $500. I did not have that much money available so I asked if she would accept payments, which she would, so we continued to negotiate. She sent me pictures of both to pick from and one had original princess variant accessories and one did not, otherwise they were in nearly the same condition. I personally liked the pony that did not come with the accessories and wanted the accessories from the other pony. She also had some bait princesses so we added those together and agreed on a rough payment schedule. I did have some delays on my end, but I communicated with her and quickly returned any messages I received. I sent all the funds as a gift as MCM is very prominent on the nirvana board and I trusted everything would be okay. She also kept track of the payments and what I still owed her, which I sent a final payment early October. She sent my package which did not include insurance and failed to provide me with tracking, but the envelope made it safely to my mailbox. There was only one pony in the bag and the accessories were normal accessories looking nearly identical to the variant ones (with some subtle differences that took some looking to pick up on). I was disappointed as I was expecting something different. So I wrote MCM right away so we could sort it out. She did not respond. I wrote again. She then informed me she lost track of the payments and that I still owed money to get the correct accessories and baits. I wrote her back to try and confirm what was needed to settle the transaction. No response. So I wrote her again and said I was sending the incorrect accessories back to her and asked if she could send the right ones to me and forget about the baits. No response. I believe I had to write her again to which she then finally did write me and told me she received the accessories and that the transaction was concluded. She expressed frustration about the ponies I had just put on ebay because I did not trade them to her. The message did not offer to make the transaction right for me at all. I was very upset and decided to let the matter rest until I could gather my thoughts and not make any hasty statements. After waiting a while I thought maybe I would just put the whole thing behind me. Afterall I did get the princess and she was nice. I made up my mind to not ever do any further transactions with her and that would be all.
Well, not quite. I have been selling on ebay and MCM bought a couple items from me and offered on another. She sent me a message and from her grammatical style I knew it was her. She then figured out it was me when I updated my sales post here on the Arena. She then messaged me again to ask if I wanted to take the sales off of ebay and just go straight through paypal to save some money. I thanked her for her thoughtfulness and resigned myself to completing another transaction. MCM had offered on my MO Spike less than what I wanted for him so I countered back to her. What I had failed to realize was that MCM wanted to save herself money, not me. She wanted me to take the sales off of ebay to offset the fees I would thereby accept her lower offer. She did not explicitly say this, of course, she tried to make it seem like she was doing me a favor when she was trying to help herself. The realized this when I received a payment through paypal for the two items she bought and the amount she offered on Spike, not what I countered. I thought for a moment of letting it go as the difference was about $5 but if I wanted to sell him for that I would have accepted her offer originally. So I messaged MCM and asked her if she had seen the counter offer and asked her to remit the difference (giving her a benefit of a doubt that maybe she missed it). I still had him on ebay and received an offer of what I was willing to accept, so messaged MCM again and told her it was no big deal if she wanted to pass on him I would refund that portion as I did get another offer. I then received a message back putting me down for wanting such a small amount and berating me for having him listed still. I had never been unkind to MCM and then for her to speak to me again that way left me beyond upset. I dispatched her items as I am true to my end of a transaction, sent her tracking along with a very honest message expressing my feelings about our transactions. I never received a response.
So I also shared my experiences with others and was convinced to bring this to the community so that others can make informed decisions when dealing with MCM. To date I have not left feedback as I was trying to settle on what exactly it deserved.
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Thank you for posting AJG! I am sure it was not easy for you to have to come forward and tell your story. :hug:
Hopefully MCM will perhaps come here and explain what took place from her perspective.
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:hug: I know that was not an easy thing for you to post about, as Ponylady also said - but I truly believe you did the right thing posting about your concerns and the transactions , comversations etc you and MCM had , and the final outcome :bigups: . This thread will give MCM chance to come and explain and maybe work things out with you :) . If she decides not to respond, then it will let others know about any potential problems when dealing with her.
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holy wow this was for an ebay transaction almost a month ago?! Ok - so happy new year to you to ?! do you want me to dredge up the GITD princess mess ?! from like the summer ?! and now mix it up with something from ebay that you benefitted from in the end?
I was on here to update I got my Spanish transaction sorted out... and I stumble into this mess. Great - I'll start posting our conversation comments if need be to clear up your misunderstandings but I had no idea after what I thought was a fine enough ebay deal that this was how you would repay your saving on ebay fees when what I had offered originally was better than your ebay net while not as expensive as your ebay sale. So yah, I was offering a win-win and you turned it into a only-good-for-you take it or leave it deal.... whatever, you apparently are all business = fine. But to comment months later? I don't get this at all
sad
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holy wow this was for an ebay transaction almost a month ago?! Ok - so happy new year to you to ?! do you want me to dredge up the GITD princess mess ?! from like the summer ?! and now mix it up with something from ebay that you benefitted from in the end?
I was on here to update I got my Spanish transaction sorted out... and I stumble into this mess. Great - I'll start posting our conversation comments if need be to clear up your misunderstandings but I had no idea after what I thought was a fine enough ebay deal that this was how you would repay your saving on ebay fees when what I had offered originally was better than your ebay net while not as expensive as your ebay sale. So yah, I was offering a win-win and you turned it into a only-good-for-you take it or leave it deal.... whatever, you apparently are all business = fine. But to comment months later? I don't get this at all
sad
I don't think she meant it to be accusatory. I think she just wanted to get things out into the air and give both of you the chance to share your side. But I don't think hasty comments like "sad" and "happy new year to you to?" are very productive. Personally, I'd love to hear both sides of the story in a calm and respectful manner.
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I am so sorry for you both because I think you're both awesome people :hug:
That said, Applejackgirl, thank you for coming forward and posting this - I read your thread yesterday and was surprised to hear that you had any problems with maycrestmom, but at the same time it sometimes happens to even the best ones around to make mistakes. I hope this will help resolve the matter between you two - even if simply explaining what had truly happened and if anyone has been taken advantage of, as it does seem from your story that your kindness and good faith got abused.
That said, maycrestmom, I agree with what mkia9 said - I think Applejackgirl mostly wanted to inform the community about a bad experience and at the same time give you an opportunity to explain how things looked from your side - there is always room for you to show your perspective and interpretation of events. She claims you wanted to mostly benefit from the transaction - well, to be honest, I think it's a normal behaviour and nothing accusatory at all - everyone wants to make a good deal knowing what their funds are - and you claim you wanted to do her a favour and that she benefited more than you... Truthfully I think you are both right on this matter and that's just how you interpreted the transaction. From what I read, AJG tried to appear calm and informative, but you went very defensive and with the comments about 'happy new year' and saying it's not an mutual misunderstanding but one on AJG's side... It leaves a bad taste in one's mouth :( MCM, take your time to calm down and try to describe the situation, okay? :hug: Misunderstandings happen but it's important to settle them, even months after.
In my opinion bringing a matter into the light, even long after a transaction was made, is still an important thing to do - the perspective of months gives all parties involved a time to calm down and think about the transaction without hasty feelings.
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holy wow this was for an ebay transaction almost a month ago?! Ok - so happy new year to you to ?! do you want me to dredge up the GITD princess mess ?! from like the summer ?! and now mix it up with something from ebay that you benefitted from in the end?
I was on here to update I got my Spanish transaction sorted out... and I stumble into this mess. Great - I'll start posting our conversation comments if need be to clear up your misunderstandings but I had no idea after what I thought was a fine enough ebay deal that this was how you would repay your saving on ebay fees when what I had offered originally was better than your ebay net while not as expensive as your ebay sale. So yah, I was offering a win-win and you turned it into a only-good-for-you take it or leave it deal.... whatever, you apparently are all business = fine. But to comment months later? I don't get this at all
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MCM, honey, you have come back and requested a refund from me on a pony you bought AFTER 8 months, and I honored the refund! So, one month is not outlandish to bring to light any matters.
If you intend to continue collecting ponies (particularly the high-dollar ones you are so fond of), it might be wise to listen to a little constructive criticism. We all make mistakes, but we must learn from them, and try to see things from the other side, rather than just filtering through and hearing or reading only opinions that support what we want.
I honestly have to say, I have had more than one person come to me in a trade or sale situation, only to find out you left someone on the hook with a very expensive pony he or she did not need or want. You are probably fortunate that this is only the first time you have been brought up in this forum, so yes, you should post the conversations and give others an opportunity to see what happened - you might learn something, or we might.
And, a side note to ALL collectors, new and old, PLEASE start doing a little more research on who your trading partners are. It saddens me to see all these threads here about situations that look like they could have been avoided if there had just been a little more digging done!
And Applejackgirl, sweetie, I am very sorry you have had a rough time with this. I hope there will be a silver lining for both of you.
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Coming on here to only belittle and rant about the situation does nothing to help your situation. You should post the conversation thread so as to shed complete light over it and make it so that there is no bias. Having a tantrum like a child helps neither party
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I agree. We are a community and communication and honesty should be encouraged. The OP should not be guilt-tripped for making this thread - if you do not agree with what is said, then counter it with arguments for all to see.
It is so important for people to share their bad experiences (as we've all learned a few months ago with another member), and if you truly are a good trader all in all, I'm sure people will realise that, but don't deny other people to bring your transactions up. The fact that she is bringing up an older transaction just means that she didn't make this thread in a haste and on impulse :)
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Misunderstandings happen but it's important to settle them, even months after.
In my opinion bringing a matter into the light, even long after a transaction was made, is still an important thing to do - the perspective of months gives all parties involved a time to calm down and think about the transaction without hasty feelings.
I agree. We are a community and communication and honesty should be encouraged. The OP should not be guilt-tripped for making this thread - if you do not agree with what is said, then counter it with arguments for all to see.
It is so important for people to share their bad experiences (as we've all learned a few months ago with another member), and if you truly are a good trader all in all, I'm sure people will realise that, but don't deny other people to bring your transactions up. The fact that she is bringing up an older transaction just means that she didn't make this thread in a haste and on impulse :)
These comments are basically what I was going to say too ^^ and I agree with other comments made here as well. Its important to be open - especially in a community like ours - and if misunderstandings and problems cant be sorted out between people privately or if it is something that would benefit the community to know about , or you need some advice from others in the community so that the matter can be settled more amicably then this is the right place to post - regardless of if it took place very recently or some months back :awake:
I think sometimes it is wiser to take the time to A.) try and sort out the problem between you both - which didnt suceed in this case but it was tried first before anyone posted here ... and B.) when you do need to make a thread or post in here due to a situation that cant be resolved betwen the two parties alone then to think things over first, rather than posting a hasty emotion filled thread that quickly gets heated rather than helps both parties solve the problem ;) In my opinion AJG did take the time to try and resolve things first and then she took the time thinking things through before posting . She just posted her experience in a factual way and now MCM you have your opportunity to respond with your own side of events.
