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Pony Talk => Off Topic => The Dollhouse => Topic started by: Zapper on November 18, 2012, 03:53:46 AM
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Just a little something I've been asking myself.
A lot of people seem to "censor" their nude dolls when doing photos of them for ebay, some can't picture themselves displaying Skelita "in the nude" and most reviewers on youtube don't show a doll without clothing, allthough the bodies of many dolls are really interesting (Skelita, Jinafire, Gorgon Girl, the see-through CAMs).
I've even seen some people warn for "doll nudity" in thread titles like it was somehow a trigger.
I wonder why that is? The dolls do not have any genitals, they don't even have nipples. They have undies engraved onto their little doll butts.
So why cover their "shame"?
Is it because of decency laws that you feel obligated to censor them or do they grow on you so much they become people to you and you feel you can't just expose them like that?
I'm not judging, not pointing fingers.
I'm honestly just curious as to why some people do that kind of thing :)
Personally, I would never make the doll cover his/her body for any ebay photos or hesitate to display a skeleton or scaled creature "nude". If their body molds look creative and cool - why not?
In context of photos I could understand a censoring. For example, you want to take a picture of one doll walking in on another one in the shower and you blurr the "naughty bits" to indicate that the character is supposed to be naked.
But completely out of context? Why should it bother people?
What are your thoughts on the subject? :)
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I don't know. It doesn't bother me...
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I wouldn't say it bothers me to see nude photos like on eBay and stuff, but as far as displaying my dolls nude, I don't know that I could. I might be able to do it with Skelita, because I feel like a lot of her detail is lost by covering it up, but for Robecca and Jinafire, I don't think I could. I don't know why. As a child, my Barbies were ALWAYS clothed. If you go look at my little "Barbie suitcase" in my parent's storage, they all still have some sort of clothes on, which I've been told is odd for a child. :shrug:
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Interesting. This is an issue in the American Girl collecting community as well, and I also don't get it. Example: I was selling a doll nude, so I photographed her nude. Someone messaged me and asked if I would put clothes on her and retake the pics. I said no because I wasn't selling the clothes and buyers should see what they are buying. I asked why but never got an answer. AG has even less nudey bits than MH!
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No, it is not a problem to me. I do not quite understand this either, but I am curious as to what others think and feel about it.
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I don't see any particular problem with it. If I don't have an outfit for my dolls right away because I am either waiting to get the time to sew one or go to the store to buy one I will leave them out nude. It doesn't really bother me.
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I think some people get worried because they assume that these dolls depict characters who are not adults, especially in the case of AG dolls. They worry that it's like posting a photo of a nude child, and to many, that is a taboo.
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I don't like to leave my dolls hanging around in the nude, but when it comes to sales ads you should only photograph what you're actually selling, nude or not, imo. However, I know some hosting sites are funny about more detailed doll nudity, so some bjd's have to be censored if you want to host the pics on certain sites.
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I'm a total liberal, and I have zero problem with nudity! We're all born naked! Personally, the think American culture as a whole is still extremely repressed when it comes to nudity, even when it comes to dolls. I commend other countries that are much more open with it!
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I feel like people who feel the need to censor a doll or get offended by an uncensored doll are being prudish and silly. It's a toy, for pete's sake!
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I'm a total liberal, and I have zero problem with nudity! We're all born naked! Personally, the think American culture as a whole is still extremely repressed when it comes to nudity, even when it comes to dolls. I commend other countries that are much more open with it!
Woo, preach it brotha!
I have some nudes that I keep wrapped in a towel because the sight of what is essentially a pile of bodies might be disturbing to the house guests, but when I'm posting pictures for sale or whatever I censor nothing. It's nudity in a non-sexual context and doesn't personally disturb me... plus, I'd be worried someone would find an imaginary mark on one of the boobs and slam me for deceptive advertising LOL
Speaking of molded undies, it's interesting that Jinafire and Skelita lack them while Robecca does not. I wonder what's up with that?
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OK I wasn't gonna say anything but I feel the need to now. I am not offended by doll nudity in dolls like MH, Barbie and Pullips. That being said I think that certain BJD need censors on them due to the fact that some of the boy dolls are atomical correct.
