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TCB => Trader & Shipping Support => Topic started by: kCherry on July 09, 2012, 09:42:15 AM
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I'm just flat irritated and cannot help but feel that I may be getting scammed. Sooooo, about two months ago I bought my eldest boy a pair of dance shoes so that he could Zumba with me. Being the space cadet that I can sometimes be I totally did not buy the right size shoe for DANCE shoes (these were a 14 and I ended up buying him a size 19 dance shoe!!!) and sold them a couple of weeks ago to offset the cost of the new shoes. (And am now wishing I had just given them to the younger boy who the shoes fit but had no interest in dancing. XD Oh, 20/20 hindsight, you beeyatch!)
The buyer contacted me in advance to be sure the shoes would fit him, paid right away and left me positive feedback once he received the shoes. I also left him positive fb and thought that everyone was a happy camper.
Then I got a message on Friday saying the shoes had "fallen apart" in a weeks time. I requested pictures and received these;
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I was appalled! Even though my listing stated "No refunds or returns, item sold As-Is" (they looked brand new when they left my hands) I still refunded him half of the purchase price, thus splitting our losses. He responded saying that he did not consider this to be fair compensation and that I should refund him the entire purchase price.
I filed a report against him for abusing the refund policy (though I'm not entirely if sure he has violated any rules requesting a refund for the entire purchase price) and have requested advise from eBay on what steps to take next as I'm at a loss. As a buyer I totally see where he's coming from, but damn, I paid $35 for them originally, lost ten dollars reselling, refunded him another $12.50 and now he is more or less telling me that I should give them to him since they are damaged.
It's taken all of my restraint not to ask him "What the phoenix were you doing in these shoes????" I could honestly understand old soles crumbling and I have no idea on the actual age of these shoes having purchased them "new without box" on eBay myself, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260996901322
But the damage on the toes really make me wary; shoes don't do that on their own in a week if only danced in. I can't help but think he had a horrible dance partner who just destroyed his shoes and now he wants me to pay for damages inflicted by his horrible dance partner! :mad:
I honestly don't know what to think and would like to believe him that he is the victim here, but I have had waaaay too much experience with online shoppers to just be so blindly trusting. *sigh*
So, I want opinions: What would you have done? Have I handled this as I should have or should I have gone about it differently? What the hay do you think happened to those shoes????!! :drunk:
Thanks for reading, everypony.
A-aaaand since I'm running around my old stomping grounds here's a Shout-Out to my peeps, Ringlets, and PL!! YO!!!! :tackleglomp: MISS YOU, GALS!!! :lovey:
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He's worn them and used them. I'm not sure how them falling apart as he claims is your problem. Tell him to take it up with the manufacturer.
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He's worn them and used them. I'm not sure how them falling apart as he claims is your problem. Tell him to take it up with the manufacturer.
Seriously!!! How could it even remotely be your fault the shoes didnt hold up to his dancing? You didnt make the shoes for gosh sakes!
Sorry you have to deal with such a nightmare of an ebay buyer.
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:hug: Cherry!
It sounds to me like he is giving you the run around. I agree with Yuitsu if he wore them out in two weeks, he needs to take it up with the manufacturer. It really is not your problem. And I think you were more than fair giving him a partial refund, although I would have made him return them back to me.
Btw..your pics are not showing for me to see the damage. :(
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It definitely sounds like he's trying to take advantage of you! He sounds like one of those people who buy something from the store then uses it up till its worn out and raggedy, then tries to take it back to the store for a full refund. Don't fall for it, he's trying to take you for a ride!!
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Wait...what?? First of all, I spent YEARS dancing in Capezio shoes and not ever once had a pair degrade on me ever. I've had pairs that literally lasted me for years. In fact, I still have the pair of ballet shoes I used when I was in college almost 15 years ago and they are still in good shape. My daughters are also dancers, and not only have they worn Capezio shoes every dance season, but have 'recycled' them to other younger dancers who can't afford brand new shoes. If you want my opinion, this guy is trying to pull a 'bait and switch' on you, and the ruined shoes are NOT the same ones you sold him.
