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Title: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Gogobinsin on April 13, 2012, 09:44:15 AM
I recently got Nice n' Spicy and whilst she is in a mostly good condition I noticed at the very base of her tail that she had a tiny bit of rust on the left side. I was able to clean the rust off pretty easily and the rust problem is now not at all noticeable from the outside. She is only my 7th G1 and I've never dealt with tail rust before so I'm a little bit scared of removing her head and removing the washer etc. Should I bother tackling the rust or will leaving it create further problems inside the body? If it should be removed I'd be grateful if somebody could link me to a good guide with details on how to remove and replace the head easily as this is the part that worries me the most, thank you :)
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: partypony566 on April 13, 2012, 12:45:03 PM
Toothpaste is good for tail rust,  you just brush it onto the area with an old toothbrush then rinse off.

You need an exacto knife to take the
 head off and it takes a lot of precision to get it right. I dont have much experience in chopping the heads off though so hopefully someone has some good advice on how to do it!
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Baby Sugarberry on April 13, 2012, 12:51:30 PM
Don't use an exacto knife!
Cutting a pony's head off should be a *last resort*, not a first choice.  See if it's loose already - most of the older G1's heads pop right off with a little pulling and tugging. Try starting at the back of the neck, by grasping the body firmly in one hand, and the pony's head in the other, pulling apart and twisting up a bit.  If that doesn't work fairly easily, try the sides or front.  If that still doesn't work, use a bit of acetone (CAREFULLY! Keep away from painted areas!) around the glue seam, repeat.  You can also try hot water to soften the glue.  If that still doesn't work, try dental floss dipped in acetone to help get through the initial part of the neck seam. 


If you get a partial area opened but the rest is being stubborn, see if you can pop out the "lip" of plastic that holds head heads in firmly.  A hemostat or metal handle, or needle nose pliers can be used to help lever up the head. You want to get behind the inner ring and pry from there, so it won't tear the plastic. Not all ponies require this, some come apart very easily.
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Elisto on April 13, 2012, 12:57:55 PM
Sugarberry, looks like you said what I was about to. I would suggest taking the head off of one with loose glue first to see what you're working with, if this one's head is still glued tight.

I also second toothpaste for removing rust, and if you can get inside, I'd get rid of the washer (assuming that's the rusty part). The tail will generally stay in place without one.
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: hathorcat on April 13, 2012, 01:04:54 PM
Yes, toothpaste is great for getting the remainder of rust out of a tail....however before you get that far you need to decide if you are happy enough to remove her head as thats the only way to get at that washer! If you are not overly bothered by the rust then you should just leave her...she is your pony and its your collection you can leave her as you wish of course...however if you are confident enough then try the below...

Before you get as far as a knife... occasionally the glue holding the head in place can be softened and removed enough with acetone on a cotton bud/q-tip and warm water...or simply some determination...only resort to the nice if you have to and if you do make sure you gently break the seam and then pop the head off - dont cut all the way through the plug.

Then with a pair of tweasers and some determination pull the tail out...remove the rusted washer and metal clip [you ll probably need pliers for this]...scrub the tail with a toothbrush and allow to dry...in the meantime clean out the body of rust [you may as well when you have her head removed!] then secure the tail with a plastic clip and then using a ribbon/string to thread the tail back into the body...head back on [you can glue back into position if you wish or simply replace]

Good luck!
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Baby Sugarberry on April 13, 2012, 01:08:16 PM
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Prying the head from side to side.  Old glue seams are often easily "cracked" open this way, with no damage to the plastic. 


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This is the inner ring you're trying to get under, don't make the mistake of sawing through the recessed middle ring between this and the head.


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A loose G1 head. There's some extra plastic flash around the base ring.  Once you have a head off like this, they pop back on very easily with a little pushing and twisting, and are quite secure.  As an added bonus, your pony's head is posable now too.


