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Pony Talk => Pony Corral => Topic started by: butterflybuttons on July 13, 2012, 01:56:01 AM
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This was such a helpful thread on the archived Arena, so I'm starting this up again. Please feel free to discuss any and all aspects, new treatments, any side effects ect.
Huge thanks to Nina85 for putting this all together:
Updated 7/10/2008
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I've noticed more and more people are having issues with mysterious problems popping up on their ponies recently. And I, for one, am totally confused by it all. I know there are others who are as well.
I have ponies with mold issues, ponies with cancer issues, and ponies with regrind issues. My idea here is to keep this post updated regularly with pictures and examples of all kinds of unstoppable pony problems. That way it is clear, and everyone can easily identify what their pony issue is and see what can (or can't) be done about it. I think it would also be good to list who is more prone to these types of issues, and what can be done to prevent the spread of these issues as well.
If you have clear pictures, or can explain these problems in a concise way, post them here and I will update this first post. Or, if you have questions yourself, post them, and maybe we can all help each other get them answered.
Here are some starter example pictures of a few ponies I have with issues. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Example of Regrind
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Example of Cancer
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Example of Mold
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Examples of Pindot Mold (aka \"smooze\")
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Examples of saddle sores, residual makeup, pink highlighter, misc. markings.
Unknown pink markings, possibly from accessories such as a saddle.
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Residual lipstick
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Effects of Remove Zit
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Rusted elastic hair tie
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Example of rusty insides:
Extreme! Eww!
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Example of harm of boiling ponies with chartreuse hair:
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Questions to be answered:
What is the difference between cancer and age spots?
What is the difference between cancer and mold?
How many types of pony mold are there?
What is regrind?
What can be done to prevent cancer?
What can be done to prevent mold?
What can be done to prevent regrind?
Can cancer spots be removed or lightened?
Can regrind be removed or lightened?
Will cancer spread to other my other ponies?
Will mold spread to my other ponies?
Is the mold harmful to me, my pets, or children?
In which case would it be best to boil a pony? Do I use any chemicals or cleaning aids while boiling?
In which case would it be best to clean a pony using diluted bleach? How much bleach? Should the water be warm or cool? Will it harm my pony's color or hair?
Can ponies with glitter symbols that have cancer or mold be boiled? Can they be bleached?
Can twinkle-eyed ponies be boiled? Can they be bleached?
What is pindot mold?
What can be done about a So Soft pony with mold?
What is pin dot mold?
What is the difference between ingrained dirt and pin dot mold?
What can I do about a G3 pony with mold issues?
Thanks to everyone who has donated pictures and information!
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I thought this was interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-UEFOq08AU
I still don't know if it's really "contagious" or if it's environmental, but I'm not taking any chances. Creepy. :(
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Thanks for that Binny!
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Have you guys seen my before and after pics of lightening mold spots? I could repost them here if you like.
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That would be fantastic Reanna! And what you did as well would be great.
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This was a technique described in another thread. The subject is Braided Beauty: I soaked a sewing needle in acetone and pierced the darker dot in the center of the mold spot-- I waggled it around a bit to allow for greater penetration of the acetone, then I dabbed the hole (which is hard to see, don't worry) with a cloth soaked in acetone. I repeated this several times, and definitely noticed a lightening of the spot.
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Before
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After
As I said on the other thread, while it's not perfect, it's very possible that if more applications were given and more of the surface area of the discolored plastic pierced, the stain might be eliminated entirely. I am going to work on it a bit more and I'll let you guys know if I can get any more progress.
I don't think this would work as well on lighter-colored plastic, like white and yellow, but it's worth a try. I only have a few ponies with mold but I'd like to continue experimenting.
ADDITIONAL WARNING REGARDING ACETONE: Dabbing lots of acetone on one spot can actually weaken the plastic itself. I was using an already very baity pony as practice and actually managed to nick her side. >.<
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Reanna, you are my hero. I have a mold-spotted Wavedancer that even bleach didn't help. I will try this later.
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Reanna, you are my hero. I have a mold-spotted Wavedancer that even bleach didn't help. I will try this later.
I only take credit for the demo pics. The technique was suggested by Tornadoe in this thread: http://mlparena.com/mlp/index.php/topic,301705.0.html :)
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Well, you both are my heroes then. :cheer:
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Thank you - I have a Surprise and a Rose Dust who have those mold dots and I'm going to give the needle treatment a try. They can be the cobaye for the lighter coloured ponies! ^.^
Just to mention that I tried sunfading Surprise after I had put peroxide (3%) on her two mold spots, and I did see the spots get lighter from that. I've been too busy workwise to try it agian in spite of all the sun here...