Its nothing about being purish its just the fact that my neice likes looking around the arena when she is here and I don't want her to see things like that. Even on a doll. And there are younger kids on here. I believe the sign up age is 13. Maybe there parents don't want them to see things like that either. Kids already grow up to fast as it is.
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This is an interesting topic. I do not find it offensive with selling dolls, especially since you should be able to see what you are buying. For instance with AG dolls, the bodies could have stains or rips or loose limbs or something that could easily be hidden with clothing. As for seeing MH dolls "censored" I kind of think it's funny like the doll themselves are doing it, if that makes sense. Like "Uh oh, I'm naked!" It's also easier with them now as a pose because of being articulated.
As for dolls that are anatomically correct, I didn't really think they made dolls like that anymore. I have a couple of plastic "newborn" baby dolls that are anatomically correct from my childhood. I don't know what brand they are or anything but I always loved them as a kid because they were so detailed (except the hard plastic bodies, not very huggable lol). I guess to me the boy baby was just that, a baby. Most kids see their little brothers or sisters naked anyway (taking baths together, diaper changing, etc.) so not a big deal to me. As for adult parts, that to me is a little more sensitive but it's kind of similar there. Like having to take kids of the opposite sex into locker rooms after say swimming lessons, or stuff like that.
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Doll nudity? meh I'm fine with it, MH is completely non-topical or non-visible, so it's fine. Moulded pants are fine, it's not showing anything, so Im fine with it. As for boobs on dolls, I'm not bothered either, it's a doll, and to me a doll is a doll, it's not the end of the world! XD
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Oh geez, I remember those anatomically correct baby dolls from kindergarten! Now that I think back, what were those toy companies thinking? :lol:
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That being said I think that certain BJD need censors on them due to the fact that some of the boy dolls are atomical correct.
I want to point out the fact that a doll having 'junk' is not considered "anatomically correct". BJDs are within the uncanny valley, but are generally anatomically impossible in nature when you size them up in their entirety.
In any case, doll nudity is all whatever to me. If you want to censor it, be my guest. If you want to show it all off, be my guest! Photos done for sales should not be censored, imho. People can take advantage of the fact that an area cannot be seen in the photo and I agree that buyers should know what they are buying.
They are dolls. It does not matter how much you treat them like they are people, they just aren't. I say the same thing about dogs. It does not matter how much you treat a dog like it is a child, it isn't. It's a dog. A doll is a doll. A dog is a dog. A child is a child.
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It's a society thing I guess? Especially in America.
I think it's also done out of consideration for others.
Now me, I only 'censored' my dolls chest on the MH forums when I was selling something. I dunno they seem stricter over there.
Everywhere else? I don't think anyone cares enough? Because honestly...how many of us had barbies lying around nude in our playrooms?
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Everywhere else? I don't think anyone cares enough? Because honestly...how many of us had barbies lying around nude in our playrooms?
Man, I hated redressing my Barbies...so difficult. I usually gave up after I got the clothes off lol.
Oh geez, I remember those anatomically correct baby dolls from kindergarten! Now that I think back, what were those toy companies thinking? :lol:
I don't know but I still have them and I think they are great lol. Not sure yet if I would give them to my own kids but who knows lol. They have open mouths for a bottle or pacifier. I remember with one of them I had dropped a tooth pick down the hole to see how far it would go...it is still in there to this day lol. One of them even still has the hospital ID bracelet on it that it came with. I am guessing they were the type of doll that the gender was a surprise..."Did you get a boy or a girl?" without doing it by showing it had "blue vs. pink" clothes or something.
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It doesn't bother me on MH dolls (especially minus nipples and with undies molded on) but I'm amazed at how many of my guests come in to my studio and notice naked ones waiting for clothes right off the bat. That seems very odd to me, and I am pretty prudish about nudity (at least I consider myself so). I ended up putting all of my nude dolls in a drawer, but it was more of a motivator for me to finish their clothes, but I think I am also more self conscious about it from people's reactions. As for sales, I don't think they should be censored at all. I don't think little kids go around shopping for BJDs (and why would little ones be surfing the net alone?)