I highly recommend removing rusty washers/any loose rust if at all possible, because it can discolor right through the plastic, especially around the tail hole over time, and any further moisture will only make the problem worse.  Removing the rust and rusty ring will ensure no more problems.
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Chi on April 13, 2012, 01:32:48 PM
I don't have much more info that hasn't been said but also soaking the tail in water and dawn soap for a while can help remove rust, along with the toothpaste already mentioned.
Here's a tutorial on how to replace the washer. :)
http://www.mlptp.net/tutorials/makingtails.html
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Ringlets on April 13, 2012, 07:09:58 PM
Tail rust looks nasty but it really isnt hard to get rid of. If the head is difficult to remove, heat it first with a hair dryer to soften the glue around the neck :awake: 
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You'll need to open your pony up and remove the ruust because otherwise it just gets worse, spreads through the body, comes out the mane plugs, and discolors the plastic evetually. Even a little rust could be a lotta rust inside ...take a look at this Snowflake...

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but inside...( mom calls the first picture the dirty toilet )- eeeuuwww!! visitors can't see pics , please register or login


 
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Take some long nosed pliers , like my hubby has in this pic, (if you have thinner , longer ones than these thats even better)V and grab the tail, then pull it out through the neck hole visitors can't see pics , please register or login
  (if the tail is a bit frizzy, wet it and comb it first to make this bit easier)

 
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rust is easy to remove with some toothpaste (any sort will do) , a firm toothbrush and a bottle brush for inside the body  visitors can't see pics , please register or login
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  You can get bottle brushes of various sizes from supermarkets (in baby section), or sometimes hardware stores

 
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Remove the rusty washer and the metal clip -I use pliers to prize the clip off (hubby is doing it for me in these pics while I take the photos visitors can't see pics , please register or login
 )   . Sometimes if its very rusty it crumbles off easily. clean off any remaining rust with toothpaste, and dry the tail n pony either naturally or use a hair dryer visitors can't see pics , please register or login


 
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Use some cord (I use nylon parcel cord) to tie tightly in the centre of the tail and push through the tail hole and pull out through the neck hole visitors can't see pics , please register or login


 
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use a plastic cable tie to secure the tail around the middle bit and cut off the long plastic ends.

 
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  It's easy once you get brave enough to try.

 
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The head will push back on. If there is a slight gap around the neck seam then super glue will hold it but most ponies dont need glueing unless you want to visitors can't see pics , please register or login

 
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Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Chi on April 13, 2012, 08:27:24 PM
What a great little tutorial, Ringlets! Taking the tail out is always the biggest pain because I don't have any tool to do it. Maybe I'll buy some once I'm back home.
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Rhini on April 13, 2012, 10:02:21 PM
What a great little tutorial, Ringlets! Taking the tail out is always the biggest pain because I don't have any tool to do it. Maybe I'll buy some once I'm back home.

Get some pliers from the hardware store, they'll rip that sucker right out! :D

The first pony is always the hardest and makes you feel the worst, but now I take their heads off all the time with no worries :P It's quite humorous really
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: gypsyunicorn on April 13, 2012, 11:55:33 PM
Yea it's funny how we find ponies,are excited to have them only to rip heads off to inspect them for a deep thorough clean,we are meaner then prison guards...our poor ponies...
I will have to try the toothpaste...and I usually leave the clamp on mine...I guess I figured the tail is fine under there and I let the pony dry for weeks with the heads off before putting them back on to display...as for the clamps I figure if the heads been off I can replace the clamp if it rerusts away,I dont really like taking off original clamps...am I the wierdo for leaving clamps? :cry:
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Sarah-Bee on April 14, 2012, 02:20:51 AM
Ringlets, that tutorial is great!

Urm, am I totally overkilling tail rust by using bleach rather than toothpaste? :P (just the affected area, not the whole tail)
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Rococo on April 14, 2012, 02:34:31 AM
Great guide! Thanks for that. I'm gonna need to open up my first pony soon (G1 Lemon Drop) as she is rattling, for some reason... No idea why she is rattling. Loose tail washer? It's like there's something inside of her in her hoof lol.
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Ringlets on April 14, 2012, 03:59:36 AM
I'm glad you thought it was helpful :lovey:  it really is much easier than it looks as well once you try it ;)

LOL Rhini!! :lmao:  that made me almost spray my cup of tea over the computer screen!! :lol: 


Ringlets, that tutorial is great!