We're here to try and help you both reach a better end to your transactions if possible :)
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stormy how good to see you
in trying to compare - if "thebrain" had done me a similar courtesy = I dealt only with you directly, never here through the trader forum = and come to me first instead of running to post on the board about my sale to her and then subsequent purchase - so this was not at all about trading - I would have been more than happy to try to resolve things directly.
As it is - the original buy from me goes back to July/August so it is way more than a month in how she is bringing ALL this to light
"I honestly have to say, I have had more than one person come to me in a trade or sale situation, only to find out you left someone on the hook with a very expensive pony he or she did not need or want."
Honestly, I would like to know who these folks are - I will happily buy back these supposed "very expensive" MLP that they do not want - I have more often than not regretted what I have sold = mostly for less than I paid for unlike yourself and "brain" who are very adept sellers in the overall world here. I have not had nearly the decades experience to get the buy low beat the trend and sell high curve you two are much better at
and since, Stormy, you bring up the deal about the Mexican blossom rehair or not, I will say that yes, I have learned much since parting with her (although I will remain staunch in my criticism that you failed to disclose the ink stains she had and never thanked me for the additional hair conditioning/flat-ironing I did to improve her as I tried to figure out rehair or not) and I am thankful you honored the return and I would happily follow in your footsteps in that regard
if I had been given the opportunity to buy back the GITD I would in a heartbeat. But I was not given that opportunity -I was simply posted about without any knowledge that there was a lingering problem. I never posted about you here in the trader forum, I never posted bad feedback about you. I understood from the get-go that there are two sides to the story and I moved on
but here - fine - I have to go back to my purchase history from originally 2012. I had a pretty wicked time with a GITD ebay auction in the UK. Person was a total scammer. So I lost the postage fees to return a child's hat I been mailed in the stead of the MLP since they had already sold it. But ebay refunded me for the pony cost since the item never came. So I took my loss as a small lesson learned and moved on.
So fine, I posted on nirvana I wanted a GITD - even joked I would be happy to stand in line to wait my turn.
That's how I remember knowing AJG aka thebrain79 wanted a GITD. I think she posted in nirvana as well.
So I contacted her end of July in a PM = "have a GITD princess for you :-)"
« Sent to: Applejackgirl on: July 27, 2013, 02:29:03 PM »
lemme know if you are interested :-) thought of you first before opening up for bids and stuff
I'll send along pics if you are interested :-)
Monica
as PMs go, not horrible, not the best way to communicate over days/weeks/month compiled with my bad math and bad memory for what I wrote
A GITD I won on ebay/bought for $425 (plus 5GBP shipping) I offered to sell for a total of $450 since I was adding in accessories but not a red dragon, and then we added in 3 regular US princess ponies at $10 (so I was giving away about $20 worth of MLP for $3 each).
So I forgot at the time she mentioned a trade - and that was my comment from seeing her sales later - not a lament or anything more than a "darn, if I had known from back in the summertime, I would've been fine to keep it ponies for ponies". Just because I totally get the expense of this "habit" now and as much as yes, I am fine to take payments as I have been grateful when folks here accept from me the same, I am just as cool to not want to break folks' piggy banks. But I wasn't upset or demanding, more of - didn't mean to have caused you to drag out with payments when you had nirvana I would bought from you... but I was the only one who sent pics over and honestly I dropped in pushing to find out what she had to sell/trade.
So like my earlier comment - that's the nature of messaging - not ever as easy as in person sales/trades.
So I compound my stupidity and AJG doesn't come forward honestly and correct me from my bad math = fine = call her a "good business pony". All about getting the best deal. So from the total of 467.50 that we'd originally agreed on than it became several payments and I mis-calculate the total from her payments sent over and she only pays a total of $425 over the next couple of months from August through October.
And I don't send over the Serena, Tiffany and Primrose. And apparently I sent over the wrong hat.
So I go back to my PMs and realize later my bad math cost me - again. So fine, I goofed and mailed first class with tracking (although you are right I failed in my courtesy to tell you the tracking beforehand) but no insurance as we had already discussed that it was more important that she not get lost = she wasn't going to break. If needed, I can copy/paste that PM.
So she writes to me that the accessories are wrong and mails them back. I am finally now sorting through old PMs to figure out the whole mess/goof-up and realize now she hasn't paid for accessories at any rate and so I'm fine to have mailed her the fiskycat GITD for free as a thank-you for her paying as a gift through paypal (saved me the fees). So I am thinking that is a win-win. AJGs comment earlier is right - stormy - you had just sold a GITD for $500. So she knew I hadn't sold her an overpriced MLP.
So that was the end of the GITD sale. A $500 pony sold for $425. So please AJG = tell me you want me to buy back the pony, I will gladly. I will happily keep her in my herd again. Just lemme know.
I'm gonna take a break here and then post about her ebay sale to me where my original payment.
Post Merge: January 02, 2014, 12:42:55 AM
OK = I am gonna try to keep this straight with font colors... my apologies to the community if I goof this up I am not a computer wiz (totally analog).
She also kept track of the payments and what I still owed her, which I sent a final payment early October.
I obviously did not keep track of payments as I did not ask for the proper amount.
She sent my package which did not include insurance and failed to provide me with tracking, but the envelope made it safely to my mailbox.
I only failed to send the PM about her tracking number. The package was tracked. We’d already discussed that she was fine about no insurance
There was only one pony in the bag and the accessories were normal accessories looking nearly identical to the variant ones (with some subtle differences that took some looking to pick up on).
I only goofed on the hat to my knowledge the wand and comb were the right set. As far as I see it, that's providence watching out for me. Clearly, AJG cared a lot more about these particular accessories than she let on – now I have to wonder why she was so miffed at not getting these accessories. Oh I see now, the hat is indeed different. So this hat may actually be worth something, might be significant for its difference.
I was disappointed as I was expecting something different. So I wrote MCM right away so we could sort it out. She did not respond. I wrote again.
She posted to me the same day. I am not online all the time. We got this all sorted out within about a week or so. I didn’t think there was ever a sense she or I were delaying – we were just dealing with RL in addition to life here was all… or so I thought.
She then informed me she lost track of the payments and that I still owed money to get the correct accessories and baits. I wrote her back to try and confirm what was needed to settle the transaction. No response. So I wrote her again and said I was sending the incorrect accessories back to her and asked if she could send the right ones to me and forget about the baits.
There was again hardly any time passing from her telling me accessories are wrong to a package shows up at my door. So it turns out, in going through PMs I thought I had sent her a message in-between explaining that she can keep the accessories and we can call it even at the $425. But in going through my sent file, seems I never sent that PM = so I understand how this mix-up went down to cause her to have feelings hurt more than I intended and for that I am sorry. But I am no longer interested in selling the accessories. Oh and the princess ponies were not “bait” as in needing major restoration/majorly flawed etc. They were simply in my sales box. Overall those MLPs were in great shape. So not cool to try to make it like these are junky MLP.
No response. I believe I had to write her again to which she then finally did write me and told me she received the accessories and that the transaction was concluded.
This is where I told her for the first time what I thought she already knew – and where I had thought at first she was being nice to return me the accessories was actually because we were still mis-understanding things. So apparently, I find out now - here - that this really really must’ve pissed her off. Well at this point, fine. AJG. It really does kinda suck in my mind that you were all too happy to let me goof up on what I was selling to you and pay less than we’d agreed. So we are even = you are a pot, and I am a kettle.
[Edited for Clarity - Loa]
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Correct me if I'm wrong--and I may well be, I get lost in large blocks of text sometimes--but it sounds like you made a clerical error that neither of you caught with the time payments, and you decided to punish her by not sending part of the agreed-upon purchase? On the off chance that the hat "may actually be worth something"? :huh:
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I didn't punish her as I had not been made aware that I had not sent her what I thought she wanted. I thought we were solving this issue in a fair way = she keeps wrong accessories for free. Apparently, AJG didn't think it was fair and didn't tell me further... until now
Why would it be defined as a punishment to get a $500 item for $425?
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Correct me if I'm wrong--and I may well be, I get lost in large blocks of text sometimes--but it sounds like you made a clerical error that neither of you caught with the time payments, and you decided to punish her by not sending part of the agreed-upon purchase? On the off chance that the hat "may actually be worth something"? :huh:
That was also what I got by it. I think MCM assumed that she'd take the accessories back and that seemed "fair" to her to finish the deal. But I don't think that is what AJG was expecting. I think AJG wanted to complete the transaction as planned.
Couldn't one of you go back into your paypal history and look at the payments and see how much AJG really did pay? It seems to me that in a transaction of this amount, you should BOTH be keeping track of how much money is exchanged. That way if one person does miscalculate, the other can catch it.
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Maybe because you didn't send all the purchased ponies either?
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$425 has been paid according to paypal records.
I have had sellers folks here refund me my money back and tell me - sorry I am no longer selling this item. So is that what you want, AJG? I will be more than happy to offer you a refund if you are unhappy. There is no way we should expect our community to be such to ever force one party or another to ever complete a deal they regret.
Right now, I so regret ever contacting you and offering you a GITD. So please let me know if you want a refund of your $425 and I we will figure out how best to work it so that the MODS know you are indeed sending me the GITD back - maybe I park the money in escrow or whatever. Stormy I forget how we did this? You got the item / I got the refund? I remember I wasn't originally asking for the whole amount back but that's how we settled it in the end so I am fine to make sure that this situation ends the way I've had it happen to me before and how the community generally accepts things to happen.
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stormy how good to see you
in trying to compare - if "thebrain" had done me a similar courtesy = I dealt only with you directly, never here through the trader forum = and come to me first instead of running to post on the board about my sale to her and then subsequent purchase - so this was not at all about trading - I would have been more than happy to try to resolve things directly.
As it is - the original buy from me goes back to July/August so it is way more than a month in how she is bringing ALL this to light
"I honestly have to say, I have had more than one person come to me in a trade or sale situation, only to find out you left someone on the hook with a very expensive pony he or she did not need or want."
Honestly, I would like to know who these folks are - I will happily buy back these supposed "very expensive" MLP that they do not want - I have more often than not regretted what I have sold = mostly for less than I paid for unlike yourself and "brain" who are very adept sellers in the overall world here. I have not had nearly the decades experience to get the buy low beat the trend and sell high curve you two are much better at
and since, Stormy, you bring up the deal about the Mexican blossom rehair or not, I will say that yes, I have learned much since parting with her (although I will remain staunch in my criticism that you failed to disclose the ink stains she had and never thanked me for the additional hair conditioning/flat-ironing I did to improve her as I tried to figure out rehair or not) and I am thankful you honored the return and I would happily follow in your footsteps in that regard
if I had been given the opportunity to buy back the GITD I would in a heartbeat. But I was not given that opportunity -I was simply posted about without any knowledge that there was a lingering problem. I never posted about you here in the trader forum, I never posted bad feedback about you. I understood from the get-go that there are two sides to the story and I moved on
but here - fine - I have to go back to my purchase history from originally 2012. I had a pretty wicked time with a GITD ebay auction in the UK. Person was a total scammer. So I lost the postage fees to return a child's hat I been mailed in the stead of the MLP since they had already sold it - possibly to a member here, dunno. But ebay refunded me for the pony cost since the item never came. So I took my loss as a small lesson learned and moved on.
