Some people just need to find things to be angry about. I think people just need to chill.I agree, people get so worked up over EVERYTHING anymore. it's ridiculous. :l
Because 'snails' isn't an insult used to refer to disabled people, Snails doens't have mismatched eyes, and Snails doesn't talk in a mocking parody of many disabled people's voices. And Snails isn't portrayed as being oblivious, breaking everything he touches, and to annoying to be around.
there's a bit where they're slightly making fun of Canadians!Uh...I saw the episode and I don't remember anything about Canadians?
You're thinking about Squirmy. Snails has that pony's colors and symbol, I remember making a post about it a while backthere's a bit where they're slightly making fun of Canadians!Uh...I saw the episode and I don't remember anything about Canadians?
Also, I had thought Snails was based on the G1 of the same name, not the nursery rhyme.
there's a bit where they're slightly making fun of Canadians!Uh...I saw the episode and I don't remember anything about Canadians?
Also, I had thought Snails was based on the G1 of the same name, not the nursery rhyme.
why is it so many people go straight to :muffin: Pony being a stereotype of someone with a disability? has no one ever seen some goofy person making a face? has no one ever heard some one that had a voice that was different? has no one ever seen someone that clumsy? what world are you living in where only disabled people are like that? as for her name, how big would the uproar have been if they had called her something else?
why is it so many people go straight to :muffin: Pony being a stereotype of someone with a disability? has no one ever seen some goofy person making a face? has no one ever heard some one that had a voice that was different? has no one ever seen someone that clumsy? what world are you living in where only disabled people are like that? as for her name, how big would the uproar have been if they had called her something else?
I have never seen a goofy person make a face almost 24/7, no. XD
Not that i'm saying that anyone with such an eye problem is mentally disabled. In fact, the way they portray the only pony with this condition as an idiot is questionable in itself.
My point is just that it's a known offensive stereotype, so why include it? That just seems...well..insensitive.
Haha, well, I think that anyone who is offended by any of these characters is taking the show a little too seriously... :throw:This is all.
Some people just need to find things to be angry about. I think people just need to chill.Could not agree more. It's just a cartoon, people.
Also this.Haha, well, I think that anyone who is offended by any of these characters is taking the show a little too seriously... :throw:This is all.
Some people just need to find things to be angry about. I think people just need to chill.Could not agree more. It's just a cartoon, people.
Post Merge: January 24, 2012, 12:38:35 PMAlso this.Haha, well, I think that anyone who is offended by any of these characters is taking the show a little too seriously... :throw:This is all.
I'm not trying to 'take a stab' at anyone. It just worries me that everyone is so danged sensitive these days and everyone feels the need to be so politically correct all the time. It's a cartoon. They chose the name, and no amount of complaining is going to change anything, more than likely. What's done has been done and theres no changing it, and anything else is a waste of energy. thats my two cents on the subject.While i can't say i'm "offended". Do you guys really need to give these sneaky stabs at people who don't feel the same way as you guys do? I don't think it's that hard to understand both views...Some people just need to find things to be angry about. I think people just need to chill.Could not agree more. It's just a cartoon, people.
Post Merge: January 24, 2012, 12:38:35 PMAlso this.Haha, well, I think that anyone who is offended by any of these characters is taking the show a little too seriously... :throw:This is all.
It just worries me that everyone is so danged sensitive these days...This right here is what bothers me too. There are a lot of things in this world to be truly concerned about - a cartoon character isn't one of them.
I think it is more 'expected/accepted' to have goofy man characters in media who are lovable (and FORGIVEN) for their shortcomings - but women are expected to be perfect?
Homer Simpson - lovable idiot, Marge - pretty much 'perfect' wife. Same in Family Guy and maaany other cartoons and sitcoms (rash foolish husband, sensible wife).Daisy and Minnie - Perfect, but wheres is Mrs Goofy NOW? I know the older cartoons had more characters, but how popular are they now compared to the 'core' bunch we see everywhere now.In what I observe from my personal experiences, family, academic and work it SOMETIMES feels like if mistakes are made by men, others MAY (not always) be more ready to forgive them 'cause their just men afterall' but women should know better because they are 'expected' to be more sensibleI think girls should be allowed to be goofy and much as the male characters.
Some people just need to find things to be angry about. I think people just need to chill.Could not agree more. It's just a cartoon, people.
Post Merge: January 24, 2012, 12:38:35 PMAlso this.Haha, well, I think that anyone who is offended by any of these characters is taking the show a little too seriously... :throw:This is all.
While i can't say i'm "offended". Do you guys really need to give these sneaky stabs at people who don't feel the same way as you guys do? I don't think it's that hard to understand both views...
If some kid who is mentally disabled watches the show, and hears the dopey-pony being called ':muffin: Pony,' don't you think that will hurt them? The word ':muffin: Pony' does not exist in a vacuum - people are being mocked with that word, even today. It would be like if her name was a racial slur; just because your privileged self doesn't think that it's offensive, that's probably because you've had no experience with it.
It seems incredibly insensitive to the people who ARE upset to try to deny them their right to protest the thing that upsets them.
At this point, we have had those who work with disabled people as well as people with similar impairments themselves, proclaim not only a lack of offence taken, but an actual fondness for :muffin: Pony.