*Ok, so I called the dance studio where my daughter's dance now to ask them about Capezio men's dance shoes. Their answer: "For a pair of shoes to degrade so badly, they were probably worn in a non-dance room environment." Short answer: the guy either worn the dance shoes rock climbing or they aren't the same pair. No way Capezio shoes fell apart that quickly. Honestly, I really fail to even see how this is your problem and I wouldn't refund him a single penny. Does this guy realize that he got a pair of brand new dance shoes for $25?! New ones on the Capezio website are over $60!!
Ugh, I am so upset for you hunny, and if I were in this situation, I would file a complaint with eBay, then stop responding to this lunatic. I can try to find some pictures of my old dance shoes for you if you think it might help your case.
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*huggles Cherry* :hug: :hug: :hug:
Ugh this guy sounds like a nightmare buyer :yikes: I would hardly think those shoes would get in such a state (I'm going by the descriptions BTW cos unfortunately I cant see your piccies either) in such a short time, and from normal use. Its not like they are cheap shoes either. I'm thinking the same as michelle : he did something to damage them, or he switched the shoes for his old worn out pair and is trying to get his new shoes (the ones he bought from you) as a freebie :mad: I think you were right to let Ebay know about the situation and see what they advise you. I would not give him a full refund cos this buyer seems very dodgy to me
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Sorry to hear of this mess, Cherry! You are TOO NICE to have even offered a partial refund. It sounds to me like a scam-artist buyer as well.
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Thanks for the support ponies. I needed it. In retrospect I realize that I should have told him to take a flying leap.
Sorry to hear of this mess, Cherry! You are TOO NICE to have even offered a partial refund. It sounds to me like a scam-artist buyer as well.
hee hee It occurred to me just yesterday reading these posts that when I was modding I would have advised someone in my position to not refund him a dime. I really am too nice! LOL Oh well. Good thing I believe in karma. Hopefully it'll come back to me one day in some shape or form. :)
Hopefully I fixed the pictures. Ya'll lemme know if you still can't see 'em.
This was my last response to him and I have not heard back from him since, so hopefully this headache is a part of the past,
"Any business or store that sells an item "As-Is, No Refunds or Returns" would not have refunded you any money. And I am not a business or even a regular eBay seller. I advise you to better familiarize yourself with your buyers return policy in the future.
I filed with eBay so that they can help to moderate the situation. As stated before, I will await their response and will act accordingly to their decision.
-Cherry"
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What in the heck did he do to those shoes??? :shocked:
It looks like he was riding his bike and used his toes as stoppers instead of the brakes? Ya know how you did when you were a little kid?
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It looks like he tore them apart and then hot glued them lol. Yeah...that's not normal wear and tear, he totally did something awful to those. I agree with everyone, I wouldn't have given any refund, well at least I say that but I'm a total softie lol. To do that in a couple weeks tho...I agree with ponylady's reasoning XD
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Lol Cherry... Waaay too nice on this one lol! To be honest I agree it looks like abnormal wear. If there is a way you can check to see what else he's bought recently I would not be surprised to see this pair of shoes be another sellers.
It kills me because there are so many great sellers out there who take the fall for a jerk buyer like this...
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Wow what a jerk! I'm so sorry to hear you had to deal with this lunatic. Even if he was telling the truth, it's not your problem. You didn't build the shoes, just sell them...
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I've worked in shoes for nine years and those photos tell me A. they were worn on cement and was trying to do ballet, B. tore them apart themselves, C. dog got a hold of it. D. these are not the original shoes and were bought at a cheap 9.99 shoe store.
Do you have a link to your auction with the original images of the shoes?