So fine, I posted on nirvana I wanted a GITD - even joked I would be happy to stand in line to wait my turn.
That's how I remember knowing AJG aka thebrain79 (which I find fascinating as a character choice association from "Pinky and the Brain". My "names"? My yahoo handle - taken from my home address - so shows you I joined here without really thinking through the whole persona thing and "shoppergrrrl" so I am not much of a seller.... but I digress) wanted a GITD. I think she posted in nirvana as well.
So I contacted her end of July in a PM = "have a GITD princess for you :-)"
have a GITD princess for you :-)
« Sent to: Applejackgirl on: July 27, 2013, 02:29:03 PM »
lemme know if you are interested :-) thought of you first before opening up for bids and stuff
I'll send along pics if you are interested :-)
Monica
oh yah, another reason I kept MCM - it's McMonica - a way ol school nickname = figure we are all just big kids here - young at heart ... sorry if at this point, though I am gonna be a bit more cantankerous mare
So from there
as PMs go, not horrible, not the best way to communicate over days/weeks/month compiled with my bad math and bad memory for what I wrote
A GITD I won on ebay/bought for $425 (plus 5GBP shipping) I offered to sell for a total of $450 since I was adding in accessories but not a red dragon, and then we added in 3 regular US princess ponies at $10 (so I was giving away about $20 worth of MLP for $3 each).
So I forgot at the time she mentioned a trade - and that was my comment from seeing her sales later - not a lament or anything more than a "darn, if I had known from back in the summertime, I would've been fine to keep it ponies for ponies". Just because I totally get the expense of this "habit" now and as much as yes, I am fine to take payments as I have been grateful when folks here accept from me the same, I am just as cool to not want to break folks' piggy banks. But I wasn't upset or demanding, more of - didn't mean to have caused you to drag out with payments when you had nirvana I would bought from you... but I was the only one who sent pics over and honestly I dropped in pushing to find out what she had to sell/trade. So like my earlier comment - that's the nature of messaging - not ever as easy as in person sales/trades.
So I compound my stupidity and AJG doesn't come forward honestly and correct me from my bad math = fine = call her a "good business pony". All about getting the best deal. So from the total of 467.50 that we'd originally agreed on than it became several payments and I mis-calculate the total from her payments sent over and she only pays a total of $425 over the next couple of months from August through October.
And I don't send over the Serena, Tiffany and Primrose. And apparently I sent over the wrong hat (that took me awhile to realize what I sent over wrong as I thought I had gotten things straightened out after my son "helped" me organize the accessories as I was moving the princess ponies around to make room for a very special MIB variant...anyhow)
So I go back to my PMs and realize later my bad math cost me - again. So fine, I goofed and mailed first class with tracking (although you are right I failed in my courtesy to tell you the tracking beforehand) but no insurance as we had already discussed that it was more important that she not get lost = she wasn't going to break. If needed, I can copy/paste that PM.
So she writes to me that the accessories are wrong and mails them back. I am finally now sorting through old PMs to figure out the whole mess/goof-up and realize now she hasn't paid for accessories at any rate and so I'm fine to have mailed her the fiskycat GITD for free as a thank-you for her paying as a gift through paypal (saved me the fees). So I am thinking that is a win-win. AJGs comment earlier is right - stormy - you had just sold a GITD for $500. So she knew I hadn't sold her an overpriced MLP.
So that was the end of the GITD sale. A $500 pony sold for $425. So please AJG = tell me you want me to buy back the pony, I will gladly. I will happily keep her in my herd again. Just lemme know.
I'm gonna take a break here and then post about her ebay sale to me where my original payment (as a gift through paypal discounted $5 and thought to give her $3 more than an ebay sale but she was having none of it and so took the $8 for herself, I guess since she still felt hurt to not have gotten a steal from the GITD deal... fine.)
MCM,
There is much more to our story including:
1. I gave you $40 - $50 off the pony to begin with as she was listed on eBay for higher than what you paid.
2. When you mentioned the marks that are on the very line of her rear feet to where they are invisible on display, I offered you a small refund for my mistake. You never responded about it.
3. You had been spooked by all the rehaired nirvana gossip at the time and went over and started a thread about the genuine-ness of her hair Before I even had a chance to tell you she wasn't rehaired. Isn't that the same as what you feel AJG has done? Even though she has been trying to contact you with no responses?
4. When more than a handful of experienced Nirvana collectors concluded her hair was genuine and she was not a rehair, you still faulted me for missing the purple marks that were on a purple pony that were not visible on display that I missed, AND you chose not to believe the general consensus and still bought up that she was rehaired.
5. The real kicker, the part that even dragged the whole story back to light the EIGHT months later, was when you contacted me asking me to give you a pony priced at $50 in my store to your friend for close to FREE because even though you declined a partial refund on blossom eight months earlier, I "owed you" about $20 - 25 and you felt the item was "overpriced" by $20 - 25! So, When I declined to do that for you, is when you started hassling me about returning the gorgeous Mexican blossom.
And lastly, I personally, feel that any improvements you feel you made to Blossom during the time you owned her were your choice. As I was happy to sell her to someone whom I thought was going to cherish her rather than pick her apart, I am glad you took the time to make her a tiny bit prettier, but do I consider that something to thank you for? Not really, Hun. So don't bring that up like it was some sort of favor.
Some other non-truths here: I have not sold any Glow In The Dark or GITD pony for years, so don't say that I did. If you pay attention to the details, you might have noticed it was not me.
Back to Applejackgirl, (I am so sorry for my lengthy response but I will be back on topic now), as a seller and a buyer, this all terrifies me and it comes across as bullying.
First off, if you were unhappy with the price you received for a pony, then you should address that before you enter into a transaction and begin accepting payments. Second, you are just as responsible if not more so for making sure your buyer has completed payments. If there was some money missing, and it was verified on both ends, then you should have asked applejack girl for the money and STILL sent her EXACTLY what she paid for. For goodness sake, we have collectors right now that want to collect ponies who have very specific factory flaws or general flaws because they find them special compared to normal versions of the same pony! Why on earth did Applejackgirl NOT get everything she paid for?
Fast forward to ebay, everyone, PLEASE make sure both parties understand and agree to terms of a sale before just sending money and ponies willy nilly!
Lastly, I will not be disclosing any names of disappointed traders who had transactions or so they thought with you. But going forward, please just learn from this.
Edit to add:
$425 has been paid according to paypal records.
I have had sellers folks here refund me my money back and tell me - sorry I am no longer selling this item. So is that what you want, AJG? I will be more than happy to offer you a refund if you are unhappy. There is no way we should expect our community to be such to ever force one party or another to ever complete a deal they regret.
Right now, I so regret ever contacting you and offering you a GITD. So please let me know if you want a refund of your $425 and I we will figure out how best to work it so that the MODS know you are indeed sending me the GITD back - maybe I park the money in escrow or whatever. Stormy I forget how we did this? You got the item / I got the refund? I remember I wasn't originally asking for the whole amount back but that's how we settled it in the end so I am fine to make sure that this situation ends the way I've had it happen to me before and how the community generally accepts things to happen.
Right now, AJG has the option to return the pony, a return is NOT up to the seller. No reason to over-involve MODS or anyone else. I believe AJG may be just plain done with this - I know I would be, and I was, when you did it to me.
And YES YOU DID ASK ME FOR THE FULL AMOUNT BACK, and THAT is EXACTLY what you RECEIVED. Yes, I did inspect the pony to make sure it was the right one when I got her, because even before you received your money back, I did a quick search and saw you were buying the same pony 2-3 times over on eBay - the ones you were buying were in disgusting condition. So, yes, I checked to be certain.
Applejackgirl, if I were you, I would just count your blessings, accept your losses, and move on. Don't return a pony or feel you have to do anything you don't want to. MCM returned Blossom because she felt she overpaid 8 MONTHS after buying (since other ponies of the same type surfaced - gee, I wish I could go back to the 1990s and buy Microsoft stock like that, right? Or maybe get back all the money I spent on non-winning lottery tickets?), not because I whined about having my Blossom back.
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"Maybe because you didn't send all the purchased ponies either?"
That couldn't have been a factor since there were back and forth emails about whether she wanted them or not and then payments were not corrected to reflect a deduction. No - she sent over a payment and rather than as some buyers who are kind enough to also keep track when they send a payment what is left to pay it was just a paypal ding I think. So I responded here with a message like "$225 to go" So I got it mixed up then I never corrected myself and AJG never brought it up either and man, do I so know how to relate to when I have messaged folks and ponies I thought they were selling me are gone and it's because of PM mix ups.
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The current value of the pony really isn't relevant, as that is not the price you asked for. You asked $450 for the pony and accessories. And AJG didnt' receive the accessories, so at $425 it seems like it's pretty much even to me. It doesn't really seem fair to imply that a bad transaction is fine because the buyer got a good deal on the pony.
I think actually seeing the PMs would clear a lot of this up because AJG says she contacted you telling you about the issues and you are saying you never knew you didn't send what she asked for.
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stormy, your paradise auctions on ebay, I thought? That's the GITD sale I referred to
"Lastly, I will not be disclosing any names of disappointed traders who had transactions or so they thought with you. But going forward, please just learn from this."
that's because there aren't any... [Removed mention of SH... - Loa]
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Oh the drama ;)........i hope you two figure everything out...people mess up....just breath and it will all work out.....MCM...I was happy that you worked with me on ponies in the past seeing as I need to do payments for expensive ponies ^.^....and AJG...I am sorry you had a bad experience... I have also had this problem more then once with certain members...usually when I send them a more serious PM they respond...lol.....so I hope all is well...because I am positive I have bought from both of you and was very happy in the end :satisfied:
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"And AJG didnt' receive the accessories"
she did receive accessories. She didn't receive I found later, the correct hat and than I realized I was wrong on payments and then she mailed the accessories back before we could negotiate anything successful in the conclusion. So a big hole got dug instead of a happy transaction.
yah - I have indeed learned my lesson
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MCM, I still don't get it, please forgive me, it may be that my lack of language skills is showing :blush: Could you correct me if I'm seeing it wrong, please?
