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Pony Talk => MLP Nirvana => Topic started by: banditpony on February 11, 2012, 08:14:51 AM
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Hi. :lol:
I thought maybe this would be handy for anyone who might not know about takara babies aka "Kawaii Pony" かわいいポニー , or fakie baby takaras. It is of course obvious to me which one is real, and which one isn't. But it might not be to other people. So I thought this guide would help out to any confusion... because I have seen confusion, even within the past week.
My babies aren't quite ready for a real photoshoot yet. I have still have a bit more work of getting some decayed rubberband residue out of their hair (I am slowly getting it out).
Let me know if you have any questions about either real or fakies that might not of been covered. :) I am more than happy to answer any questions-- or if there are certain pictures you'd like to see.
STEP ONE: Identification.
As far as we know, from inserts, boxes, and the catalogue, the only Takara babies released are Popo and Lily. Popo is the yellow one, pink hair, and arms up. Lily is the pink one, purple hair, and arms down. They are the same colors as Milky and Pinky (the adults).
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STEP TWO: Neck.
I have never seen a baby takara fakie with a U shaped neck joint. Not to say they don't exist, but I have taken the head off of at least 30 fakies. Pop that head off and look how the head is attached to the body. (Fakies have all sorts of different ways from T shape to V shape).
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STEP THREE: Markings.
It should have a clear indication on the bottom (c) TAKARA CO LTD / '85 / JAPAN. And yes, some might have remnants of this, but it must be very clear and readable.
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STEP FOUR: Quality.
Baby fakie takaras do have varying qualities. Some are better than others. Things to look out for are : blurry eyes, poor nose paint, bad dry hair, and how the hair is rooted. REAL baby takaras have finely printed eyes, blush, nice paint job, full thick quality hair, well rooted hair including two straight rows on the tail. I really would look at the rooting, and plugs if your takara is in bad condition.
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But really, there are TONS of fakies out there! And the best thing about them is that they come in so many shapes and sizes abd colors! And to be honest, I don't think they are that rare either. Here is a comparison shot of a real girl with some of her fakie sisters.
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For more comparisons : http://www.flickr.com/photos/52sheep/sets/72157631167832340/
Last updated AUG 20, 2012.
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Super interesting - thank you!!
Now I just need to find some in a thrift store or something :P
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wow! so informative! thanks! I was wondering about that. ^__^
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Awesome work! It is so great to finally be able to look at an actual Takara Kawaii Pony.
I like it too that there are such a large variety in the fake ones. It really adds to the fun and intriguing part of Takara collecting!
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brilliant work :D
does she have blush? :)
love pkw xxx
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This is great. :D I hope to have a Takara of my own someday. :)
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brilliant work :D
does she have blush? :)
love pkw xxx
:) Yes there is blush, in fact I think that's my favorite part.
Awesome work! It is so great to finally be able to look at an actual Takara Kawaii Pony.
I like it too that there are such a large variety in the fake ones. It really adds to the fun and intriguing part of Takara collecting!
:O It really does~
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I love this thread, thank you very much! x
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Very interesting!!
Thanks for the run though....
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thank you for answering my question, that is so cute they have blush. i must say it really adds and she does stand out from the rest of the fakies as different.
the fakies are still such fun though ;)
love pkw xxx
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So awesome! I want one so badly!
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I thought maybe this would be handy for anyone who might not know about takara babies aka "Kawaii Pony" かわいいポニー , or fakie baby takaras. It is of course obvious to me which one is real, and which one isn't. But it might not be to other people. So I thought this guide would help out to any confusion... because I have seen confusion, even within the past week.
My babies aren't quite ready for a real photoshoot yet. I have still have a bit more work of getting some decayed rubberband residue out of their hair (I am slowly getting it out).
Let me know if you have any questions about either real or fakies that might not of been covered. :) I am more than happy to answer any questions-- or if there are certain pictures you'd like to see.