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Since this is a discussion I have to add my two cents that the pictures of the spots on Sparkler are not mold, those spots may be made by bacteria. In the old forum a member, Blackcurtains, had a thread where she looks at slices of pony diseases under a microscope and she found bacteria in those spots. Also she never found mold on a smooze pony, it was just ingrained dirt. Although I have to say I think there are visible differences between smooze that is mold and that of ingrained dirt. That picture of confetti is more grey and powdery and I think it is mold. I wish she was still playing mad scientist.
I have found that in white ponies without chartruse or bright red hair, sitting in a jar of half peroxide half water for a few weeks takes care of all cancer and bacteria spots. It doesn't touch marker, pen, regrind, or saddle sores though.
I currently have a G1 Butterscotch in peroxide to test on colored ponies. She has leaky plastic and a brown splotch not round in shape like most afflictions.
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I just discovered my Water Lily pony has pindot mold, yuck! I'm wondering what I should do with her. I don't want it to spread to my other ponies for sure!
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When peroxide is mentioned for use in cleaning is it usually regular store bought 3%? I saw Sugar.Lightning stated 3%. Is that standard?
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Hi, teresat - I don't know if 3% is standard, I've seen 6 and higher bandied about, but 3% was what I had on hand, so I went with it. ^.^
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3% is what I use.
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I love this thread BFB! [and is it weird that I love that lipstick picture of Baby Tangles every time I see it :P]
Its great to see other peoples thoughts and opinions on all these issues.
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Hmm, I'm not sure if this is news or not, but I thought I would share anyway.
I've recently acquired a Tara fakie that was covered in nail polish. Normally, I would just use nail polish remover since that's what it was invented for, but the pony's hooves were covered in the stuff, and one of my favorite things about Taras is that they have pearlized hooves. I didn't want any of that to come off so I was too scared to use acetone.
So what did I do? I used dish soap and gently scraped it off with my fingernails.
I just thought maybe this would be relevant for those trying to clean nail polish off of a pearlized pony or symbols and eyes.
Dish soap, warm water, and light scrubbing will remove nail polish from a plastic surface with, in my experience, the underlying paint staying intact.
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If these were answered in the thread I apologize. I skimmed because I'm hurrying back off towards teacher conference thing.
I have some ponies with mold or cancer. how do I really tell the difference?
If they do have cancer is there a way they can be cleaned where they can be with the other ponies? Or is it contagious ect?
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It can be difficult to tell the difference, unfortunately. From my understanding, cancer is usually a brown or dark yellow-y color and mold can range in colors. Mold also usually has a "head," or a dark spot in the center with fading around it. As of right now, there is no cure for cancer. We don't know what causes it and we don't know how to fix it yet. D:
It is not contagious though. I have non-cancer ponies displayed along with cancer ponies and I haven't noticed any problems at all with them. Cleaning them together should be fine. :)
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I'm intrigured by the Removezit picture! Personally, I've never used it, and I was out of the pony loop for a while there, so maybe I missed something. Was it discovered that Removezit has some horrible effect now? Like, all of the ponies that were treated with it a few years ago are having after effects? I thought that stuff was supposed to be some kind of miracle cure! Or is the pony pictured just an odd case?
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I'm intrigured by the Removezit picture! Personally, I've never used it, and I was out of the pony loop for a while there, so maybe I missed something. Was it discovered that Removezit has some horrible effect now? Like, all of the ponies that were treated with it a few years ago are having after effects? I thought that stuff was supposed to be some kind of miracle cure! Or is the pony pictured just an odd case?
I think, like sunfading, it depends on the color of the pony. But I'm not sure...
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I'm intrigured by the Removezit picture! Personally, I've never used it, and I was out of the pony loop for a while there, so maybe I missed something. Was it discovered that Removezit has some horrible effect now? Like, all of the ponies that were treated with it a few years ago are having after effects? I thought that stuff was supposed to be some kind of miracle cure! Or is the pony pictured just an odd case?
I dont believe its an "after years" reaction...I think its just that most recently, most experience seems to have been poor with any kind of acne cream with it discolouring lighter colours yellow and almost removing the dye in other ponies [I believe the pigment removal is worst with any pony which has a red pigment in her plastic]
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It can be difficult to tell the difference, unfortunately. From my understanding, cancer is usually a brown or dark yellow-y color and mold can range in colors. Mold also usually has a "head," or a dark spot in the center with fading around it. As of right now, there is no cure for cancer. We don't know what causes it and we don't know how to fix it yet. D:
It is not contagious though. I have non-cancer ponies displayed along with cancer ponies and I haven't noticed any problems at all with them. Cleaning them together should be fine. :)
Thanks dear. I was a little worried, and I couldn't look at them fully since they are Christmas presents for my other half. I bought her some of the Big Brothers that are just fantastic looking and softer hair than any of my ponies. I'll have to attempt to cleaning those boys up then later. I was just afraid if they were allowed to mingle or not. :lol: I usually clean with bleach, so I'm going to assume that will kill it if they have mold instead?