When I read your post, I understood that you claimed AJG scammed you with her payments and instead of discussed the amount, she sent you less. AJG also stated that in her post and that she contacted you to know what she needed to do to settle the transaction... And you think it's not a big deal that the accessories were different and as a form of punishment you think it's actually good that you had kept the variant hat...? Sorry, I'm just very confused here :cloud:
Seriously I all kinds of adore you MCM and I bow to your knowledge and helpfulness on the Nirvana board, but you're coming off in your post in a very negative way because of how you write. I don't want you to think of me as accusatory (though I'm training to be a prosecutor) so forgive me if I come off this way :( I get why you're upset by this situation and believe me, I bet it wasn't easy for you to go through your old PM's, but your defensive tone and now trying to decide you're even when I think the matter is just getting more confusing is not cool at all :( I've bought a less than perfect Mimic on ebay, which wasn't as mint as described, but I didn't do a big deal out of it because I had learned to be very picky - and sold her for far less, without buyers remorse. Should I guilt-trip someone for buying it for less than what I originally paid for? That doesn't seem right. And according to the PC's I've checked GITD Princesses do come in the $400-$500 range, so $425 or $460 or even $499 are actually all fair prices. I find it concerning that you didn't both take notice of the payments and seeing actual PM's of the agreed prices would be most helpful I think. I do want to believe it's a simple misunderstanding of not communicating through properly, but it sure could have been avoided :(
On a side note, how can you have something in your sent files without sending a PM? :drunk: Or am I missing something? :lookround:
Moreso, if you felt cheated on the transaction, why did you decide to buy AJG's ponies off ebay? I just can't wrap my head around it, sorry :(
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huge hugs wizzer218! yah I am trying, just failing at the moment, but I think that is why I prefer pony meets and in person ... still = I agree we can work this out :-) we deal in toys, so this is not all that serious compared to me sticking a tube down your throat and feeling for a pulse
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The current value of the pony really isn't relevant, as that is not the price you asked for. You asked $450 for the pony and accessories. And AJG didnt' receive the accessories, so at $425 it seems like it's pretty much even to me. It doesn't really seem fair to imply that a bad transaction is fine because the buyer got a good deal on the pony.
I think actually seeing the PMs would clear a lot of this up because AJG says she contacted you telling you about the issues and you are saying you never knew you didn't send what she asked for.
I agree with NoD here. Clearly the buyer was not happy with how the transaction concluded. So as a seller, I don't think it's okay to just write it off thinking "well they got a good deal anyhow". A good seller would work with the buyer to make sure that both ends were happy with the final result. My question is why MCM never asked AJG to send the extra $25 and in return, MCM would send the correct accessories and the other ponies discussed. Just because AJG sent back the incorrect accessories before MCM had a chance to message back, doesn't mean that a happy conclusion couldn't still have happened.
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stormy, your paradise auctions on ebay, I thought? That's the GITD sale I referred to
"Lastly, I will not be disclosing any names of disappointed traders who had transactions or so they thought with you. But going forward, please just learn from this."
that's because there aren't any... you of all slaughterhouse survivors know this game = well played nonetheless
Yes I am, but Spoosh is the seller you are thinking of, and YES, there are other members who contacted me though eBay. No games here.
Please handle your future transactions as well as some of your past ones, and when there is a problem, resolve it without pointing fingers...
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no - no this is not about scamming = this is one huge big pile of misunderstanding that so proves my messaging is so way worse than in person communicating because we cannot get any inflection or body language or any of at least the 75% of non-verbal communication that is helpful in sorting things out
believe me, this is why I didn't become a diplomat = my blunt style does not translate well I agree
Post Merge: January 02, 2014, 01:38:01 AM
[Removing mention of SH again. The original SH was shut down 9 YEARS ago - this is both inappropriate and irrelevant. - Loa]
never said omitting half the story is you lying - again, this is all about proving perspective is not reality. Each has a viewpoint of what is going on, and it doesn't always match and we are all now trying to sort it out. Now about your retelling how you remember all that time ago what happened all I am gonna say to that is that is not how I saw it, each entitled to their opinion and you did your damage as you felt entitled to with my one and only EVER negative rating - so I would think you would be sated at this time, but perhaps not... whatever makes you happy in the end - hope you are happy
so thank you, Stormy, for clarifying if it was instead a Spoosh sale = than I apologize for my not remembering and crediting the seller properly.
Here's my philosophy
Two monks walking along a path, one old, one young. It is morning. They come to a small river/stream. Monks are forbidden to touch women. There is a woman standing at the river bank. The older monk picks up the woman, carries her across the stream and puts her down. The two monks then continue on in silence. At days end, the younger monk states "Why did you carry that woman?" The older monk replies - " I put her down at the river bank, you are still carrying her."
So I find out now, AJG has been carrying this mess in her head for all these months and so am trying to sort out what she wants me to do, with what I want to do so we can all move forward
Post Merge: January 02, 2014, 01:56:13 AM
And YES YOU DID ASK ME FOR THE FULL AMOUNT BACK, and THAT is EXACTLY what you RECEIVED.
after we couldn't come to a partial refund agreement - I agreed to send you the pony back.
Yes, I did inspect the pony to make sure it was the right one when I got her, because even before you received your money back, I did a quick search and saw you were buying the same pony 2-3 times over on eBay - the ones you were buying were in disgusting condition. So, yes, I checked to be certain.
OK - now I am calling this out as a fabrication. I only re-bought an alt pose blossom once - after I returned yours. True my replacement for $20 is not pristine = she has discoloration in spots, unlike yours. So like I referenced earlier, I have learned that a purple Mexican in that good shape is not an easy find. We will continue to agree to disagree if that makes her an $80 item and if that was indeed a discount as there are opinions about ebay pricing not always being the best indicator of a true price. whatever
Applejackgirl, if I were you, I would just count your blessings, accept your losses, and move on. Don't return a pony or feel you have to do anything you don't want to. MCM returned Blossom because she felt she overpaid 8 MONTHS after buying (since other ponies of the same type surfaced - gee, I wish I could go back to the 1990s and buy Microsoft stock like that, right? Or maybe get back all the money I spent on non-winning lottery tickets?), not because I whined about having my Blossom back.
See this was the reason I didn't leave negative feedback - I was thankful that Stormy returned the pony and am glad to hear she found her a good home as that admittedly had been her lament that now I had ruined her chances of reselling it.
At any rate, whatever happens happens - I guess we'll have to wait to read AJGs comments here
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no - no this is not about scamming = this is one huge big pile of misunderstanding that so proves my messaging is so way worse than in person communicating because we cannot get any inflection or body language or any of at least the 75% of non-verbal communication that is helpful in sorting things out
believe me, this is why I didn't become a diplomat = my blunt style does not translate well I agree
Post Merge: January 02, 2014, 01:38:01 AM
"I am not a member of the slaughterhouse, or anything like it"
fine, bad reference to early Arena days of which I only know by being unable to open that link...
never said omitting half the story is you lying - again, this is all about proving perspective is not reality. Each has a viewpoint of what is going on, and it doesn't always match and we are all now trying to sort it out. Now about your retelling how you remember all that time ago what happened all I am gonna say to that is that is not how I saw it, each entitled to their opinion and you did your damage as you felt entitled to with my one and only EVER negative rating - so I would think you would be sated at this time, but perhaps not... whatever makes you happy in the end - hope you are happy
so thank you, Stormy, for clarifying if it was instead a Spoosh sale = than I apologize for my not remembering and crediting the seller properly.
Here's my philosophy
Two monks walking along a path, one old, one young. It is morning. They come to a small river/stream. Monks are forbidden to touch women. There is a woman standing at the river bank. The older monk picks up the woman, carries her across the stream and puts her down. The two monks then continue on in silence. At days end, the younger monk states "Why did you carry that woman?" The older monk replies - " I put her down at the river bank, you are still carrying her."
So I find out now, AJG has been carrying this mess in her head for all these months and so am trying to sort out what she wants me to do, with what I want to do so we can all move forward
I left HONEST feedback, and if AJG or anyone had contacted me asking my opinion about a transaction with you, I would have given them advice to be very cautious.
And this thread supports the feedback I left. Sadly, it STILL seems to have gone un-heeded. As for the others who came forward to me privately, the conversations are en route to a MOD.
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I must admit, I've been following this thread but it seems like the more that is written, the more confusing it becomes. It doesn't appear that any issues are being addressed and fixed, it's like MCM comes across as dancing around the issue instead of providing details and working on a solution :huh:
I really do hope that the OP and MCM are able to work things out to some extent and get some closure on this subject.
I would find it equally difficult to come forward regarding a transaction that didn't go smoothly with another member, especially anyone so prominent in the community. I'm interested to see how all of this plays out though. I agree that it's good to bring it to the boards and for each person to tell their side and mediate through it, whatever it takes to make things right for both parties.
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"Moreso, if you felt cheated on the transaction, why did you decide to buy AJG's ponies off ebay? "
I didn't feel cheated and I am not always the best with names so when I did a BIN for $13 for a pony apron and $15 for a moondancer stamp from "thebrain79" I hadn't put together this was AJG.
She updates a post here about her ebay sales and I offer to buy through the arena. I had also put in an offer to buy a MO spike (cartoon eyes to match the princess dragons) for $25.
So I sent over $56 paypal as a gift option originally thinking she'd pulled the listing for spike down after we agreed to go through the arena for sales. So the way I saw it, ebay and paypal were gonna charge her about $8-9 in fees and so I only sent over $25 for the dragon when she apparently had countered with $30. Then I come to find out she hadn't pulled the listing and someone had put in an offer through ebay. So now I didn't want her or myself to get in ebay trouble and so just rolled with it and sent over another $5 with a comment - yes it can be perceived as a poke - but I was not meant as a stab or to gut someone "well I guess no good deed goes unpunished"
So again, apparently I really really offended AJG and yet I honestly never got a chance to tell her I wasn't the happiest camper in the house and can we sort this out... until this thread appears
so is there a writer in the house that can turn this into a good soap episode ;-) ?
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MCM I believe the problem here is that your communication was spotty with AJG as soon as a problem arose. The Mod Team was made aware of this situation about a month back, so it was not AJG who drug it out. It was us waiting and being fair that a resolution would be reached before AJG had to make a TS thread, warning members. She was advised to do so as communication had stopped once she sent back the accessories.
I am putting a WARNING out now, keep it civil and to the facts. Thank you!
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no - no this is not about scamming = this is one huge big pile of misunderstanding that so proves my messaging is so way worse than in person communicating because we cannot get any inflection or body language or any of at least the 75% of non-verbal communication that is helpful in sorting things out
believe me, this is why I didn't become a diplomat = my blunt style does not translate well I agree
Post Merge: January 02, 2014, 01:38:01 AM
"I am not a member of the slaughterhouse, or anything like it"
fine, bad reference to early Arena days of which I only know by being unable to open that link...
never said omitting half the story is you lying - again, this is all about proving perspective is not reality. Each has a viewpoint of what is going on, and it doesn't always match and we are all now trying to sort it out. Now about your retelling how you remember all that time ago what happened all I am gonna say to that is that is not how I saw it, each entitled to their opinion and you did your damage as you felt entitled to with my one and only EVER negative rating - so I would think you would be sated at this time, but perhaps not... whatever makes you happy in the end - hope you are happy
so thank you, Stormy, for clarifying if it was instead a Spoosh sale = than I apologize for my not remembering and crediting the seller properly.