I have noticed other people being self-conscious about wanting to see pix of customs/new releases nude, and I think while it's perfectly natural to want to see the new mold and not even remotely sexual, I think it is very considerate of them to be concerned for the discomfort of others. That's just good manners, and goodness knows we don't have too much of that in this country.
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Maybe I'm old fashion and I don't like seeing doll junk.
I'm gonna now out now before I say something I can't take back.
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It's confusing to me why they feel the need to cover something that doesn't exist.
Personally, I think when the photographers pose the doll to appear as if shamed to be unclothed, they are actually heightening the sense of it being sexual. The mind's eye adds in the details being covered. When they are displayed just standing there, hands to their sides, they are just dolls. When you pose them hiding their non-existent bits, you are not only breathing life into them, but adding a level of naughtiness. You let the viewer think, "hehe, I just caught her undressed..."
There are no molded underwear on the torsos I produce. I was even asked to produce a torso with added details. Since all of my customers are adults, I do plan on adding that style torso. What I will probably do is put a placeholder thumbnail that says "NSFW" so my customers are warned before they click to view the item. It's not because I have a problem with it, but because there really are some people who find nudity distasteful. What's odd to me are why some of those same people have no problem with images of death or dismemberment.
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I'm a total liberal, and I have zero problem with nudity! We're all born naked! Personally, the think American culture as a whole is still extremely repressed when it comes to nudity, even when it comes to dolls. I commend other countries that are much more open with it!
This!! :relaxed:
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I have no problem with doll nudity. In fact, one of mine is currently nude, in bondage, and suspended from my ceiling.
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My feelings on it are weird. I have no problem with nudity, at all. I can go past naked dolls without a second thought, and to be honest the ONLY time I get uncomfortable looking at a naked doll is customs where the customizer added nipples.
That being said, I personally get a little too attached to my toys in general so I just feel bad when the one's I've really gotten attached to are naked and I instinctively cover them up when they are naked and drying from hair being styled and what not. Again, that's just me and my personal dolls. If you came into my house with your doll and styled it along side mine and set yours down not covering anything I'd not look twice and not be freaked out by it, but I'll still be "NO BABY YOU NEED TO COVER UP YOU'RE NAKED" to my own doll because of how special and meaningful they are to me.
Skelita, Jinafire, and Robecca though.. if I had all the money in the world and had doubles of those, I'd have one of each of them naked because of dem details.
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Its nothing about being purish its just the fact that my neice likes looking around the arena when she is here and I don't want her to see things like that. Even on a doll. And there are younger kids on here. I believe the sign up age is 13. Maybe there parents don't want them to see things like that either. Kids already grow up to fast as it is.
Yeah, that's the only thing. My lil sis wants to hang out in this site too, although she's here only if I let her. Anyway, nipples aren't shown under their clothes, so I guess they have something like attached to them plastic underwear.
Or said with other words - I don't have a problem with this either :)
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I'm honestly puzzled by the censorship too, at least in regards to your basic kids' toy doll like MH, Barbie, or AG. In context, like a picture story or something, censorship is fine, but out of context I think a lot of people take it to an extreme. I mean, really; sending someone a message asking them to dress a doll they were selling nude? That just seems ridiculous to me, considering the doll doesn't have anything to censor anyway.
More detailed dolls, like the BJDs, are another story, in my opinion. A lot of those are far more detailed than the dolls that are put out as toys, and I do think those should be censored, or at least warned about. Not because I have a problem with nudity, but because I think you should be able to choose whether you want to see it or not, rather than have it kinda "forced" upon you.
Plus, with a board like the Arena, there's a chance a kid might see something they're not mature enough to handle yet. I'm not sure what the minimum age for members is, but on most sites, it's 13. If I were a mother to a 13-year-old, I wouldn't want them to see detailed nudity, even on a doll.
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Doll nudity doesn't bother me. When you're changing the clothes, you're going to see the doll nude anyway. And the MH dolls aren't that detailed.
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I have no problem with it and think it's silly some people are uncomfortable with a non-anatomically correct piece of plastic that vaguely resembles a human being naked. If I'm buying a used doll I want to know what condition the body is in, also I store all my dolls in the nude to avoid clothing stains (Barbie legs anyone?) or melt marks from different types of plastic touching for a long time.