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It can be difficult to tell the difference, unfortunately. From my understanding, cancer is usually a brown or dark yellow-y color and mold can range in colors. Mold also usually has a "head," or a dark spot in the center with fading around it. As of right now, there is no cure for cancer. We don't know what causes it and we don't know how to fix it yet. D:
It is not contagious though. I have non-cancer ponies displayed along with cancer ponies and I haven't noticed any problems at all with them. Cleaning them together should be fine. :)
Thanks dear. I was a little worried, and I couldn't look at them fully since they are Christmas presents for my other half. I bought her some of the Big Brothers that are just fantastic looking and softer hair than any of my ponies. I'll have to attempt to cleaning those boys up then later. I was just afraid if they were allowed to mingle or not. :lol: I usually clean with bleach, so I'm going to assume that will kill it if they have mold instead?
Bleach cleaner is what we use to kill mold and remove the stains in the bath tub.
Does the bleach discolor colored ponies? I have just used the bleach on white ponies.
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I have seen people use bleach on coloured ponies...I am paranoid and havent myself but I have seen plenty of threads with people using it without any problems.
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I have seen people use bleach on coloured ponies...I am paranoid and havent myself but I have seen plenty of threads with people using it without any problems.
This. I'm a little paranoid about symbols, but I've seen other people who have bleached ponies and they have turned out fine. Plus, bleach is so highly poisonous and I can't help but worry about it for safety reasons. I have only used it once on my Wavedancer that I mentioned, but I didn't DUNK her in it, I took a cotton swab and rubbed. I also doubt that it would do any good for glitter symbols, Twinkle Eyes, or the metallic princess symbols.
Personally, what I recommend for mold is Dawn brand dish soap. It actually contains chemicals that are designed to break down spores and it helps prevent it from ever coming back. I have also used Mr. Clean for experimental purposes, but I still stand by Dawn. It's been a very helpful cleaning tool for me so far.
I cannot emphasize this enough though. Should you choose either chemical, DO NOT MIX BLEACH AND DAWN. DAWN (AND POSSIBLY OTHER DISH SOAPS) CONTAIN AMMONIA AND WILL RELEASE A POISONOUS GAS THAT CAN KILL YOU IF YOU MIX IT WITH BLEACH.
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Well I'm not as big an expert as the rest of you obviously, but I've done it to maybe 30 ponies so far without it hurting anyone? Keep in mind most of the ponies I'm buying are not mint, and it doesn't hurt me in the least to dunk them in bleach. I even did it to a Starry Wings test subject (don't panic she's in bad shape working on her) and it actually made her ruined wings come out brighter than before. I still have to replace them, but I was surprised. She was nasty though, so full of mold and grossness you could literally see the black from her insides through to the outside.
I will say I'm not using just bleach and throwing it on a pony. I have a very small amount of bleach mixed in with hot water. I'm not leaving them in there for a massive amount of time either. I noticed some have made the comment about it destroying their hair, but I had one that it actually softened it out a great deal. I'm sure a lot of it depends on the pony and the condition ect ect as always. I just haven't had a super bad result just yet.
That being said most of my ponies always have done good with a magic eraser. Then I had one that I accidentally about destroyed her color with it somehow. Suppose it's just a risk, but considering mine are so dirty I want something that will destroy! :lol:
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YES, guys, I second Rachel-Eyes on never ever mixing bleach containing products with ammonia containing products!!! Thanks Rachel-Eyes! :)
Now, as far as the safety of bleach, and finding possible alternatives, it can be trusted that anything within the sodium percarbonate (or even sodium perborate) family will have the same results as bleach to my knowledge. This includes Oxi-Clean, etc. These are all based on the action of hydrogen peroxide. Which is why I usually scrub ponies with toothpaste, because it contains a large amount of this to whiten your teeth. Same reason why soaking in peroxide/H2O works. All the same mechanism of action. Oxidation. It's just that bleach uses chlorine to do it, the other chemical families use peroxide - but it's all oxidation.
Now, to the safety concern (where was I going with all this?...) Ah yea, so, anyway, both vinegar and borax will do much the same thing as the peroxides (or bleaches) - at least as far as sterilizing ponies with issues) without all the nasty side effects to your health. This does not mean that there are NO side effects possible, but much more rarely and only with much more contact and over longer periods of time than with the peroxides, etc.
I hope this helps in any way. :huh:
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Vinegar is my clean all cure! So is it safe for ponies and their hair
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The bleach I actually use is Tilex with other cleaner already in it. No mixing! Thanks for pointing that out Rachel-Eyes!
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Yep marigold, vinegar is very safe for ponies! :)