Thank you for taking the time to make a proper id thread. Now when people ask about takara babies we can just direct them here.
Are you planning to make (or have) a website about takaras as well? :)
I have so many questions.. I have a few fakies and always wondered which one of them would be closest to the real thing, as they do vary a lot in size, shape, color and so on.
Do you know if there are any fakies looking exactly like the originals? As in, exactly the same mold, both in shape and size? (just missing the bottom stamp that is)
As I cannot afford a real takara baby that would be the second best thing so to speak. Because once I have a pony body in the right mold, the paint and the hair wouldn't be that hard to replace to make it look more like a real takara baby.
If there are no fakie bodies exactly like the real thing, then I would go for fakies exactly the same shape just scaled down/up a little, I guess...
And if that doesn't exist either, I would try to find whatever shape looked overall closest to the real thing.
I'm thinking the fakies, that are not that hard to find after all, will probably vary more in value in the future. (speaking about non customized ones now)
Currently they are all very popular and when it comes to value those with bright and unusual colors seem to sell the best.
Because the real takara babies are so extremely rare there haven't been a way to determine how 'good' a certain fakie is. But I think that is about to change. The closer to the real thing, the higher the value, in my opinion.
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Good questions Tootie_tails! :lol:
I had plans to make a webpage, but then I didn't think anyone would be interested in it, so I gave up my research. I am hoping at the very least to write a spotlight for them. :)
Onto your question about which are the closest.
Short answer : eeeeh, none of them. But pictures can help you out for what you are looking for!
Longer answer (but still short) I really want to look at them to try to see how closely they all resemble each other, but I never had the time to. Because now that I think about it, I think the plastics have something to do with it. The real babies are made out of very thin plastic, but it looks and feels really nice. Most of the fakies seem to have drooping heads, you'll see what I mean ... o_O
Another place I want to really examine them is their feet, but that's... too long to explain at the moment.
I have more, that might also vary a bit, but I think these ones cover a lot of it.
Starting off with the biggest monster, and the ones that also knocked off the crib. Palau. Now, I'm only assuming these are Palau because of the crooked double row rooted tails, size, and typical (poor quality) paint job.
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and here are two others, from another angle.
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Ok, moving on. These next two are ones that I consider the ones easiest to find in a better quality. The blue one originally had yellow hair. These are my favorite out of all the fakies. :) And I think are the best option for customizing, because they are more common, and most of them can keep their heads at the right angle (blue one, not pink).
The interesting thing is, is these are the ones that can have traces of takara on the bottom. In fact, the blue one does. But they are a teeeeeny bit smaller. (the head, the feet..)
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This one is one that has a hole in the bottom of it, so I consider it to be produced by another company. Who, not sure. Won't ever know. Including her, because she's another variety.
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This one, I like too. she is translucent, but she was better quality. On the smaller side, too.
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And lastly, the lovely pet fakie... which is also referred to the fakie of a fakie...
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Thank you for the information! It was really helpful
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Thanks!! :heart: ^.^
These pictures are really good for comparing.
I see what you mean with drooping heads. I guess part of the problem may be the lower quality plastic.
It seems the real babies have rounder faces than the fakies as well. Like the fakies don't have full cheeks.
I know I have at least four fakie babies but could only find one of them atm. She is blue and she has those traces of the takara stamp. Judging by her shape I think she is one of these types (her plastic is matte so I guess probably the first type):
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I'll take a picture of her now and update this post later today.
I noticed this as well in your pictures - the real babies have a bigger portion of their muzzle painted, and their eyes are located further back on their heads. So on a fakie that would need to be repainted in order to make it look more real.
About what height are the real babies?
Is the hair rooted exactly the same way on both of yours, or do the hairlines have different styles?
I noticed my fakie, the only one I have at hand atm, has traces of markings for where the hairlines should go, and it sort of matches how the hair looks on yours but not quite - will try to get a photo of that as well.