Another thing I was thinking of- Clawdeen and the other werewolves and Toralei and the werecats all have 'fur' so if they are nude (without clothes) they still have their fur and we don't consider our pet cats and dogs nude when they run around wearing only their fur. My kitty would murder me in my sleep if I started making him wear clothes because some people don't like the fact they can see his kitty weewee and nipples.
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I have no problem with it. They have no nibbly bits!!
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I don't mind doll nudity, not even in detailed BJDs. If I wash the hair of one of my dolls for styling it, I'll sometimes put them in a terry cloth barbie bathrobe just to be silly but generally I let them hang around naked for a while. No big deal, she's plastic. (:
I don't prefer them naked of course... but when the hair is wet, I don't want the clothes to get wet too!
However, I know some people are uncomfortable with it and that's fine! Everyone is entitled to their own opinions! ^u^
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I have no problem with it and think it's silly some people are uncomfortable with a non-anatomically correct piece of plastic that vaguely resembles a human being naked. If I'm buying a used doll I want to know what condition the body is in, also I store all my dolls in the nude to avoid clothing stains (Barbie legs anyone?) or melt marks from different types of plastic touching for a long time.
Another thing I was thinking of- Clawdeen and the other werewolves and Toralei and the werecats all have 'fur' so if they are nude (without clothes) they still have their fur and we don't consider our pet cats and dogs nude when they run around wearing only their fur. My kitty would murder me in my sleep if I started making him wear clothes because some people don't like the fact they can see his kitty weewee and nipples.
yep exactly!!!
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I don't mind them being nude c: If they were more detailed I might, but even then it still doesn't bother me too much. Sometimes I display mine naked, especially ones like Robecca which have cool details you can't see when they have clothes on. ^^
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No. Not at all.
To me, censoring the average fashion doll might be done for comedy but it seems silly to do it in seriousness. They are so blank that you aren't even covering nudity but more the CONCEPT of nudity.
For more accurate sculpts, I'm still not bothered by it but it warrants a heads-up just in case. Even if you're totally okay with it, you might have someone with you that will tease you about "porno dolls" or something.
Are like has been said, you DO want to see the sculpt, certainly with pricey BJDs.
As a society we've taken something pretty normal and sexualized the heck out of it. Not that I'm so totally above it, I mean. Dolls are one thing but there's no way I could stand around a nudist talking like they were clothed ^_^;;
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I've seen some customized REALLY anatomically correct Ken dolls (hair and all) and I do have to say that I am prudish enough to not want to have one displayed nude (I probably wouldn't own one either). I don't know if it's because of society or past abuse issues or whatever but I admit that's my deal, and I don't think badly of anyone who would. I wouldn't be able to go to a nude beach because I would be laughing hysterically and that wouldn't be very nice to the people there.
Are we talking about sales photos in general, on the Arena or on EBay? In general and on EBay I think it's nice of people to warn about nudity for very anatomically correct photos in the title, I don't think it's allowable to post very anatomically correct photos on the Arena if I am not mistaken, because of the ages.
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No. Not at all.
To me, censoring the average fashion doll might be done for comedy but it seems silly to do it in seriousness. They are so blank that you aren't even covering nudity but more the CONCEPT of nudity.
This. A doll is a childs toy. Children undress dolls. Children will even draw on any bits that are missing. I have seen barbies with nipples, barbies and MLP with their floos drawn on, and even a barbie with a winky 0.o
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I find it disturbing and funny when I come across censored doll pics. It just draws more attention to the nudity and unwittingly places the dolls in a sexual context...
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Doll nudity doesn't bother me either ^.^ Naked dolls, clothed dolls, they're all good by me, haha... as long as they're presented with respect. I also don't mind if there are *doll nudity* warnings etc for those who are more sensitive about it, and I personally do appreciate some kind of warning if it's an intentionally explicit photo/scene (not just a doll standing around nude), so I have a choice whether to look or not.
I'm like Icicle, though, in that while I don't mind other people's nude dolls, I personally don't like having my own dolls hanging around naked because I feel bad for them! It's freakin' cold here and that'd just be mean! XD When I have new CaMs waiting for outfits I keep them snuggled up in little blankets :redface:
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I want to see pics of CAMS in blankets...:D
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I want to see pics of CAMS in blankets...:D
hee! When I get the new CaMs I'll take a blanket-pic for you :biggrin:
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It's only weird to me if there are painted on nipples or genitalia. Otherwise it's no bother at all!