Urm, am I totally overkilling tail rust by using bleach rather than toothpaste? :P (just the affected area, not the whole tail)

Just be careful as bleach can take the color out of the tail as well as the rust ;)   it can also dry out the hair
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Baby Sugarberry on April 14, 2012, 04:19:44 AM
Check your tail "clamp" for rust first before you pry it apart - rarely have I found the metal binding part itself rusty, it's almost always the tail ring that is the culprit.  If it's not rusty then you shouldn't have a problem leaving it in.  If it has rusted, the safest thing you can do for the long term health of your pony is to remove it. 


A pair of pliers is a must for any pony collectors basic first aid kit. Let us know how it goes!
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Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Gogobinsin on April 14, 2012, 04:45:34 AM
Thanks for the help I really appreciate everyone's posts :) Thank you for the brilliant guide Ringlets, it makes it look like a piece of cake :P Nice n' Spicy's head seems to be stuck down pretty hard, I'll have another go later :)
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Ringlets on April 14, 2012, 04:26:25 PM
You are welcome hun. I'm happy to help  :hug: 
Some of the later g1 ponies (as well as others such as boys and TEs) do seem to have stronger glue , so heating and softening the neck seal with a hair dryer or with warm water  is usually necessary  ;) 
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Sarah-Bee on April 15, 2012, 02:27:02 AM

Ringlets, that tutorial is great!

Urm, am I totally overkilling tail rust by using bleach rather than toothpaste? :P (just the affected area, not the whole tail)

Just be careful as bleach can take the color out of the tail as well as the rust ;)   it can also dry out the hair

lol yeah, I bleached a whole tail once (Baby Ribbs) and while the colour was fine it was SO dry. And then.... I used straighteners on it and it just disintegrated!! So there you go, my newby mistake - don't do this :P Lol
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: mlp4me on April 15, 2012, 11:58:50 AM
I'd suggest a nice gritty toothpaste, like an arm and hammer whitening, it helps to loosen up stuck on rusty washer chunks and lightens tail rust.

Also, if you don't like using chemicals to loosen up neck glue, boil some water in a tea pot and pour it directly onto the neck seam, this will help to loosen it up. Boiling water will also help to loosen up anything crusty inside the pony...

Good luck!
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Ringlets on April 15, 2012, 05:56:45 PM
Ooh  almost forgot to say this ! -  do before and after pics if you have the time  ^.^  those are always fun to see :happy:
LOL Sarah :P  my first rust removal newbie mistake was to put the cable tie on the tail .... before I pulled the tail back through the hole *facepalm*   :blush:    :yikes:
 
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Baby Sugarberry on April 15, 2012, 06:26:57 PM
? I always put the cable tie/zip tie on before reattaching the tail.  Simply thread the ribbon from the outside to the inside, and pull the loop out the neck hole.  Insert tail through the ribbon loop, making sure the loose end of the tail is closer to the loop than the end with the tie/metal clamp. Pull back through and you're done.


Unless you meant tying it before you had cleaned the tail. n_n;
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Ringlets on April 15, 2012, 06:31:28 PM
I always do it the other way  (put the cord around the tail, pull it out through the neck hole and then attach the cable tie - like in my tutorial) . I've done it your way when replacing a whole tail including washer and clip from a donor pony, but when I tried doing it that way after putting the cable tie on first  I couldnt get it to go through properly  :P
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Cate_Dartfinger on April 15, 2012, 06:33:06 PM
Most hardware stores sell plastic washers now, I went and bought a whole mess of them when I got my girls out of storage. They all got a pretty intensive spa treatment inside and out, and new washers on the tails. My Sugarberry had her behind looking like she sat in something unpleasant, and when I popped her head off, she was brown on the inside. I freaked and thought it was mold, but it did just turn out to be rust. A little splash of CLR on a soft toothbrush made quick work of the yuck inside, but I would be super careful with that sort of chemical, since it can be corrosive. AND the fumes might make you a little lightheaded. I don't use it often, only if somepony is pretty seriously rusty, and nothing else works...  :)
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: PinkRosedust on April 15, 2012, 09:41:31 PM
..as for the clamps I figure if the heads been off I can replace the clamp if it rerusts away,I dont really like taking off original clamps...am I the wierdo for leaving clamps? :cry:

I leave them too. Mostly because they seem impossible to remove for me. o_O But also as Baby Sugarberry said, they often are not even very rusty, if at all! Which I find odd but definitely favorable.
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Ringlets on April 16, 2012, 03:36:53 AM
..as for the clamps I figure if the heads been off I can replace the clamp if it rerusts away,I dont really like taking off original clamps...am I the wierdo for leaving clamps? :cry:

I leave them too. Mostly because they seem impossible to remove for me. o_O But also as Baby Sugarberry said, they often are not even very rusty, if at all! Which I find odd but definitely favorable.

wow you guys are fortunate then!  :)    most ..in fact  almost all (except for maybe one or two  ) of the ponies I've treated for rust have had really manky rusty clamps as well as washers  :yikes:
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Baby Sugarberry on April 16, 2012, 11:14:19 AM
Huh, that's really strange.  o.O I've popped heads off at least a hundred ponies and maybe found one or two rusty clamps, but tons of rusty washers.  I wonder if there was a difference in materials between the ponies sold in Canada and those in the USA?  Or maybe it has to do with climate?  It seems statistically improbable to be a coincidence.
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Gogobinsin on April 16, 2012, 03:03:02 PM
So this pony's head is being reeeeeally stubborn, I tried acetone around the seal which didn't work, I tried heating it up with a hair dryer which just made the plastic squidgy but did nothing to the glue and then I ran a hot tap till it was so hot I couldn't touch it and put the neck area under it for a couple of minutes whilst turning it so all around the seal got hot. With a knife this has worked at softening the glue around the back of the neck and I've managed to partially open it but now I'm trying to get the sides and front loose the hot water is doing nothing :( Any other tips for a pony that just doesn't want to part with its head? :P
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Baby Sugarberry on April 16, 2012, 03:54:53 PM
Have you gotten partial access to the inside? Like, under the outer ring?  If that's the case, it's usually pretty easy to use something like a hemostat or needle nose pliers to pry the head loose, by inserting it under the head and levering.  You can also try dripping a small amount of acetone into the neck seal and letting it sit a bit, that'll often help loosen the remainder.  Patience, persistence!  Don't rush things, you'll get it off eventually.  :awake:
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Gogobinsin on April 16, 2012, 04:13:29 PM
No I can't get any part of it out yet, I can see the plug piece when I pull the head and body apart slightly but I just can't get it loose enough around the sides to be able to pull it out at all, I think if I tried to just yank it apart I'd 'rip' the plastic. It doesn't look like the head has been removed before but the glue is so hard it looks like it's been super glued on :/ I'll try putting some acetone in the the bit I've managed to get open so far and leave it for a while then, thanks :) Guess I'll just keep working at it slowly, spent about 4 hours getting this far :P
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Ringlets on April 16, 2012, 06:39:02 PM
sometimes when its that stubborn, you need to use a craft knife  (not to cut the head off , but to carefully score around the neck seal glue). be very careful though!   ;)  .  You might not need to do it much as it can just crack the glue and it then comes off easy (does that make sense LOL? its late. perhaps I'll have to clarify it a bit tomorrow :yikes:  )
If you do manage to prize the head partially off by using the acetone/heating method etc, there might be a bit if the plastic lip left attached inside the neck that tears off the main part of the head (this doesnt happen very often, but if it does, it shouldnt cause a problem. You'll just need to glue the head back on after cleaning the pony out)  :awake:
Title: Re: Tail rust help please?
Post by: Roogna on April 17, 2012, 07:08:37 AM
I use Rit Rust Remover on pony tails :)
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