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Awesome guide!! I love these little guys!
For me it's much, much simpler to evaluate whether or not they are genuine: If I owns it it's a fakie! :P
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So here is my fakie. She has nailpolish on her >_< But at least she is not as droopy headed as the others:
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The hairlines on her forehead are weird. Other than the hair that is actually there, I can see markings for where the hair should have been. I tried to take pictures of it but it doesn't show up well, I had to pull up the contrast to make it visible at all. I ended up editing in white dots to show where the lines go.
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To me these lines made me think of palau(?) fakies I have seen, they had hair like that. Which is confusing as the body part has traces of the takara stamp.
My fakie has a palau type mold head on a takara mold body? :lol:
Or do your real takara babies have hairlines like that too? :)
She is missing her tail but you can tell there used to be one. There are plug holes and they look a little messed up like hair has been pulled out from there.
There is only one row of plugs. Just above the plug row there are scratches in the mold like something was removed or changed.
Again it didn't show up well so I edited in dots to show it:
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Her height is 5.9 cms (just under two and a half inches?)
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Thank you for posting these, wonderful pics of such cute babies!
You wouldn't happen to have in WIP pics of the rubber band removal at all? My girl has what looks like orange glue residue in her hair which I am currently trying to get out, but now that you mention it - might be decayed rubber band.
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Juri - Yeah, that orangeness is from the decayed rubberband. My Milky and Fuwa have it too. (sigh) It was much worse in the babies. It is less noticeable when I combed out and washed their hair multiple times. I don't know if it was because I washed their hair and untangled it from that brown mess, or if it is because the product I used helped. Either way, I have many more plans to try and try again, although I am sure it is stained. --- and to answer your question in the other thread, no pictures yet, it is certainly on my to-do list though. @__@;
tootie_tails- those ones are my favorite, and the most common. I have my suspicion of what company made them, but I'm not too entirely sure. I even think those ones were the ones that were distributed in little eggs. :( But unfortunately that information is more dependent on stories from people who remember buying takara fakies first hand.
But it is often they do have the guidelines for rooting the hair. (nicely painted eyes, two dots in the hair, can have a tail or not, T shape neck if you pop the head off....) Most common colors Blue with yellow hair ; Pink with blue hair.
And it is often you can see traces of takara on those ones. And sometimes not. The head is not Palau. It would be much larger, and would have messy eyes and one dot, and thicker/uneven rooted hair. Also, it would not have the guidelines for the bang-- palau's have one or two rows in a straight line slightly above the ears. Not curved.
I think that covers it @__@~
Feel free to ask any more questions~
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Juri - Yeah, that orangeness is from the decayed rubberband. My Milky and Fuwa have it too. (sigh) I don't know if it was because I washed their hair and untangled it from that brown mess, or if it is because the product I used helped. Either way, I have many more plans to try and try again, although I am sure it is stained.
I have managed to get the 'solid' bits mostly out of my milky, but I think the stain is here to stay too :( I used Goof off and it helped a lot with the residue. If you find anything to help the stain please let me know! any tips welcome :)
I also am finding that milky has very stiff hair, not so visible on display.. but not very helpful when trying to remove the orange stuff - so worried about causing damage O_o
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That orange discoloration, is it sticky or just a discoloration in the hair?
If it is discoloration having gone actually in to the plastic, then I think sunfading is the only thing that might help.
That would require extreme caution though, especially on pink hair, as the sun could fade the original color as well.
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I've always wondered about these, but know very little about them. Thank you for sharing all of the info!!
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This may be an odd question, but were any of the fakies known to come with clothes, I have one on the way to me that has a hat, which the seller stated was original to the toy. It's like a little Orange striped night cap ;p
Just curious! I'm lovin' this thread. :)
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Juri - I do have one picture. I haven't really tried to clean it off yet. My first step was to remove the hard rubberband residue for this specific thread. I wanted to make them somewhat presentable. I was going to tackle the staining later, when I can work with some product outside... (It's still winter).
