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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: LadyMoondancer on November 20, 2013, 11:32:26 PM
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So what do I find in my emails today but a message from Youtube saying that my video of Rescue at Midnight Castle has been BLOCKED on "copyright grounds" by Hasbro Studios LLC!
I understand that the content belongs to them, but it's not like I was making money off of it, nor were they losing money, seeing as this was a 20 year old video.
Bizarrely, they haven't blocked Escape from Catrina, which is also on my channel.
I don't even know. I may write them a letter.
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Maybe they intend to re-release it on DVD and that's why they blocked it?
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So what do I find in my emails today but a message from Youtube saying that my video of Rescue at Midnight Castle has been BLOCKED on "copyright grounds" by Hasbro Studios LLC!
I understand that the content belongs to them, but it's not like I was making money off of it, nor were they losing money, seeing as this was a 20 year old video.
Bizarrely, they haven't blocked Escape from Catrina, which is also on my channel.
I don't even know. I may write them a letter.
I don't see that writing a letter would do any good. It's copyrighted material. It's against youtube's ToS to put it up. Yes, a lot of things on youtube sneak by without being taken down, but that doesn't mean they're actually allowed, it just means that the company hasn't asked for it be removed yet. Hasbro and YouTube have every right to remove copyrighted material that was uploaded without their permission.
From YouTube:
It is important to note that your video can still be affected by a claim of copyright infringement, even if you have...
-Given credit to the copyright owner
-Refrained from monetizing the infringing video
-Noticed similar videos that appear on YouTube
-Purchased the content on iTunes, a CD, or DVD
-Recorded the content yourself from TV, a movie theater, or the radio
-Stated that “no copyright infringement is intended”
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Yes they have the right to take it down. It's still rather foolish because the only thing having it up on youtube does is help the company. People watch it, enjoy it, talk about it, thus enjoyinh their brand and possibly going out ot buy their product. If they aren't selling any copies of the material having then they aren't losing any money. Blocking the content doesn't help them, it hinders them. Unless they intend to release it on dvd at some point. Which I suppose couldn't hurt.
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Legally- they have to protect their copyrights or they can lose the right to protest later.
I noticed they took a bunch of their copyrighted stuff off lately- Jem fans are complaining because they wiped the Jem episodes off too.
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That sucks. :/ Sorry to hear that. I thiiiink you can dispute the claim. I make youtube videos (working on an Equestria Girls review at the moment too. x3), and I've had to dispute the claims before because of fair use and all that jazz. If there isn't an option to, then I suppose you could just e-mail the youtube peeps. I haven't tried that though, so I'm not sure what response you'll get.
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Directly taking a full movie and putting it on youtube doesn't fall under fair use, sorry. I know people would love to be able to watch these kind of things on youtube, but I don't find it at all surprising when things like this are taken down. It's against youtube's TOS and it's copyright infringement. There's really nothing that can be done about it.
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Legally- they have to protect their copyrights or they can lose the right to protest later.
I noticed they took a bunch of their copyrighted stuff off lately- Jem fans are complaining because they wiped the Jem episodes off too.
Yeah... :( They are on a bit of a rampage on older stuff at the moment. It will be a blanket take down with a selection of the heaviest viewed clips targeted. No doubt they will go away and then sweep again in a while. Thats the risk you take when uploading copyright protected material on sites like youtube. They dont prosecute for misuse, they dont seek redress for using their material; they just have it removed. All in its a peaceful process, I feel.
As mentioned they may not make money directly from them any more, but they are still well within their rights to protect their own brand. It frustrating but its also understandable unfortunately. I am sure if its uploaded again after a gap of time it will sit for a while on youtube again until they do another take down.
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I don't even know. I may write them a letter.
What, exactly, would that letter say? "I don't understand why you stopped me from doing something that is explicitly against both the law and the Terms of Service that I agreed to when signing up for Youtube"? You did something wrong and you got caught. Deal.
-Tabby
the princess with claws
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If I were Hasbro I would be like, "Yay! Free advertising!" :P Since RaMC isn't in production and they aren't losing money off the video being on You Tube, it would make sense to me for them to WANT it to be up because it could *potentially* cause people to buy ponies. You never know! If it's not hurting and it could possibly help, why not leave it up, Hasbro? ;)
I'll never understand why brands have a fit when their stuff appears in other shows and such. It's FREE advertising. They'll pay millions to have a 30 second commercial during the super bowl, but want their brand blurred out on tv shows :P
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Wait a second; are you "LM1313", LadyMoondancer? This may sound weird, but in away I'd like to thank you; it was your upload of RaMC which helped me start my journey towards loving all generations. RaMC was also the first (and only) episode I saw as a kid, and I looked up your video to see if I really had watched it when I was younger (having already become a fan of Friendship is Magic I kept having flashbacks of "an awesome pink pegasus", and I had to see if she was in that episode... and she was).
I'm sorry that your videos been taken down (a lot of the G3 movies have gone too, which is also depressing for me) the older generations need a lot more exposure, so I really hope that Hasbro are bringing out DVDs, because removing it simply because "It's theirs" is silly, especially if they're not going to upload it themselves or sell it.