When someone comes on who says they have actually been bullied or teased as a result of this character, or witnessed an account of a child being bullied as a result of this character, it would at least give the criticisms some semblance of a purpose. But to my knowledge, the only people who are saying they're offended, are the people who have no absolutely affiliation with the people who have the traits they're affiliating :muffin: Pony with, or the consequences they're linking as a result of the character.
As deeply saddening as it is, for as long as humanity exists, there will likely always be bullies and people who tease for the sake of teasing. Getting rid of :muffin: Pony isn't going to change that. Banning any or even ALL aspects of entertainment that center around "different" characters is not going to change that. It's just going to mean that everybody will be fearful of creating anything that isn't strictly PC, which has already resulted in a great many of great shows being policed, and the quality of much entertainment going down-hill.
If kids weren't going around calling one another ":muffin: Pony", it would just be something else. As I've said before, it's the reasons children take to bullying and teasing in the first place that requires focus, because... well, it's the root of the problem!
This, however is like the white guy who says he is offended, when the black guy gets a joke thrown at him in humor - when the black guy himself was not at all offended, and actually took the joke in good humor. I see this as offence for offences sake.
I believe this is an over-reaction. The last I checked, nobody was trying to "deny" anybody the right to anything?
Look I give up. I didn't mean to offend anyone, I was attempting to merely voice my opinion the same way everyone else was. sorry.
But I feel alienated from my own fandom due to bronies.I agree with this statement. It is peculiar having the same guys that teased me in elementary school loving ponies now. I believe that these guys never did grow up and have the same bad habit of making fun of anything different. That is why i dont think they should have ever called her :muffin: Pony. If that term was around back then they would have called me and many other kids that and i don't think its right. I also do not think it is appropriate for any little kid. I mean we cant keep them in the dark forever, but alot of these kids go through enough as it is! My mom works as a nurse for a center city school and it makes me cry some of the things that happen to these poor kids because of reckless and irresponsible adults. To these kids FiM offers a haven. A place to be happy and seclude themselves from the horrible things happening to and around them. To have something like this in a kids show is not right. If they have parents like the one's im talking about there will be no one to tell them what :muffin: Pony is, what is wrong and how to act around people like that. They probably will end up using the term, not knowing what it is, and hurting another kid. Kids are cruel, but they only get that way from all the cruel things around them.
But it was a few minutes of cameo and didnt even have any real importance to the main plot, apart from destroying town hall, leading to the Mayor needing money to fix it.
My point was the :muffin: Pony herself only ahows up for about 5 minutes and provides a plot point, but Nevermind. As previously stated, I give up.But it was a few minutes of cameo and didnt even have any real importance to the main plot, apart from destroying town hall, leading to the Mayor needing money to fix it.Uh that was the ENTIRE point of the episode. The town hall was broken so the mayor (and maybe others, honestly I stopped paying close attention after :muffin: Pony appeared) wanted Applejack to win so she could get the money to fix it.
Well, if you go through a thread and dismiss every other opinion that is opposite to yours with "these people need to get a life" and "calm down, it's just a cartoon," it can seem very dismissive and rude. They are not denying anyone rights (since they can't stop people from posting, after all), but it does feel like they are attempting to 'shut down' the conversation and insult/shame others into not responding. So 'deny' would be the wrong word, I think, you are right there.Thank you! It's a really close-minded attitude to take. I think there are a few people who have forgotten that this, first and foremost, is a kid's show. Kids aren't dense. They pick things up. They see :muffin: Pony: who, in the small scene she's featured, in displays no positive qualities*; has several physical traits that, when combined, come across as her being disabled; they see Rainbow Dash talk to her dismissively - and isn't RD a role model on the show? Expecting kids not to idolise her and mimic her is a bit of a stretch, and we really don't need yet another negative portrayal of (and reaction to) disability.
I was so hoping they'd use Ditzy Doo - much cuter and not offensive IMOWhat this really means is that we still don't know what Ditzy Doo looks like. She's going to be the Moondancer of Ponyville.
I don't really understand the people who say "Well *I'm* not offended, so whatever!"
Is it that hard to think "Well, clearly this upsets and offends other people, so I'm going to back them up on it."
For example, I'm white. So if someone called me a racial slur, I wouldn't be personally hurt or offended by being called it - but I would still recognise that it is *offensive*, and chances are I'd tell them I didn't think that word or language should be used, at all.
As I mentioned in the other thread, I've talked to one parent in particular who has a 6 year old with wall eyes, and she quite often gets teased about it at school, and has apparently been called a 'derp' before with regards to it. Now one of the characters in her favourite show is called a name used to tease her, and is treated pretty damn badly by one of the main, supposed role model characters. How is that ok?
Watch the scene again. Remember that the show is aimed at children. Then think how a child with wall eyes or who is disabled in a similar way to :muffin: Pony (I always prefered the name Bright Eyes for her, but whatevs) might feel about that.
Kids are *smart*. They're quick and sensitive and often pick up on things you might not expect. As far as I'm concerned, if that scene is enough to make even a few kids feel worse about themselves and their disabilities, it shouldn't be there.
As for the whole 'shout out to the bronies' thing, what the hell? Why do the bronies need a shout out? Especially an offensive one? It's a show aimed at young kids, especially girls. Why on earth do the bronies feel the need to own it?