Here's my philosophy
Two monks walking along a path, one old, one young. It is morning. They come to a small river/stream. Monks are forbidden to touch women. There is a woman standing at the river bank. The older monk picks up the woman, carries her across the stream and puts her down. The two monks then continue on in silence. At days end, the younger monk states "Why did you carry that woman?" The older monk replies - " I put her down at the river bank, you are still carrying her."
So I find out now, AJG has been carrying this mess in her head for all these months and so am trying to sort out what she wants me to do, with what I want to do so we can all move forward
Post Merge: January 02, 2014, 01:56:13 AM
And YES YOU DID ASK ME FOR THE FULL AMOUNT BACK, and THAT is EXACTLY what you RECEIVED.
after we couldn't come to a partial refund agreement - I agreed to send you the pony back.
You declined the partial refund I offered you 8 months before, and THEN tried to use that against me and bully me into selling you a $50 pony for around $5. When you could not have your way, THAT was when you decided to force a refund out of me. I could have said no and told you to leave, but I would rather have kept my precious Blossom than have her feel unwanted.
Yes, I did inspect the pony to make sure it was the right one when I got her, because even before you received your money back, I did a quick search and saw you were buying the same pony 2-3 times over on eBay - the ones you were buying were in disgusting condition. So, yes, I checked to be certain.
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OK - now I am calling this out as a fabrication. I only re-bought an alt pose blossom once - after I returned yours. True my replacement for $20 is not pristine = she has discoloration in spots, unlike yours. So like I referenced earlier, I have learned that a purple Mexican in that good shape is not an easy find. We will continue to agree to disagree if that makes her an $80 item and if that was indeed a discount as there are opinions about ebay pricing not always being the best indicator of a true price. whatever
Applejackgirl, if I were you, I would just count your blessings, accept your losses, and move on. Don't return a pony or feel you have to do anything you don't want to. MCM returned Blossom because she felt she overpaid 8 MONTHS after buying (since other ponies of the same type surfaced - gee, I wish I could go back to the 1990s and buy Microsoft stock like that, right? Or maybe get back all the money I spent on non-winning lottery tickets?), not because I whined about having my Blossom back.
See this was the reason I didn't leave negative feedback - I was thankful that Stormy returned the pony and am glad to hear she found her a good home as that admittedly had been her lament that now I had ruined her chances of reselling it.
No worries, honey! I NEVER lamented the fact that I could not sell her for as much. I merely pointed that out to you as a warning for the future, since many other sellers would have simply ended communication with you and not honored a return. But I back my ponies to the millionth degree...
At any rate, whatever happens happens - I guess we'll have to wait to read AJGs comments here
Sorry I was typing this out before I saw the warning! AJG, I am so sorry for you - I feel for you through all of this. Please post soon!
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OK now I am lost - what issues am I dancing around?
Post Merge: January 02, 2014, 02:24:34 AM
You declined the partial refund I offered you 8 months before, and THEN tried to use that against me and bully me into selling you a $50 pony for around $5. When you could not have your way, THAT was when you decided to force a refund out of me. I could have said no and told you to leave, but I would rather have kept my precious Blossom than have her feel unwanted
oh geesh, is this how you remember it?? I don't even remember declining a refund and the item later was an edgar I was asking you to sell to me for $25 so I have no clue where you remember it was $5
see pony peeps how all this misunderstanding can occur? Geesh, your blossom was never unwanted I was just a scared noobie who felt I had been snookered because of my ignorance but was at least thankful you honored a return and then really prayed you wouldn't be hurt if you later resold her which is why there was only positive / neutral stuff on the boards here to my recalling it... but at any rate, I think we can all say we are older/wiser now
oh and I never meant you to feel forced as you had every right to say you weren't accepting returns / my loss and I would still not have posted a negative and just written it off as a good learning experience. I would not have sent anything to mods and complained on the trader boards.
So my position has always been I asked you to return and get a refund and you agreed = no one forced anyone for anything I thought we were settling and it was all good but apparently it wasn't... so my apologies as I never meant for you to STILL feel hurt and all twisted up over this
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OK now I am lost - what issues am I dancing around?
Post Merge: January 02, 2014, 02:24:34 AM
You declined the partial refund I offered you 8 months before, and THEN tried to use that against me and bully me into selling you a $50 pony for around $5. When you could not have your way, THAT was when you decided to force a refund out of me. I could have said no and told you to leave, but I would rather have kept my precious Blossom than have her feel unwanted
oh geesh, is this how you remember it?? I don't even remember declining a refund and the item later was an edgar I was asking you to sell to me for $25 so I have no clue where you remember it was $5
see pony peeps how all this misunderstanding can occur? Geesh, your blossom was never unwanted I was just a scared noobie who felt I had been snookered because of my ignorance but was at least thankful you honored a return and then really prayed you wouldn't be hurt if you later resold her which is why there was only positive / neutral stuff on the boards here to my recalling it... but at any rate, I think we can all say we are older/wiser now
Just so you know I would never lie to you, here is the PM where you offered me $5 for the shipping:
heya :-)
well I know I kinda left the whole mexican blossom rehair issue for a bit... and again don't think you are anything but an honest seller and I do like her nonetheless but still hoping for a small deduction off that transaction since it was pretty much confirmed she's a likely rehair = used vintage tail hair probably, but still...
so ginaiam over at TP (and maybe here?) likes edgar and I would l-o-v-e to send a little ROAPK her way and so hoping = would you consider my offer to pay for your ship costs if you would pull your edgar from ebay and mail it to Gina? I'd be happy with that as my discount on the mexican blossom and it'd make my day as much as I am hoping to surprise Gina since she gave me a pick-me-up phonecall not too long ago
So let me know if that is acceptable and I can send you over her mail addy and gift to paypal for $5 - hoping that would cover fees etc.
thanks and I know it's not a regular sale so thanks for considering :-)
Monica
You were never "snookered," and it was never concluded that she was a rehair.
Now deal with your CURRENT issues... This transaction was closed the instant you got your money back.
Mods, I apologize for not staying on topic. And I will do so from now on...
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oh that is from me saying the edgar was $25 and here is $5 to cover shipping since I was still thinking we were negotiating a partial refund from the blossom I was willing to find a pony item to offset the discount.
Fine you didn't want to sell that item for that amount and consider that as a solution. Again, boy do I see how all this got twisted into a big ball of unnecessary hurt ... wow on seeing how different our understanding was/is
I never said you snookered me - I felt - please understand it was just how I felt / not you caused anything.
Honestly, for all interested a wonderful philosophy to try is from Byron Katie =
"Is that thought true?"
"Can I know for certain (100%) that thought is true?" (hint - answer is no)
"Where would I be without that thought?"
This situation so exemplifies how our thoughts mucked things up
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Before this thread gets locked, I'd like to make a "constructive criticism" suggestion. If anyone (buyer or seller) feels that money mistakes are being made, the best way to hand this is to write out clear terms from the start. MCM, please don't take offense to this, but your style of writing can be difficult to read & understand. Maybe if you try putting the sale details in a list, it will help both sides in future transactions, and there will be no room for mistakes on either side, be they price, ponies included, or shipping terms.
For example:
SALE DETAILS:
Pony A - $425
Hat - $10
Pony B - $5
Pony C - $5
Shipping (first class with DC & insurance) - $5
Total owed - $450
PAYMENT SCHEDULE
Jan 1st - $100
Jan 14th - $100
Jan 31st - $100
Feb 14th - $100
Feb 28th - $50 ...final payment
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oh that is from me saying the edgar was $25 and here is $5 to cover shipping since I was still thinking we were negotiating a partial refund from the blossom I was willing to find a pony item to offset the discount.
Fine you didn't want to sell that item for that amount and consider that as a solution. Again, boy do I see how all this got twisted into a big ball of unnecessary hurt ... wow on seeing how different our understanding was/is
I never said you snookered me - I felt - please understand it was just how I felt / not you caused anything.
Honestly, for all interested a wonderful philosophy to try is from Byron Katie =
"Is that thought true?"
"Can I know for certain (100%) that thought is true?" (hint - answer is no)
"Where would I be without that thought?"
This situation so exemplifies how our thoughts mucked things up
Nope, Edgar was listed for around $50. hat was your very first message to me. No offer to send me $25.
Here was my reply:
Hello!
That is so sweet of you to want to buy a gift for your friend! I am happy to work with you. I re-read the thread about the rehair concern, and was thinking that maybe we could work something out with a discount for him? The general consensus on a discount (if Blossom had truly been a rehair) was about $15-20. So, how about I take $20 off of Edgar for you? Please let me know what you think. Thanks so much!
Sincerely,
Christina
It was NOT confirmed, and in fact was denied by some more seasoned nirvana collectors, that Blossom was a rehair, but I did not want to have you feel sorry for a purchase you made, so I foolishly let it go. And here was your valuation of where you thought $5 would be a fair offer:
heya Christina -
yep, thanks for checking up on archives, as it seems the consensus was it was a rehair which at least it was a good job of...
I was thinking edgar was more a $20ish kinda pony friend so I was thinking it was a wash in terms of a $20 discount and offering to pay for your shipping and all ...but that's Ok = don't want to break your bank
So I don't mind to keep it simple and give you the chance to make a profit on him as yours is in better than average condition = so I'm be fine with just a $20 credit and we'll call it even/done on the blossom deal and I'll takes my chances on just buying him for that amount elsewhere...
So let me know if just a $20 refund on paypal is fine by you
thanks so much
Monica
In the case with AJG, you probably did make all the promises to her she thinks you did, but you later thought things that happened did not, and made things up as you go along. You have proven yourself good with one transaction at a time, but anything that occurs over time or becomes frustrating, seems to shed or alter details with you. This is the proof right here.
AJG is right to have posted here, and it seems to me you owe her some stuff, so work it out.
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Kitkatvantage left some great advice. MCM, you've outright admitted to being "bad at math," having trouble communicating, and have also admitted to mis-remembering things numerous times. As a seller, these are things you need to be comfortable with: even if it means you document everything; even if it means repeating yourself to the seller. If you are going to continue to sell ponies, you HAVE to find ways to make it easier on yourself. It'd save a lot of headaches like this one.
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For what little it may effect the situation I know Maycrestmom and have met her many times in person and completed several transactions with her.
She's very sweet and kind and I have no doubt she will take care of any problems in any of her transactions if she is aware of them. It takes a little while for her to respond sometimes but she is an awesome person. I know you two will work everything out.