If I were Hasbro I would be like, "Yay! Free advertising!" :P Since RaMC isn't in production and they aren't losing money off the video being on You Tube, it would make sense to me for them to WANT it to be up because it could *potentially* cause people to buy ponies. You never know! If it's not hurting and it could possibly help, why not leave it up, Hasbro? ;)
I'll never understand why brands have a fit when their stuff appears in other shows and such. It's FREE advertising. They'll pay millions to have a 30 second commercial during the super bowl, but want their brand blurred out on tv shows :P
My thoughts exactly, it makes no sense. I hope they realize this soon.
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Maybe they intend to re-release it on DVD and that's why they blocked it?
That was my first thought! Let it be so!
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Wait a second; are you "LM1313", LadyMoondancer? This may sound weird, but in away I'd like to thank you; it was your upload of RaMC which helped me start my journey towards loving all generations. RaMC was also the first (and only) episode I saw as a kid, and I looked up your video to see if I really had watched it when I was younger (having already become a fan of Friendship is Magic I kept having flashbacks of "an awesome pink pegasus", and I had to see if she was in that episode... and she was).
I'm sorry that your videos been taken down (a lot of the G3 movies have gone too, which is also depressing for me) the older generations need a lot more exposure, so I really hope that Hasbro are bringing out DVDs, because removing it simply because "It's theirs" is silly, especially if they're not going to upload it themselves or sell it.
If I were Hasbro I would be like, "Yay! Free advertising!" :P Since RaMC isn't in production and they aren't losing money off the video being on You Tube, it would make sense to me for them to WANT it to be up because it could *potentially* cause people to buy ponies. You never know! If it's not hurting and it could possibly help, why not leave it up, Hasbro? ;)
I'll never understand why brands have a fit when their stuff appears in other shows and such. It's FREE advertising. They'll pay millions to have a 30 second commercial during the super bowl, but want their brand blurred out on tv shows :P
My thoughts exactly, it makes no sense. I hope they realize this soon.
Awwww, that's so sweet:).
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Would it be tricky to re-upload it ?
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Well whaddaya know, looks like Hasbro took my single, old-as-dirt pony video down recently, too! I uploaded the Tales episode "Roll Around the Clock" for some project or another back in 2006, and then just left it up. For some reason it became the 2nd or 3rd highest result when you searched for "my little pony" on YouTube in the years following (pre-FiM, of course). As a result it got like 1.5 million views racked up! :shocked:
Since it was higher profile due to view count, I checked today if it was still there. Nope. Signed into my old email, and sure enough - I got a message similar to LadyMoondancer's. Way to go, Hasbro! You're really on the ball when you remove a video after 7 years! :lol:
Anyhoo, don't fret too much, LadyMoondancer. It's like hathorcat said - Hasbro will do this massive sweep of video takedowns once in a while. It's like mowing weeds, though - they're just gonna grow back afterward! ;)
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I know this will sound crazy and I don't even know if I believe it, but a guy I work with has a second job where they remaster old movies, with current graphics, and helps create new parts of cartoons and movies. Anyways I was talking to him one day (he doesn't know I like ponies) He said that they has worked on the old Care Bears episodes where they were being re-released in HD or something, and I asked them if they were doing any others and he said My Little Pony as well, I asked the new shows, he said no the ones from the 80's. I asked him if it was all the episodes, he said no just a few episodes were being remade, maybe G1 episodes with G4 graphics? How cool would that be to see, probably would mean more G1 ponies being released too! Hard to tell exactly what he was talking about though.
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I don't understand why they can't make it available legitimately. I mean even if there is not enough demand for a DVD run, why not make it available on iTunes or Netflix?
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I watch old movies and TV shows on YouTube all the time, and it seems pretty common that they get taken down in occasional "sweeps". I suspect the process is at least partially computerized, too, because which videos go down and which stay up can sometimes seem really random.
I don't think there's anything wrong with people uploading this stuff, especially seeing as it is not available as any kind of current release. It would be sad if all of these old shows/movies just vanished, never to be seen or heard from again. And I agree with several earlier comments that in may ways, this type of continued exposure is good for the brand and actually gives it a boost.
But I also understand why Hasbro, and many other copyright holders, ask to have videos taken down. I think they are just trying to set a precedent, so that they can say "yes, we object to the unofficial distribution of our content, and will respond accordingly". They certainly aren't as aggressive about it as they could be, if they wanted to.
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I'm praying for a rerelease of the DVD box set! Maybe hasbro saw the current price it's going for and wants to get in on that again. Plus with the release of the firefly book, maybe we will see a DVD if ramc!
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I was going to make my own thread about this because it really hurt me at 4 in the morning two days ago when I realized it but I see this thread already exists.
LM1313, was the one who's video I would watch. Even though I own two copies of the VHS it was their video I would always go to whenever I needed to watch RaMC again because I was sad. Now I fear I will have to resort to my old worn VHS tapes that might get too worn out if I want to watch the full version. :cry:
I am really REALLY hoping we see a full version DVD and Blueray release seeing as I would buy a blueray player for the sole purpose of watching it.