-Em
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Doll nudity doesn't bother me either ^.^ Naked dolls, clothed dolls, they're all good by me, haha... as long as they're presented with respect. I also don't mind if there are *doll nudity* warnings etc for those who are more sensitive about it, and I personally do appreciate some kind of warning if it's an intentionally explicit photo/scene (not just a doll standing around nude), so I have a choice whether to look or not.
I'm like Icicle, though, in that while I don't mind other people's nude dolls, I personally don't like having my own dolls hanging around naked because I feel bad for them! It's freakin' cold here and that'd just be mean! XD When I have new CaMs waiting for outfits I keep them snuggled up in little blankets :redface:
I started typing a response and then realized that Zombelina pretty much said everything I wanted to say. :biggrin:
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I have no problem with doll nudity. In fact, one of mine is currently nude, in bondage, and suspended from my ceiling.
Hahah, this is excellent. I lol'd.
I also have absolutely no problem with it. In fact, I like my dolls nude, and I am one of those customizers that adds drawn-on nipples.
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Doll nudity doesn't bother me. When you're changing the clothes, you're going to see the doll nude anyway. And the MH dolls aren't that detailed.
Just what I was thinking!
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I don't get it either, it doesn't bother me at all. It's a doll, anyway.
Actually, I don't think I'm THAT bothered with nudity at all... xD
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I'm a total liberal, and I have zero problem with nudity! We're all born naked! Personally, the think American culture as a whole is still extremely repressed when it comes to nudity, even when it comes to dolls. I commend other countries that are much more open with it!
That HBO channel begs to differ. xD
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well i agree, that it is not "bad". i had to smile while reading this, i really reminds me of the controvery about this:
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does anyone know this picture?
its from Manet and from 1863. at that time, fine art was nice with naked people, and with clothed people. but if you mix them, the nakedness is suddenly obscene. XD
here is more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_d%C3%A9jeuner_sur_l%27herbe
there was also someone who painted two pictures of a woman, laying on a sofa or something. then, when the exibition started, he put the pictures on top of each other, and after everyone has seen the dressed woman, he put the picture down and everyone was shocked of the picture of the same, but naked women. XD
i mean, if he would have just put the naked woman in the exibition, nobody would have cared!
i personally think, nudity is not "bad" but private. a body is part of a personality and i don´t reveal anything to anyone on the street, but it can be beautiful and placed great in art, when treated with respect.
with censoring dolls which have "nothing", you put kind of secrets on them they don´t have, in my opinion. XD
if the doll is anatomically correct, i am sometimes thankfull for censoring, because i don´t like someone telling me everything about his person in detail right away at the first glance too. XD too much privary on the first glance. do you know what i mean?
well, otherwise, i take nude drawing lessons at the university, and i was totally scared to get a male model. but afterall, they are just shapes of the body. censoring dolls is a bit like calling voldemord "you-know-who", maybe? XD
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well, otherwise, i take nude drawing lessons at the university, and i was totally scared to get a male model. but afterall, they are just shapes of the body. censoring dolls is a bit like calling voldemord "you-know-who", maybe? XD
Life drawing is quite a funny thing. When I told some former workmates (older women) that I attended a life drawing class they were SHOCKED, and I was surprised that they were so shocked.
I'm not nervous at all about drawing nude people, but I've gotta admit - I don't draw the guys 'bits' - it feels too awkward studying 'em :P
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I was surprised that they were so shocked.
I'm not nervous at all about drawing nude people, but I've gotta admit - I don't draw the guys 'bits' - it feels too awkward studying 'em :P
same here! XD i add smileys there sometimes. my best friend in (what is equivalent to your) highschool was from Kosovo and was SUPER shoked, when i told her. XD i explained it, and she just asked me not to look to close.
by the way, is that in your avatar you work? its beautiful!
back to the dolls, nobody cares about naked barbies on a fleamarket, right?
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I was surprised that they were so shocked.
