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Pony Talk => Off Topic => Topic started by: Leave a Whisper on September 02, 2017, 06:25:16 PM
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So what do you guys think of the upcoming Lord of the Flies remake? I confess I've never read the book.
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I've never read the book or seen either of the movies based on it... But an all female cast reboot sounds like it's just not going to work. (not quite like the controversy of Ghost Busters though)
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I think it's completely stupid. I get the cry for more females in films but this ruins the entire point of the book -_-
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That part I do agree with.
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It could be interesting if a female writer, director and producer would be backing it. But I simply don't trust men to understand how girls would behave in such a scenario.
It's been reported that similar projects written by women have been shut down by male execs.
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I've never read the book but I've seen the movie a couple of times. I don't see why they need to remake it, it wasn't good enough in my opinion. Maybe that's the point of a remake but why are they doing all girls, so they can have catfights or something stupid like that.
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I didn't know they were remaking the movie, but I had to read the book in school and what a terrible book it was! What the heck were they about making that a set work book for children?! I utterly hated it. :cry:
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I didn't know they were remaking the movie, but I had to read the book in school and what a terrible book it was! What the heck were they about making that a set work book for children?! I utterly hated it. :cry:
Me too! We had to study this book at school and then were "treated" to a black-n-white movie to watch... I didn't like the nightmare of a story, the bullying, the violence... that awful bit towards the end... no thank you!
I am not interested in watching it at all, but I suppose someone wanted the exercise in exploring how a group of girls would react when put in the same situation as that group of boys were. Fair play to them, but it's just not the sort of subject matter that I want to see!
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They are making a movie?
We had to read the book in grade 10. It..has a lot of meaning and impact.
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A female adaptation just wouldn't work for this - it changes the entire story completely. Sure, girls in that situation wouldn't be all sunshine and roses necessarily, but the dynamic would be totally different. I agree that they'd end up making it basically Mean Girls but on a deserted island.
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Oy, the female adaptation thing is becoming grossly tiresome and overdone like Disney's 'Let's make all the animated movies live action!!!11' thing. Why can't Hollywood come up with new ideas instead of bothering old ones so much? There are a lot of books for instance that have never had a movie adaptation. That'd be a great start.
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Oy, the female adaptation thing is becoming grossly tiresome and overdone like Disney's 'Let's make all the animated movies live action!!!11' thing. Why can't Hollywood come up with new ideas instead of bothering old ones so much? There are a lot of books for instance that have never had a movie adaptation. That'd be a great start.
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I blame it on SJWs.
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One thing I never got from reading the book in high school, but I later read online, is that Lord of the Flies is actually a response to another novel (whose name escapes me :P)! The previous novel is about a group of British schoolboys who are marooned during a trip, too. They, being very British and oh-so-excellent as such, immediately work together, set up camp, and are rescued thanks to how very clever and morally upright they are! :P William Golding (had to google the author, LOL!) didn't think much of the pro-British propoganda feel of the novel, so he wrote his own, more "realistic" version of how upper-class white teenage boys might react in such a situation - nightmarishly!
Thus, an all-female remake of Lord of the Flies just wouldn't work, since the whole book was about how the intersection of semi-wealthy, white, adolescent, male worldviews result in a particularly vicious and murderous end when pushed to their breaking point. Although you could make the same point for white female worldviews being vicious too, women aren't allowed/socialized to be violent in the same way that men are, and so the whole plausibility of the snowballing violence doesn't make as much sense, and the larger social commentary is lost.
I think the large studios are trying to "make things female!" without really understanding why or how it should be done. Women would love to see a female-led Maze Runner, Harry Potter, etc.! But Lord of the Flies doesn't really work! :yikes:
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I believe that women can be just as vicious, maybe more so, given their inclination to manipulate and add a mental/social aspect. We don't call them "mean girls" for nothing. It just may not escalate in the same fashion as in the Lord of the Flies.
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Post Merge: September 07, 2017, 10:02:30 AM
I believe that women can be just as vicious, maybe more so, given their inclination to manipulate and add a mental/social aspect. We don't call them "mean girls" for nothing. It just may not escalate in the same fashion as in the Lord of the Flies.
Of course they can, I've known plenty of brutal, cruel girls. What, do people think gang member girls only get into sissy slap fights? Or that temperamental addicts are strictly weepy and depressed? Do they think women in the military are too genteel to be in dangerous combat situations? Do they think only men are capable of getting physically violent when they're jealous? Cause anyone who thinks otherwise has their head stuck in the sand.
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Post Merge: September 07, 2017, 10:02:30 AM
I believe that women can be just as vicious, maybe more so, given their inclination to manipulate and add a mental/social aspect. We don't call them "mean girls" for nothing. It just may not escalate in the same fashion as in the Lord of the Flies.
Of course they can, I've known plenty of brutal, cruel girls. What, do people think gang member girls only get into sissy slap fights? Or that temperamental addicts are strictly weepy and depressed? Do they think women in the military are too genteel to be in dangerous combat situations? Do they think only men are capable of getting physically violent when they're jealous? Cause anyone who thinks otherwise has their head stuck in the sand.
Lol, well put!
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I didn't know they were remaking the movie, but I had to read the book in school and what a terrible book it was! What the heck were they about making that a set work book for children?! I utterly hated it. :cry:
Could not have put it better. Horrible book, horrible to study, horrible to read, just generally horrible. Had to study it aged 13-14. Horrible, horrible horrible book.
I still have that refrain in my head from the film. Kill the pig, cut its throat, spill its blood...after more than 20 years its still rooted into my consciousness. And as a bullied kid at school, I'm afraid I find it just horrible and certainly not something kids should be studying, even if they were given the context (which we weren't) of its composition.
IMO it should never be read by anyone, let alone adapted into another film of any kind.
I studied some very odd books at school and college, some of which were far more disturbed in their ideology than LOTF, and I now study texts in which people do die horribly on the battlefields of mediaeval Japan as a matter of course. I'm not squeamish, but there was something empty and hollow about this book that really gave me the creeps and still does. I hated it then, I loathe it now, and honestly, find it more disturbing that anyone would want to dramatise it, rather than the idea of female roles.
I don't really care for the forced political correctness of feminisation lately in media roles and such, but the real core issue for me is that this is a horrible book. Horrible along the lines of Battle Royale and a certain franchise of stories that basically copy Battle Royale but everyone pretends they don't because they're 'popular'.
And yeah, women can be evil to each other. Perhaps more so than guys in some ways. But it would be better to rewrite the story completely to follow how women would terrorise each other, rather than trying to utilise an existing framework. They would terrorise other women in different ways to the guys and the way they bully Piggy.
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I enjoyed LOTF when I read it (high school), lol. Ordinary people can become awful people so fast, it doesn't take much. Just look at the Stanford Prison Experiment. LOTF isn't a pleasant book, it's a disturbing book. But it's honest.
Speaking of the pig, though, one of the reasons it doesn't work with girls is that the scene where they kill the pig is written to mimic a sexual assault. (To be clear: I am not saying the characters sexually assault the pig. I'm saying that the word-choice of the attack is meant to evoke sexual assault.)
I think the movie industry is slowly realizing that women can be interesting characters to, AS characters (instead of "the hot scientist who is really there to become the lead's girlfriend" or "starring Megyn Fox's butt".) I agree that some movies are clumsy about it, but I also think it will lead to better movies in the long run.