But taking down the youtube video that I use to make myself feel better so much I guess I'm a bit vengeful and will be breathing down their backs, expecting bonus features like cast interviews and new merchandice. :yikes:
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I wouldn't count on a DVD re-release- honestly Hasbro HAS to take them down every once in a while to protect their copyrights- really, that's just how the law works. If you know about it and don't care, than you lose the right to enforce your copyright in the future.
Just look for a more newly uploaded one - one with fewer views. I'm sure they target the "most viewed" first.
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I found out my Escape from Catrina Review was blocked worldwide but not the Rescue at Midnight Castle review (yet). I've disputed the claim on grounds of fair use, so we'll have to see what comes of it.
If this is because they intend to re-release the old series (and hopefully the specials uncut) I'll be go to Hasbro and thank the whoever's responsible personally.
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I've disputed the claim on grounds of fair use, so we'll have to see what comes of it.
Putting a movie you don't own on Youtube is not fair use. "Fair use" is showing a short clip from a movie as part of a film review. "Fair use" is writing an academic paper about a book and including excerpts from the book to illustrate your point. Stop trying to justify your copyright violations with terms you clearly have no understanding of.
-Tabby
the princess with claws
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I've disputed the claim on grounds of fair use, so we'll have to see what comes of it.
Putting a movie you don't own on Youtube is not fair use. "Fair use" is showing a short clip from a movie as part of a film review.
I don't know the content of the video Al-1701 is referring to, but he did call it "Escape from Catrina review." I agree there isn't much justification in claiming fair use when you just reupload a movie or cartoon show, but (and I apologize if I'm wrong!) Al may not be doing necessarily that.
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I've disputed the claim on grounds of fair use, so we'll have to see what comes of it.
Putting a movie you don't own on Youtube is not fair use. "Fair use" is showing a short clip from a movie as part of a film review. "Fair use" is writing an academic paper about a book and including excerpts from the book to illustrate your point. Stop trying to justify your copyright violations with terms you clearly have no understanding of.
-Tabby
the princess with claws
It's a REVIEW which puts it under the section of commentary as well as parody of fair use which protects my first amendment right to critique without the creator trying to censor my possibly negative opinion using copyright claims.
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It is not a "review" if it includes the ENTIRE body of work. ;) I remember in animation school only about a decade ago, the standard rule was about 3 minutes of footage before it starts being frowned upon by colleagues.
If one was were assigned a 50 page paper in school, and you went and downloaded a copy of some book or other research document and copied the contents of the book into one's own paper and only added footnotes/commentary along the way, one would not receive a passing grade. One would likely be in trouble for plagiarism, should the instructor catch on... :(
I hope that one day, we may get some kind of re-release but until then, I understand why Hasbro is defending their copyrights. I've been able to convert my copies of both RaMC and the Movie onto DVDs for personal use as my VHS copies will be toast if I watch them more than I already can see they were played... :)
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Well, my dispute got the world wide ban lifted as well as the claim in the audio released. It still has a matched visual content label on it, but I acknowledge that. Hell, if Hasbro wants to stick their ads on it or whatever, they're welcome to it.
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Thats lame but dosent the copywrite stuff or whatever run out after a while?
I though that was the logic behind not being able to reuse older names/molds
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Figures. I hate it when a company takes a video down, then doesn't do anything to re-post it themselves, or release it somehow (really it's their fault it happens). :mad: They might set it up to where you can view them there for a couple of bucks per view (like they've done for FiM). Just be glad it was just blocked and not a DMCA takedown like other
dictatorships companies do.
Would it be tricky to re-upload it ?
If they're taking them down, there's a good chance they'll put them into Youtube's content ID system, which would mean they get blocked as soon as you upload it (there is a way people are getting around it with S4 episodes).
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Thats lame but dosent the copywrite stuff or whatever run out after a while?
I though that was the logic behind not being able to reuse older names/molds
The copyright on a film like this lasts 70 years after the death of the lead actor/director/screenwriter/composer or 95 years from publication or 120 years from creation - whichever happens soonest. So in general - we have a while to go yet before its copyright free. And even then there is the option for the owner of the film to register something in a different way and expand the protection.
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Ah well. It's always a gamble when you do that stuff - I was still learning about copyright law about a decade ago and had been putting up first issues to comics I was reviewing as a 'now get into the comic!' thing, and the creator of one of the comics came in panic and asked me to take them down and also linked me to where I could link to legal sample copies.
I mean, I thought I was doing a good thing but that poor freaked out author made me look more into it. At the time I felt kind of resentful, even though he'd actually been nice about it. But I'd also had a bunch of old pony episodes on my webserver that I realized maybe shouldn't be there, so I think he may have saved my website account by making me realize I should delete my majorly not mine stuff.
That said, the person who had all of Moondreamers on Youtube is a saint. And I would have adored you if I didn't have my own copy of Rescue at Midnight Castle.
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It's a REVIEW which puts it under the section of commentary as well as parody of fair use which protects my first amendment right to critique without the creator trying to censor my possibly negative opinion using copyright claims.
If I have misread your particular situation then I apologize.
-Tabby
the princess with claws