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Seems to me like you keep avoiding dealing with the issue at hand. AJG has come on here and given her experience of the transaction and is giving you the option to tell your side of things and clear the air but you just seem to point the finger at everyone else instead of taking responsibility for your actions within the trade. You keep saying 'maybe I should post the pm's' to show how things happened but so far still nothing. The pm's would help to clear alot of this up. And to be honest some of the comments do come across a bit bullyish.......
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I have also heard from two fellow members, privately, who also had issues during transactions with MCM. Airing issues on a thread like this makes you open to further unpleasant comments, so it is no surprise these other members are discussing their grievances elsewhere. I have alerted the MODs as Stormy did. The point of this was to alert others before they enter into a transaction blindly. Both of the members did express they felt being pushed around during the transaction, which is one of the elements that I also experienced. Regarding the ebay transaction, you never said, can we move the sales over to ebay so you can accept my lower offer, you said:
From: shoppergrrrl
To: thebrain79
Subject: Re: Combined shipping: shoppergrrrl sent a message about My Little Pony Vintage Cookery Pony Apron HTF Adorable Accessory #271336400122
Sent Date: Dec-02-13 14:14:01 PST
Dear thebrain79,
heya Christina!! gosh I feel like an idiot = we are both arena (need a blush emoticon here) = so I totally boffed on connecting applejackgirl to your ebay account I am so so sorry! Hey, did you want to just go through an arena sale? I will be happy to spare you the ebay fees in that case and buy those three items = stamp, dragon and apron thru the arena if you prefer, your call. No pressure of course if you like to keep your ebay sales as strictly ebay, I can always use the ebay bucks you know ;-)
anyhow = didn't mean to leave you hanging on the counter, but glad I figured it out when you posted over at nirvana board and darn! totally missed your argie moondancer = would you happen to have a blue one about?? I was looking for those loose with good symbols/hair
and oh yah - did you sell princess moonbob?? My mexi prince is looking for that variant "bride" if she's available lemme know as again = happy to buy through arena from you
all the best with your sales where ever they are :)
Monica
- shoppergrrrl
You also did not ask me pull the listing, you also knew that I countered you as you said you did not mean to leave me hanging. I responded with the message below. I did not say anything about accepting you offer, pulling the listing, or anything like that.
Dear shoppergrrrl,
Hello there,
That is thoughtful of you to offer to complete elsewhere, that is fine. K****** bought her off site as well to spare me some funds. I don't have any other argie babies to sell right now. I have a baby Applejack and Posey but I am keeping those for a while longer. The only other nirvanas that will be coming up soon is a Dutch Candy, Peru bait Blossom (I wanted one from every country when I had a Blossom army), a Mexi Sundae best pony, and I think that is it for right now. Let me know when you are finished shopping. Talk with you soon.
Christina
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So I received the money, let you know I was still expecting the additional $5 for Spike, and received another message from you. Yes, it upset me. This is what I and others are getting at with your unhelpful communication. It was more than a little snip at me and it was more than I would tolerate.
Re: Other: shoppergrrrl sent a message about My Little Pony Vintage Moondancer Stamp Unopened Pretty Merchandise! #271336417665
From: shoppergrrrl
Sent: Dec-03-13 08:26 PM
Dear thebrain79,
hey Christina - nothing like down to the last nickles than = $5 sent to paypal... guess no good deed goes unpunished you couldn't of pulled that listing? Can you please send me the request to cancel the other purchases I don't want to get in trouble looking like a non-paying buyer when I was trying to be nice dealing with fellow arena and I'm sure you don't want final value fees charged etc.
thanks much
M
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Now, about the Princess transaction. So I receive the package and PM you on 10/16/13 to let you know the difficulty, sent another messages on 11/2 with a response on 11/2. I wrote again on 11/2 and then 11/9 with a reply on 11/12 to let me know you got the accessories back. So you contend that you did not have enough time to get this sorted out, that I did not give you an opportunity to fix this before going to the board, but MCM, how much longer did you need? You may not get on every day but I know for certain you posted on the Arena on 11/8, 11/5, 11/4, 11/3, 10/23, and 10/21. Those are just the posts, mind you. I saw my PM's being read but not responded to. I would see you be logged in and not get any messages back. I think it is interesting that you, MCM, have tried to belittle me saying that I am bringing up an old transaction from the summer but I as the buyer was still actively seeking a resolution just a couple months ago.
Now for those of you reading this thread I have heard this has gotten very confusing, and I agree, but it is for the reason Stormy has pointed out, MCM changes details/her version. MCM, you said you bought this pony for $425 and another for $500 and that I got a steal. Well, let's evaluate that statement. So, the $425 pony came with accessories and a dragon? So you resold the pony to me less the accessories and the dragon for $425 and you have been shorted? I was okay with paying a little more than you did as I was excited for the accessories and I would not have to be bidding on an open market again. So how was this a steal again? You kept the dragon which goes for how much? You also have the accessories which you can sell for how much? You have not lost out. The bay link is in her message below, I have included the picture from the auction since it is so old an then the pony and accessories I received secondly. (the exchange rate has risen, just so you know they do it for current exchange, the rate is not frozen to the time of the sale):
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So you have been collecting very rare and expensive princess variants and you are trying to let on that you did not discern the hat was different until I wrote you? This is what you want me to believe? You wrote this message to me:
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heya cool :-)
just want to be sure since I don't know if keeping set as close to original matters - the one on the right came originally from the seller with the accessories
http://www.ebay.com/itm/330949653290?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
so I will be happy to send her back in that exact shape and she will have her original stuff - she also came with a scarf around her neck not in the picture that the seller said she thought she remembered was original too = so I can send that along
but if you don't mind the swap out = I am fine to send you the fiskycat GITD with accessories and you can then pair her up with your red dragon and it's all good to me
and payments now/tomorrow and the 15th are fine
yay :-) glad to know another UK princess is happy in an arena-member home :-)
oh before I forget did you want to skip on the other regular princesses? no pressure - realize it's after the fair and all
Monica
So that was pretty explicit, you could send those items as well, wouldn't you agree MCM?
The reason you are unwilling to work with me or respond to my needs as a buyer was because I sent the money to you as a gift. I can be upset about this all I want but you really don't care because you got your pony paid for and the accessories as a free gift to you and I cannot pull any of those monies back. This is the lesson for all the other members out there. So now what would you like to say, MCM?
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Seems to me like you keep avoiding dealing with the issue at hand. AJG has come on here and given her experience of the transaction and is giving you the option to tell your side of things and clear the air but you just seem to point the finger at everyone else instead of taking responsibility for your actions within the trade. You keep saying 'maybe I should post the pm's' to show how things happened but so far still nothing. The pm's would help to clear alot of this up. And to be honest some of the comments do come across a bit bullyish.......
To answer your question MCM, what Stormpony said in the quote above is what I meant when I said it appears as though you're dancing around the issue. The constant bickering with another member about a transaction that has nothing to do with this one, or inserting favourite quotes or mantras to live by, do nothing more than confuse the issue further.
I'm not trying to attack you, much like others on the arena, I would just like to see this resolved. I was simply pointing out that although you've offered to share your side as well as PM's, you still really haven't done either, not to mention how some of your responses come across as standoffish.
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OK still trying to process as I am getting bullied by two pro sellers here -
The $525 GITD had the accessories. So please do not confuse the situation further AJG I didn't buy the Spoosh GITD. I won one without accessories for $425 and with shipping comes to $435. I won the second that had accessories for $525 and shipping so $535. So I am going off of your original comment to me in July
:) I am on the fence about the accessories, not a huge deal for me
and sorry to surprise you, but yah, I can be into nirvana and not all anal perceptive... sorry I am a big picture not a little detail person. So yes, I honestly got the hats wrong as until I really look at something it all looks the same. Seriously I am not a picky collector. You can imply what you want, but folks who know me, know that I am not one to have thought this whole thing out like some chess game to screw you since you paid as a gift option... so wow, hadn't even occurred to me you were gonna go the level of a paypal claim over this misunderstanding? Take the pony and then my money when you aren't happy? And so you are pissed that option is off the table?
So I guess now I will use your similar tact how I "never asked" explicitly for you to take the listing down so you didn't. Well no, you never asked me specifically - you merely said you didn't need a dragon - in regards to exactly what accessories. So you got accessories and no dragon.
So to AJG and Stormy I am always to meet my implied "promise" but I am never to have similar assumptions of them if I am not explicit = so how is that fair?
And it is fine for AJG to twist facts and make up a story but I cannot have a different viewpoint that may be equally valid... ok, this is not how to solve a problem. I am usually a meet in the middle kind of person. I am not all about the wrestle and take down to the mat = is that how you see this? Can we agree that this situation is all kinda shades of gray but we are both good people? Or are you sticking to the AJG - a well seasoned seller and actually a much more adept nirvana collector in this community - is a pure victim all the way around? really...
I will agree I cannot expect you to read my mind, I apologize for my feeling a bit hurt and blurting that out in regards to finishing our ebay transaction. But honestly, the simple response AJG would have been to post back to me directly like what you did above that you didn't pull the listing since I didn't ask and I would've said, "yep you're right, I'm sorry I snapped - it's only $5 = good for you." And hopefully you would've realized that yah, why get so wrapped up in something that is past?
Oh and for the psychological attack of implied gossip elsewhere and "alerting the mods" - really? Folks who deal with me in person and here know that my biggest fault is at first jumping to conclusions but with a bit of discussing things I am an overall easy-going person and like to problem solve so we are all happy in the end, like I said = we deal with toys so my general view is if it ain't fun, I wouldn't be here.
The problem with these posts/this forum is that the conversation cannot occur because so much is said and not replied to, other folks join in, sidetracks occur and in the end - now I see what mikeysgirl was saying = it seems we are all just dancing.
To me, you are not a big accessories person. You got a $425 item I paid $435 for same. You then made 3 sales and netted more than ebay would've given you since I paid as a gift option.
Admittedly I got a bit scared when you hadn't closed the other two purchases and I had already sent over gift money so I had a flash worry of this might get ugly if you wanted to screw me. So that was my frame of mind when I joked/poked "no good deed" - guess this is my karma payback? But I am still not seeing how you are so hurt other than feelings at the end of 2013. And I cannot solve anything going on in your head...
guess if you wanted folks to see laundry out to dry - you accomplished that ;-) anything else? (please know I am not trying to be mean, I swear this is where I just know words are limited and not able to really communicate well)
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I think the bottom line here is that when 2 people buy & sell together, and the buyer is sent a picture of specific items, a price is set, and the money is paid, then the buyer should receive exactly what was pictured & agreed upon from the start.
What the seller originally paid for the items (be that higher or lower than the agreed upon price), has nothing to do with the seller NOT sending exactly what was purchased.