I'm not nervous at all about drawing nude people, but I've gotta admit - I don't draw the guys 'bits' - it feels too awkward studying 'em :P
same here! XD i add smileys there sometimes. my best friend in (what is equivalent to your) highschool was from Kosovo and was SUPER shoked, when i told her. XD i explained it, and she just asked me not to look to close.
by the way, is that in your avatar you work? its beautiful!
back to the dolls, nobody cares about naked barbies on a fleamarket, right?
Hahah, I like the smileys idea. Much better than just leaving a strange blank area. I usually avoid hands too, I'm so lazy. I draw vaguely hand-shaped blobs.
And yep, the doll in the avatar is my custom :)
I never had dolls as a kid, but I had a collection of Trolls. This was when they released them wearing differently themed clothes - but I made them all naked. Troll dolls look decidedly weirder with clothes on. Hahah.
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I don't think anything of doll nudity either. I was showing some pictures I took of my Spectra once because I thought I did a really good job composing the picture and such, but she couldn't get over the fact that she was naked. I barely even noticed that fact (I just didn't have any clothes that would fit the mood that I wanted for the photo) but she kept on going on about how it was weird and strange for me to take a picture of a naked doll. Since then, I do try to take pictures of them fully clothed. Although I don't mind at all, I don't want people to read any extra connotations into them.
I've been taking life drawing classes too, and I always find it funny when people always overdraw the genital area, or underdraw it and leave it a vague haze while everything else is in good detail. It's just another part of the body. I think treating all those "inappropriate" bits differently draws much more attention to them.
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I've been taking life drawing classes too, and I always find it funny when people always overdraw the genital area, or underdraw it and leave it a vague haze while everything else is in good detail. It's just another part of the body. I think treating all those "inappropriate" bits differently draws much more attention to them.
Word! xD
When students would do that at my university, profs and teachers would taunt them for being 'prude' even. No nice smilies down there for us! :P
I also felt awkward when I first went there.. but soon realized it's not that awkward at all. It's just what it is. Drawing a model. (that said, I usually still tried my best not to sit in the front row. LOLOLOLOL)
About the dolls, I don't like when my own dolls lay around naked. Mostly because it feels unorganized & unfinished to me. Not b/c I am ashamed that they're 'naked'. Those dolls that are custom fodder lay around naked for weeks until I get around to finish them.
With sales posts I'd even encourage people to post exactly what they're selling and in a neutral, doll-pose, please.
(I think Plastic Curves said something very interesting and true, when she pointed out that nude dolls won't look sexual, until you make them so by posing like they'd be ashamed of having their picture taken and halfheartedly trying to cover their private areas.)
If it's neutral like that, it will be just a toy and totally OK to look at in my book. After all, I've seen statuettes, paintings, drawings etc. of nude people since I was old enough to be dragged into a museum alongside my parents. (So since I was 2.. maybe 3 years old)
And it never weirded or grossed me out, since it was art. And just that.
And I know for sure that there is a difference since I, personally, have HUGE problems with nudists, saunas, japanese bathhouses or anything that involves being around other REAL people when they're naked. Getting naked myself in front of anyone else than my BF? NO CHANCE! LOL.
So you see, I'm actually quite the prude myself! XD
Yet in works of art, life drawing or artificial pieces resembling humans, I'm totally fine with it. xD;
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i dont have a problem with nudey dolls, but my 6 year old is under strict orders not to strip her dolls: legit reason: SHE doesnt put the cloths back on and makes me and her daddy do it(takes them off, we put them back on, 5 min later repeat with same outfit), thus daddy got annoyed, cloths went missing. cloths dont come off any more.... problem solved.
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Well, I would'nt have my first pic be a nude one. But I do see dolls as collectibles and as a collector I would like to see a pic of the nude doll if possible (To spot miscoloring or something like that)
I don't have a problem with nude dolls, but I understand that there are kids and parents who have. And I would show them respect by (for example) tell my buyers to contact me for nude pics if wanted :)
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I want to see pics of CAMS in blankets...:D
hee! When I get the new CaMs I'll take a blanket-pic for you :biggrin:
:like: :D
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I've been taking life drawing classes too, and I always find it funny when people always overdraw the genital area, or underdraw it and leave it a vague haze while everything else is in good detail. It's just another part of the body. I think treating all those "inappropriate" bits differently draws much more attention to them.