But their hair is soft. (Not silky soft like a brand new pony, but very soft for it's age). So I feel a bit safe testing a few products.
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(It's actually not as bad as it was originslly. I found it hard to see it in dim lighting. A bit easier to see in natural light. And Lily has some shiny hair, and it shows up more in the picture than in real life)
Tootie_tail- it wasn't sticky. It was just hard. :O sunfading scares me. My popo has not seen any sun ever. Her hair is quite vibrant pink.
MissSleepless- I do believe I know which one you are speaking of (I thought it was super cute!). I don't really think it's original to the pony... otherwise I think we would of seen a lot more of them. (I tend to group the ones with nice eyes with two dots, common colors into one group). But there is no way for sure, so I can't give a definite no.
Although now that I think about it, some of the fakies did come with accessories. I should add that! :) There is a little bow clip, bottle, and comb. And some of the little Palau's came with a clear cage container. *^_^* Note to self, edit first post with update. I'll show a comparison too.
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MissSleepless- I do believe I know which one you are speaking of (I thought it was super cute!). I don't really think it's original to the pony... otherwise I think we would of seen a lot more of them. (I tend to group the ones with nice eyes with two dots, common colors into one group). But there is no way for sure, so I can't give a definite no.
Although now that I think about it, some of the fakies did come with accessories. I should add that! :) There is a little bow clip, bottle, and comb. And some of the little Palau's came with a clear cage container. *^_^* Note to self, edit first post with update. I'll show a comparison too.
Thanks bandit! I read bow clip as bowtie for some reason, and now I have to make one for my little chap when he gets here. xD
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I actually have a question. Banditpony. What products are you going to use outdoors?
Just my own curiousity talking.
Also did your lovely fuwafuwa come with a catalogue. My Sara did not sadly and I am just starting to keep track of catalogues made for this line.
*hugs*
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That was helpfull. Thanks Banditpony! The real ones are really cute. I better not fall for them, because they are WAY too rare!
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I always thought it was glue that Fuwafuwa had in her pigtails. Never considered that rubberbands would turn into something like that. It made sense for her to have it to keep the pigtails in place so kids could easily switch hair bands, but it's too bad other have it as well! Atleast you seem to have been able to wash off most of it very well, banditpony! =)
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a few of mine do not have it but it seems the early osharena ponies (original milky and pinky) both had rubberbands in their hair to keep their hair in place when they were sold. My pinky's rubberbands were immediately removable.. They were still usable rubber bands so I was able to remove without damage. HOwever i am thinking the original milky's (light pink hair (which is not silky like pinky) seem to absorb the rubber somewhat. That is my theory :)
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So here is my fakie. She has nailpolish on her >_< But at least she is not as droopy headed as the others:
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To me these lines made me think of palau(?) fakies I have seen, they had hair like that. Which is confusing as the body part has traces of the takara stamp.
I have the same fakie, she came in set with a pink one who had blue hair. Both have slightly showing 'Takara' stamps on their butt. I got them when I was a kid so don't remember much about them or the actual brand. The hair is so bad quality that I should re-root both of them. They were the only fakies in my herd which I liked 'cause they were so cute. ^.^
I also have the bright pink one with purple hair, she's much worse quality-wise than the blue&pink 'twins' and there's no trace of a stamp.
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tootie ~ her nail polish is cute! it suits her imho :)
love pkw xxx
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Ember1- I keep forgetting to go look at what sort of cleaner it is. It is something for stain removal in laundry.. but it is really evil potent stuff. It's basically just what is on hand in my house. I will also try baking soda, and oxy clean of some sort.
My fuwafuwa (foofoo ;D as I call her) didn't come with a little booklet. Only the babies, and Milky ( of course). I imagine since they only came out for one year, maybe that was the only one distributed. (unless you have something else with sarasara?) Otherwise... maybe there is something with the playsets...