This statement is not meant to be perceived as "bullying". This is a simple matter of being a reliable seller. I'm sorry that you two are caught up in this mess, but all of these extra details are not helping to reach a solution. Either those very specific accessories need to be sent to AJG or a partial refund of their value needs to be sent. Withholding them because you were not previously aware of their value reflects very poorly on your reliability as a seller, MCM.
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OK still trying to process as I am getting bullied by two pro sellers here -
No, sweetheart, no one bullied YOU. And the very essence of what makes anyone a "pro seller" is their willingness to make things right and own up to their responsibilities as a seller.
:) I am on the fence about the accessories, not a huge deal for me
and sorry to surprise you, but yah, I can be into nirvana and not all anal perceptive... sorry I am a big picture not a little detail person. So yes, I honestly got the hats wrong as until I really look at something it all looks the same. Seriously I am not a picky collector.
If you are not a picky collector, then why did you go on a rehair witchhunt with the pony I sold you, and whine about two very small purple marks on a purple pony and hassle me into a return 8 months later over it?
AJG wanting the CORRECT Accessories, that YOU agreed to sell her, is not being PICKY. Send them. She paid for them.
You can imply what you want, but folks who know me, know that I am not one to have thought this whole thing out like some chess game to screw you since you paid as a gift option... so wow, hadn't even occurred to me you were gonna go the level of a paypal claim over this misunderstanding?
Take the pony and then my money when you aren't happy? And so you are pissed that option is off the table?
It would appear that your lack of response and concern for AJG getting what she paid for suggests you may have been hiding behind the fact that she cannot do anything about a gift payment. No one is calling you a theif, but perhaps a case opened would have gotten your attention better than the ignored PMs.
So I guess now I will use your similar tact how I "never asked" explicitly for you to take the listing down so you didn't. Well no, you never asked me specifically - you merely said you didn't need a dragon - in regards to exactly what accessories. So you got accessories and no dragon.
So to AJG and Stormy I am always to meet my implied "promise" but I am never to have similar assumptions of them if I am not explicit = so how is that fair?
And it is fine for AJG to twist facts and make up a story but I cannot have a different viewpoint that may be equally valid... ok, this is not how to solve a problem. I am usually a meet in the middle kind of person. I am not all about the wrestle and take down to the mat = is that how you see this? Can we agree that this situation is all kinda shades of gray but we are both good people? Or are you sticking to the AJG - a well seasoned seller and actually a much more adept nirvana collector in this community - is a pure victim all the way around? really...
Please stop with the pity party already! You could have avoided all this mess if you had just either sent the accessories you promised, and the other princess ponies you promised, or if you felt like you were owed some more money, told AJG where to send it, so she could get what she was supposed to!
Yes, sellers get rotten buyers from time to time, but that really does not seem like the case here.
I will agree I cannot expect you to read my mind, I apologize for my feeling a bit hurt and blurting that out in regards to finishing our ebay transaction. But honestly, the simple response AJG would have been to post back to me directly like what you did above that you didn't pull the listing since I didn't ask and I would've said, "yep you're right, I'm sorry I snapped - it's only $5 = good for you." And hopefully you would've realized that yah, why get so wrapped up in something that is past?
Okay, so when you were the buyer of AJG's items, even though there was a misunderstanding, and she did not want to lose $5, did she not end up sending you ALL the items you asked for and paid for anyway? It makes no sense that you would act this way as a seller to her.
Oh and for the psychological attack of implied gossip elsewhere and "alerting the mods" - really? Folks who deal with me in person and here know that my biggest fault is at first jumping to conclusions but with a bit of discussing things I am an overall easy-going person and like to problem solve so we are all happy in the end, like I said = we deal with toys so my general view is if it ain't fun, I wouldn't be here.
I would LOVE to see the fun and easygoing side of you! None of these are meant to be "psychological attacks," they are truth. This is supposed to be a call for you to spring to action and hold up your end of a deal. You were given the opportunity in private to do so, and you did not. So, this thread comes about, and you are STILL ignoring the issue.
The problem with these posts/this forum is that the conversation cannot occur because so much is said and not replied to, other folks join in, sidetracks occur and in the end - now I see what mikeysgirl was saying = it seems we are all just dancing.
My sidetrack, I do apologize for, but I was not going to sit here and read, and not call you out when you are contradicting yourself. You should not have expectations of others that you are unable or unwilling to have of yourself. Nor should you point out mistakes in others that you are guilty of.
To me, you are not a big accessories person. You got a $425 item I paid $435 for same. You then made 3 sales and netted more than ebay would've given you since I paid as a gift option.
Any value here or money made or not made is completely IRRELEVANT. I have no idea why this has even been brought up!? AJG is a COLLECTOR. She wanted a PONY and some ACCESSORIES to go with it! You think sellers don't have a few ponies for themselves? So a pony's selling price after you have sold it to another person is completely none of your business.
Admittedly I got a bit scared when you hadn't closed the other two purchases and I had already sent over gift money so I had a flash worry of this might get ugly if you wanted to screw me. So that was my frame of mind when I joked/poked "no good deed" - guess this is my karma payback? But I am still not seeing how you are so hurt other than feelings at the end of 2013. And I cannot solve anything going on in your head...
guess if you wanted folks to see laundry out to dry - you accomplished that ;-) anything else? (please know I am not trying to be mean, I swear this is where I just know words are limited and not able to really communicate well)
You may have worried for 5 seconds, but you received EXACTLY what you paid for from AJG. Why are you not returning the favor?
This would be over completely if you either:
1. Supplied proof of any error on AJG's end,
OR
2. Admit you may have been a bit careless and send the items you owe AJG
It is that simple.
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This thread is difficult to folow, however, I feel so strongly about my relationship that I'm going to say this:
I have personally met and dealt with MCM at several pony meets and she has ALWAYS been a fair seller, would offer discouts and allow me to set up payments etc.
Sometimes math became fuzzy but it always worked out to both of our satisfaction as long as we went over things (Monica is a busy mom of 3 kids so I know she has a lot going on around her that may sometimes contribute to any confusion)
I would gladly deal with MCM in the future and consider her a friend.
that's my .02 as I believe its important that even though Monica is getting some other bad feedback, the GOOD deserves to be aired as well
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I thank everyone for their contributions but at this point let's get back on track. Which is the accessory issue between MCM and AJG. Thank you!
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I think the bottom line here is that when 2 people buy & sell together, and the buyer is sent a picture of specific items, a price is set, and the money is paid, then the buyer should receive exactly what was pictured & agreed upon from the start.
What the seller originally paid for the items (be that higher or lower than the agreed upon price), has nothing to do with the seller NOT sending exactly what was purchased.
This statement is not meant to be perceived as "bullying". This is a simple matter of being a reliable seller. I'm sorry that you two are caught up in this mess, but all of these extra details are not helping to reach a solution. Either those very specific accessories need to be sent to AJG or a partial refund of their value needs to be sent. Withholding them because you were not previously aware of their value reflects very poorly on your reliability as a seller, MCM.
This is about how I feel. At the core of it, a buyer needs to know that they'll be getting all the items they agreed upon from a seller, not an excuse. And a good seller, when they slip up, works to make it right asap. This thread is just...concerning, that's all.
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For what little it may effect the situation I know Maycrestmom and have met her many times in person and completed several transactions with her.
She's very sweet and kind and I have no doubt she will take care of any problems in any of her transactions if she is aware of them. It takes a little while for her to respond sometimes but she is an awesome person. I know you two will work everything out.
Ditto
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Sounds like what is needed here is a good arbitrator, maybe a MOD, whom both sides agree to and agree to be bound by their decision and who can look through all the messages and PayPal records and listen to both stories and then come to a fair and equitable decision. :)
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I've been following this too, having never dealt with either of you (that I can remember) hoping to be impartial and figure out a solution for you both, but wow, this is confusing. Maybe we need to submit the PM's and paypal records to a mod, who can sort this out, and maybe construct a graphic of the original trade/purchase:
AJG <---------------------> MCM
$ amount GITD Princess
Accessories
Princesses
and then what each member has in their possession:
AJG MCM
GITD Princess $ amount
$ amount? Accessories
Princesses
and complete or reverse the transaction from there?
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The Mod Team would be more than happy to mediate for the two of you. If both of you could send communications to either Ringlets or I, we will take it to the team to be discussed.
Hopefully we will be able to help sort through this obviously very confusing transaction.
Also at this point anything irrelevant will be deleted.
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Hefty and Ember, I am glad that you have had success with your friend. I however, was not afforded the luxury of proper communication. Would you have expected to wait over 2 weeks for communication when you had purchased an over $400 pony? Your friend did this to me. I would see her log on and off and log on and post and log off but never reply. When she discovered she had miscalculated and I owed some additional monies I wrote her back to confirm that I should send the incorrect accessories and send the money. She never replied. She continued to log on and be friends with you and others but to me she just left me waiting for a reply. I sent the incorrect accessories back in good faith she would continue to work with me but then I received a message from her to say the transaction was finished, no other options were given to me. I did look back at the payments when she told me that the payments were short and I did send $425 between 4 payments, so I do not dispute that and did offer to send the difference. However when MCM became difficult to communicate with I was not going to send more money until I had the remaining details sorted. She also has been very slippery on here when discussing this transaction. We discussed in PMs that the accessories were variant ones but then she gets on here and says she did not know they were different, alleges that she just sent whatever accessories and thought we had agreed for me to keep them, but we never said anything like that, she made that up. She only replied once before the accessories were sent. This was the reply
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« Sent to: Applejackgirl on: November 02, 2013, 01:17:36 PM »
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oh dear - sorry I slipped on this deal :blush: I did completely forget about the other princesses :blush: and then I boffed on telling you payments due to only total $425...ugh
OK = so I have been digging through the PMs and here is what I found - sure we can work all this out :-) sorry again for my mush brain and all of reality smacking at once
this from August 4th (changed the font color to keep track of the cut-paste in this PM)
so I will be happy to send her back in that exact shape and she will have her original stuff - she also came with a scarf around her neck not in the picture that the seller said she thought she remembered was original too = so I can send that along
but if you don't mind the swap out = I am fine to send you the fiskycat GITD with accessories and you can then pair her up with your red dragon and it's all good to me
and payments now/tomorrow and the 15th are fine
yay :-) glad to know another UK princess is happy in an arena-member home :-)
oh before I forget did you want to skip on the other regular princesses? no pressure - realize it's after the fair and all
Monica
I think my last message was blank, rofl, sorry about that!! I would be fine with the swap out, the one with the current blue tail is just "speaking" to me, lol. Silly, right??!! Scarf?? I remember reading that in the listing and thought it would be a home made item. But if you say she thinks that is original, I am intrigued!! And I did skip over the other princesses... yes, please, I would still like them, trying to get them for cheap on ebay is hard because of the shipping.
so after your response I figured I was sending you fiskycat's princess along with accessories and that it didn't matter to be with the accessories that went with the other put-together. So yes, the hat is another I thought was a close match and that's why there were differences = sorry for the confusion on that part.
and then there is this PM from August 15
So total is $467.50 regular paypal or if you go as a gift $453.75 :-) = both have tracking (didn't add insurance as I figure main thing is for her not to get lost!)
she's all packed and ready to go - just send me your ship addy here if I don't get it through paypal
thanks!!