Word! xD
When students would do that at my university, profs and teachers would taunt them for being 'prude' even. No nice smilies down there for us! :P
I also felt awkward when I first went there.. but soon realized it's not that awkward at all. It's just what it is. Drawing a model. (that said, I usually still tried my best not to sit in the front row. LOLOLOLOL)
I never went to any real classes so I was never taunted - but if there had been back rows to sit it it would have been fine. Both life drawing places I have been to only have one row and I swear the model watches the people drawing the entire time. I'm sure it's just because they're bored and are trying to stay still but gosh it is off-putting. I hate people watching me draw :P
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For me it depends in the pose the doll is showed in the pic, if the doll is in a naughty pose then its hard to look at it >_<
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OK I wasn't gonna say anything but I feel the need to now. I am not offended by doll nudity in dolls like MH, Barbie and Pullips. That being said I think that certain BJD need censors on them due to the fact that some of the boy dolls are atomical correct.
Its nothing about being purish its just the fact that my neice likes looking around the arena when she is here and I don't want her to see things like that. Even on a doll. And there are younger kids on here. I believe the sign up age is 13. Maybe there parents don't want them to see things like that either. Kids already grow up to fast as it is.
I think everyone has a right to their personal comfort level with things like nudity as long as you aren't trying to force someone else to have those same views. That said, I had a deep love for all thing Grecian, including art, when I was around 10, and so saw my fair share of artistic nudity. Have to say, it really didn't have a negative effect on me at all. If anything, I couldn't understand why the other kids felt the need to taunt something so innocuous.
I mean, clearly adult or sexual nudity is pretty much a no-go, and I do feel that people posing dolls in a sexual manner need to keep that stuff out of the main fandom because of younger children. However, there's a major difference to me in regular nudity vs sexualized nudity. It is a major cultural thing that in the US we've come to view almost all nudity as automatically sexual and thus taboo when in most other countries it's viewed as perfectly okay.
I feel like children are far more scarred or receive warped views from accidentally stumbling onto porn or gore sites than from a nude doll, sculpture, piece of art, or even seeing a person nude on screen. All in all, I think American society has a somewhat warped view on what humans are, bare skin and all. We are what we are, I fail to see anything inherently sexual in that.
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I also have absolutely no problem with it. In fact, I like my dolls nude, and I am one of those customizers that adds drawn-on nipples.
Nipples aren't sexual anyways. They're just sexualized when on women (which is weird, since they are for feeding babies and what is sexual about that, I might ask?)
I remember kid-me being really puzzled about the fact Aladdin (the Disney version) didn't have nipples. I even remember asking my parents about it :lol:
It is funny to me in MH dolls, because the female butt (and often the male one) can also be the subject of sexualization and yet the MH dolls very obviously have butt cheeks under their underwear molds.
A really weird double standard, if you ask me. Heck, even the male MH dolls lack nipples, and male nipples are nothing but decoration as we all know ;)
(Allthough Gil not having them is cool by me. After all he is a fish :lol:)
That being said, I don't think people who feel weird looking at a nude MH doll are prudish. Everyone has their own comfort zone.
The only thing I don't like is when those people start complaining to other people about not censoring the dolls.
Like many of you have already pointed out, censoring something that isn't there in the first place sexualizes the doll even more, because it creates the illusion of "naughty bits".
I also have to say that I don't oppose baby dolls being anatomically correct. The mere existence of genitals doesn't sexualize a doll, it's the context wherein the anatomical correctness is presented. A baby having genitalia is not some outlandish concept. Babies need to relieve themselves, after all.
And, being completely honest, if you develop naughty thoughts while looking at a naked baby you should probably seek the help of a therapist :|
I think that by censoring nipples or fat depositories (butt cheeks, breasts) in characters or toys for children we're not stopping them from "growing up too fast", we're encouraging them in "growing up too fast".
When you tell a little kid to cover their doll's "shame" you are teaching them that certain areas of the doll's body are "shameful", be there nipples/bumps or not. That's not a good message, if you ask me.