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It really frosts me that these things happen... For one, that people can be so very unreasonable and dishonest. What really gets me is that eBay's policies almost encourage this kind of behavior. :(
As everybody else has said-- You are very kind to have offered any kind of refund, and I think that the buyer should be more than happy with that.
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Looks like he was... dancing in the street
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Looks like he was... dancing in the street
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XD WIN!
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I freakin love you Salpy:)
So kCherry, have you heard anymore from him?
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You should show them this thread. Haha!
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You should show them this thread. Haha!
Or send him that video! :lmao:
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It kind of looks like he took fire to them, or something. I agree that it doesn't look like any sort of damage I've ever seen on dance shoes. I wonder if he had buyer's remorse, and did something to them on purpose to get a refund :(
That totally sucks, Cherry. I hope you get some help from ebay.
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Do you have a link to your auction with the original images of the shoes?
Yup, here's my listing, http://www.ebay.com/itm/280904708776?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649
And no, I haven't heard anything back from him so I'm thinking that he's done playing me. I don't know if I should expect to hear anything back from eBay, but if I do I'll update here to let you guys know what the outcome was.
:hug: Cheers, guys!
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Here's to hoping he just leaves you alone without you losing any money or having more hassles!
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Got this one from him this morning, "Has Ebay told you to give me my refund yet?"
I have nothing to say to the man and I believe I've made that quite clear. This guy has nerve, I'll give him that!
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...what the heck? What an idiot. Yeah, continue to ignore him and just wait for ebay. Sheesh.
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You should get your correspondence records together just in case eBay does come knocking at your door. If he sent you anything indicating that he caused the damage to the shoes, keep that message especially handy.
I'm sorry you've been going through this! I understand the kind of anxiety that these things can cause, even if you're 100% sure that you're in the right. :(
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Comparing HIS last photo you listed, to the ones you listed on your eBay auction, the pictures he sent you look like they are a smaller size shoe. The mesh over the toe looks way shorter than it does in your pictures, even considering that photo size could play an issue. It just isn't proportional. I bet if he included a picture of the entire shoe, the proportions would be way off and give it away easily. I wonder if he would be willing to show the entire shoe with the tongue exposing the size for you.
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Thanks, guys. Yeah, I'm not even responding with a "No." He doesn't even deserve that from me, at this point. He's just trying to stress me further hoping to get more money out of me. Whatever. I have kept every bit of the correspondence between the two of us and every message has been through eBay, so they already have access to everything that has been said. I do wish I'd hear Something from them. But considering how lovely eBay is to sellers these days I really don't expect to hear anything from them at all. He might and maybe then he'll finally go away. XD
Comparing HIS last photo you listed, to the ones you listed on your eBay auction, the pictures he sent you look like they are a smaller size shoe. The mesh over the toe looks way shorter than it does in your pictures, even considering that photo size could play an issue. It just isn't proportional. I bet if he included a picture of the entire shoe, the proportions would be way off and give it away easily. I wonder if he would be willing to show the entire shoe with the tongue exposing the size for you.
Hmmmmm... He did send this one with the other pics,
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But he did not send pictures of the full shoes.
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I just wanted to put my two cents in here and say, I used to be a dancer. I got a pair of jazzshoes that look abit like those in your picture. I used them for the three years I went to danceschool and danced in them, after that I've used them as workshoes for 6 years+, walking outside in rain, snow and sunshine in them even though they're not even ment for that and they don't look ANYTHING like those O.o My danceshoes still look perfectly fine alltho with normal wear after all these years.
That looks like his dog or something had a party with them.
And if they came to him in the state that you described them it's not your problem what happends to them when he started using them. I almost think you were too kind in giving him half a refund since none of that in the picture is your fault in any way shape or form :P
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I would respond. Always respond. I would tell him straight out that you no longer believe him and that you think he's playing you. Say that you regret refunding anything and that you're going to report him to Ebay as a scammer that he his.
Why would he feel the need to take a pic of a close up of the size if he wasn't scamming? Seriously. Who does that?