Monica
So I am so sorry that when the payments got spread way out, I got confused and then when I was telling you/keeping track of payments you had sent in like $200 and I was like "$225 to go" or something to that effect - that was the PM that got us off track as I didn't think thereafter about including princesses... so sorry
I just got an Amber in her box so switched out my loose one, so I have a decent Miss Yellow for sale/trade. I have a bait tiffany = haircut. I have a primrose and royal blue in fine shape. So were you looking for bait? I'll be happy to mail you tiffany gratis in apology for the mix-up. Were you interested in the 3 others?
I cannot find the PMs on how we discussed those/price-wise - so any luck on your end? I'll be happy to sell and mail them - just need to work out a payment for them :-)
So at any rate thanks for the ping = yep let me know how you want to handle things from here :-)
Monica
That last line said we would work through it but then she never did. She waited for me to return the items and then just kept them. I believe the heart of the matter is that she does not want to give up the accessories now and that is why she would not agree to me remitting the difference and closing this up.
The Mod Team would be more than happy to mediate for the two of you. If both of you could send communications to either Ringlets or I, we will take it to the team to be discussed.
Hopefully we will be able to help sort through this obviously very confusing transaction. Also at this point anything irrelevant to the original issue at hand will be deleted.
Ponylady- I believe you are in possession of all of the communication between us. I would accept any further direction from you in this matter. I have given MCM ample opportunity to sort it out with me privately but her unwillingness to resolve this brings me to you. Please let me know if there is anything further that you need from me?
Final comment regarding the ebay transaction... MCM has also contended that she offered a "win-win" deal. Let it be known that the Spike she offered $25 on was listed at $35. So her win win scenario was for me lose out on $10 from the offer price but gain back $8-9 in ebay fees... so I was still actually losing money. When I countered back at $30 I was actually gaining a little back and she was not having to pay full price. That would be what I would consider a good deal for both, it is unfortunate MCM became very unpleasant in her message to me.
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Just sticking my foot in here -
Any further mention of the SH and it's contents will have the member banned from the Arena.
MCM - this means you.
I have removed the comments thus far.
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"I have given MCM ample opportunity to sort it out with me privately"
ah no...
This is where we have a major perception difference. A week is not two weeks (and I have waited longer from other members for more expensive items, but whatever, you can be different). I thought I had sent you a PM - sorry, I share my desktop and I will sometimes have this site up and a PM started and leave then come back, type more... thought I sent you message which was why I was in the frame of mind I was awaiting your response = I was not expecting you to send me the accessories back.
So we have a perception problem.
I have no PMs from you after my message saying I think we are done - you paid $425 and you now have a GITD. If that was not satisfactory to you, then I needed to read that = I have nothing.
I have no PMs from you after I send you $5 and a request to please cancel my purchase (since I'd paid as a gift already). I had no idea you've been a ball of hurt for months now... way too long in my book
As a gesture of fairness I am sending over $20 to your paypal. Sorry you felt hurt in your dealings with me... I felt hurt by your not PMing me privately and trying to solve things - really solve things.
You still want to leave negative feedback, feel free. Some people just need to focus on the glass is half empty
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why wouldnt you just send her the correct accessories that she paid for? isnt that the crux here? she paid for accessories that she didnt recieve therefore sending her the CORRECT accessories would close out the trade.
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She didn't pay for accessories. There is no trade going on.
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She did pay originally for accessories AND baits. Why don't you send the missing items??
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I think the easy way to sort this is go back to original trade. Pony, baits, accessories (if available still)- correct money paid as portrayed at the beginning. When this is done trade is finished. Happy days. Mcm Some of your writings are confusing. Me and you had a nice trade with variants. But it saddens me to see another member not so happy.
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She didn't pay for accessories. There is no trade going on.
The thing is she did pay for the accessories from my understanding of all this. I would highly advise you to not send anything to her Paypal account until you both can come to an agreement on this. That's like giving a child a cookie and say here, stop crying cause I can't deal with it. It needs worked out.
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MCM, you may feel sorry that you did not do more research on the hat, but from what I am reading, you are no longer the owner of those accessories. At this point, it looks like you decides not to let go of those accessories last minute, and tried to switch them out thinking AJG would not notice.
It is considered stealing in my opinion to not send part of an order or something ot than what your buyer and you agreed upon. And as for any money owed, it is your responsibility to keep track of payments. After reading everything, even I am confused as to how much AJG was supposed to pay you for the ponies and accessories.
What blows my mind, is that if this were an eBay transaction, you would be being forced to do the right thing. It makes me very sad to see all this. It truly does.
And a Word of caution to all members: Every pony swindler on this boards history had a few great transactions under their belts, so one or two great deals doesn't mean a bad one is okay. Not saying you are a scammer, MCM. I just want to see people take everything into consideration with all transactions they enter into.
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This seems fairly simple - if there was payment made for accessories and they weren't sent... then just send them to her. :(
I hope the mods are able to work this out... :( What a frustrating situation this seems to be for all involved...
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I have broken this down for MCM and told her what she must do.
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I have broken this down for MCM and told her what she must do.
Glad to hear that Loa, it seems to be so clear in the beginning and got so confused somehow, and keeps twisting further and further away from the original agreement.
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I have broken this down for MCM and told her what she must do.
:bigups: Thank you Loa
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I haven't received any communications here from MCM, I am not sure what actions she is taking. I did get the $20 via paypal but I am not sure what it is for. MCM was logged in earlier today so I thought maybe I would have heard something by now.
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I posted on the 4th and sent you a paypal message and just now sent you a PM. In between then I was PMing Mods
Hope you have a fantastic 2014 :-)
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MCM, I don't understand. If what AJG bought was the pony with correct accessories, and she didn't pay enough (which sounds like an accident on both your parts, not a scam), why not send her the correct accessories and get her to send the remaining funds? I don't see how sending her $20 via paypal solves anything.
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This is why I enjoy this place, people talking out thier problems instead of disolving into a flame war. :)
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I did receive a message yesterday from MCM. I was a bit confused. While pleasant, the note merely confirmed the receipt of the $20 refund and did not (again) give any other options to resolve this issue nor did it discuss the accessories at all. I am not sure what to say at this point.
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I'm sorry to hear that, AJG. I was hoping to see some resolution to this issue but it doesn't seem like your seller is planning to ever send you what she agreed to sell you.
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I've read all the posts and I'm a bit confused why MCM sent the $20 and seems to be finished with the transaction with AJG. I don't remember reading MCM owed any monies, I thought AJG was due ponies and/or accessories.
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I'd refuse or send back the payment, AJG. :/ Just because MCM says that finishes the transaction doesn't make it so. If you owe her a bit more money for what you originally agreed upon (and at this point I have no idea if you do or not), wouldn't the easiest thing for her to do be to invoice you for the remainder and then send accessories/princesses and complete the transaction as agreed originally? I just don't see why this has dragged on so long. Being mad at someone doesn't mean you renege on agreements.
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My thought is MCM is no longer in possession of what she owes AJG, which is why she sent the money. But she should probably explain herself.
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Hmm...at this point in time, what are the items she didn't send worth, more or less? In the neighborhood of $20? (Hope springs eternal)
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Variant princess accessories are very tough to price. They are rarely for sale, and more likely to be found & sold with a pony (such as in eBay) than to be sold individually between collectors. That's part of the problem here. It's not like saying a normal hat is worth $8, or a normal comb is worth $6 (just as an example). If someone were asking for a price check on those items, as an experienced Nirvana collector, my advice would be "take offers" because they are so hard to assign a fair value.
The best way to work out this bad situation (as many others have said), would be for AJG to pay what's owed (if anything... I'm having a hard time sorting that out from the pm's shown), and MCM to send the correct accessories and additional princess ponies. At this point, which all the hard feelings involved, it would probably be best to send the money & items to a neutral third party who could then forward the money & items on to the other person. That way no one feels cheated or unable to trust the other party.
Just my two cents...
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Variant princess accessories are very tough to price. They are rarely for sale, and more likely to be found & sold with a pony (such as in eBay) than to be sold individually between collectors. That's part of the problem here. It's not like saying a normal hat is worth $8, or a normal comb is worth $6 (just as an example). If someone were asking for a price check on those items, as an experienced Nirvana collector, my advice would be "take offers" because they are so hard to assign a fair value.
The best way to work out this bad situation (as many others have said), would be for AJG to pay what's owed (if anything... I'm having a hard time sorting that out from the pm's shown), and MCM to send the correct accessories and additional princess ponies. At this point, which all the hard feelings involved, it would probably be best to send the money & items to a neutral third party who could then forward the money & items on to the other person. That way no one feels cheated or unable to trust the other party.
Just my two cents...
That sounds like a great idea.
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Just a FYI for all reading, the solution that MCM decided for herself of the $20 was not made by the Mod Team here. ;)
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Those varient accessories are so HTF that its really hard to say what they would be worth should they go up for sale individually, and offers would probably have to be taken as KKV mentioned. I would certainly think more than $20 though
Just a FYI for all reading, the solution that MCM decided for herself of the $20 was not made by the Mod Team here. ;)
*nods* thanks for posting that Ponylady just incase anyone was wondering about the $20 refund :awake:
MCM did have a solution put forward to her though to solve the issues and clear this up.
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I have not received any further communication from MCM. :huh:
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I am going to point out one last time that anything irrelevant, such as telling MCM to own up to her mistakes is going to be deleted and the thread locked. I am sorry, it is not doing any good at this point. If she wants to come back and make things right that is going to be between AJG and the Mods. *last warning* As I see my other two seemed to have been ignored.
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Just a FYI for all reading, the solution that MCM decided for herself of the $20 was not made by the Mod Team here. ;)
I am going to point out one last time that anything irrelevant, such as telling MCM to own up to her mistakes is going to be deleted and the thread locked. I am sorry, it is not doing any good at this point. If she wants to come back and make things right that is going to be between AJG and the Mods. *last warning* As I see my other two seemed to have been ignored.
Thanks for letting us know. Hopefully we see a positive resolution to this - please update us if it happens! :( *hugs to our wonderful mods for trying to work this out!*
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I have not received any further communication from MCM. :huh:
So did This ever come to a Resolution or is it still Open?
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Hey Shelti! Nothing further has happened since I last posted...
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Nope.. no news :(
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Nope.. no news :(
Hey Shelti! Nothing further has happened since I last posted...
Bummer,
I have broken this down for MCM and told her what she must do.
I had hoped that it would have come to a Resolution for you Applejackgirl