When I was a little kid I saw both my parents (one biological male, one biological female) running around naked. At the beach, in the sauna, or while changing clothes. My parents never made a big deal out of it and that's how I learned not to be threatened or feel shame of my own body changing when I entered puberty many years later *shrug*
While many girls got teased for getting breasts, I welcomed mine and started to call out the children who started to call these girls names (yes, unfortunately getting breasts will result in immediatly getting shamed for having them. What a great culture we live in...)
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I'm a total liberal, and I have zero problem with nudity! We're all born naked! Personally, the think American culture as a whole is still extremely repressed when it comes to nudity, even when it comes to dolls. I commend other countries that are much more open with it!
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i find it pretty funny that people sensor there doll photos.. idk just seems odd to me.. as a child, it never bothered me to leave my dolls nude either so.. i guess i am just liberal too!
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I also have absolutely no problem with it. In fact, I like my dolls nude, and I am one of those customizers that adds drawn-on nipples.
Nipples aren't sexual anyways. They're just sexualized when on women (which is weird, since they are for feeding babies and what is sexual about that, I might ask?)
I remember kid-me being really puzzled about the fact Aladdin (the Disney version) didn't have nipples. I even remember asking my parents about it :lol:
It is funny to me in MH dolls, because the female butt (and often the male one) can also be the subject of sexualization and yet the MH dolls very obviously have butt cheeks under their underwear molds.
A really weird double standard, if you ask me. Heck, even the male MH dolls lack nipples, and male nipples are nothing but decoration as we all know ;)
(Allthough Gil not having them is cool by me. After all he is a fish :lol:)
That being said, I don't think people who feel weird looking at a nude MH doll are prudish. Everyone has their own comfort zone.
The only thing I don't like is when those people start complaining to other people about not censoring the dolls.
Like many of you have already pointed out, censoring something that isn't there in the first place sexualizes the doll even more, because it creates the illusion of "naughty bits".
I also have to say that I don't oppose baby dolls being anatomically correct. The mere existence of genitals doesn't sexualize a doll, it's the context wherein the anatomical correctness is presented. A baby having genitalia is not some outlandish concept. Babies need to relieve themselves, after all.
And, being completely honest, if you develop naughty thoughts while looking at a naked baby you should probably seek the help of a therapist :|
I think that by censoring nipples or fat depositories (butt cheeks, breasts) in characters or toys for children we're not stopping them from "growing up too fast", we're encouraging them in "growing up too fast".
When you tell a little kid to cover their doll's "shame" you are teaching them that certain areas of the doll's body are "shameful", be there nipples/bumps or not. That's not a good message, if you ask me.
When I was a little kid I saw both my parents (one biological male, one biological female) running around naked. At the beach, in the sauna, or while changing clothes. My parents never made a big deal out of it and that's how I learned not to be threatened or feel shame of my own body changing when I entered puberty many years later *shrug*
While many girls got teased for getting breasts, I welcomed mine and started to call out the children who started to call these girls names (yes, unfortunately getting breasts will result in immediatly getting shamed for having them. What a great culture we live in...)
Running off to bed, but this post is basically flawless. IA wholeheartedly! Actually the whole nipple thing is something I really hate and detest. Because you know, men at a gym can work out with their shirts off, but a woman can't do that. Why? They'll see her fatty chest lumps that have...nipples!! just like...omgs! MEN! Since you know, as long as you blot out the nipple on the the female nude, she's more "acceptable."
Seriously does society even think of these stupid rules they make up? I'm pretty sure they don't.
Your post made me think of this recent article on the BBC: The shock of the (male) nude: An exhibition in Vienna probes our attitude towards nudity - people in the West have become accustomed to the naked female form, but male nudes can still shock. Before the show opened, the museum even covered up parts of its own posters, saying they had caused public outrage. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20218094)
Interesting discussion about how the female nude has become socially accepted, probably imo because of the long-standing tradition of a woman's body = everybody else's property, etc. It raises interesting questions, no?
Post Merge: November 20, 2012, 10:38:45 PM
well i agree, that it is not "bad". i had to smile while reading this, i really reminds me of the controvery about this:
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I saw this in-person in Paris! It's still striking even now!! I've always loved now nonchalant all the characters are, lmao.